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Currently I have the Note 2 with AT&T. I will be upgrading to the Note 3 when it comes out. However, I am not sure which version of the Note 3 to get. Should I get the International version or the AT&T version. I think the international version has the Samsung CPU and the AT&T version has the Snapdragon 800. Would the international version work with AT&T LTE cellular? Would the international version work with T-Mobile LTE cellular (just in case I want to switch)?
Which one would give better battery and faster speed/graphics?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the international version will only run on AT&T 3G. I am in the camp that prefers the Snapdragon 800 to the revised Exynos 5, too. I'd opt for the AT&T version (Although personally I'm giving T-Mobile a shot this time around)
The N3 will be my first "carrier" phone on AT&T in two years. I'm not thrilled and depending on what it's like using it I may sell it on eBay and get a HSPA Octa. Here's my thinking:
Pros
I've been fine with HSPA+ on my previous phones and use to pay $10 a month for unlimited data through the "non-smartphone" loophole that applied to phone's AT&T didn't recognize. That party's over. So now I'm paying for LTE and not able to use it. So with AT&T's N3 I'll finally get what I'm paying for and even get LTE-A when they start to roll it out; supposedly this year.
The international N3's are insanely expensive. Negri and NewEgg have the Octa's at $779 and up. On Next it's $35 a month, I have no contract commitment beyond the phone's payoff, and I can sell it on eBay if I want something new.
Service and repair. Whether through Asurion or SquareTrade getting a carrier phone repaired/replaced is easy compared to jumping through hoops to get an international version (non-warranted and non-supported by Samsung in the U.S.) repaired.
Cons
God knows what AT&T's done with the s/w. We know there will be tons of their specific bloatware. That doesn't concern me because it can be disabled and with 32GB of NAND the space it takes up isn't a big deal. My big concern is their modifying, neutering, or completely removing some of Samsung's stock apps and features. I can't root my phones because I connect to secure networks so I'm pretty much stuck with what comes out of the box. I'm scared at what's coming out of AT&T's box.
I loved being able to use any multi-CSC ROM on Samfirmware or Samsung-Updates to keep my unrooted phone always current. I've probably had a dozen updates on my N7100. Now I'll be dependent on AT&T. That alone could end up pushing me to an international Octa N3. Also, to support the new features of Knox, Samsung's seriously altered and locked down the bootloader. So who knows what impact that'll have even on international N3's when it comes to updates via Odin. I used to root my phone when I wanted to do someting to it (EG: Google Wallet) and then unroot afterward and run Triangle Away. That ship sailed mid-year and with the Knox enhancements isn't coming back.
AT&T's modified radio may be crappy and I travel a lot internationally. Also I'm guessing on Next the device can't be unlocked until it's paid off. The only reason this is acceptable in my case is I'm getting a 3G (Octa) Note 10.1 2014 which has a dialer and I can use it in situations I need to pop in another carrier's SIM and/or the AT&T radio isn't working well.
Dev support is going to be limited on the AT&T N3's compared to the international versions. It'll probably still be strong but not as simple, timely, and robust. It doesn't apply to my un-rooted situation but something for people to consider.
The moment I find a S-800 international device that's quad-band GSM/UMTS and supports AT&T's LTE bands I'll buy it and sell my AT&T version. So far the EU and Latin American versions of the N3 don't support AT&T's LTE bands. The UK N3's LTE bands haven't been announced yet but I don't have high hopes. There's a chance a Canadian carrier will leave their version of the N3 unmolested and with the same model number as the international version and that it would support AT&T's LTE bands. That would allow it to be flashed like a non-carrier Samsung phone via Odin (with the possible exception mentioned above) and still get LTE on AT&T. Same thing for Claro in Puerto Rico. I'm not sure about the flash part but even an unmolested Canadian or Pueto Rican N3 with AT&T's LTE bands might end up being better than whatever AT&T does to their version.
All just my opinion of course.
I'm leaning towards either international or T.mobile or Canadian version. The att s4 can't be bootloader unlocked and new update patched the root. I'd hate to not have options on such a power device that I could potentially last for a couple years.
