Lightroom hdr cam trums gcam! - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers

Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try adobe lightrooms cam out with HDR enabled. Skip the gcam hype.

favvomannen said:
Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try it out. Skip the gcam hype.
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Samples or examples please

https://s.amsu.ng/zuCGxIISsxVN
Just one example zoomed in. This was at night. Much more dnr dynamic range with lightroom cam.
Even more pronounced in daylight though. But test it for yourelf. The image file is 40mb un edited. Any serious photographer on any phone should use the lightroom cam from now on.

favvomannen said:
https://s.amsu.ng/zuCGxIISsxVN
Just one example zoomed in. This was at night. Much more dnr dynamic range with lightroom cam.
Even more pronounced in daylight though. But test it for yourelf. The image file is 40mb un edited. Any serious photographer on any phone should use the lightroom cam from now on.
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Some proof lightroom camera totally BLOWS google camera away
https://s.amsu.ng/0NNCM4jQVwxN
https://s.amsu.ng/zo7Lsb2sTsIN
These are max zoom ins. And not even in any hard hdr scenario. In a scenario where hdr is needed the lightroom camera is even more overpowered.

Looks impressive. Cheers.
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App link?

Just go into playstore and search for and download
"Adobe lightroom".
Now there would be nice to compair the pixel2 and the note8 with both cams using lightroom hdr camera to really se what phone takes the best pics.

favvomannen said:
Just go into playstore and search for and download
"Adobe lightroom".
Now there would be nice to compair the pixel2 and the note8 with both cams using lightroom hdr camera to really se what phone takes the best pics.
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Have you compared it against Open camera? With settings all the way up.

Nick216ohio said:
Have you compared it against Open camera? With settings all the way up.
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No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
- i just tried it! Amazing! BUT SLOW. alot slower than lightroom. Tomorrow i will compair it with lightroom for quality. Sad the final hdr picture from open camera isnt in RAW format. I will post back on details of quality in 24 hrs.

favvomannen said:
No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
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Search Open Camera on play store. It has a blue icon.

favvomannen said:
No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
- i just tried it! Amazing! BUT SLOW. alot slower than lightroom. Tomorrow i will compair it with lightroom for quality. Sad the final hdr picture from open camera isnt in RAW format. I will post back on details of quality in 24 hrs.
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Open camera has raw format.

Nick216ohio said:
Open camera has raw format.
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Yeah but no raw format for the hdr image using hdr function. Lightroom does hdr out of raw files whereas im thinking lr cam is better. But ofc we need to test.

I just tested lowlight.
1. Lightroom preserves more detail and more dnr
2. Opencamera hdr is more compressed ie less detail but less noise. (You could still do manual nrd on lr)
3. No majour differences but a minor plus for the LR cam. LR cam is also quicker.
summary. Lightroom is best. Its quick and gives a bit better quality due to rawfiles in its hdr compaired to opencamera.

Example. Lr on the right. Quite alot more detail zoomed in very much. Opencamera gets very muddy and there is no way you can see each tile on the house.
https://s.amsu.ng/HgzXRdgG8YwN

Hello,
I want to use the ported version of the Gcam on my Galaxy J5(2017) with Android 7.0 and Exynos 7870 Octa. Can someone help me with an Android 7.0 version of this port?
Thank you.

muzsielod said:
Hello,
I want to use the ported version of the Gcam on my Galaxy J5(2017) with Android 7.0 and Exynos 7870 Octa. Can someone help me with an Android 7.0 version of this port?
Thank you.
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your clearly asking in the wrong thread... use the search button, there are threads about this in the apps and themes forum... it mi9ght be the best place to start...

favvomannen said:
Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try adobe lightrooms cam out with HDR enabled. Skip the gcam hype.
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What about the portrait mode in Lightroom, most of the people use GCam only for its exceptional portrait mode option!

