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guys,
please read the text below and let me know what you think about it...
although people try to mask the situation by giving it good names the truth is that this is happening and something has to be done before things get worse.
some folks are using this forum to sell what they call 'their' products. they get these ROMs, they make changes to it by adding or removing software. then they publish it as if they are 'sharing' their 'work' but, strangely, they do it in a very commercial way by naming their 'work' with appealing words to get attention.
when these ROMs go published, they often take a few first posts of the thread as they have a lot of information to add..... and screenshots to publish..... and donations to 'suggest'...... and donors' names to publish.
sometimes it will happen that a few folks who are trying these home cooked ROMs with applications that are less likely to be used by most people will end up having serious problems that eventually will get fixed by the 'chef' .... on a new version.
the principle of sharing a piece of work entirely made by yourself is that it cannot be asked anything in exchange otherwise, even if slightly suggested, it's nothing but a sale and by getting copyrighted software, making changes to it, 'sharing' and suggesting donations from the testers, well.... i'm pretty sure this isn't completely nice.... and either legal.
although i never really bothered to look into these roms to see what's really inside them (even flashing them on my phones sometimes) i decided to do it earlier this week. the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
another interesting thing is that if you look into the other subforums carefully you'll see that the same chefs often publish roms for more than one handset which gets me thinking two things: 1) do they really have all these handsets they publish ROMs for? 2) if so, are these roms really tested before they go online?
i don't want to be seen as a troublemaker cause it seems that these folks have made a living out of this cooked rom thing and they appear to have gotten themselves a pretty nice bunch of fans too. however, what i want with this thread is to raise a debate and the reason is that i really like this forum and i'm concerned about something that is happening and i completely disagree.
So what is your main concern?
That the chefs would like to have donations?
Or that someone takes a pile of code and alters it not according to the original programmer?
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big people talk about idea..
small people talk about other people..
You have a point with "selling someone else's code, slightly altered and selling it as your own", but I think the ROM cookers only like donations for the work they do tuning the original roms and most of the time adding functionality to the device. A lot of the "better known" chefs have gathered testers around them, so most of the bugs are gone before a release.
What exactly is the debate? Where are the facts/proof that this is occuring? you cant make such a statement without backing it up with some evidence.
I know some chefs actually put ALOT of time and effort into cooking a rom, testing it and informing the community about any errors found.
I've cooked a Rom or two myself and am working on a driver set for MSM devices. It takes ALOT of my time to do so and it's not only for my own benefit. Thank God there are people out there who help me with that. (you know who you are, if you're reading this)
I'm not saying that it's right to pass your ROMs off as your own, but I do know some chefs are better in making the devices perform alot better than HTC's programmers do. And if people want to reward them for their time and effort through donations, who am I to question that?
On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
Just my 2 cents.
Well, I think that if they "invest" lot of their time (and they do), it is ok to have donation button. Nobody if forceing you to pay for rom. If you like it you can donate. Fair deal if you ask me!
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guys,
the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
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This part I don't like. I think that they shouldn't do that, because in that case, like you said, roms are in some way being sold. That is not in the spirit of xda.
I think what he may be referring to is some members that take the ROM's from a known cook and post it with screenshots in other forums and other language forums with potential to gain off someone else work. I know of 1 instance where a Link to a ROM for only a beta test ended up with more than 500 downloads when intended for less than 10. It was found posted around in different forums.
To reward someone for there hard work in customization is up to the community. I think most people know the ROM's are not the property of the cooks, but just the cooks work in rearranging, adding, deleting, and customizing. I for one can tell you the amount of donations most cooks receive is very small and in most cases would barely cover a unlimited account for downloads. I myself think of it as I'm cooking for myself and if other people like then that's ok too.
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If I use HTC mobiles is because the cooked roms...
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NeoS2007 said:
On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
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For me the first thing to do in order to solve this "problem" is to prohibit any "protected" ROM. I think its not fair to take official ressources, work with tools, which can be found in this forums, and then "protect" the ROM, claiming that its your own choice.
