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Hy guys,
I've been reading on that thread for few days and one question raised in my head.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790984
And that post
forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8299301&postcount=18
If I buy an International (European or other version) of the Galaxy I9000 that doesn't support frequencies HSPA 850MHz from scratch, do you think it has the same hardware as the Bell Canada one ans that it's just the firmware that enable or disable those frequencies?
If so, it may be interresting to try flashing one Internal version of the I9000 with the CSC and Phone file from firmware UGJH2 and see if it enable the 850MHz HSPA frequency.
If that work, that means that International and/or European unlocked I9000 phone are exactly same hardware and that, We could buy them and use them with Bell and other providers in Canada instead of buying a Bell one.
short answer no
it has been tested and re-tested by several people already
it doesn't work
but feel free to try if you have the time and money to spare
if you want the I9000M (3g 850/1900/2100) you can get it off ebay if you don't care about the 3 button issue, but if you do care about the 3 button thing, you can ping me
Wow thanks alot AllGamer for the quick reply. Sorry if that thread is a double post because I haven't seen one talking about this specifically. I've seen alot about the 850Mhz lost after flashing firmware thow...
So if I understand it correctly... the only option we have is to buy a I9000M from Bell and do the 3 buttons fix from that thread in order to be able to unlock and upgrade...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784704
I still don't get why those big compagnies does different hardware versions of the same phone for different regions.... that must cost more money...lol
P.S. anyone know if Bell allow us to buy that phone full price (499$) without even activating it or we really need to get it activated for a month even at full price???
franckqcc said:
I still don't get why those big compagnies does different hardware versions of the same phone for different regions.... that must cost more money...lol
P.S. anyone know if Bell allow us to buy that phone full price (499$) without even activating it or we really need to get it activated for a month even at full price???
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correct in all counts
yes, it's kinda stupid they have released more than 8 different variants of the same phone, each of them with just minor changes in hardware/software
like with TV, no TV
with Front Camera, no FC
with Upload speed cut off, Full speed upload (USA AT&T)
with Flash, with no Flash
with more storage, with less storage
with keyboard, without keyboard
with these radio bands, without that radio band
with... bah just too many
I have no clue how they keep up with all the different branches of the same tree
re: Bell...
nope, they do have an activation fee when you purchase it, even when you but it off at full price, the total is roughly $650~680 including all the taxes, activation, shipping materials, shipping, packaging, all the other crazy fees the Bell and the government charges
Just by curiosity.. Do you know a version of that phone that work with 850MHz but include the flash for the camera?
That would be nice to have a flash included with it
The flash is on the CDMA Galaxy S for Verizon only. I don't think this device can be unlocked but anyways I don't think you would want a CDMA smartphone in Canada.
he can always hook it up to Telus or Bell, both runs on CDMA
but you are right CDMA kinda sucks, you can't travel to Europe or most other countries with it.
Yep and since CDMA is way slower than HSPA, that would be useless....the only time we use CDMA is in the regions where HSPA isn't working...
Thanks all for your reply
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he can always hook it up to Telus or Bell, both runs on CDMA
but you are right CDMA kinda sucks, you can't travel to Europe or most other countries with it.
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Bell or Telus will not allow anyone to hook up another carriers CDMA phone. This is NOT an option.
In relation to this same question somewhat...What about a hardware transplant from a Bell Vibrant to a European i9000?
Does anyone know what radio chipset the Bell Vibrant uses and what radio chipset the European i9000 uses? I've seen two different radio chipsets for the i9000, one from Qualcomm and one from Triquint:
Qualcomm RTR8265: (Maybe the Korean i9000?)
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
Triquint TQM6M26028L: (Maybe the Singapore and European i9000?)
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/19/samsung-galaxy-s-teardown/
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
http://www.careace.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/galaxy-s-disassembly-28.jpg
Unless I'm reading all 3 disassembly wrong, they have conflicting info in regards to the radio being used. Maybe the radio chipset being used is dependent on the region where the i9000 is from? Can any one confirm? I plan on purchasing an international i9000 to replace my bricked i9000M and would like to see if I could transplant certain parts to see if I could get the 850 MHz via hardware. I plan to disassemble my bricked Bell Vibrant once my toolkit comes in and take some pictures so maybe it'll be of help to people in the future.
Electroz said:
Bell or Telus will not allow anyone to hook up another carriers CDMA phone. This is NOT an option.
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not sure where you got that from but i worked for Telus and we hooked up quite a bunch of USA verizon/sprint CDMA phones online.
we used to do a IMEI check first to make sure it was not blacklisted before signing them up for a plan with their phone
is there an easy way to find this out without taking apart the phone?