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Can anyone test if this gcam works well on x2 pro

I am about to purchase this phone, but counting on the use of GCAM because the native of these Chinese does not always do a good job, today I saw that the parrot has released an AWB support version for samsung sensors present on this phone. Can anyone test and tell me if this version really works on the phone?
https://mega.nz/#!aaRCja5S!a958H-jkCfZ7yiof8LmoRBZz-rZeTVtqjU6dQVBraaU
(It's a official release present on his telegram.)
I am a bit new. What should i test??
sytayeth said:
I am a bit new. What should i test??
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Only if works great on the phone, photo, night sight and portrait in rear and selfie cameras haha. In AWB mode have the option for this samsung main sensor, GW1 if i remember.
This is quite good. Does he have any recommendations for settings?
salespalace said:
This is quite good. Does he have any recommendations for settings?
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Can you post some samples against the native? Configs it's activate hdr+ and use 32 frames in advanced settings and setting the pixel awb mod to Samgun GW1
For a first test, everything is working except the slow motion. It forces closing.
Can't install it (global rom)
Edit : work after uninstall gcam 6.1...
- can't select more than 26 frames HDR+ enhanced (with more, no photo)
- can't use "sabre" (crash)
- you can select awb Samsung but I can't see better quality with it.
Finally, I prefer 6.1 gcam at this time
lutherkingmartin said:
Can't install it (global rom)
Edit : work after uninstall gcam 6.1...
- can't select more than 26 frames HDR+ enhanced (with more, no photo)
- can't use "sabre" (crash)
- you can select awb Samsung but I can't see better quality with it.
Finally, I prefer 6.1 gcam at this time
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can you post the link for working 6.1?
chilavert_gr said:
can you post the link for working 6.1?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJf9SeQnh5c
thats correct, above 26 frames does not work. I would still say the above youtube link app is better than this ever so slightly
salespalace said:
thats correct, above 26 frames does not work. I would still say the above youtube link app is better than this ever so slightly
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Can you show some samples of this two version of gcam and the native, it's good to our see the results and compare.
Here you go
1st photos of each is the gcam, 2nd is stock
Gcam has hdr enhanced
Stock is aldo hdr
I find the gcam to produce much more accurate colours to what i see in real life. And has better depth. Whereas the stock tries to smooth out everything
The problem with Gcam is that currently it works only for the main camera and the front one...
salespalace said:
Here you go
1st photos of each is the gcam, 2nd is stock
Gcam has hdr enhanced
Stock is aldo hdr
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Thanks man, already made a purchase of mine realme x2 pro 12gb/256gb.
rosztrade said:
The problem with Gcam is that currently it works only for the main camera and the front one...
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You already try the urnyx version ? if works you can use telephoto and ultra wide.
https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/cfiles/gcm1/GCam_7.2.010_Urnyx05-v1.4.apk
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https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/cfiles/gcm1/GCam_7.2.010_Urnyx05-v1.4.apk
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This gcam is not very good for x2 pro. The photos are very bland and all color, saturation and others options do nothing when you change it.
Hi,
Can't find any GCAM that support tele and wide lens...
Hope that the Indian Release will give visibility to this awesome device.

Pixel_x_camara_[buffer_fix]_[no_root]_[stable]_[g90_series]