I don't think that this is the right way to go, as other (new) cookers could learn a lot from these ROMs.
But, I don't think that this is the "problem" that SlakerBoi is talking about, is it?
As these discussions tend to come and go every now and then ...
Indeed it costs a huge amount of time in the first place. And a lot of users appreciate the work all cooks are doing overhere. Besides the cooking giving people advise. I can tell you that most cooks share their knowledge. Not always visible to everyone but most of them have contact and help each other. Furthermore, is offering your rom for dumping without any guidance the best way to share?
Everyone that asks for a package, help or guidance in any way is supported in the cooking thread. Some did publish a very nice rom after some time. In my opinion it is a far better contribution then offering an open rom without any support.
The reason I cook my own roms the way I do is for speed purpose. If you have another opinion that is fine with me. But tolerate each other on having a different approach. These kind of statements in threads only give xda a bad vibe. Open your mind, when you want or need something ask for it. It's not supposed to be a tv diner anyway.
I quote you , my friend!
Well this is how it goes for a long time. I think if you don't like it, go somehwere else.
What will you get from debating??
SlakerBoi my first question for you is "have you every cooked a ROM?" i am sure your answer will be "No" because i know how much time n effords need to be put. When i cooked my first rom it took me 4 sleepless night to build a basic beta quality rom. After such a hard work someone reward you by donating. That feeling can't be said in words SlakerBoi. So please stop raising this type of question.
One more thing most of the ROM developers buy new phone with the donations they go so it's not a issue if they release rom for many devices.
Please don't continue this decisions so that this post will go to some corner.
MOD this post hurts lot of ppl feeling so please delete it.
before the flame wars starts
i am going to close this....as these questions will cause fighting.
if you have a problem with someone...contact them....don't post like this
you know this is only going to end in fighting.
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As a chef, and a moderator (chef came first), I'll add my thoughts.
I started into cooking when AT&T released their official WM6.1 ROM for the Kaiser. I always liked the design of AT&T ROMs, but not all of the bloat they included... most of which could not be uninstalled. I had the very "simple" goal of removing the bloat in an attempt to speed up the ROM, and increase storage space.
Once I downloaded the ROM, and extracted it using KaiserKitchen, I immediately realized that I was in over my head. I am a very good with PC and Mac computers in the professional/personal world, but I had never looked at the contents of a decompiled WM ROM. There are hundreds of folders, 10,000+ files, and no real explanation of what you're looking at... that is where XDA-Developers came in.
Within 1 week of public release, I was ready with a ROM that could be considered "extreme beta". It worked, and it was fast, but it had quite a few glitches that could not have been discovered without a public release, and a few dozen people testing the ROM. One thing in the background, that is never seen, is the number of hours spent just flashing our phones (I am NOT counting the cooking process) with numerous revisions testing all the bugs/issues reported. My Tilt was flashed no less then 1000 times in it's life, and my Fuze has been through over 500 so far.
I consider myself to be a pretty good ROM chef. But I also know that I am far from the best, and that most of my knowledge came from the very large XDA-Developers community. Some ROM chefs do not share information about the inner workings of their ROM in the ROM thread itself, but a simple email/PM will usually get you the information you seek. Look at it this way: If someone uses a ROM as released, and has no desire to modify it, then why should the thread be clogged with hundreds of questions/answers relating to how this was done, or how that was done.
My ROMs are "protected" using RaphaelKitchen, but it wasn't always this way. It has been shown that merging the RGU/DSM files into one large file speeds up the ROM because you now have several hundred less files sitting on the device. In addition, I also release my kitchen, in it's complete form, when I release a new ROM version. People are free to download the kitchen, extract it to their computer, and fully customize my ROMs. I know this is a popular route, because my Fuze and Touch Pro kitchens have been downloaded over 100 times since v4.7 of my ROM came out last month.