I had the note 1,note2,and now using the galaxy mega until the note 3 hits the shelf.I'm up in the air as well in deciding whether to keep my at&t note 3 or sell it and go international.I'd rather keep the at&t note 3,but who knows if were going to be up ****s creek with no root,are how long or ever going to get root method.I guess I can deal with no roms,but no root forget it
I thought that the international N3 (9005) with the SnapDragon 800 would be compatible with AT&T's LTE bands, no? Wasn't this mentioned during the presentation last week about the N3 supporting global LTE bands? Couldn't one just buy/import an international 9005 which was released in a country whose LTE bands match that of AT&T? Would this work?
I guess we'll know soon, but my own need would be for a variant which supports my home UK 4G network (EE most likely) plus USA AT&T LTE for when I'm in the states. Preferably bought in the UK for my UK carrier because of the discounts.
I thought the release event said they were going to support all bands in one device, but I've no idea if that's actually going to be true of the version you get at your local phone shop.
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hockeyfan said:
I thought that the international N3 (9005) with the SnapDragon 800 would be compatible with AT&T's LTE bands, no? Wasn't this mentioned during the presentation last week about the N3 supporting global LTE bands? Couldn't one just buy/import an international 9005 which was released in a country whose LTE bands match that of AT&T? Would this work?
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I heard the same thing too.
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I've beeing researching for hours, and accordung to multiple sites, like this one the international N9005 version will support LTE 2100/1800/850/1600/800MHz (Bands 1,3,5,7,20). This does not include AT&T, whose LTE network operates on bands 4 (1700Mhz) and 17 (700Mhz). I hope these frequencies vary by region, like many sites mention, but I have my doubts we'll get lucky to see international N9005 with LTE bands 4 or 17.
Here is a list of countries, which has partial LTE band overlapping with AT&T. None of these support both, bands 4 and 17, which is what AT&T uses:
Argentina - 4
Colombia - 4
Ecuador - 4
Paraguay - 4
Peru - 4
Uruguay - 4
Canada - 4
Puerto Rico - 17
Since Note 3 has LTE radio, capable of supporting up to 6 bands, the only hope is that one of these carriers will pick up a version, where the other missing band is tossed in without any real purpose behind it, just to keep things interesting. For example, AT&T branded GN3 needs only these 2 LTE bands, and yet the device is LTE penta band.
Also, keep in mind we dont even know what band will AT&T use next year, when LTE-A goes live. I believe AT&T owns spectrum in 1900Mhz and 2100Mhz areas, and in the process of acquiring more.
EDIT: I'd like to clarify my statement about GN3 radio supporting 6 LTE bands. What I meant is some carriers will offer a version, which has up to 6 LTE bands enabled simultaneously. The actual hardware capability of Qualcomm's RF360 Front End solution is universal 2G/3G/4G support - the radio is capable of operating on *all* LTE frequencies.
Hello guys,
I am about to purchase Samsung note 4 (yeaaaaaaaaaaaa) and I came across these three option.
To buy an unlocked phone from AT&T, T-Mobile or international version?
Any differences between these?
I am planning on putting some custom rom in the future, will i have any difficulties if i get AT&T or T-mobile?
I also live in the UK, will this affect me?
Thanks for your tips.
cotsios26 said:
Hello guys,
I am about to purchase Samsung note 4 (yeaaaaaaaaaaaa) and I came across these three option.
To buy an unlocked phone from AT&T, T-Mobile or international version?
Any differences between these?
I am planning on putting some custom rom in the future, will i have any difficulties if i get AT&T or T-mobile?
I also live in the UK, will this affect me?
Thanks for your tips.
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Att has a locked bootloader - so if you want to flash custom roms do not buy that one. Tmobile version can flash custom roms and so can the international one - I don't know about Englnad, but I know the International Version (at least on the S5) cannot be used in teh states if you want to get LTE - the international phone doesn't have the correct bands to get LTE in the US - I cannot say that is for sure on the NOTE 4 - but it is definately how it was on the S5 and I would guess that at least in this area, they are the same.
So I htink you should get specks for both Tmobile and International and make sure they have the bands you need to get LTE in England. That would be the only real difference between the two from what I can tell anyway.
