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AMOLED Screens tend to differ from display to display, some users get displays presenting a warmer yellow color in presence of white while others get displays presenting a cooler bluish tint in presence of white.
Which presentation would you prefer in terms color appearances on AMOLED Displays (when using the Default Mode: Adaptive Display)? Warmer Displays or Cooler Displays?
I'll be honest when I say that 9300K "blue/cool" whites look more like true white to me, but the industry standards like sRGB, Rec. 709, etc. call for a 6500K "yellow/warm" white point and that leaves my hands tied when calibrating my displays for accuracy.
On that note, Android could use something like system-wide ICC profiles...
In Basic Mode, the display appears more yellow. However, in Adaptive Display, the display look "more cool."
Apart from these Modes, the displays are predisposed to a cool or warm tint, that makes the display appear either cool or warm (sometimes attributes to the pink or yellow tint in presence of whites).
NamelessFragger said:
I'll be honest when I say that 9300K "blue/cool" whites look more like true white to me, but the industry standards like sRGB, Rec. 709, etc. call for a 6500K "yellow/warm" white point and that leaves my hands tied when calibrating my displays for accuracy.
On that note, Android could use something like system-wide ICC profiles...
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I'll be honest. I've never taken the time to understand AMOLED Technology. It was more the active matrix part but I'll be the first to vote that I didn't.
arjun90 said:
In Basic Mode, the display appears more yellow. However, in Adaptive Display, the display look "more cool."
Apart from these Modes, the displays are predisposed to a cool or warm tint, that makes the display appear either cool or warm (sometimes attributes to the pink or yellow tint in presence of whites).
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I'm quite aware of the screen modes, but the white point color temperature and overall gamut (wider gamuts -> more saturation, deeper primaries) are only part of the whole color accuracy equation. The gamma is still far, far off from the 2.2 reference no matter what mode is used. Just open this up in your browser, then you'll wish you had some gamma adjustments somewhere on the Note 4. Maybe Lollipop will save us?
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
Overall, though, I'd say the most important thing is consistency, which is why standards exist. However, a lot of white LED-lit LCDs and such are much closer to those 9300K blue-ish whites. Mixing those up with some warmer 6500K yellow-ish whites is really jarring, and I can speak from experience there. I'd say for personal use, it doesn't really matter which you use so long as all your displays look consistent next to each other.
I prefer a bluer tint, but only slightly. None of this Xperia Z3 blow your face off blue.
I haven't seen a yellowish screen for a while though. The Note 4 I have leans towards Red or Blue and most other phones i've used lean from red to blue. Mainly red though.
I dislike 6500K, I always have.. For me 6500k white isn't white, it's yellow.
rj3005 said:
I dislike 6500K, I always have.. For me 6500k white isn't white, it's yellow.
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been follwing this for quite time and yes I agree with your post. Being on the note 3 camp , it's the same **** on our end. Recently encho
has been implementing KCAL to aid with changing our color temperatures. More developers should make it a standard to include KCAL in snapdragons.
My 10+ arrived yesterday and so far I've been impressed with two exceptions. As mentioned in other threads my finger sensor leaves a lot to be desired but my point of this thread was about an odd look my screen had. It was not bright and sharp like my 8+. There was a yellowish tint. I went into the 8+ to see if there were any differences in my display settings and I fixed the problem my by changing the screen mode on the 10+ from natural to vivid (Settings > Display > Screen Mode). The options were different on the 8+ but on the newer version it's one of the two, vivid or natural.
Just wanted to share that in case anyone else is having the same issue.
One question. My 10+ came with the screen protector and I've never had one. I assume they take away at least a small percentage of your brightness and clarity? I'm tempted to remove mine to see.
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My 10+ arrived yesterday and so far I've been impressed with two exceptions. As mentioned in other threads my finger sensor leaves a lot to be desired but my point of this thread was about an odd look my screen had. It was not bright and sharp like my 8+. There was a yellowish tint. I went into the 8+ to see if there were any differences in my display settings and I fixed the problem my by changing the screen mode on the 10+ from natural to vivid (Settings > Display > Screen Mode). The options were different on the 8+ but on the newer version it's one of the two, vivid or natural.