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In relation to this same question somewhat...What about a hardware transplant from a Bell Vibrant to a European i9000?
Does anyone know what radio chipset the Bell Vibrant uses and what radio chipset the European i9000 uses? I've seen two different radio chipsets for the i9000, one from Qualcomm and one from Triquint:
Qualcomm RTR8265: (Maybe the Korean i9000?)
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
Triquint TQM6M26028L: (Maybe the Singapore and European i9000?)
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/19/samsung-galaxy-s-teardown/
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
http://www.careace.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/galaxy-s-disassembly-28.jpg
Unless I'm reading all 3 disassembly wrong, they have conflicting info in regards to the radio being used. Maybe the radio chipset being used is dependent on the region where the i9000 is from? Can any one confirm? I plan on purchasing an international i9000 to replace my bricked i9000M and would like to see if I could transplant certain parts to see if I could get the 850 MHz via hardware. I plan to disassemble my bricked Bell Vibrant once my toolkit comes in and take some pictures so maybe it'll be of help to people in the future.
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AllGamer said:
not sure where you got that from but i worked for Telus and we hooked up quite a bunch of USA verizon/sprint CDMA phones online.
we used to do a IMEI check first to make sure it was not blacklisted before signing them up for a plan with their phone
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Thats pretty weird then. CDMA phones don't even have an IMEI. That is a gsm/hsdpa specific number.....
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you said IMEI people will understand what it is
you tell them ESN they will be like "wuuaaat number?"
cust: "my old number before DC?"
me: NO
Your number under the battery compartment or box that came in...
cust: "wuaaat? where?"
me: ohh... never mind, just give me the phone
cust: "here"
me: where's the sticker?
cust: "i peeled it, it didn't look good" (that happened once)
another time was
me: where's the sticker?, it's all smudged & worn out!
cust: "i dunno"...
needless to say both cases were denied, no IMEI/ESN can't register them
a couple of times we did get some black listed ESN from verizon/sprint, also denied on those cases
most of the time they are okay, and can easily be joined to the network, the only trouble was finding the re-programing instruction for those Odd phones as we knew by memory the models we sold, but anything weird will take some times.
we always charged extra for that.
Okay so quick update and something quite interesting. I'm disassembling my Vibrant right now and the piece where the antenna connects is labeled i9000T. More to come in a new thread.
dawgpound6985 said:
Okay so quick update and something quite interesting. I'm disassembling my Vibrant right now and the piece where the antenna connects is labeled i9000T. More to come in a new thread.
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ohhhhhhhh wow! so we got a Latin America model inside?!
AllGamer said:
ohhhhhhhh wow! so we got a Latin America model inside?!
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Seems to be one part. Check out the pictures here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8395614#post8395614
<farnsworth> Good news everybody! </farnsworth> I have the european i9000 (900/1900/2100) which I bought unlocked in New York City and have been using (with 3g/HSPA) on AT&T.
When I came home to canada, I got a bell sim card (as I have a bell plan, previously with a CDMA phone). When I started the phone, all I was getting was voice, and I was very dissapointed.
I decided to see if Rogers or Tellus would work (as somebody told me they use 1900 more than 850), and when the rogers guy tried his sim, it was the same story. THEN he figured out that for this phone, you have to manually enter the APN info for the canadian carrier. He tried it on my phone, and I started picking up EDGE.
I immediately called bell tech support for the same info, and they refered me to the website. I entered the bell APN info in the settings menu and I now have HSPA on bell in Canada on my european i9000! Spread the word!
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<farnsworth> Good news everybody! </farnsworth> I have the european i9000 (900/1900/2100) which I bought unlocked in New York City and have been using (with 3g/HSPA) on AT&T.
When I came home to canada, I got a bell sim card (as I have a bell plan, previously with a CDMA phone). When I started the phone, all I was getting was voice, and I was very dissapointed.
I decided to see if Rogers or Tellus would work (as somebody told me they use 1900 more than 850), and when the rogers guy tried his sim, it was the same story. THEN he figured out that for this phone, you have to manually enter the APN info for the canadian carrier. He tried it on my phone, and I started picking up EDGE.
I immediately called bell tech support for the same info, and they refered me to the website. I entered the bell APN info in the settings menu and I now have HSPA on bell in Canada on my european i9000! Spread the word!
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Go outside of a large metropolitan area and report back. Or maybe you could even try reading this thread....
