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What really is up with Android phone and their battery life. This been bugging me for like forever and its 4:00 AM and i have to post.
Like my sister had s7 edge and just the general messenger apps IG, WhatsApp, telegram & Weechat. Rest are game for toddler. But all the time the phone been with her, her average SOT is like four hours and the BATTERY KEEPS ON DRAINING on Wi-Fi or Data and NEVER flats out. It only does when in airplane mode. Before you guys days uninstall the games, in the battery usage graph same with GSAMbattery, Android system is like up all the time. So it has to do with Android OS.
is Android really just like this? Do iPhones person better?
I have EXACTLY the same issue with my nexus 6 rooted. When my wifi is up, none stop drain and BBS doesn't show any unusual activity.
What going on guys?

y300owner said:
What really is up with Android phone and their battery life. This been bugging me for like forever and its 4:00 AM and i have to post.
Like my sister had s7 edge and just the general messenger apps IG, WhatsApp, telegram & Weechat. Rest are game for toddler. But all the time the phone been with her, her average SOT is like four hours and the BATTERY KEEPS ON DRAINING on Wi-Fi or Data and NEVER flats out. It only does when in airplane mode. Before you guys days uninstall the games, in the battery usage graph same with GSAMbattery, Android system is like up all the time. So it has to do with Android OS.
is Android really just like this? Do iPhones person better?
I have EXACTLY the same issue with my nexus 6 rooted. When my wifi is up, none stop drain and BBS doesn't show any unusual activity.
What going on guys?
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With 4 hours screen on time that is about what you can expect. Mainly when using things like weechat which is notorious for uploading all it data over and over again to its servers in China. Then you have whatsapp which is done by facebook which are known for some of the worst coded apps for battery drain in the market.
Your biggest issue is the screen on time. $ hours is a bit ruff on a device. As the screen is the biggest thing to take up battery. Unlike the iphone which uses a less intense screen due to its lower quality res.

y300owner said:
What really is up with Android phone and their battery life. This been bugging me for like forever and its 4:00 AM and i have to post.
Like my sister had s7 edge and just the general messenger apps IG, WhatsApp, telegram & Weechat. Rest are game for toddler. But all the time the phone been with her, her average SOT is like four hours and the BATTERY KEEPS ON DRAINING on Wi-Fi or Data and NEVER flats out. It only does when in airplane mode. Before you guys days uninstall the games, in the battery usage graph same with GSAMbattery, Android system is like up all the time. So it has to do with Android OS.
is Android really just like this? Do iPhones person better?
I have EXACTLY the same issue with my nexus 6 rooted. When my wifi is up, none stop drain and BBS doesn't show any unusual activity.
What going on guys?
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Bro, you should use an iPhone and see! It's much worse than Android. iPhone have less size batteries and you can hardly get through the entire day with one charge according to your usage. Although apple's implementation of background apps optimization is excellent, but still the battery life is less due to small batteries. I feel android is much better in terms of battery.

jayadev01 said:
Bro, you should use an iPhone and see! It's much worse than Android. iPhone have less size batteries and you can hardly get through the entire day with one charge according to your usage. Although apple's implementation of background apps optimization is excellent, but still the battery life is less due to small batteries. I feel android is much better in terms of battery.
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Totally agree.
You can add that android is still an open system which allows you to hard modify the system, apps behavior, etc.. So you can set your device especially for your daily use.
For example, the way I set my 2yo-phone gives me 8 to 10 hours SOT, which is faaaar from any Apple devices autonomy..
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As the screen is the biggest thing to take up battery.
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It's not especially the screen which tumble down the battery energy, not as much as touching it. Which will litterally eat your battery life..
So my question is, can the voice detection+voice commands be less energy-consuming than the touch-sensitive commands ? (while keeping an active detection)

My 1.5 year old nexus 6 on stock april rom 7.1.1 nonrooted has only 2-2.5 hour sot
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indreshpatel88 said:
My 1.5 year old nexus 6 on stock april rom 7.1.1 nonrooted has only 2-2.5 hour sot
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Bro, its time you pull up your socks. Root your phone and enjoy a whole lot of new features and performance. Our's is one of the best development on xda and you have plenty of options to choose from. All The Best. Hope to see you in the threads around!'