Just wanted to share that in case anyone else is having the same issue.
One question. My 10+ came with the screen protector and I've never had one. I assume they take away at least a small percentage of your brightness and clarity? I'm tempted to remove mine to see.
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Keep in mind that Natural should follow the sRGB color space. Most displays have default colors that are too cold/blue (high color temperature, and I know, it's counter intuitive but that's what they call it ). Relative to "colder screens", sRGB will seem warmer / more yellow. But it's also much more accurate as far as color representation goes, and should be closer to what you see with your eyes unfiltered by sunglasses. This assumes whatever image you're looking at is also taken with neutral colors and not over saturated.
I usually calibrate all my screens to have more accurate colors, at the expense of that "pop" you can get with AMOLED screens.
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Keep in mind that Natural should follow the sRGB color space. Most displays have default colors that are too cold/blue (high color temperature, and I know, it's counter intuitive but that's what they call it ). Relative to "colder screens", sRGB will seem warmer / more yellow. But it's also much more accurate as far as color representation goes, and should be closer to what you see with your eyes unfiltered by sunglasses. This assumes whatever image you're looking at is also taken with neutral colors and not over saturated.
I usually calibrate all my screens to have more accurate colors, at the expense of that "pop" you can get with AMOLED screens.
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That "pop" is exactly what I'm looking for so would you suggest I stick with vivid? I understand what you're saying about the colors but it's not an area I'm real familiar with. I'm just not seeing a brightness on the level I prefer and yes I have it set as high as possible.
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That "pop" is exactly what I'm looking for so would you suggest I stick with vivid? I understand what you're saying about the colors but it's not an area I'm real familiar with. I'm just not seeing a brightness on the level I prefer and yes I have it set as high as possible.
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Yeah, you'll want to leave it on vivid if you want that "pop". I also know that when my current Google Pixel got the Pie update, the auto-brightness was a bit finicky at first, as it's an "intelligent" brightness and it takes a few days to learn your preferences for the right brightness based on the lighting conditions. So that might be the case with the S10 as well, and I should be picking up mine tomorrow so then I'll know more about how it works exactly.
Also I think I read somewhere that the S10 will only get very bright in direct sunlight if it's set to auto-brightness. You apparently can't set it to that level manually. So perhaps play around with that a bit.
Any news on this? I just picked up my s10 plus and the screen has a yellow tint and seems less bright compared to my note 8...not sure if I just ask for a replacement. Thanks!
I always run mine on Vivid and WQHD and as expected the S10 is spectacular
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im surprised there isnt adaptive display mode like on the previous models this really made different colours pop. mine seems to have a bit of an orange tint
I also found it too yellow.. Go at the advanced settings and reduce the green close to the minimum and the red just a little bit. It will look white again..
Because of the sun light some people find yellowish colours more natural..
Yeah the whites don't look good on the s10 compared to my note 8
Just compared mine with different demo models and they all seem a bit more 'natural'. No need to swap it for a different one, allthough they all are a bit different...one more leaning towards blue white and the other to yellowish white.
Well coming from pixel 3, to me, Colors looks natural. S10 screen is crisp and clear. Nobody can best sammy when it comes to screens. I am using natural mode. Vivid mode is having too much pop.
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My 10+ arrived yesterday and so far I've been impressed with two exceptions. As mentioned in other threads my finger sensor leaves a lot to be desired but my point of this thread was about an odd look my screen had. It was not bright and sharp like my 8+. There was a yellowish tint. I went into the 8+ to see if there were any differences in my display settings and I fixed the problem my by changing the screen mode on the 10+ from natural to vivid (Settings > Display > Screen Mode). The options were different on the 8+ but on the newer version it's one of the two, vivid or natural.
Just wanted to share that in case anyone else is having the same issue.
One question. My 10+ came with the screen protector and I've never had one. I assume they take away at least a small percentage of your brightness and clarity? I'm tempted to remove mine to see.
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So even I had the same thoughts when I got hands on my S10+. Was worried the screen had some issues and hence went to the Samsung store and compared with the display phones - there was no difference between what I had and the display ones. However, when I compared with my S8+ I found that S8+ display was more blue-ish than S10+. The response from Samsung was that by default Samsung had toned down the blue light in the S10 screens for improved readability.