Hi Everyone,
I've been reading the reviews and specs for the MI5 Pro and am considering purchasing one. GSM/CDMA support, 128Gb Storage, etc. sounds great to me.
My plan is to have something with an unlocked BL so I can root, TWRP, and AOSP it just the way I want it.
Before I do how much of a pain will it be to getting working on Verizon's 4G/LTE networks? If I understand what I am reading correctly it supports all the frequency bands on Big Red. Any thoughts? Comments and suggestions are requested on this.
Thanks in Advance
I should also add this is not for the BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) program. I have a monthly plan and am up for a new device but don't want what they offer.
I highly doubt you'll be able to get it to work on Verizon. Even unlocking GSM bands is a pain.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
FernBch said:
VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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I don't specifically know about verizon, but our local CDMA carriers do work with the Mi5.
Cdma carriers the us only allows approved devices.
No hope.
FernBch said:
VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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You can be the guniea pig and try it out but your chances of getting it to work on Verizon are slim to none.
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The more I research this the more dim the results look. It seems that the problem with bringing it to a CDMA network is lack of 4G functionality. Definitely a deal breaker for sure......
Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
Duwenbasden said:
Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
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I knew that was how they were in the past but I thought maybe they loosened up on it. They now have a Bring Your Own Device program. Still doesn't get past getting 4G working flawlessly on CDMA.
I need to look deeper at GSM carriers in the US. Coverage in my area is important for work.
I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
Thanks DFSPCC, I was wondering the same thing and having it listed to work with VZN in the US on willmyphonework.net up to 3G speeds, which is fine by me. Considering the low price at the moment for the Mi5, I think is a great option.
Never to late
I'm considering on getting this phone... 5.7 inch with OK specs to work with Verizon only thing is you said 3g but that's OK its just to play and test hopefully I can root it... Don't knkw if they have any Roms for it..... Ive been HTC for over 10 yrs and they have let me down been waiting for a 5.7 or bigger... The max was nice but bad specs realy slow so.... I was going to do the s8 plus but now I see the U12 coming soon. But i don't know if Verizon will carry it... They don't carry the U11 don't know why.... What do you think? And thanks again for your time and help god bless....
DFSPCC said:
I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
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Hey there fellas! I recently purchased an international Galaxy Note 8 to use on AT&T here in the U.S. Everything appears to work fine except the speed of my network. Normally in this area I would be getting LTE speeds around 30-40 up and down. With the Note 8 is displays H+ (which I understand to be LTE, but I may be wrong) and I get around 5-7 down and often less than 1mbps up. Some have suggested setting the preferred network time to LTE/UMTS auto (PRL) which was already selected on my device. Is there anything else I can do to get the proper speeds? Thanks!
SacrificedWalrus said:
Hey there fellas! I recently purchased an international Galaxy Note 8 to use on AT&T Thanks!
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On all of my international versions H+ was 3G and 4G was LTE. Depending on the area with 4G I would get 20 - 50 megs down on AT&T. On my 950U1 my settings under #*#*4636*#*# I have TD-SCDMA/CDMA/UMTS selected by default and mine shows LTE and depending on the area up to 100 megs down.
H+ is 3G, or 3.5G for some carriers
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On all of my international versions H+ was 3G and 4G was LTE. Depending on the area with 4G I would get 20 - 50 megs down on AT&T. On my 950U1 my settings under #*#*4636*#*# I have TD-SCDMA/CDMA/UMTS selected by default and mine shows LTE and depending on the area up to 100 megs down.
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Ah, that would explain why my speeds are so slow. Thank you for clearing that up. I attempted to select TD-SCDMA/CDMA/UMTS as my preferred network mode but for whatever reason it will not apply. When I reopen that settings menu it goes back to whatever option was selected prior to that. Do you think it could have something to do with the selected APN? I have ATT Phone as my current APN, but at the store they were trying to use ATT Nextgenphone, which didn't work.
SacrificedWalrus said:
but at the store they were trying to use ATT Nextgenphone, which didn't work.
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I would do all I could to get the Nextgenphone APN working. It is what I used on all my international phones.
Took the Note 8 into the AT&T store today and swapped out the sim card without any luck. As usual they couldn't provide any help beyond that. I also I can't select TD-SCDMA/CDMA/UMTS as my preferred network type for some reason. I contacted the person I bought the phone from and they claimed they used it on Verizon's LTE network without an issue. Very strange.
CodeNameRedNeck said:
I would do all I could to get the Nextgenphone APN working. It is what I used on all my international phones.
