Hi I've just got a Amazon fire 5th gen but didn't realise how bloated it is and no Google play store ive been looking on the web and seen a few things where people have got rid of Amazon and made it to a Google tab can this be done on mine my version is 5 6.0.0 really want rid of the Amazon and Google on with cm12 on
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Hi I've just got a Amazon fire 5th gen but didn't realise how bloated it is and no Google play store ive been looking on the web and seen a few things where people have got rid of Amazon and made it to a Google tab can this be done on mine my version is 5 6.0.0 really want rid of the Amazon and Google on with cm12 on
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FireOS 5.6 can not be rooted or rolled back to a rootable build which is a prerequisite for installing a custom ROM. The Google Play Store can be installed with a few limitations here. Spend a little time looking through existing threads on this forum rather than starting a new one. All common questions have be asked and answered many times.
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I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
What about different roms?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I'm also very interested in how you would dual boot CM10.1 and the original Kindle Fire HD 7" OS. I have read somewhere that for now, that's the only way you can use the Amazon apps (due to the above cited Amazon ecosystem). I have TWRP and the 2nd bootloader, but haven't found any threads on dual booting different ROMs.
Dual Booting?
Too bad.
I am running the N2A OS on my 7" KFHD. Mostly a satisfactory experience, but I would like to have the ability the read borrowed books from my Amazon Prime account on it, and also to play Amazon Prime videos. Unfortunately, Amazon has not seen fit to allows either of these to be done on an Android tablet, only on the Kindles (borrowed books) and Kindle Fire tablets.
I have not seen any indication that they are planning to change their policy with respect to these permissions - dual booting would be a great solution.
I have tried the workaround for the Amazon videos (installing Adobe Flash), but have found the results to be less then satisfactory.
Similarly, I tried rooting my Kindle Fire HD and installing Google Play, but found that I was getting repeating Google Framework has stopped messages, and another message as well.
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Follow this link if you can find any solution http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551661
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Looks like hashcode had done it with safestrap, but it's no longer available for Kindle Fire.Link
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
Dan Miller said:
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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Short answer: no.
You're not missing anything. Many (if not MOST) posts are extremely ambiguous about which hardware is being reference (Kindle, Kindle 2, HD, HD 2, HDX) then there's the size variations. Just the other day I asked a very similar question.
What I can tell you to look for is the firmware version number referenced because that is a great indicator of what's intended. Combine that with other hints and you can usually tell pretty well. For example, Kinde Fire HD could mean the 2012[ish] model that will be running 7.x firmware. The 2013 Kindle Fire HDs will be running 11.x now (if they're updated and as of when I'm posting this). That's the next major clue, look at when the post was made because that likely refers to the generation of device if it's a ROM/HACK (as opposed to inquiry). Firmware names tend to have the hardware nick-name in them too which can help also.
Personally, if I posted something hardware dependent I would provide my model #, year/month purchased, firmware version, model name (HD, HDX) and size.
Blame Amazon for being ridiculous with their product names.
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I too wish the Kindle names were less ambiguous. Moving forward, i would like to see new threads specify 2012 or 2013 models. I keep clicking on thread after thread hoping that somewhere a Cyanogenmod or other ROM has been found to work on the 2013/SOHO KFHD, but keep going in circles.
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
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LinearEquation said:
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
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I appreciate the quick reply. Now i can rest finally knowing there is nothing more i can do with it for now. Wait...nevermind..now i have to start trying to hack my OUYA lol
Lmfao. stuck developers
Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
no
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Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
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Nope.
You can get some of the look of Marshmallow by loading the Nova launcher onto the Fire 7.
Root the Fire 7 with RootJunky's SuperTool and install the Nova launcher with one of the SuperTool options. One of the feature options of the Nova launcher is Marshmallow style icons. In Nova launcher go to Nova Settings, Look & feel, Icon theme, Marshmallow Android 6.0.
Don't fix what isn't broken. If you look through the latest history of custom v6 roms, they're rife with installation bugs and google apps barely works. Just stick with the latest CM 5, it works great with not much room for improvement for a casual user like me.
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yep - with you there on custom ROMs. Nothing wrong with FireOS for the target audience and desired consumer behavior. Easy to use and presents Amazon's various stores front and center. No one would be complaining there was a different core OS under the covers.
I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.
mc_gamer_16 said:
I was wondering if it was possible to install android on my Kindle Fire 7. I bought it on prime day because of the huge discount off the already cheap price.
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This is the wrong Forum Section for this. You should look here https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire
BE VERY CAREFUL!!! New bootloaders on the "Amazon Fire 7" have caused people to end up bricking their device when trying to put the custom ROM on it. Read all the guides in the Q&A section and do not do anything until you are well informed. I think you may end up having to use something called FlashFire if your device has a rootable version of Android on it.
What can be done on a fire 5th gen running 5.6.0.1?
Just pulled mine out and it updated. From my understanding I can't remove bloat, have root, or block ota updates but I can install google play store. How accurate am I?
You can downgrade and "debloat" if that's your cup of tea. Can also install the Google Play store and related services and possibly a different launcher. See the XDA forum for this device for further info.
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/fire-7-2017-7th-gen-downgrade-debloat-t3699937
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/how-to-install-google-play-store-fire-t3486603
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/launcher-root-launcher-hijack-v2-t3561026
Thanks for the reply Davey126, but the first link you provided is a for a 7th gen Fire. Does this downgrade also work for 5th gen Fires? I too am looking for a root option for my 5th gen 5.6.0.1 (whether it be root or downgrade and root), but have been unsuccessful in my research. The general consensus I've seen in various forums is that this can't be done with the 5th gens on 5.6.0.1. I hope this isn't the case...
Agreed. Pretty good chance Amazon incorporated a bootloader update in the 5.6.x.x update for 5th gen devices which would yield a non-recoverable brick if rolled back to 5.4.x.x. Regardless, root is NOT an option for 5th gen devices that have updated beyond 5.3.2.0. Your best option IMHO is to enjoy the device as-is possibly enhanced with the Google Play store. You may have seen root is available for 7th gen HD 10 models running FireOS 5.6 but that device uses a different hardware architecture. A root exploit is highly unlikely for 5th-7th gen devices using the older architecture (including Fire, Fire 7, HD 8 and some HD 10 varients).
I use launcher hijacker And Nova Looks Like a Normal Tablet Now