On to donations... I have a donation link in my signature for people who wish to appreciate the amount of work/hours poured into creating custom WM ROMs. Just as my signature says, I never require monetary compensation, but I also accept whatever people give, because it allows me to improve my work. For example, I purchased WinCE CAB Creator with some of my donations, so that I could create CAB files of items removed from the ROM. I also maintain a Rapidshare Premium account so that I never have to delete any file uploaded to XDA. Another form of donation I received was web hosting on a fast server that provided an alternative to Rapidshare.
I've said all of this before, but it's been awhile, and I cannot find the post. In closing, I don't see anything wrong with the items you pointed out. We've had issues in the past with members who used donations as a way to obtain a piece of software (ROM or otherwise), and as soon as it was brought to our attention, it was dealt with.
As you guys now our phones' chance to get a full working CM is growing each day thanks to biel. But the main problem is he doesn't have our phone so he can only work with testers. This takes a lot of time cause he can't check what he did right after what he did.
He said that he is saving the money from the donations to Buy our phone. So I think there's a lot of people who has this phone and don't want to or can't sell it but they want to make it better. What if all of us donates* to him just 1 euro (or az he/she feels)? Or every person who asks "when ics and jb..?" Rememeber this is not a command to send money to biel. This is just and idea of how WE can help!
*His donation page: http://bieltv3.blogspot.com.es/p/donations.html
If you've done it maybe u can write in the comment section below or whatever if people will see this working they will join.
And just to be clear donating means give something NOT expecting to get back!
Really good idea of making this thread.....I will definately try to give my token of appreciation.....
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As Biel mentioned few times i think the people has done what they can. And posting a topic like this makes people more demanding. And if Biel cant make CM stable or without bugs. The people will start to shout i give money why dont you do it.
No offence but let people donate what they want when they want. Sorry if i seem like against this but i try to did best i can and dont want any extra pressure on Biel. Thanks.
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As Biel mentioned few times i think the people has done what they can. And posting a topic like this makes people more demanding. And if Biel cant make CM stable or without bugs. The people will start to shout i give money why dont you do it.
No offence but let people donate what they want when they want. Sorry if i seem like against this but i try to did best i can and dont want any extra pressure on Biel. Thanks.
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Thats why I cleared the concept of donation in the post. I understand your concern about biel i have it too, I tried to create the thread to make people understand that he is doing us a Favour and above the donation all we can do is to be Thankful for him nothing else He already made the job to deserve the donations!
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Thats why I cleared the concept of donation in the post. I understand your concern about biel i have it too, I tried to create the thread to make people understand that he is doing us a Favour and above the donation all we can do is to be Thankful for him nothing else He already made the job to deserve the donations!
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Yes you are right. But no one can control the thougts of people especially newbies and noobs. And my concern is if people starts to write abnormal then Biel or the ones helping CM lost their Will to work. Just saying....
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Yes you are right. But no one can control the thougts of people especially newbies and noobs. And my concern is if people starts to write abnormal then Biel or the ones helping CM lost their Will to work. Just saying....
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True, but maybe it can be the opposite too i mean for him to see how many people stands behind him. All of the danger you're telling is true I was thiking for weeks to create this thread. If it is going bad within a few days i delete my thread or whatever
Ok guys, first of all thanks for make this thread. You both are right, I mean, donations can be better for developing or worser. That depends on donators, they are donating me his money, because they think I'm doing a good work for free / to get the device.
Here it comes the misunderstandings: People usually think that, if they donate me some money, I work for him, so I must fix all bugs, release things when he want... and if not? They will argue against me.
Donators must now a few things, I think most of devs know, but not noob/newbies that donate to me. Improving CM is really dificult because of lack of sources, that won't change even if I have the device. So we maybe never get a 100% CM, but we can make a daily one, which that can be good challange.
Remember too, I'm from Galaxy Ace community, and I've my projects there too, CM 10.1 is my major one, so I can not abandon those projects just because a guy donate me the money. I think everyone could understand that.
I don't want to force people doanting me, donations are from people that appreciate my work, and they are voluntary! I'm not obligation anyone, and I won't do that ever. And if you donate, don't spect to be recompensed, maybe you won't, and that must be in your head while you are doanting me.