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Would you mind sharing what your CSC on your Note 8 is? I might end up flashing whatever firmware your phone is using, as mine is currently running a firmware for French phones. Not sure if thats the issue, but its possible.
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Would you mind sharing what your CSC on your Note 8 is?
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When your look for the firmware look for 950U1 for AT&T. I would look around for a thread on flashing other regions first just to be safe.
CodeNameRedNeck said:
When your look for the firmware look for 950U1 for AT&T. I would look around for a thread on flashing other regions first just to be safe.
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I may be totally off here, but wouldn't that be an issue as the AT&T variant uses a Snapdragon SoC, while my device uses Exynos? Another concern for me would the ability to root as well, which is one of the reasons I decided not to buy an AT&T branded phone. Thanks for your help so far man, I appreciate it!
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I may be totally off here, but wouldn't that be an issue as the AT&T variant uses a Snapdragon SoC, while my device uses Exynos? Another concern for me would the ability to root as well, which is one of the reasons I decided not to buy an AT&T branded phone. Thanks for your help so far man, I appreciate it!
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You are right. There is no AT&T firmware for your phone. Unless they changed something with the Note8 you should still be able to get 4G. I did with my international Note4, Note5, and Xperia Z5 Premium models. My son is using the Note5 with an Exynos processor and gets 4G speeds comparable to LTE speeds in the area.
Had this problem as well way back when I first got my 950F.
There are solutions. But you would need one of 2 things.
1. Get At&t to add your IMEI# TO their database so that they can provision your phone correctly.
2. Get another At&t branded phone's IMEI# that is LTE COMPATIBLE. and call them to provision you phone with that #.
My phone is getting full LTE speeds and VOLTE.
But I had them put in the IMEI# of my older Note 5!( which my wife is currently using)...
Hope this helps.
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Had this problem as well way back when I first got my 950F.
There are solutions. But you would need one of 2 things.
1. Get At&t to add your IMEI# TO their database so that they can provision your phone correctly.
2. Get another At&t branded phone's IMEI# that is LTE COMPATIBLE. and call them to provision you phone with that #.
My phone is getting full LTE speeds and VOLTE.
But I had them put in the IMEI# of my older Note 5!( which my wife is currently using)...
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply. I called ATT and gave them your suggestion and they claimed that it would not work. They said provisioning my new phone with an IMEI of a different phone would be temporary up to 2-3 weeks. Have you encountered this issue? I'm assuming not, so I'm curious as to how long you've had this fixed. Thanks again man
LouK said:
Had this problem as well way back when I first got my 950F.
There are solutions. But you would need one of 2 things.
1. Get At&t to add your IMEI# TO their database so that they can provision your phone correctly.
2. Get another At&t branded phone's IMEI# that is LTE COMPATIBLE. and call them to provision you phone with that #.
My phone is getting full LTE speeds and VOLTE.
But I had them put in the IMEI# of my older Note 5!( which my wife is currently using)...
Hope this helps.
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^^ this. ATT LTE won't work unless the IMEI is provisioned .
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SacrificedWalrus said:
Thanks for the reply. I called ATT and gave them your suggestion and they claimed that it would not work. They said provisioning my new phone with an IMEI of a different phone would be temporary up to 2-3 weeks. Have you encountered this issue? I'm assuming not, so I'm curious as to how long you've had this fixed. Thanks again man
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I'v been using my N8 since it came out with my old N5 imei#
As I said be4 basically 4g LTE. &VoLTE Works.
Wifi calling etc.. no.
AND my wife is using the N5 so basically we have two phones on same account with same imei#!
There seem to be very slight radio differences. I don't know enough to know if buying the generic unlocked version will hinder my usage on T-Mobile. T-Mobile doesn't seem to be offering it for sale anymore. Is there a reason I might want the Exynos version in the U.S. if I don't travel? Any help would be appreciated.
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There seem to be very slight radio differences. I don't know enough to know if buying the generic unlocked version will hinder my usage on T-Mobile. T-Mobile doesn't seem to be offering it for sale anymore. Is there a reason I might want the Exynos version in the U.S. if I don't travel? Any help would be appreciated.
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All of the N960U and N960U1 devices are exactly the same. Literally.??
To use any of them on Tmobile and get the full tmobile features, just flash the T-Mobile version of the software for the N960U and you'll be good to go.