However, I feel the colors had lesser contrast in my S10+ screen compared to my S8+ and that is a bummer - at least for me!
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So even I had the same thoughts when I got hands on my S10+. Was worried the screen had some issues and hence went to the Samsung store and compared with the display phones - there was no difference between what I had and the display ones. However, when I compared with my S8+ I found that S8+ display was more blue-ish than S10+. The response from Samsung was that by default Samsung had toned down the blue light in the S10 screens for improved readability.
However, I feel the colors had lesser contrast in my S10+ screen compared to my S8+ and that is a bummer - at least for me!
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I have found that applying "blue light filter" and setting it's effect to minimum fixes the color saturation and reverses the washed out look on images. Another way is to go into visibility enhancements -> color adjustment -> then either apply a filter there like "Tritan" or "personalize color" and follow the steps. To me I cannot see any difference between the above steps or just simply applying "blue light filter" set to minimum. To me both look to correct the color saturation about the same.
I hope this helps you!
Hopefully they fix this soon!
Cheers ?
-Dorian
Hi guys. I think you might be encountering the display saturation bug.
The Galaxy S10 (USA Unlocked version in my case) has a peculiar bug in the display. When a photo is fully opened in an app such as Gallery, the photo's saturation becomes muted and cold (even with the display set to vivid and warm). It's very apparent with skin tones. I first noticed this when comparing identical photos between my S10 and S9.
If you hit the app switcher, the minimized card displays the photo with the correct saturation. Maximizing the app, causes the image to immediately turn washed out and Muted. This is appears to be a system wide bug, as it shows up in Gallery, Instagram and other places. I could not get this to show up with a screen recorder, since it's the display changing the image. I recorded it with my camera, but it appears very subtle. In person it is very obvious. I don't know how many are affected by this bug, but I'm seeing others talk about it on forums. Appears to affect all galaxy S10 models.
For a temporary fix, you can enable the blue light filter and set it to the MINIMUM setting. This will display photos in the Gallery and other apps with the correct color saturation. Hopefully Samsung will address this with a software update!
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Supraguy88 said:
Hi guys. I think you might be encountering the display saturation bug.
The Galaxy S10 (USA Unlocked version in my case) has a peculiar bug in the display. When a photo is fully opened in an app such as Gallery, the photo's saturation becomes muted and cold (even with the display set to vivid and warm). It's very apparent with skin tones. I first noticed this when comparing identical photos between my S10 and S9.
If you hit the app switcher, the minimized card displays the photo with the correct saturation. Maximizing the app, causes the image to immediately turn washed out and Muted. This is appears to be a system wide bug, as it shows up in Gallery, Instagram and other places. I could not get this to show up with a screen recorder, since it's the display changing the image. I recorded it with my camera, but it appears very subtle. In person it is very obvious. I don't know how many are affected by this bug, but I'm seeing others talk about it on forums. Appears to affect all galaxy S10 models.
For a temporary fix, you can enable the blue light filter and set it to the MINIMUM setting. This will display photos in the Gallery and other apps with the correct color saturation. Hopefully Samsung will address this with a software update!
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Hi, I wanted to ask if you guys, have the same effect on your screen. It happens to me only when I'm in low light situations, and it's like, the dark colors, like, mix together with the color that was before in the place that is now the dark color. Only happens when I move any dark/black content on my phone, fast, or not to very fast, but no slow. The best way to see this effect is on dark mode, and on the status bar. Take a reference the white part of your brightness slider. Then, you moove up and down your statusbar, and if you can see it, you'll see like, the dark part of the brightnes slider, shrinks when it's moving (taking as a mark the thickness of the white part of the brightness slider). At first, I thought that this was like a system effect (animation), but then, I saw it on a photo, the same effect, so I think that my screen is defective. I upload a video in slow motion for a better look, and to understand me. Also, I forget to say, but in the video you won't notice it, but, the part that shrinks on the brightness slider, it color, slightly changes to a blueish color.