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Bro, its time you pull up your socks. Root your phone and enjoy a whole lot of new features and performance. Our's is one of the best development on xda and you have plenty of options to choose from. All The Best. Hope to see you in the threads around!'
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That has nothing to do with it. I get about the same on my device. Running custom rom.
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mesco38 said:
Totally agree.
You can add that android is still an open system which allows you to hard modify the system, apps behavior, etc.. So you can set your device especially for your daily use.
For example, the way I set my 2yo-phone gives me 8 to 10 hours SOT, which is faaaar from any Apple devices autonomy..
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It's not especially the screen which tumble down the battery energy, not as much as touching it. Which will litterally eat your battery life..
So my question is, can the voice detection+voice commands be less energy-consuming than the touch-sensitive commands ? (while keeping an active detection)
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No it's really mostly just the screen being on. You can test this by setting the device screen to never time out and let it sit. You will notice that it kills the battery.

zelendel said:
With 4 hours screen on time that is about what you can expect. Mainly when using things like weechat which is notorious for uploading all it data over and over again to its servers in China. Then you have whatsapp which is done by facebook which are known for some of the worst coded apps for battery drain in the market.
Your biggest issue is the screen on time. $ hours is a bit ruff on a device. As the screen is the biggest thing to take up battery. Unlike the iphone which uses a less intense screen due to its lower quality res.
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If Weechat and Whatsapp were responsible for the drains, why don't they show up on battery usage as top drainers?
It's always Android System

jayadev01 said:
Bro, you should use an iPhone and see! It's much worse than Android. iPhone have less size batteries and you can hardly get through the entire day with one charge according to your usage. Although apple's implementation of background apps optimization is excellent, but still the battery life is less due to small batteries. I feel android is much better in terms of battery.
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Never used Iphone but assumed they have good battery life because of endless praise it gets which is getting old.

y300owner said:
If Weechat and Whatsapp were responsible for the drains, why don't they show up on battery usage as top drainers?
It's always Android System
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That is generic which means apps system api or systems the app uses. Like say the LG tones app. It uses the system BT api and if it drains the battery then all you see is BT at the top.

After years of trial with all sorts of applications to kill apps, battery /juice saves, my ultimate solution on Samsung alpha, 1800amph only battery is conjuction of Greenify, follow up with SD Maid. Alternate day.
Excellent results. I'm rooted.

zelendel said:
That has nothing to do with it. I get about the same on my device. Running custom rom.
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I'd say that you either have a battery that is past it's useful life, or you have some serious wakelocks going on. 2-2.5 hours SOT is awful. I bought my device used 9 months ago and can easily average 6-8 hours SOT over the course of 48 hours on battery (on stock 7.0 unrooted). I'm only now seeing a lower SOT with this current update to Google Play Services. And even now I still get 5-6 hours SOT in 48 hours.

cameraddict said:
I'd say that you either have a battery that is past it's useful life, or you have some serious wakelocks going on. 2-2.5 hours SOT is awful. I bought my device used 9 months ago and can easily average 6-8 hours SOT over the course of 48 hours on battery (on stock 7.0 unrooted). I'm only now seeing a lower SOT with this current update to Google Play Services. And even now I still get 5-6 hours SOT in 48 hours.
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I know the reason for my bad battery life. It's my signal. Signal here is spotty and if you leave town you lose signal all together. So my device spends most of the day looking for a stronger signal. SOT really doesn't mean much to me.