This thread for me is okey (as moderator asked me), but remeber if that causes some problems on me, or on XDA rules, this thread must be closed, but for now is okey.
Thanks, Biel.
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its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
I guess that everyone works with blood sweat and tears on their roms. Just have some patience...
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To be honest, very few number of people use this phone... Its not as popular as S3 or S2 (thats the main drawback of most mid range phones)
And out of all those users, only a very few number of people have knowledge about Android (aka the developers).... And since we're always busy with our lives, jobs, exams, classes, etc. So no one can give complete attention to all this...
Yes, after the JB update - this phone got a boost in a "Development" point of view... I mean we now have more ROMs, themes, Mods, etc... But i believe that all we need are more experienced developers (and users) to help the existing developers and contribute something to this phone's dev support...
As Shaaan said, we are all good at something... So why not form a team and utilize it for better and faster development process for this phone
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droidinsane said:
its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
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I would demand from you to learn to develop, and make all that betas to be final. How that sounds? You would do that in the speed of the light.
And please turn on the brain for little time and see that all those beta ROMs are mods of CM, that is in beta stage. And we do not have sources to fix all the bugs fast.
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^ What he said, if you can't wait for it, do it yourself.
Tired of this kind of people who can't contribute something other than demanding. Maybe if you can ''DONATE'' thats the least you can do rather than learning how to develop instead of posting nonsense. Ok? Just a suggestion bro.
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nobody is expecting to get something done with the speed of light ....i am just saying that if some project is started wait for the final version should not be this long and cm10.1 was started months ago still no final version then whats the point of starting new projects based on that... as far as time availability i concerned nobody is forcing anyone to start a new stuff and hang up in beta they have their own will to do that...and the one who is tired of people like me i would humbly request you to not comment rather you should contribute community needs you....commenting will make you feel tired...
that was an opinion if you are really hurt by that...please learn to look at things differently
This guy is real piece of work....
Do you even know what beta means ?? If devs hold on to the project until its final, how the hell would they get people to test it ???
As for how long a beta takes, you are in no position to demand anything. Dev's work for free to give you a better phone experience, if you want things done fast, grab a pile of you own money, pay a bunch of people to develop something for you. Whenever someone is doing free work for you, the right thing to do is keep you head down and be grateful that they even share their work with you for free.
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This guy is real piece of work....
Do you even know what beta means ?? If devs hold on to the project until its final, how the hell would they get people to test it ???
As for how long a beta takes, you are in no position to demand anything. Dev's work for free to give you a better phone experience, if you want things done fast, grab a pile of you own money, pay a bunch of people to develop something for you. Whenever someone is doing free work for you, the right thing to do is keep you head down and be grateful that they even share their work with you for free.
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so now you will tell me what beta means go mate you have more important work to do...
let this forum be what it should be...dont make it a ground for useless arguements...i had an opinion now dont be a teacher here,,
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nobody is expecting to get something done with the speed of light ....i am just saying that if some project is started wait for the final version should not be this long and cm10.1 was started months ago still no final version then whats the point of starting new projects based on that... as far as time availability i concerned nobody is forcing anyone to start a new stuff and hang up in beta they have their own will to do that...and the one who is tired of people like me i would humbly request you to not comment rather you should contribute community needs you....commenting will make you feel tired...
that was an opinion if you are really hurt by that...please learn to look at things differently
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How can you even expect CM10.1 to work. It's 4.2 based... damn...
And no one says you can't give your opinion, it's just the way you said it. With your post you insulted everyone trying to work on CM etc because according to YOU the development doesn't go as fast as you want.
And don't say: don't play teacher on me I just have an opinion. Because I AM a damn teacher and you need to be taught some patience...
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LOL to those who can't wait. Buy a new phone, more popular ones. Then enjoy it to your heart content. End of story.