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PIXEL CAM X 2.0
*Buffer Fix (No root)
*Most all features Working
Camara Link-- https://www.mediafire.com/file/gxh3hkih1m5or73/PixelCam_X_2.0.apk/file
XML File Link -_ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AmLFJbiaj-hRtKPXT9HYhM71ANv88PkX/view?usp=drivesdk
*ABOUT XML FiLe
Changelog
For use in --- Pixelcam X v3
By @tiago_Uzai and @bigas2
Good colors;
A little saturated;
Nice sharpness;
Minimal noise.
Save XML in folder Pixelcam/X.
Thread Posted [email protected]
Finally a good working Google camera
Problem with the camera
It says this application cant be installed on your device (REALME 6).?
Can I use this for pixel cam 3.0?
Destiny97 said:
Can I use this for pixel cam 3.0?
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Sure dude
arvaaz said:
Sure dude
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First of all thank you for this gcam, perfectly working.
I try it but I can only capture video, other mods give me black screen.
Anandyadav1860 said:
It says this application cant be installed on your device (REALME 6).
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Uninstall GoogleCamera first.
I think the link for apk is broken
Tjim02 said:
I think the link for apk is broken
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Reversed
This camera has only maximum 16:9 - 8 mp photos resolution. It is bad, when our phone has 16 mp camera
Teribble gcam
wenna.speedy said:
Teribble gcam
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Why ?
UniqueUral said:
This camera has only maximum 16:9 - 8 mp photos resolution. It is bad, when our phone has 16 mp camera
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No is frame
After all Gcams Apk.....this is the best for mu RM 6s
After all Gcams Apk.....this is the best for mu RM 6s
This is probably the best balanced GCam out there. Photos come out very detailed and sharp. Colours aren't overexposed. Needs very little tweak to get it work as you like. And most of all, the buffer fix is just awesome. Not only does it take better balanced photos than almost all of the GCams I've ever tried, it also fixes the ViewFinder lag. This is literally the go-to GCam for all users.
Though, the Night Sight and Photo Booth doesn't work. That's just the only two things to watch out for. Other than that, it's literally the best GCam for Realme 6 for now. 5/5
givesandwich said:
This is probably the best balanced GCam out there. Photos come out very detailed and sharp. Colours aren't overexposed. Needs very little tweak to get it work as you like. And most of all, the buffer fix is just awesome. Not only does it take better balanced photos than almost all of the GCams I've ever tried, it also fixes the ViewFinder lag. This is literally the go-to GCam for all users.
Though, the Night Sight and Photo Booth doesn't work. That's just the only two things to watch out for. Other than that, it's literally the best GCam for Realme 6 for now. 5/5
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Did your photos also has a black bar on the left side? Is there any fix to this bug? Thanks.
maxbeat93 said:
Did your photos also has a black bar on the left side? Is there any fix to this bug? Thanks.
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I don't have any black bar on the left side of the photo. Tested by taking pictures in the same spot using 3 different camera apps.
I can't open video mode . Is there someway to fix it?
givesandwich said:
This is probably the best balanced GCam out there. Photos come out very detailed and sharp. Colours aren't overexposed. Needs very little tweak to get it work as you like. And most of all, the buffer fix is just awesome. Not only does it take better balanced photos than almost all of the GCams I've ever tried, it also fixes the ViewFinder lag. This is literally the go-to GCam for all users.
Though, the Night Sight and Photo Booth doesn't work. That's just the only two things to watch out for. Other than that, it's literally the best GCam for Realme 6 for now. 5/5
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Yes, agreed with you ;-)
Great Camera app btw but For me, the after applying the config the clicking on the other cameras is crashing the app is there any way to fix this?

Question Defect or normal - ultra wide raw quality

Hi, bought the phone 2 days ago, because it's not with 888, it's not with curved display and has a ultra wide camera with AF and macro capabilities with raw support.
To my surprise, the quality of the raw file from the ultra wide is worse than from the periscope - there are some strange bright dots when you zoom in to 100%, which lead to overall bad quality of the ready image. I guess they are the phase focus pixels, but they shouldn't be visible without any heavy editing.
So, is it just me, or the problem is global, so I know how to proceed with this? I'm leaving a crop depicting the problem.
Are you sure the ultra wide angle has AF? but yeah it looks weird...
Qidamin said:
Are you sure the ultra wide angle has AF? but yeah it looks weird...
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That's why I chose this phone, for the af of the ultra wide.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere but as you have the phone you should know it better than me!
bo6o said:
That's why I chose this phone, for the af of the ultra wide.
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You are right, the Edge 20 review on GSMArena mentions the AF for wide angle. A good thing, but it's strange that the ultra wide angle pictures seem a bit blurry then. Did you try with Gcam?
Not yet.
Qidamin said:
You are right, the Edge 20 review on GSMArena mentions the AF for wide angle. A good thing, but it's strange that the ultra wide angle pictures seem a bit blurry then. Did you try with Gcam?
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Tried gcam, same story...
Which Gcam version you use? Try enabling Sabre and see if it makes a difference.
I tried the latest bsg, but removed it, cause the results weren't satisfactory or better than using the stock app as a real camera.
bo6o said:
I tried the latest bsg, but removed it, cause the results weren't satisfactory or better than using the stock app as a real camera.
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Hey did you manage to solve this issue? Any suggestions for the lackluster RAW outputs from the stock camera app??
The battle is legendary. Still no success defeating the defect. If it is a demozaicing problem, Motorola should fix it.
bo6o said:
The battle is legendary. Still no success defeating the defect. If it is a demozaicing problem, Motorola should fix it.
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THanks for the reply. I wonder how happy you are overall with the cameras? I've found that the front facing one is quite dark and has WB issues. In general the photos coming out of the stock camera seem riddled with artifacts and oversharpened.
sazinas said:
THanks for the reply. I wonder how happy you are overall with the cameras? I've found that the front facing one is quite dark and has WB issues. In general the photos coming out of the stock camera seem riddled with artifacts and oversharpened.
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Camera Is great as I see in reviews from owners and websites .
I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
fire159 said:
Camera Is great as I see in reviews from owners and websites .
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I actually own it. Reviews and (average) owners don't understand what we're talking about. Some offence.
bo6o said:
I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
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I hate the selfie cam and when video calling tho.... I look like a waterpainting and tanned
sazinas said:
I hate the selfie cam and when video calling tho.... I look like a waterpainting and tanned
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Learn to make your own jpg and you'll be able to see the dirt in your wrinkles on the selfies.
bo6o said:
I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
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Have you try Google cam ?
fire159 said:
Have you try Google cam ?
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Answered already here. Jpg from phones and actual cameras suck. The raw from gcam is also worse than using the phone as a real camera. Here's an example, learn photography if you expect miracles from a tiny sensor...
bo6o said:
Answered already here. Jpg from phones and actual cameras suck. The raw from gcam is also worse than using the phone as a real camera. Here's an example, learn photography if you expect miracles from a tiny sensor...
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Hasli's LMC Google camera mod seems to be working better with the wide angle cam (no artifacts)