The video link:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1wAu-xNoA0s9xQJkYNCqKJGT2A9bCttXa
haven't watched the video, but i think what you're describing is black smearing, it's an amoled thing becuase when black is onscreen pixels turn off
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Hi, I wanted to ask if you guys, have the same effect on your screen. It happens to me only when I'm in low light situations, and it's like, the dark colors, like, mix together with the color that was before in the place that is now the dark color. Only happens when I move any dark/black content on my phone, fast, or not to very fast, but no slow. The best way to see this effect is on dark mode, and on the status bar. Take a reference the white part of your brightness slider. Then, you moove up and down your statusbar, and if you can see it, you'll see like, the dark part of the brightnes slider, shrinks when it's moving (taking as a mark the thickness of the white part of the brightness slider). At first, I thought that this was like a system effect (animation), but then, I saw it on a photo, the same effect, so I think that my screen is defective. I upload a video in slow motion for a better look, and to understand me. Also, I forget to say, but in the video you won't notice it, but, the part that shrinks on the brightness slider, it color, slightly changes to a blueish color.
The video link:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1wAu-xNoA0s9xQJkYNCqKJGT2A9bCttXa
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I don't quite understand what do you mean. But for my mi 9 lite, when the screen is all black and only has a few places of lighted up areas, those pixels seems to last a bit longer after it had brightened up.
Idk if that's just what AMOLED does.
This is normal for OLED screens, i have seen same effect on Samsung Galaxy S3 - S9, Nexus and OnePlus phones. Black = off pixels. When they turn from black to something else, they need to turn on. This causes a delay, which leads to the blurry purple affect. It can be slightly annoying but the colors, saturation and contrast outweight the con's IMO, i dont see myself coming back to IPS.
It also happens to me in the Mi 9 Lite. It seems to be some technology used on the screen.
There are a lot of posts and review mentioning this problem about the camera, photos, and videos, but it's not just the output coming from the lens: it's the entire display.
It's not just that it's pinker than other devices: when you look at photos of humans or things you know were supposed to be yellower, it's noticeable and looks wrong, even without another screen to reference. Humans look especially piggy-pink. Sand looks pink. Wood looks pink.
Yes, it's possible to adjust color balance from the Settings menu, but if I adjust for reds, the whites become off-balanced: too yellow-green.
The color temperature wheel also does nothing for a separate issue: contrast and saturation. In Normal mode, it's too muted. Meanwhile, "Vivid" mode comically oversaturates. Compared to a Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 4 XL (and other screens, mobile and desktop), colors (in Normal) are more muted than expected. Parts of images that should be charteuse or neon are instead just nearly-pastel yellow-green. Darks and blacks are nearly greyish.
Can anything be done to calibrate the screen, via root, apps, or otherwise?
Hello everyone,so yesterday i recieved my new S20FE from my service provider. At first glance it seems to be a decent device. Anyway,while setting up the phone,i found that the "white balance" controls under the display settings,dont appear to be changing any colour aspects of my screen at all. No matter how i adjust the Red,Green and Blue control sliders,the the screen remains exactly the same.
Am i doing something wrong,or have i missed something? When compared to my Sony Xperia XZ2 which also has white balance controls that actually work,i may add. The Samsungs screen appears very dull and the whites are more of a cream tone than actual white,which frustrates me. Has anyone else had issues with the colour adjustment on their S20FE and is there a way to get my whites from cream to actual white?
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
@Trace.Oneil I have the 5G snapdragon version and tested Vivid screen mode today. it was so garish that had to try adjusting the RGB values underneath. that too made ZERO DIFFERENCE on my phone.
I quickly went back to natural.
PS, I can't remember much about it but I've heard there's a 3rd screen mode that's hidden and can be activated with ADB. maybe look that up.
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3mel said:
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Thanks,i actually found that online and gave it a try. Although there are some differences between the modes,the RGB sliders still dont work with any of them so you cant fine-tune your screen to your preferred colour settings which is a total waste. Why even include it in the software build if it does'nt work.
I was wondering if the other modes take too much power and that's why they were hidden.
maybe that could apply to the slider ?
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I was wondering if the other modes take too much power and that's why they were hidden.
maybe that could apply to the slider ?
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I doubt it would be a power issue. The mode to me that is the most intense with colour,is Vivid and that is not hidden. I think Samsung forgot about the RGB settings to be honest,and that is probably why they dont work.