zelendel said:
I know the reason for my bad battery life. It's my signal. Signal here is spotty and if you leave town you lose signal all together. So my device spends most of the day looking for a stronger signal. SOT really doesn't mean much to me.
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Ah yeah, well there is that as well. Have you tried turning off LTE and preffering 3G? I've found that helps in some fringe areas.

cameraddict said:
Ah yeah, well there is that as well. Have you tried turning off LTE and preffering 3G? I've found that helps in some fringe areas.
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Yeah I normally keep late off. It doesn't help really. Signal is just too spotty. You can bounce between 2g,3g and lte in 5 min and never move. Then you have the times when the military blocks all GPS and unless you heard the announcement and turned GPS off that would also kill your battery. Then like I said once you leave town you have no signal for hundreds of miles.

Can somebody explain this?

terry_mccann said:
Can somebody explain this?
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We would need more info before we could really explain it. For starters though it looks like bluetooth is sucking the life out of your battery. Do you have something connected to it currently?
As far as my screen on time goes, im on the pixel rom with no addons and i get 4 hours screen on time

terry_mccann said:
Can somebody explain this?
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Settings -> Google -> instant tethering
Turn everything off.

cameraddict said:
I'd say that you either have a battery that is past it's useful life, or you have some serious wakelocks going on. 2-2.5 hours SOT is awful. I bought my device used 9 months ago and can easily average 6-8 hours SOT over the course of 48 hours on battery (on stock 7.0 unrooted). I'm only now seeing a lower SOT with this current update to Google Play Services. And even now I still get 5-6 hours SOT in 48 hours.
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How is 6-8 hours sot possible over 48 hours? I've tried different kernels, lineage/CyanogenMod, Pure Nexus, greenify, and even tried down clocking the CPU to 1.2 GHz or less at all times (shockingly, in normal use I couldn't tell the difference lol). Never got that much screen on time. I'm not even sure airplane mode would do that. My best was around 45 hours, but with about 3 hours of screen on time. And that was with the phone being less than 3 months old.
Currently I'm on stock Android, and getting 20 hours at best with 3 hours sot. At this point, I will say my battery is shot since it is a year old. But I'd love to see your settings and see if I could get close.

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How is 6-8 hours sot possible over 48 hours? I've tried different kernels, lineage/CyanogenMod, Pure Nexus, greenify, and even tried down clocking the CPU to 1.2 GHz or less at all times (shockingly, in normal use I couldn't tell the difference lol). Never got that much screen on time. I'm not even sure airplane mode would do that. My best was around 45 hours, but with about 3 hours of screen on time. And that was with the phone being less than 3 months old.
Currently I'm on stock Android, and getting 20 hours at best with 3 hours sot. At this point, I will say my battery is shot since it is a year old. But I'd love to see your settings and see if I could get close.
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Here are screenshots of my battery use from March. 3 days with 6.5 hours SOT. I keep my screen at a relative 20% or so (lower at night). I have very strong signal (major city) And I use wifi about 65-70% of the time. I also actively moderate my screen touches (yes, they do indeed matter). I turn off NFC and I don't use BT. I also actively purge misbehaving apps (I refuse to install some, like Facebook) Other than this, I can't really say. Perhaps, I just lucked out and got a cherry of a system (with the exception of my headphone jack not working with mics...Grrr... and my camera's image stabilization Causing blur at certain shutter speeds)

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the OnePlus 5T before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I booked my Oneplus 5t at 21st November and got it in my hands next day.... Thanks to Amazon for awesome and so fast delivery in India..... My 22nd November just passed with copying all the stuff from my old 3T and 23 morning I start my day with my new beast..... Really its beast man.... Lot of whatsapp... Facebook. Chrome.... Little YouTube.... Insta... And installing lots of apps.....here you can see the sot
Edit.. Afterall in first battery cycle 6hr SOT achieved

Here you go

stunning stock kernel sot.