Question Best GCam For Edge20?

Which GCam mod works the best for Edge20, for all the 3 lenses present?
I am currently using the one by BSG v8.1
It works fine for all lenses, except that it produces that wierd fisheye effect with the ultra wide lense.
lucky_kuk said:
I am currently using the one by BSG v8.1
It works fine for all lenses, except that it produces that wierd fisheye effect with the ultra wide lense.
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what config do you use? looking for GCam for moto edge20 pro, they should be the same I think?
konradinho16 said:
what config do you use? looking for GCam for moto edge20 pro, they should be the same I think?
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No particular config.
I am myself looking for a config file for moto Edge 20
lucky_kuk said:
No particular config.
I am myself looking for a config file for moto Edge 20
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Glad that it works well without anything, I will try it myself later.
One question guys! Does anyone notice the extreme lag when using the camera indoors? Not even with low light but "normal"... It makes almost impossible to take a picture without being blurred, since it also takes a few seconds to shoot.
FLeonR said:
One question guys! Does anyone notice the extreme lag when using the camera indoors? Not even with low light but "normal"... It makes almost impossible to take a picture without being blurred, since it also takes a few seconds to shoot.
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Yes, I agree with that. This happens with the Stock Camera app
Hence I use Gcam, Which works perfectly in this case. There is no lag in Gcam
lucky_kuk said:
Yes, I agree with that. This happens with the Stock Camera app
Hence I use Gcam, Which works perfectly in this case. There is no lag in Gcam
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Hmm, I tried several versions of GCam and still getting lag... A bit less but still noticeable.
Could you tell me what version of GCam are you using? Thanks on beforehand!
Can anyone share a working Config file with all correct settings for GCAM BSG v8.1.101 ?
lucky_kuk said:
Can anyone share a working Config file with all correct settings for GCAM BSG v8.1.101 ?
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I'm also looking for a setting for it but no luck so far, I'm stressed that the image on the screen looks good but when you take the picture it looks a bit more blurry. As if it were being Post-Processed. I want me to take the photo as it is taken by the sensor but unfortunately even in RAW the photo is retouched.
fulltronservice said:
I'm also looking for a setting for it but no luck so far, I'm stressed that the image on the screen looks good but when you take the picture it looks a bit more blurry. As if it were being Post-Processed. I want me to take the photo as it is taken by the sensor but unfortunately even in RAW the photo is retouched.
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Have you tried with HDR auto and AWB on?
Dayuser said:
Have you tried with HDR auto and AWB on?
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Yes, and unfortunately the image looks just as processed. The strangest thing is that when capturing the image with HDR it should be seen with its respective dynamic range, but to my surprise the Normal/HDR+/HDR+ Enhanced photos look exactly the same. To take photos with HDR I had to resort to apps like Open Camera. So I use 3 camera apps on my phone.
The Stock App for videos, GCam for photos and Open Camera for HDR/DRO or photos with custom Bracketing
fulltronservice said:
Yes, and unfortunately the image looks just as processed. The strangest thing is that when capturing the image with HDR it should be seen with its respective dynamic range, but to my surprise the Normal/HDR+/HDR+ Enhanced photos look exactly the same. To take photos with HDR I had to resort to apps like Open Camera. So I use 3 camera apps on my phone.
The Stock App for videos, GCam for photos and Open Camera for HDR/DRO or photos with custom Bracketing
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I think you should try different gcam versions from another modders. New ones like LMC 8.4 gcam or Shamim version (V9fix). Shamim build is maybe little easier one to use than LMC.
LMC 8.4 R7Fix
Download da Gcam do modder hasli
Aqui você encontra o download das versões da Gcam disponibilizadas pelo dev (modder) hasli
gcambrasil.com.br
Shamim V9Fix
Shamim: GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX
Download GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX by Shamim.
www.celsoazevedo.com
Dayuser said:
I think you should try different gcam versions from another modders. New ones like LMC 8.4 gcam or Shamim version (V9fix).
LMC 8.4 R7Fix
Download da Gcam do modder hasli
Aqui você encontra o download das versões da Gcam disponibilizadas pelo dev (modder) hasli
gcambrasil.com.br
Shamim V9Fix
Shamim: GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX
Download GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX by Shamim.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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But do the other lenses work for them? Because I have tried Unysx 8.4 (Or something like that it was called) and I only have the SuperResZoom but not the other lenses.
fulltronservice said:
But do the other lenses work for them? Because I have tried Unysx 8.4 (Or something like that it was called) and I only have the SuperResZoom but not the other lenses.
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I don't no. You have to try if it works.
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I don't no. You have to try if it works.
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I am testing the LMC and it works fine on all cameras. Although HDR is still a problem, it does not capture photos with HDR no matter how activated it is
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Same as other GCam, it does not take HDR photos but takes clearer photos. The dark ones stay darker while the costs shine a lot. I'm taking the photos in RAW with HDR in Adobe Lightroom
fulltronservice said:
I am testing the LMC and it works fine on all cameras. Although HDR is still a problem, it does not capture photos with HDR no matter how activated it is
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So the problem is if you but hdr auto on in LMC gcam it will not save photos?
Dayuser said:
So the problem is if you but hdr auto on in LMC gcam it will not save photos?
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If I save them regardless of the settings, the problem is that the photos should be HDR but instead I get normal photos.