You can use the Exynos version but I am not sure if any of T-mobile's features would be hindered. Tekhd has a Detonator rom for the Exynos version to get it to run on Tmobile. I am assuming it will enable all Tmobile features. ??
no. every snapdragon galaxy device has the same hardware. If you buy a U version and you want it to be a T version, all you need is a computer, usb cable, drivers installed, Odin, some bubblegum to chew once youre done kicking ass, a keyboard, monitor and a mouse. Flash the T-Mob firmware, reboot and prepare to unwrap that bubblegum and the ass kicking will soon commence.
if you want root, get the xynos version, but if youre using GSM strictly, you wont notice a difference between the functionality of the F and U versions
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no. every snapdragon galaxy device has the same hardware. If you buy a U version and you want it to be a T version, all you need is a computer, usb cable, drivers installed, Odin, some bubblegum to chew once youre done kicking ass, a keyboard, monitor and a mouse. Flash the T-Mob firmware, reboot and prepare to unwrap that bubblegum and the ass kicking will soon commence.
if you want root, get the xynos version, but if youre using GSM strictly, you wont notice a difference between the functionality of the F and U versions
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Thats not exactly the case. The n960w (Canadian) has different cell band support than the n960u or n960u1. A slight hardware variation. I'm not entirely sure if you can convert a n960w to a n960u, but if you could, there would be missing or incompatible cellular bands. The phone would work, just not as well as a region specific device would.
I don't think so. If you are purchasing the US unlocked variant of the Note 9, you should be able to use it with any US cell provider. However you may have to take your device to a high street retail store and let them config some of the settings.
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Thats not exactly the case. The n960w (Canadian) has different cell band support than the n960u or n960u1. A slight hardware variation. I'm not entirely sure if you can convert a n960w to a n960u, but if you could, there would be missing or incompatible cellular bands. The phone would work, just not as well as a region specific device would.
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oh? do tell
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oh? do tell
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Here, I'll tell.
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-sm-n960-model-number-differences/
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Here, I'll tell.
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-sm-n960-model-number-differences/
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you should note the 2G and 3G bands being identical, or at least nearly and the screenshot you showed is suggesting these bands for LTE B38 – 2600 B39 – 1900 B40 – 2300 B41 – 2500
which are covered in the G960U portion of your screenshot
i dont see a compatibility issue here
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i dont see a compatibility issue here
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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dude.... rogers is a GSM provider. 3G-SCDMA is utterly irrelevant
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3g-scdma are completely different, n960u is missing 4g fdd band 2600, n960w is missing 4g tdd band 2100.
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also, missing 2 LTE bands isnt a big deal. Let alone the fact that there likely isnt any actual difference anyways. Do you know anyone with a N960U? Id gladly put your Rogers card in my phone if i was able.
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dude.... rogers is a GSM provider. 3G-SCDMA is utterly irrelevant
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Short sighted much? Sprint and Verizon are both cdma carriers. So if anyone in the us on those carriers bought a n960w using your advice they would be lacking in cellular connection in some areas.
Not only that but you also completely ignored the 4g differences as well. Don't go around spreading false information like that. Just because it's snapdragon based doesn't mean they're the same.
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also, missing 2 LTE bands isnt a big deal. Let alone the fact that there likely isnt any actual difference anyways. Do you know anyone with a N960U? Id gladly put your Rogers card in my phone if i was able.
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Missing all the 3g-scdma and a few 4g bands would make quite a big difference, given that different 4g lte bands serve different purposes.
It goes to show that just because they are snapdragon based doesn't mean they are the same all I've done is prove my point that there are slight cellular band differences. Proved you wrong, deal with it and stop saying that all snapdragon note 9's are the same. You're wrong. All the n960u and n960u1's are the same but that's it.
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Short sighted much? Sprint and Verizon are both cdma carriers. So if anyone in the us on those carriers bought a n960w using your advice they would be lacking in cellular connection in some areas.
Not only that but you also completely ignored the 4g differences as well. Don't go around spreading false information like that. Just because it's snapdragon based doesn't mean they're the same.
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Missing all the 3g-scdma and a few 4g bands would make quite a big difference, given that different 4g lte bands serve different purposes.
It goes to show that just because they are snapdragon based doesn't mean they are the same all I've done is prove my point that there are slight cellular band differences. Proved you wrong, deal with it and stop saying that all snapdragon note 9's are the same. You're wrong. All the n960u and n960u1's are the same but that's it.
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this is hysterical.... ok dude.... theyre different because you say so. Oh, did you know that the single sim phones are also the same as the dual sim?
samsung made a very concerted effort to consolidate all of their physical models starting with the S8.
When canada came-a-callin, they must have changed their entire business model regarding the building of phones and the countries respective CSC's and threw them all out the window. So yes, let the poor suckers who took the advice of myself and many others suffer the consequences and wrath of having "the wrong phone".