jkyoho said:
stunning stock kernel sot.
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What is stunning? You were charging the phone... Useless info and post...
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ahepas said:
What is stunning? You were charging the phone... Useless info and post...
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Sorry to your 3t SOT jealous. It's stunning from me because that's my own cycle of daily using a phone. Not like someone who can only tell a cycle by 100%--10%

proudly sharing my battery usage statics. During this time I have updated and installed lots of apps with torrents download

jkyoho said:
Sorry to your 3t SOT jealous. It's stunning from me because that's my own cycle of daily using a phone. Not like someone who can only tell a cycle by 100%--10%
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Jealous? Oh my... Anyways, that doesn't change the meaningless post of yours... Play with something else...
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Now had my first Cycle. For that big screen it's more than good. In Comparison to Op5 and Nexus 6p you can see the difference Qhd on Nexus to FullHD on Op5 a day FullHD+ on Op5t. For all the people who want more Resolution inxmy opinion FullHD+ is best choice because it needs less battery and I can not see any Pixels on that great Samsung panels
I got 6 and 51 minutes SOT

24hrs later after first charge from yesterday.
6hrs SOT seems easy target from me. I Will try get some game play for heavy duty test in this weekend.

First full day of use, quite impressed!

I request the OP to edit his first post and tell the users to charge phone till 100% and let it discharge under 10% before posting SOTs without charging in between for the most accurate result.
I had the pleasure of using the OP5 before getting the OP5T and i feel OP5 battery drain was lesser as compared to the T. This is not to say that OP5T has a bad battery life but i was able to get 7.5-8 hrs on OP5 on moderate use with 5-8% remaining. On the T i get around 6-6.5 hrs which is decent. Maybe after a few cycles it might improve.

Awesome battery life guys

Typical usage day, 2.5 hours of YouTube and some video calls, chatting etc. OnePlus 3 I got 3 to 3.5 sot max (freedomOS and bluespark). WiFi and 4G.
I like this, never had even near 6 hours in any phone.

Happy but I think a custom rom will get more.

zeeshanonlyme said:
I request the OP to edit his first post and tell the users to charge phone till 100% and let it discharge under 10% before posting SOTs without charging in between for the most accurate result.
I had the pleasure of using the OP5 before getting the OP5T and i feel OP5 battery drain was lesser as compared to the T. This is not to say that OP5T has a bad battery life but i was able to get 7.5-8 hrs on OP5 on moderate use with 5-8% remaining. On the T i get around 6-6.5 hrs which is decent. Maybe after a few cycles it might improve.
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Easy answer: smaller Screen means less power consumption. Amoled 5.5 inch vs 6
Wait for updates they will improve bugs for more battery life I think.

First full charge and then this, transferred and installed lot of applications,watched a lot of videos.This is pretty amazing,love it

Loving the battery life. This is my first discharge cycle and it's double the sot as my old nexus 5x.

Amazing battery life

After my first charge to 100% this has been my battery life

Screen On Time

Guys, How is the screen on time on P9. I'm getting about 6hrs 15 minutes on SoT on average. What about you guys?

Are you kidding? What is your firmware version and what is your usage pattern? Mixed, gaming, browsing ... Thanks.

Nate91 said:
Are you kidding? What is your firmware version and what is your usage pattern? Mixed, gaming, browsing ... Thanks.
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I'm on EVA-L19C636B393. I generally get about 14-15 hours of use. I keep my brightness at about 25-30% and have it auto when outside. Almost always on WiFi. watch YouTube alot and do a lot of browsing. Play 30-1 hour of gaming per day. Use Reddit alot. I also have installed NAPTIME app even though I'm unrooted.

Im getting better SOT than my nexus 6p

Can someone please do a battery test on Antutu Tester (availible here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.tester ). It can be a short one, and tell me the score. Please, thanks in advance!

