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Sign for Project treble for the oneplus 5t!!!! change.org.

Hello everyone,
As i am sure you're aware, Oneplus recently told the public that they weren't going to support project treble with their devices. This only concerns the oneplus 5t but maybe with a bit of luck and community support, they shall do the same for their other devices on oreo.
Let's hope this works!!
https://www.change.org/p/carl-pei-we...ail_responsive

And we have yet another thread for this ...
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It's dead. They will never give treble for actual devices. That already said that they just can't because treble need 2 data partitions and actual OnePlus devices have only one, they said an OTA update to make this is possible but there is a risk to brick the device so they cancelled treble development. Only OnePlus 6 and futures phones will include this.

Bryandu13 said:
It's dead. They will never give treble for actual devices. That already said that they just can't because treble need 2 data partitions and actual OnePlus devices have only one, they said an OTA update to make this is possible but there is a risk to brick the device so they cancelled treble development. Only OnePlus 6 and futures phones will include this.
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They can live with about 10-15 threads asking for Treble from ppl without even understanding what is needed for it, but they don't wanna have 2395482 threads of ppl who killed their phone via OTA, seems legit for me.

Treble is nice and all, but TBH we're gonna be just fine without it. OnePlus devices are very popular in dev community and use very common internals so updating shouldn't be an issue. Just look at how far people brought the original Galaxy S, a phone that shipped with 2.1 Eclair! Treble is far more important for mid-range and low-end, less popular devices - the ones which usually get forgotten soon after launch.
Tl;dr: we'll survive. I'm sure OP3/T and 5/T will be among the first to get LineageOS 16 even without Treble.
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Oh come on they dont have a partition bro, may be there next devices will support it

Devices that don't have a separate Vendor partition will not have treble enabled. No need for any Petition etc
Until OnePlus ship a device with a vendor partition there won't be treble

Current X4 models to get treble support.?

So today Motorola India launched a new variant of X4 in India. Bumping the RAM from 3 & 4 GB to 6GB with same 64GB storage.
The main highlight is the phone comes with Oreo out of box and it supports Treble..
Now see what Motorola has to say about new X4 Variant -
There don't seem to be any other differences but the RAM amount, and the fact that the handset ships with Oreo by default. Motorola does say that there are a few interface tweaks pertinent to the fresh X4, but the other models will eventually get them, too. After that the key difference will be the extra 2GB of RAM.
So what is Motorola is talking here abt that the older models will eventually get it..? Is it the treble support.?

If they don't enable treble on the original moto x4, they will be loosing out on many potential customers who care about the latest updates and ROMs. I think that not enabling treble will be a huge mistake on Motorola's part. I'm also starting to get annoyed with the huge market catering to India...

Honestly, I think there's 0 chance it will happen, sorry.

Do you guys think its possible to flash the stock rom from a new moto x4 to an old one ? That could be a way to enable treble for the "old" devices

harry_martini said:
Do you guys think its possible to flash the stock rom from a new moto x4 to an old one ? That could be a way to enable treble for the "old" devices
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I am curious to take a look at the firmware from this device. Does anyone have it?
No one should hold their breath for a "Treble Update" from Motorola... it may require repartitioning the device and doing that via OTA would be quite a challenge and be too risky for them.
That said, I would still like to see the vendor/HAL implementation, and especially check out partitioning. From an efficiency/cost standpoint it would be surprising to see any major differences in structure since that would require Motorola to have a dev team just for one new variant.
But even if the devices are identical that does not mean we could simply flash the Treble firmware. There would seem to be an intermediate step that would require partitioning. It may be beyond the scope of our existing tools. These may be changes that could only be made with Motorola proprietary software.
But an interesting development, nonetheless...