Get a 960U and a 960W, put the sim card in each of them, prove that youre right or wrong, post up your findings and we can go from there. Until then, we have to base what we do on what we know. Techwalls says they dont share the same band connectivity, samsung says that theyre all the same. Do with that information what you will. Good day sir.
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this is hysterical.... ok dude.... theyre different because you say so. Oh, did you know that the single sim phones are also the same as the dual sim?
samsung made a very concerted effort to consolidate all of their physical models starting with the S8.
When canada came-a-callin, they must have changed their entire business model regarding the building of phones and the countries respective CSC's and threw them all out the window. So yes, let the poor suckers who took the advice of myself and many others suffer the consequences and wrath of having "the wrong phone".
Get a 960U and a 960W, put the sim card in each of them, prove that youre right or wrong, post up your findings and we can go from there. Until then, we have to base what we do on what we know. Techwalls says they dont share the same band connectivity, samsung says that theyre all the same. Do with that information what you will. Good day sir.
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You are right, this is hysterical. Why do you think inserting a different Sim would tell us if the bands are available or not? It wouldn't. It's even funnier because your source wasn't Samsung. Do you have a link from Samsung showing all the bands being the same? I'd like to really see that one because currently you're wrong.
I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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You are right, this is hysterical. Why do you think inserting a different Sim would tell us if the bands are available or not? It wouldn't. It's even funnier because your source wasn't Samsung. Do you have a link from Samsung showing all the bands being the same? I'd like to really see that one because currently you're wrong.
I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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omfg dude... the xynos F variants and the snapdragon (too many letters to bother listing) arent the same. The statement i made about them all being the same was assuming that you could go ahead with the already understood part of this discourse which is that we are discussing American continent versions. If youd like we could also discuss the Chinese versions that have snapdragon processors but are rootable. Thats not likely a rabbit hole you want to go down. I even just got off a chat with a rogers cellular tech who said that they are all the same phone. Every samsung s series or note series phone that was built for the americas are all the same hardware.
youre still wrong and youre fighting like hell to defend your losing position
oh, and for the info from samsung.....
i sold samsung phones at the end of the S7 lifespan and thru the S8 and S9s debuts. We got TONS of technical data on them at the time. Yes i perused the materials because it was such an unprecedented change in samsung phone lineup for the previous 7 iterations. FFS, ive flashed the G960F firmware on my G960U. Currently Running the G960U1.
And yes, putting your card in my phone and running a Cellular utility will tell you ABSOLUTELY what bands its using. Give up dude... Go read some more. Go to a cellular store and ask for the technical releases. THEYRE THE SAME PHONE
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I'd really like to see how you're going to explain how the n960f and the n960u are the same phone?! do tell us how a exynos based phone and a Snapdragon Basedphone are the same thing hardware wise?!?!?! Not even talking about cell radios at that point, just the chipset itself?
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just because this is fun shutting you down. I did get my information from Samsung. I even got some demo models of the S7 and S7 edge from my local Samsung rep. I talked with him a lot. I sent him away to speak with his contacts in Korea about technical issues we encountered with various Sammy devices a few times for that matter.
Ive grabbed at&t S8s and activated them on Verizon. Theyre literally all the same. Im even beginning to think that the firmware is like windows. Every ISO of windows has every version built in to it, its just been bottlenecked to only allow installs of a certain version. Id be willing to entertain the thought of the firmwares doing the same thing. I say this because ive seen apps magically appear that were verizon specific on at&t phones when activated even before having data working or wifi
@troll and Doofus. You're both making schoolboy mistakes when attempting to compare radios on the W and U models.
Get the radio information from Samsung USA website and Samsung CA website then post your screenshots.
Besides, we all already know what F and W stands for in these models.[emoji1787]
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@troll and Doofus. You're both making schoolboy mistakes when attempting to compare radios on the W and U models
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um... no? i am, and have been, keenly aware of the heat issues that samsung has faced over the years of developing their own processor line and having CDMA radios in those devices. Try again pal....
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Get the radio information from Samsung USA website and Samsung CA website then post your screenshots.
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have you even looked for those on the website you recommended for yourself? Have you found them? are they even there? does it even matter since they are literally the exact same phone if they both have the snapdragon processor?
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Besides, we all already know what F and W stands for in these models. [emoji1787]
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apparently not, hence why this discourse has even happened in the first place.....