GOOD LUCK!
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Att has a locked bootloader - so if you want to flash custom roms do not buy that one. Tmobile version can flash custom roms and so can the international one - I don't know about Englnad, but I know the International Version (at least on the S5) cannot be used in teh states if you want to get LTE - the international phone doesn't have the correct bands to get LTE in the US - I cannot say that is for sure on the NOTE 4 - but it is definately how it was on the S5 and I would guess that at least in this area, they are the same.
So I htink you should get specks for both Tmobile and International and make sure they have the bands you need to get LTE in England. That would be the only real difference between the two from what I can tell anyway.
GOOD LUCK!
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Ok thanks for the information!
The details I have for the T-Mobile version is
Quad Band GSM
UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850)
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17
SIM: Micro-SIM
Model # SM-N910T
Im not sure if this LTE works in the UK.
I know that might be a bit off topic, but I am interested in LG G3 as well. What are your thoughs compared to Note 4.
Does the difference in price tag (330GBP for the G3 to 530GBO for Note 4) worth it?
The LG G3 is not even in the same ballpark.
Don't do it.
I don't know why anyone would recommend the international version. It has no warranty and NO support for LTE in North America. The T-Mobile version is fully compatible with AT&T, and works quite well (I am using it myself). LTE speeds are excellent, along with reception. I have no complaints. The only thing the AT&T might offer is HD voice and carrier aggregation.
The op resides in Europe (UK). Get the International snapdragon that works with your carrier's bands. And it also seems that the sm-n910f has all the same bands as the t mobile version
cotsios26 said:
Ok thanks for the information!
The details I have for the T-Mobile version is
Quad Band GSM
UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850)
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17
SIM: Micro-SIM
Model # SM-N910T
Im not sure if this LTE works in the UK.
I know that might be a bit off topic, but I am interested in LG G3 as well. What are your thoughs compared to Note 4.
Does the difference in price tag (330GBP for the G3 to 530GBO for Note 4) worth it?
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I can;t speak aobut the LG - Never used it - no desire to - The Note 4 is simply the most amazing phone ever made - no comparison in my book - regarding TMOBILE SUPPORTED LTE BANDS _ I just don't know much about which bands are used by providers in Europe - I know their phones are not compatible here in the US - at least not on any phone I have tried - but I don't know if the same is true with US phones in Europe or england. Either way, good luck.
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The LG G3 is not even in the same ballpark.
Don't do it.
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So Note4 does worth to spend around 200GBP more for it?
MattMJB0188 said:
I don't know why anyone would recommend the international version. It has no warranty and NO support for LTE in North America. The T-Mobile version is fully compatible with AT&T, and works quite well (I am using it myself). LTE speeds are excellent, along with reception. I have no complaints. The only thing the AT&T might offer is HD voice and carrier aggregation.
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I live in UK so thats why I am wondering about AT&T and T-Mobile versions, they are both unlocked though.
As far as I know, I will not buy AT&T cz of the locked bootloader.
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The op resides in Europe (UK). Get the International snapdragon that works with your carrier's bands. And it also seems that the sm-n910f has all the same bands as the t mobile version
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I found T-Mobile version around 490GBP whereas international version is more expensive, but they say they have the same frequencies. So im guessing i wont have any problems in the uk!?
mocsab said:
I can;t speak aobut the LG - Never used it - no desire to - The Note 4 is simply the most amazing phone ever made - no comparison in my book - regarding TMOBILE SUPPORTED LTE BANDS _ I just don't know much about which bands are used by providers in Europe - I know their phones are not compatible here in the US - at least not on any phone I have tried - but I don't know if the same is true with US phones in Europe or england. Either way, good luck.
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Alright, thanks a lot.
I also found N910K version which is the Korean version. Is it the one with the Octa-core CPU, or Im mistaken?
cotsios26 said:
I live in UK so thats why I am wondering about AT&T and T-Mobile versions, they are both unlocked though.
As far as I know, I will not buy AT&T cz of the locked bootloader.
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I didn't see you live in the UK. In that case, i don't know about the T-Mobile version. I always thought Samsung had its own unlocked European version?