Just did a little reading, and it seems that the hardware IS different than the original X4...specifically the SoC which is SDM636 running custom Kyro architecture vs. our SDM630

mightysween said:
Just did a little reading, and it seems that the hardware IS different than the original X4...specifically the SoC which is SDM636 running custom Kyro architecture vs. our SDM630
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where did u read that..?
The only difference is extra 2gb ram and Oreo out of box.
here is the product page, check for yourself..
https://www.flipkart.com/moto-x4-super-black-64-gb/p/itmez9u3cgg9zfy2?pid=MOBFF6GGPJYKGQCK&sattr=color&sattr=storage&sattr=ram&st=ram

Jithin91 said:
where did u read that..?
The only difference is extra 2gb ram and Oreo out of box.
here is the product page, check for yourself..
https://www.flipkart.com/moto-x4-su...CK&sattr=color&sattr=storage&sattr=ram&st=ram
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Read it here on XDA
https://www.xda-developers.com/new-motorola-moto-x4-variant-india-february-1/

mightysween said:
Read it here on XDA
https://www.xda-developers.com/new-motorola-moto-x4-variant-india-february-1/
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it was a rumour. x4 6gb version is still having sdm630.

kraatus90 said:
it was a rumour. x4 6gb version is still having sdm630.
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Excellent... can't wait to see under the hood

I don't think so, but it IS possible.
When Oreo came out, it was important for Motorola to update their phones quickly to Oreo;
in order to look good compared to other brands.
Implementing Treble would take more time; but once implemented would make it easier for them to provide faster security updates in the future.
So it's a possibility that the next security update in january or february, may include Treble.
The moto X4 is due to receive Security updates until April 2019, so Treble might make sense to Motorola.
But there's definately no way to know for sure.

But isn't 6 GB just a variant of Moto x4, so probably it also doesn't have project treble enabled.

Jithin91 said:
So today Motorola India launched a new variant of X4 in India. Bumping the RAM from 3 & 4 GB to 6GB with same 64GB storage.
The main highlight is the phone comes with Oreo out of box and it supports Treble..
Now see what Motorola has to say about new X4 Variant -
There don't seem to be any other differences but the RAM amount, and the fact that the handset ships with Oreo by default. Motorola does say that there are a few interface tweaks pertinent to the fresh X4, but the other models will eventually get them, too. After that the key difference will be the extra 2GB of RAM.
So what is Motorola is talking here abt that the older models will eventually get it..? Is it the treble support.?
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I am also sad seeing such slow development on X4 not much roms, not official or unofficial treble support!, still being Android one device is so sad and bad!
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mightysween said:
I am curious to take a look at the firmware from this device. Does anyone have it?
No one should hold their breath for a "Treble Update" from Motorola... it may require repartitioning the device and doing that via OTA would be quite a challenge and be too risky for them.
That said, I would still like to see the vendor/HAL implementation, and especially check out partitioning. From an efficiency/cost standpoint it would be surprising to see any major differences in structure since that would require Motorola to have a dev team just for one new variant.
But even if the devices are identical that does not mean we could simply flash the Treble firmware. There would seem to be an intermediate step that would require partitioning. It may be beyond the scope of our existing tools. These may be changes that could only be made with Motorola proprietary software.
But an interesting development, nonetheless...
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I am very sad seeing such slow development on X4 not much roms, not official or unofficial treble support!, still being Android one device is so sad and bad!

The slow development is because of the A/B partition scheme, if you look other phones that uses the same partition system it'll be the same, it's Google "fault".

Last I checked, all devices running Oreo have to have Treble. That is why everyone was mad at HTC for shipping new phones with Nougat.It especially makes sense for the Android One variant because the have to get timely updates out, which they have. It would be off for the 6gb to have it and no others because Google requires every

project treble compatibility for Moto G5 S

Today it has been announced in the XDA that redmi Note 4 got its project treble compatibility and it is a full project treble compatibility.
So when is Moto G5 s going to receive any kind of project treble compatibility but I think that it is relative the easier than the Xiaomi devices because it has all the resources available and I don't think there is any kind of heavy modification from the Motorola side as Xiaomi

But motorola does not offer enough sources to enable trebel i think..