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um... no? i am, and have been, keenly aware of the heat issues that samsung has faced over the years of developing their own processor line and having CDMA radios in those devices. Try again pal....
have you even looked for those on the website you recommended for yourself? Have you found them? are they even there? does it even matter since they are literally the exact same phone if they both have the snapdragon processor?
apparently not, hence why this discourse has even happened in the first place.....
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I'll say it again. Use Samsung official regional websites to attain accurate radio/band information.
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I'll say it again. Use Samsung official regional websites to attain accurate radio/band information.
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from the guy complaining about not posting screenshots from samsung directly, its ironic that you havent posted them either.
oh, and yeah.... gsmarena is a non reputable site, i can see your reticence in accepting what they say as having any truth to it....
Long time lurker, first time poster here. First of all, a massive THANK YOU to everyone here. You guys and gals are Awesome! <3
So, I bought a Samsung S10 (SM-G973F/DS) on Ebay recently and flashed it to Lineage OS 19.1. All was fine until I tried to activate it. We did everything...manually changing the ASP settings, and a bunch of other stuff to try and get this thing to connect to the mobile network. Even placed the SIM card in another phone just to confirm the SIM card was fine, which it was.
Long story short, I think the device was perhaps locked even though the seller claimed it was unlocked. Whatever, I'm over it. I flashed stock back on it and re-locked the boot loader, sent it back. Not worth the aggravation. However, I am questioning if there wasn't something else I could have done?
I was trying to activate the S10 on Mint Mobile USA (a T-Mobile reseller, so GSM) it should have been fine. The default language on the device was German. I don't think that should matter, but maybe it does? Do European phones have problems activating in North America?
My question is: If I decide to get another S10 (SM-G973F/DS) from the secondary market (if its even worth it at this point, since the SM-G973F/DS is really hard to find), is there anything I can find out from the seller first so I don't end up having to send it back?
Or, should I just give up my dream of having an S10 installed with Lineage OS and it's glorious headphone jack and expandable storage forever? If so, are there any worthy alternatives to the S10 worth considering, given my affinity for headphone jacks and expandable storage?
Hello PhonePerfection, all a novel why you speak S10 G973F / DS in the United States.
Already your model S10 G973F/DS exynos 5G or the first 4G model so if these this Europe chip model, if now installed Samsung phone info look at who is scoring at worst take screenshots.
I don't understand your question United States, locked unlocked the seller.
You buy in the back market refurbished and unlocked telephone all operator therefore for sim card, the concern these the chip to install network either US or ASIA controls your model if these good SM-G973F/DS and not SM-G973U or G973U1.
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I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...m-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/compsomethingatibility/RdEkS7k/samsung-sm-g973f-ds-galaxy-s10-global-dual-sim-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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schwinn8 said:
I think what @meric57 is trying to say is that your phone doesn't have the right chips to communicate on the frequencies in the USA. It's made for other markets and other frequencies... so it won't work here.
If you use FrequencyCheck you can see what carriers support what frequencies on your specific model: https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...m-td-lte-512gb-samsung-beyond-1/united-states
Scroll down to the "United States" area and you'll see it doesn't support the frequencies used in the USA (except for GSM 2.5, which is old and dead here in the USA). The US is primarily on LTE... and you can see that phone model doesn't support ANY of the available frequencies.
Bottom line "GSM" doesn't tell you enough. You have an incomatible phone model for the USA market. No SIM card will fix that.
Note, in SOME cases, you can activate other frequencies by loading different ROMs into the phone. My old LG V30 did this, for example. I have heard that you can run some Exynos phones here in the USA, but I don't know the details to help. FrequencyCheck may help you figure that out. Be sure the look for the complete model number, not just "Galaxy S10" or something... the naming is worthless for figuring this out.
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Hey, this is great info. Good to know. It looks like that S10 could only communicate on 1 of 8 bands used by Mint/T-Mobile. That 1 usable band appears to have been deprecated by T-Mobile as it is. I think that explains it perfectly. Thank You!
You're welcome.
Yeah, frequencies/bands are very important to watch, particularly if you're buying out of market devices. You have to know model numbers and carriers to be sure of anything, and unfortunately this info is relatively hidden.
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You're welcome.
Yeah, frequencies/bands are very important to watch, particularly if you're buying out of market devices. You have to know model numbers and carriers to be sure of anything, and unfortunately this info is relatively hidden.
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The CSC on that device was DBT (Germany). I had to find that out in order to put the correct stock OS back on there.
Makes me wonder if the ebay seller even knows this. They appear to specialize in mobile phones with tens of thousands of transactions, so I would hope they've encountered this situation before. They were more than happy to accept a return on the device. Sent me a prepaid shipping label immediately.