4% test
Huawei P9 fast battery test

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Xiaomi Mi Max 3 before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I haven't charged since last night at 11pm and I've used my phone to watch some football over acestream and lots of browsing and social media. I'm down to 33% battery remaining and 8h 30m with the screen on at 8pm the next day. This phone call easily do 10-13 hours screen on time per charge.

time_shock said:
I haven't charged since last night at 11pm and I've used my phone to watch some football over acestream and lots of browsing and social media. I'm down to 33% battery remaining and 8h 30m with the screen on at 8pm the next day. This phone call easily do 10-13 hours screen on time per charge.
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There will be better to come soon for this phone, once the custom ROMs start rolling in.
The Mi Max 2 using the latest Xtended ROM and then tweaked with the Oreo Hardrock kernel is getting 18hrs SOT.
Xiaomi are awesome!!

I'm getting 6hrs and 15 min SOT at 50%, with 24 hrs on the battery , this is with miui eu 8.8.9 rooted , 40% brightness, and clever connectivity turning off wifi and data when screen is off

I'm getting about 13h 20min SOT at home (WiFi turned on, Mobile data turned off). It takes about 59 hours total to go from 100% to 0%. Best battery ever!

Sot screen shot
Not bad

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Not bad
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Hope that you can show us the final result.
But It is impresive.
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I can score about 15-17 hours SoT on normal use.
While Reading ebook on this phablet - even 20-25 hours Screen on time

Mikromama said:
I can score about 15-17 hours SoT on normal use.
While Reading ebook on this phablet - even 20-25 hours Screen on time
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Can you post some proof if that?
Thanks!
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1,5h ebook Reading - 6%

If my calculations are good you will get more the 25 hours SOT....impressive.
Have you some different configuration to the original?

I am in Xiaomi.eu rom 8.8.23 and see that battery drain fast, compared to my old mi max 2 with MIUI 9 global stable

Here are my results with 50% off battery remain.
I think it drain a lot in wait
But is not bad, 5 Hours in 1 day.

Only ebook. Impressive

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Only ebook. Impressive
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Any network activities during that time (2g/3g/wifi on?). What's the overall phone standby time? Also what screen brightness was set?

WiFi on. Standby time.. About 4d 20h. 40% brightness

Mikromama said:
Only ebook. Impressive
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Holy god! 27 hours???
offical rom?

Xiaomi eu

Mikromama said:
Xiaomi eu
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Did you have different results with the official rom?

Jwan said:
Did you have different results with the official rom?
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you should stop caring about that 27 hours SOT. The way you are using your phone will define how many SOT that you have.
He mostly read Ebooks, that result does not surprise me. You could get that SOT as well if you just use your phone to read Ebooks with the medium brightness.

Official OnePlus 7 Pro battery thread

So what kind of battery is everyone getting. First day was getting horrible battery life and then this morning I remembered I never turned off WiFi and Bluetooth scanning. Once I did that battery had seemed to stabilize and seems much better.
When posting battery life please let us know whether your using 1080 P or 2K, and the refresh rate your running at. I'll update at the end of the day with my battery life.

Finally someone opened a separate thread for that d, not getting mine till early next week, looking forward to see others usage

Still at around 50% and about 3 hours SOT.
Light browsing, youtube, bunch of speed tests/emails etc.

Does as well, if not even better (after updates) than my 6T did. 90hz on and all.

First battery run, bot too shabby
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After downloading 4 torrent files(2gb each), streaming 2 movies back to back on Netflix, playing Asphalt 9 for about an hour, clicking a few pictures. I think it's pretty good, almost as good as my Redmi Note 5 pro...
P.S - Screen resolution is 1080p though & 90hhz

People are getting pretty high times. Someone got over 10 hours of SOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/bqhlg8/oneplus_7_pro_first_day/

Here's my sot. Wanted to get it lower but I need to get the sack.