Question 64 MP RAW photo possible?

I am interested in this phone. I know it can take 64 MP JPGs with the stock camera app and also some GCam ports. But what about 64 MP RAW photos, can they be taken either in stock camera app or GCam? And if so, can anybody share some samples?
Lazerr said:
I am interested in this phone. I know it can take 64 MP JPGs with the stock camera app and also some GCam ports. But what about 64 MP RAW photos, can they be taken either in stock camera app or GCam? And if so, can anybody share some samples?
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Yes, stock does take these images.
I could take samples later.
Blumi511 said:
Yes, stock does take these images.
I could take samples later.
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Please do, that would be much appreciated. Outdoors in daylight with some vegetation would be the most interesting, but anything will do.
I presume GCam then can only do JPGs, but not DNG in 64 MP?
Weather sucks atm so I did not go out and it is pretty dark in right now. If it is not getting better today, I'll try to take the pictures inside with a lot of light
Lazerr said:
Please do, that would be much appreciated. Outdoors in daylight with some vegetation would be the most interesting, but anything will do.
I presume GCam then can only do JPGs, but not DNG in 64 MP?
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There you go
Zenfone8.7z
Shared with Dropbox
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Blumi511 said:
There you go
Zenfone8.7z
Shared with Dropbox
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Thanks a lot. I would say noise looks surprisingly good here. Huawei P40 Pro seems much noisier after you transform RYYB to RGGB, and that is with much larger individual pixels. And the ZF8 has OIS, so exposure longer than 1/50 s with lower ISO should still be possible for static scenes...
Yes, it was okay for handheld, although I thought it went up at above iso 400.
For a handheld camera it was very good and it looked very natural

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