Back to the CSC... Let's say I look for another S10 (SM-G973F/DS) but I ask what the CSC is for that device. Are there any regions outside the lower 48 states with reasonably good chances of it working? I suppose I would need to study the mobile frequency website for the answer to that.
I did some quick searching, and supposedly there are websites that say the 973F/DS will work on MM (mint mobile)... but they don't detail how. For example: https://de-googled.com/blogs/news/a-word-on-network-compatibility-of-our-degoogled-phones
and https://www.ebay.com/p/15030406771 (in the description).
So, maybe it is possible? I don't know, so maybe someone else can chime in.
Personally, I stuck with U-version phones and gave up rooting/romming. It's just getting too hard to find phones that offer this, so I figured I'd just adapt back to a stock ROM, since choices are limited. I had done a bunch of that in the past, but I found that stock roms (today) are pretty good... and allow enough customization that made root/rom unnecessary... for me. My current is an SM-G975U1 (unlocked, USA, Snapdragon S10+) on Total Wireless (VZ MVNO)... it works great and I don't miss root/rom at all.
Rumor is that the Galaxy S23 will only be offered as Snapdragon, so maybe that will open up more options... but I doubt it. Samsung loves it's Knox system, and will likely lock down the phone even more with every generation.
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I did some quick searching, and supposedly there are websites that say the 973F/DS will work on MM (mint mobile)... but they don't detail how. For example: https://de-googled.com/blogs/news/a-word-on-network-compatibility-of-our-degoogled-phones
and https://www.ebay.com/p/15030406771 (in the description).
So, maybe it is possible? I don't know, so maybe someone else can chime in.
Personally, I stuck with U-version phones and gave up rooting/romming. It's just getting too hard to find phones that offer this, so I figured I'd just adapt back to a stock ROM, since choices are limited. I had done a bunch of that in the past, but I found that stock roms (today) are pretty good... and allow enough customization that made root/rom unnecessary... for me. My current is an SM-G975U1 (unlocked, USA, Snapdragon S10+) on Total Wireless (VZ MVNO)... it works great and I don't miss root/rom at all.
Rumor is that the Galaxy S23 will only be offered as Snapdragon, so maybe that will open up more options... but I doubt it. Samsung loves it's Knox system, and will likely lock down the phone even more with every generation.
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Thanks for the link. I think I may try for an S10 again if the seller can tell me what the CSC is. That page on De-googled.com affirms that American devices are more restrictive than their European counterparts.
It just doesn't make any sense to me personally to use a device with an open source OS that has loads of telemetry, spyware, bloat, etc. Which is a contradiction that I am not comfortable with. It's like installing a Linux distro that comes bundled with Facebook.
To me, being proactive about privacy is the equivalent to standing up for yourself in the real world. Sure, you can use a stock ROM and there is nothing wrong with that. It's having the freedom to choose which is most important. So long as that choice is available, I will happily go that route.
I like the added bonus of an Android device that seems faster with a longer lasting battery as well. I mean, I paid for this device. I should have the right to decide what apps are running on it.
No argument there... I agree with why we should be allowed to root/rom. Unfortunately, the carriers pull the strings in the USA (business over people) so we are losing options. Frankly, it pisses me off that they can still prevent phones from connecting to their network just because the IMEI doesn't match (even if the software is correct). In the end, if the device CAN work on the network, the carrier should have no say in allowing/disallowing it on the network. They like to claim that a "bad" device could "hurt" the network, but if that happens, they can lock out that phone and figure it out. I doubt that's even ever happened, but whatever. (They prevented me from using my already-working V30 US998 phone on the network, even though it ran as VS996 with no issues for years... they only later saw the IMEI wasn't "theirs" (original SIM card failed) so they prevented me from re-registering it. So stupid.)
Good luck, and let us know if you figure it out... I'm always curious to learn!
yes, most japan and europe phones do not have the correct radios channels in them for 4g and 5g. i ran into this same problem with my xperia phones that i bought overseas. this is a common problem that can happen.
The S10 and all it's variants is a world compatible GSM phone. So yes, the F variant should work with most GSM carriers and resellers in N. America.
There are various websites that will tell you what frequencies and carriers any particular model will work with if you do a search. Like this one.
WillMyPhoneWork.net - Check if your phone works on a network
Check 2G, 3G, and 4G LTE Network Frequency Compatibility for a Smartphone, Tablet, and Mobile Device in any Country and Mobile Network Carrier
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According to that site the SM-G973F/DS supports all 2G, 3G, and 4G frequencies used by Mint.