What is project treble anyway, care to explain?
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jdesignz said:
What is project treble anyway, care to explain?
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Google can explain, but don't expect anything for this device. It's good for the future, but this device is in the past.

jdesignz said:
What is project treble anyway, care to explain?
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There's an additional abstraction layer / API between the OS and the hardware drivers,
that make it easier to update the Android OS across different vendors with the same chipset (SoC) and hardware features (and long-term probably also across newer Android and Kernel versions, not sure though)
In essence you should be able to run an AOSP build from e.g. Huawei on Sony phones, LG, etc. as long as the components are the same,
meaning: e.g. phone calling, WiFi, etc. all should be working out of the box after installing that, camera and specific features (e.g. dedicated sound DAC) might be a different story though and require adjustments (not sure how that is realized in detail with Treble)
The thing with Project Treble is that it has to be considered right from the start, meaning there need to be (2 ?) additional partitions for updates available:
Partition A (current),
Partition B (new)
So that means for existing device it would involve re-partitioning and/or adding additional partitions to make a device Project Treble "ready",
which is practically impossible since this cannot be achieved with OTA updates.
I've read that older Huawei (or other vendor, Xiaomi ?) has this experimentally added (community ?) but this would require TWRP and/or custom manual intervention through recovery
and most people aren't able to do this - so it's unrealistic that existing device without Project Trouble could be "upgraded", retrofitted through that means
that's at least the superficial level that I got to understand from the discussion from other Sony devs
Hope that helps

Anything that can be developed for this phone have to be figured out very fast because Moto is going to release the G6 family very soon and as you know that once a new family gets released the older family gets less attention and gradually dies over the time and sadly I can see that there are no dedicated developers for this phone so the community has to take the responsibility to do anything possible for this phone as soon as possible.

Support of RR remix

Somebody tried reguest support of some custom rom ? I try it right now.

najjannajS650 said:
Somebody tried reguest support of some custom rom ? I try it right now.
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Nothing will do it, first you need a working TWRP, secondly you need a dev that would do active support. Forget about it, Moto G6 (ALI) has no developers interest in this phone model.

kemoti said:
Nothing will do it, first you need a working TWRP, secondly you need a dev that would do active support. Forget about it, Moto G6 (ALI) has no developers interest in this phone model.
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The G6 has been out since just May, what are you talking about? Most people in the Moto G series had G5S+'s where there's a **** load of development for and decided that the G6 wasn't enough of an upgrade for them to make the change, but there will always be a potential for new Devs to come to a device. I'll take this over to Android Forums for all I care and crowd source over there, there's always been a desire from up and coming Devs to work on low end phones over there, I bet anything someone will be willing to Dev on a donate device, especially a mid range.

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The G6 has been out since just May, what are you talking about? Most people in the Moto G series had G5S+'s where there's a **** load of development for and decided that the G6 wasn't enough of an upgrade for them to make the change, but there will always be a potential for new Devs to come to a device. I'll take this over to Android Forums for all I care and crowd source over there, there's always been a desire from up and coming Devs to work on low end phones over there, I bet anything someone will be willing to Dev on a donate device, especially a mid range.
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Treble GSI's are the future for our phone. i already had RR booting and working with the official GSI available on the project treble forums. TWRP works, it just needs some kinks worked out before the broad public uses (have to wipe data to put files on internal memory, and some people have had success with forceencrypt/dm verity disabling)

Dadud said:
Treble GSI's are the future for our phone. i already had RR booting and working with the official GSI available on the project treble forums. TWRP works, it just needs some kinks worked out before the broad public uses (have to wipe data to put files on internal memory, and some people have had success with forceencrypt/dm verity disabling)
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Just for sake of discussion, doesn't Treble offer less feature implementation when it comes to actual device hardware to software "connectivity" [for lack of a better word] in other words little hardware side things that could be tweaked by the user with CyanogenMod builds per say?