Pretty Good
Surprisingly, I am getting better battery life on a White Theme + Hyperion Launcher than I got on Dark Theme + Nova Launcher.
The Dark + Nova was my first setup after unboxing the phone. I factory reset the device and then let the theme be default, and installed Hyperion instead of nova.
Refresh Rate : 90Hz
Resolution : Auto Switch
Brightness : Auto
One additional change from when I had the dark theme is that I disabled Ambient Display showing when phone is picked (It only shows when a new notification comes in)
Enabled Double tap to wake.

Not entirely true
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People are getting pretty high times. Someone got over 10 hours of SOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/bqhlg8/oneplus_7_pro_first_day/
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It is pretty easy to get numbers like the ones shown on the reddit thread.
I am pretty sure the person with the 10 Hours SOT did s quick top up at a around 40 or 50 % (And let the phone charge up to around 60 or 70)
That does not count as a full charge. And voila you get those impossible SOT numbers.
If someone with that kind of SOT does not also post a picture of the battery drain graph, dont believe them.

n2851991m said:
It is pretty easy to get numbers like the ones shown on the reddit thread.
I am pretty sure the person with the 10 Hours SOT did s quick top up at a around 40 or 50 % (And let the phone charge up to around 60 or 70)
That does not count as a full charge. And voila you get those impossible SOT numbers.
If someone with that kind of SOT does not also post a picture of the battery drain graph, dont believe them.
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The person who's posted about the 10 hours sot did post screenshots and did not top off at all. Looked at the screenshots myself.

Not great, but here's mine with some moderate use

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The person who's posted about the 10 hours sot did post screenshots and did not top off at all. Looked at the screenshots myself.
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Ah, well if that is the case I am happy to be wrong about this.
Any ideas on how to get that kind of SOT while using the phone normally (Telegram, Whatsapp and other Social Media + Some youtube and games) ?
Thanks.

Got the phone today. I charged it to full, then started configuring everything. Heavy web browsing, set up about 30 apps, took 20 some odd photos, played around with every system setting I could find, and played 2 games for about an hour total. Oh, I use a persistent VPN 24/7, which tends to add to the data and battery drain as well.
Clearly, the battery is horrible.

n2851991m said:
It is pretty easy to get numbers like the ones shown on the reddit thread.
I am pretty sure the person with the 10 Hours SOT did s quick top up at a around 40 or 50 % (And let the phone charge up to around 60 or 70)
That does not count as a full charge. And voila you get those impossible SOT numbers.
If someone with that kind of SOT does not also post a picture of the battery drain graph, dont believe them.
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The op showed his graph
https://m.imgur.com/a/ep5IHCB

Great phone but battery life is disappointing...
I wanted to upgrade but i think I'll stay on my 6
T

Hey guys,
This is what I'm getting on Day 2 after I set everything up yesterday and it had several hours to settle in.
I'm at home on WiFi, it's pretty dull here today so low screen brightness and I'm not a heavy user (in terms of not playing games or demanding apps).
I dark mode everything and used root to optimise everything I can too so that will have helped.
Need a little more time to figure out how Idle drain will perform but right now for my usage pattern, this is the same / or better than what my OP6 would give me in similar circumstances.
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Don't understand bad reputation of OP7pro battery life...
Mine is way better than my OP6
Last firmware 9.5.4, charged it yesterday morning at 100%, dropped at 49% (3h50 SOT) when i went to sleep, moderate use, gps, bt, no games, all default settings, brightness at 50%
So it's a good 2 days battery for me

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The op showed his graph
https://m.imgur.com/a/ep5IHCB
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He wasn't talking about me, he was talking about someone that posted I think on Reddit that claimed to get 10+ hours sot with this phone. He apparently didn't see that they did post pictures as proof.

I'm on my first cycle and pretty satisfied with battery life.
These are the stats but keep in mind that I started with 90 %.
Always on 90 Hz, auto resolution, two SIM cards, only mobile internet. Brightness is on auto, I texted a lot, surfed, had some calls, instagram, Facebook etc.
I'll keep an eye on this but so far I can't complain!