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I didn't see you live in the UK. In that case, i don't know about the T-Mobile version. I always thought Samsung had its own unlocked European version?
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Yes they do have it. But I found a T-Mobile version cheaper than the international version and I was wondering If i should buy it and if it would have any compatibility issues with Europe.
cotsios26 said:
Yes they do have it. But I found a T-Mobile version cheaper than the international version and I was wondering If i should buy it and if it would have any compatibility issues with Europe.
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I'm assuming the T-Mobile version N910T would have no warranty support in your country.
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Yes they do have it. But I found a T-Mobile version cheaper than the international version and I was wondering If i should buy it and if it would have any compatibility issues with Europe.
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I honestly don't know about TMOBILE working for LTE in the UK - the only experience I have is attempting to use an International S5 in the US and when I tried, I could not get LTE - I assumed that the NOTE and the S5 have the same bands - if that is true, then International phones won't get LTE on ATT in the US (I don't know about TMOBILE) and regarding which bands are supported by Carriers in the UK - that is where I am completely lost - a
Is there any Exynos note 8 that will work on Verizon? I really like the unlocked dual sim one but it doesn't have an CDMA support, but would it run LTE only on Verizon? Will it do VoLTE on Verizon?
Are there any Exynos Note 8 that have the CDMA bands to be able to run on Verizon?
Also the reason I want the Exynos is so I can run ASOP on it or as close as I can anyway. Are there ASOP ROMs that maintain the unique features of the Note 8, IE all the S pen stuff.
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Is there any Exynos note 8 that will work on Verizon? I really like the unlocked dual sim one but it doesn't have an CDMA support, but would it run LTE only on Verizon? Will it do VoLTE on Verizon?
Are there any Exynos Note 8 that have the CDMA bands to be able to run on Verizon?
Also the reason I want the Exynos is so I can run ASOP on it or as close as I can anyway. Are there ASOP ROMs that maintain the unique features of the Note 8, IE all the S pen stuff.
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Note 8 really isn't the phone for you if you're looking for an AOSP ROM that retains all the S-Pen features.
Firstly, AOSP is far from d aily driver material on the S8/S8+, so I wouldn't expect a decent Note 8 build in the near future. It'll take a while.
Secondly, Verizon will work as LTE only on the Exynos Note 8 since it doesn't support any of the CDMA bands, VoLTE probably won't work due to the lack of a Verizon flashable CSC.
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Note 8 really isn't the phone for you if you're looking for an AOSP ROM that retains all the S-Pen features.
Firstly, AOSP is far from d aily driver material on the S8/S8+, so I wouldn't expect a decent Note 8 build in the near future. It'll take a while.
Secondly, Verizon will work as LTE only on the Exynos Note 8 since it doesn't support any of the CDMA bands, VoLTE probably won't work due to the lack of a Verizon flashable CSC.
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Kinda what I've gathered, flashing ASOP, even if it were stable, would cost me the main reason I would want the phone for.
So let's throw rooting out the window. Is there a dual SIM Snapdragon version that will work on Verizon? I have a work phone that runs on ATT and it would be nice to only have one phone to carry.
loki993 said:
Kinda what I've gathered, flashing ASOP, even if it were stable, would cost me the main reason I would want the phone for.
So let's throw rooting out the window. Is there a dual SIM Snapdragon version that will work on Verizon? I have a work phone that runs on ATT and it would be nice to only have one phone to carry.
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There is a Dual SIM version with the SD835 chip, but it's the Chinese variant.
Won't work with Verizon and probably won't work with AT&T either.
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Well ****....
murtaza02 said:
There is a Dual SIM version with the SD835 chip, but it's the Chinese variant.
Won't work with Verizon and probably won't work with AT&T either.
Sent from my SM-N950F
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Same with the Hong Kong version? Why wont they the should have the required bands, Im more curious at this point
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Same with the Hong Kong version? Why wont they the should have the required bands, Im more curious at this point
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Well, technically they shouldn't have the required bands for th US, only for HK/China.
AT&T may work, with some tinkering, although I can't guarantee anything and Verizon is probably hopeless, the HK variant does support CDMA for China, not sure if it does for VZW.