There will be more beta's then there will be rc's before final version. If you can't wait, might as well consider buying other device. Your choice. No argument here
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its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
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Please delete this thread. The pointless character of it is beyond any measure.
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Too much fail in this thread
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Before I start saying anything and before anyone starts ranting or fighting or whatever I want to make one thing crispy clear: I don't want, under any circumstances, to fight or argue in any way with other developers, contributors, users, whatsoever nor do I want to claim anything as correct. I am anytime ready to accept it if I am proven wrong for anything. Show me a proof against what I said and I will accept it. I'm not claiming anything to be right what I'm saying, but as long as it is not proven wrong I'm assuming it is right. Of course some statements base on assumptions and guesses, hence there is no reason for ranting about something particular I said that I am not entirely sure of. I just want to get this out because it has been sitting inside of me for a while and this is the only way I can get it out without offending or insulting anyone.
A statement from my side regarding TWRP and ROMs for the OP5:
I have seen many device trees so far, and the "official" TWRP as well and I'm pretty disappointed to see people not wanting to work together. Of course there are exceptions, for example I have been working together with @benschhold and @gtpitch on TWRP as well as on ROMs and it has been a pretty good experience so far. But I have also seen @Dees_Troy releasing his own TWRP. I tried to contact him and whoever is behind TWRP earlier to get a working TWRP up and running and official. No response. At least I haven't seen anything. I am anytime ready to work together and build working stuff, but I'm not ready to see something that is exactly the same as I did (his TWRP literally has the same, if not more, issues than mine, as far as user reports have told us) and releases it as an official product which should have been tested and does not even fix the issues we have so far.
I know mine is unofficial and I have stated nowhere that this would be official but if you check the sources used for my recovery as well as take the user reports into consideration you will notice that none of the issues we currently have on the now latest recovery image, that is version 72, have been fixed in either mine or his recovery. I would have liked to work together with developers to build a stable, fully working custom recovery with as many parts of it totally free and open-sourced for anyone to inspect. Regarding authorship, I'm anytime ready to correct authors in case they are wrong. What I am not ready for is seeing others taking my work and putting it under their own authorship so that nobody will know about what I did and instead honor the non-existent work of others misleadingly causing the community to think I would have stolen the work from others.
As I already said, I am open to any corrections regarding this.
Another aspect is the custom ROM section. While it's all good and fine to see ROMs coming out for the OP5, none of these are actually stable and fully tested. They might have been flashed and booted up and roughly checked for functionality but not actually tested for quality (not claiming anything here). I really can see a race between ROMs, maybe even a war, everyone perhaps even stealing the work of each other and claiming to be first but of course saying it's super highly experimental and whatsoever.
Why is this happening? I know I have very low reputation for saying anything in this matter, even though I am lead developer and co-founder of a ROM. I don't want to claim that anyone stole my work, and I don't want to be showing examples as they might not even be right because some things can really be done by anyone without seeing what others did. But still, everyone is racing against each other, except for a few ROMs, and trying to say hey yo we brought this rom out for jellyburger super fast and we are the best... blablabla, whatsoever, make sure to decrypt, make sure not to do this not to do that, note this doesn't work.... I guess y'all get the point.
Why do people work against each other and not together? Just trying to be the best, the first, whatsoever? I mean it's cool when you are first and best but it's not cool pretending to be so and in reality just having taken a WIP tree from whatever github profile you just went on and saying your ROM is the first, while in reality you actually don't have any idea about what you are doing. Guys, really.... I appreciate when people do in fact help bringing up custom roms for the OP5, I admit that I also take advantage of that for building my own rom, but I also try to improve it, contribute to it, to make sure others have access to my work and using it without changing authorship. Of course many developers e. g. copy whole directories into their device tree instead of getting the whole commit history in, and, to some extent, that is more or less acceptable, because there is no really convenient way of doing so, but at least, when picking individual commits, do keep authorship. Thanks for your understanding and I hope this community does not become corrupted.
I'm open for a peaceful discussion in this thread, let's get it started!
Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q
nadejo said:
Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q
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Is not a bad beginning, but there actually is a dev group, so in case anyone wants to work together with each other, let me know. (Developers only)
Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
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Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
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Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.
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Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.
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The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:
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The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:
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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.
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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.
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The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.
MasterDomino said:
The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.
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Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.
xdvs23 said:
Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.
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tru dat.
DISCLAIMER* This is a VOLUNTARY Fundraising to help @33bca to buy a Redmi Note 8 to bring STABLE DEVELOPEMENT and AOSPA
You can already find all information here, and check the fundraising-status
https://telegra.ph/Fund-Raiser-for-33bca-For-Redmi-Note-8-Developement-02-01
You can donate:
UPI, Paytm(INDIA) : [email protected]
PayPal: paypal.me/nckm
WE HAVE REACHED OUR TARGET, THANKS TO ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO @B1||41DS
@33bca has worked on Many Xiaomi Devices before
He is the Official AOSPA(Paranoid) Developer https://gerrit.aospa.co/q/owner:fabian.leutenegger%40bluewin.ch
His github: https://github.com/33bca
and also a Recognized Developer over XDA
Guys our device is short of pro developer who can develop device tree so we talk to a pro developer and obviously if he develop then he needs the device, if the fundraiser succeds can do wonder to our device
Please I encourage entire community to take it seriously and contribute to make this a successful one.
We must safeguard our development for both Willow and ginkgo.
Here's my donation
https://i.imgur.com/esdcydJ.jpg
Pls do any possible donation there is no minimum limit.
The RN8 community actually took a poll in the telegram groups to confirm members voluntary intentions to crowdfund the device to the Dev, and feedback was overwhelming. As we all agree and accept this voluntary step is crucial to rapidly and effectively grow development for RN8 device, we the community don't just want ROM, or Kernels but Bugless as possible through a real recognized Dev who knows his code, to be safe, secured with open source ethics at heart. I will strongly recommend and advice others members to actively join this cause and make it a success
Remember; It is voluntary and we are not forcing anyone
It's just my opinion but, every donation will return to community ×100000 in the form of rock solid, vivid and high quality development. No need to rip off anyone's pockets, if we do this in a spirit of collectivity. Thus said, lets put our alm on this effort.
Everyone should contribute for this because it make our redmi note 8 more stable on development.
The crowd funding has been a successful one. Thanks to all who donated their hard earned money in this cause and a special thanks to @b1||41ds for making this contribution successful.
Don't want to be rude but is there any progress being made?
ridershahmir said:
The crowd funding has been a successful one. Thanks to all who donated their hard earned money in this cause and a special thanks to @b1||41ds for making this contribution successful.
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vojtah1 said:
Don't want to be rude but is there any progress being made?
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Regarding v development? Yes. Wip on trees.
does dev still need donations cuz i will donate 7 cad if fundraiser hasnt reached its goal yet. edit: i didnt read the title
I'm not on the Telegram groups, so what I say might be irrelevant/obsolete, but woud you guys consider doing the same thing with developer @Dyneteve, if they do not yet have a willow or ginkgo device? I for one would be happy to contribute, as many kernel/device trees I've been looking at seem to come (more or less directly) from some of their work, and they're anyhow thanked in many ROMs I've been using.
What a successful fundraising it was ^^. I wanted to ask though are there now more chances for cameras to be fixed in android 10?
Thanks!
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I'm not on the Telegram groups, so what I say might be irrelevant/obsolete, but woud you guys consider doing the same thing with developer @Dyneteve, if they do not yet have a willow or ginkgo device? I for one would be happy to contribute, as many kernel/device trees I've been looking at seem to come (more or less directly) from some of their work, and they're anyhow thanked in many ROMs I've been using.
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He got the ginkgo as a donation from billiads.
Very well.
Is there any other key developer who currently lacks a device?
May I ask who has the device @ridershahmir ?
vojtah1 said:
May I ask who has the device @ridershahmir ?
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We don't know, according to 33bca he shipped the device to the new Dev but the new Dev didn't get the device yet,