Causical said:
Just for sake of discussion, doesn't Treble offer less feature implementation when it comes to actual device hardware to software "connectivity" [for lack of a better word] in other words little hardware side things that could be tweaked by the user with CyanogenMod builds per say?
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im not exactly sure what you mean by that but i assume any hardware issues (i've really only noticed some bugginess with bluetooth audio) can be fixed with a custom system image based on an official GSI.

Dadud said:
im not exactly sure what you mean by that but i assume any hardware issues (i've really only noticed some bugginess with bluetooth audio) can be fixed with a custom system image based on an official GSI.
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Yeah, right...I meant like more system side like deeply modified frameworks and stuff and things that have been modded in the system like tweaks to things like active or "live display" or whatever. Other things like how notification LED functions and tweaks to the make camera actions snappier...I know there's more...I guess a better way to describe it is things that Xposed would do, but built into a ROM. Treble isn't enabling those things is it? Since it's just a software update that's entirely parallel to a phones hardware?

Thanks, that is what I want to hear ?

Good to know some of you were able to boot GSI's already. I maintain RR for another Moto device. Once I get the bootloader unlocked, I'll work towards getting us up and running with RR

What model is the best for ROM's and such?

So... SO many models floating around the web. Which one is the best for custom stuff such as ROMs and what not?
XT1925-2? Or..?

Locklear308 said:
So... SO many models floating around the web. Which one is the best for custom stuff such as ROMs and what not?
XT1925-2? Or..?
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None, given Android Pie is confirmed for the G6 models, people are staying away from developing ROMs.

SB581240 said:
None, given Android Pie is confirmed for the G6 models, people are staying away from developing ROMs.
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I apologize, I don't quite follow what you mean.... So are you saying because it's going to get pie that it's basically useless as a phone for custom roms? That just doesn't make any sense to me

Locklear308 said:
I apologize, I don't quite follow what you mean.... So are you saying because it's going to get pie that it's basically useless as a phone for custom roms? That just doesn't make any sense to me
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Just when I thought I was succinct. No one is building any ROM for this phone as of now. And many people who are holding this phone would likely not switch to a custom ROM because Android Pie would come soon, as soon as this fall. Please do not hold me for either statement, you being a senior member, you may be more knowledgeable about these things.

theres not enough dev support for any g6 device plain an simple if you cant tell by looking through the threads on here. the only one that has had even the tiniest bit of support is the g6+and thats just the most barebones stuff. tbh your best bet would the moto e5 or something i gave up on the g6 play and got a z2 force. i still have the g6 play if you know any devices interested in it

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theres not enough dev support for any g6 device plain an simple if you cant tell by looking through the threads on here. the only one that has had even the tiniest bit of support is the g6+and thats just the most barebones stuff. tbh your best bet would the moto e5 or something i gave up on the g6 play and got a z2 force. i still have the g6 play if you know any devices interested in it
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Ugh, I hate when they focus on the crap devices... why is it so hard to get away from crapoled and have even bare rom support?

The G6+ is just waiting for a dev to get the device. The funds were raised through donations and the device is on its way to India to the dev.
As for the "barebones" comment we have Los 15.1. That's android 8.1. Our devices ship with 8.0 and Moto has not released 8.1 and may skip right to Android 9(P/Pie). The Los rom we have is fully functional and working aside from Bluetooth calling. After flashing Los 15.1 you can then flash Gsi files which are generic system images. This will probably be the successor to roms imo. With Gsi you can flash Android P in a variety of flavors but beware of additional bugs as Pie has only just been official for a month roughly. So yes you could somewhat consider this barebones, I suppose, because Los15.1 had laid the ground work to where other roms could be ported with out much effort.
The g6+ will probably never have a huge variety of roms but atleast we have been promised los16 which should open enough doors to make an impact.
Tl;Dr the g6+ is the only G6 model with a dev. Dev will be receiving g6+ in a week or two(due to international shipping from the US to Indiana). We will get los16. Get a g6+ and be patient but forget the G6 and G6 Play variants.
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Oh and Los16/Pie for Evert/g6+ will probably be released tomorrow.
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