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If the specs are to be believed they should have one CDMA band that verizon uses, whether or not it's the one they use for calls I don't know. Yeah sounds like a big risk on a thousand dollar phone.
This issue is my dilemma. I actually got a Hong Kong Note 8 primarily because for the same price of the item in US without taxes, I get Deep Sea Blue, 128gb and Dual Sim
On to the technical part - Verizon uses bands 2/4/13 for LTE. If you would look at Samsung Hong Kong Note 8 technical spec page, it lists
4G FDD LTE
B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B17(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(850), B28(700)
This is quite conflicting with a website's information (techwalls[dot]com/ samsung-galaxy-note-8-sm-n950-model-number-differences ) on Hong Kong/China units which states -
4G FDD LTE: LTE Cat16 700/800/850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 20, 28, 29, 30)
4G TDD LTE: B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
At any rate, I can always shift to T-Mobile if ever my phone won't work on Verizon. '^-^
ohohpatrick said:
This issue is my dilemma. I actually got a Hong Kong Note 8 primarily because for the same price of the item in US without taxes, I get Deep Sea Blue, 128gb and Dual Sim
On to the technical part - Verizon uses bands 2/4/13 for LTE. If you would look at Samsung Hong Kong Note 8 technical spec page, it lists
4G FDD LTE
B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B17(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(850), B28(700)
This is quite conflicting with a website's information (techwalls[dot]com/ samsung-galaxy-note-8-sm-n950-model-number-differences ) on Hong Kong/China units which states -
4G FDD LTE: LTE Cat16 700/800/850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 20, 28, 29, 30)
4G TDD LTE: B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
At any rate, I can always shift to T-Mobile if ever my phone won't work on Verizon. '^-^
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Essentially, if it indeed supports the required bands of your desired provider, it should work fine. If you end up deciding to root it I'm sure you can flash a Verizon CSC as well which may give you any missing features such as VoLTE, though I have absolutely no knowledge or experience with Verizon.
anyone managed to get into and activate it
even with root, we can't use that menu
s10 exynos has crappy signals on t mobile
hoping i could change that
There is no way to change Samsung Exynos Carrier Aggregation. This is EU/Global model and i think it doesn't support CA with US Bands.
You can check supported bands and CA support when you collect log from your device: https://mt-tech.fi/en/how-to-get-4g-supported-ca-combinations-from-your-android-phone/ . Please share log to https://cacombos.com/contribute then could list bands and combinations supported in US:
I have already some listed here: https://cacombos.com/device?model=SM-G975F but could missing some.
TheUndertaker21 said:
anyone managed to get into and activate it
even with root, we can't use that menu
s10 exynos has crappy signals on t mobile
hoping i could change that
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I have TMobile and have no signal issues. Even the US unlocked S10 doesn't support carrier aggregation, you'd have to buy the Tmo branded S10. I purposely went out of my way to get a G973F so I can have an unlocked bootloader and root. The only band missing from the G973F for Tmo is band 71 which is only a big deal if you live in rural areas. I'm in Massachusetts and there is no band 71 here at all. Considering the G973F has all the same bands as the G973U besides band 71 I doubt you would be getting any better signal with it unless you're in one of the few remote areas with band 71.
It mostly comes down to what your carrier provides in your area. For example where I am (Western NY) Verizon & AT&T I can get it however with TMobile I can't even get a 4g signal. I had an s9 (g960F) when I tested this and the same is showing for my s10e. I would strongly recommend trying AT&T.
is CA is working on snapdragon model
Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.
I am testing too. I am using Telus in Canada, roaming in US is mostly T-Mobile though.
From what I can see, our version has LTE bands 2,4,5,7 only. It does not have 700MHz bands or 66 aka AWS-3, so we may have trouble in rural areas.
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Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.
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I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.
tfae said:
Having root the easiest way to have this is installing the app from the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rgm.oneplus8pro_ircamera
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I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.
Im using rog 3 with ATT and have no issues at all
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.
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Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
www.phonearena.com
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Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
www.phonearena.com
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That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.
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That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.
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For sure bud, well that's the one I got. I thought it would come with MIUI BUT IT DIDN'T