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According to some sources,
Nexus 6 will feature "Ambient Display" which is supposed to be the Lollipop equivalent of Active Display / Moto Display.
According to this website though (bgr.com/2014/10/21/android-5-0-features-ambient-display-moto-x/) this will be a feature not exclusive to the Nexus 6, but rather Lollipop itself.
Given that most Moto X users (me included) do not switch to AOSP or CM-based ROMs because of the Active Display, does this mean we can now use the Active Display feature directly from vanilla Android? Or will we still be limited to the proprietary Motorola software?
I don't know much about how Active Display works, and how much is software and how much is hardware dependent. I was hoping somebody more "dev-like" can clarify if the Moto X (2013) have any chance of using Ambient Display natively.
Thanks!
It's early, but at a minimum, it looks like the following Moto X features are coming to stock Android as of 5.0 (and some of these aren't on the Moto X 2014 due to the expected quick update):
Active Display/Moto Display (called Ambient Display)
Always on hotword detection (without the word customization of the 2014 Moto X)
Bluetooth Trusted Devices
Battery Saving Mode (it's implemented the same exact way)
Moto Assist (so far, only the quiet hours for notifications has been shown)
So my guess is that if you use an AOSP-based ROM, you'll get the feature. However, it is likely going to be a little different than the Motorola implementation. So, I'm curious, will Motorola now remove some of these features, or will they leave them in as alternatives (and thus, do what Samsung is doing)? If The AOSP versions are good enough, I may seek to entirely disable Motorola's implementations.
Also, keep in mind that Google's Ambient Display does supposedly offer a knock-code option, which the Moto X currently lacks.
Let's see how all those features are on battery life tho... Something that's not much of an issue with those features on the X.
Even just OK Google everywhere on other devices is fairly battery hungry. Specifically witnessed it on the N5.
Just cause they add a generic any phone feature, doesn't mean it will be very thought out.
KJ said:
Let's see how all those features are on battery life tho... Something that's not much of an issue with those features on the X.
Even just OK Google everywhere on other devices is fairly battery hungry. Specifically witnessed it on the N5.
Just cause they add a generic any phone feature, doesn't mean it will be very thought out.
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I think that Google has accounted for this as best they can. They've stated that certain features either won't work or aren't recommended for specific types of devices. It seems their Ambient Display, for example, is intended to function like the Moto X on OLED displays, while using the more genetic "knock to turn on" gesture for LCD displays (though configurable for a user who doesn't mind destroying battery life).
They've also come out and said that the always-on Google Now requires a specific co-processor and will not function without it. Whereas most ugly implementations keep the phone's CPU in "wake," The Motorola implementation does not, and it seems that Google intends to mirror this.
Now that we know that Google's own Ambient Display is in some way better than Moto's, although some will question if there any advantages at all, I wonder if Moto will revamp their version in 5.0 to display the entire lock screen in black and white. The downside of Google's version is that as soon as you interact with the screen, the screen resorts to all colors consuming more battery.
It would be great to get the best of worlds - being able to see the entire lock screen AND be able to read the contents of the notification without in effect turning on the device.
Does Google's ambient display light up when we pick up the phone as in Moto X? If yes then bye bye stock :fingers-crossed:
DaRkRhiNe said:
Does Googles ambient display light up when we pick up the phone as in Moto X? If yes then bye bye stock :fingers-crossed:
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Yes. It lights up when you pick it up and also apparently flashes every 10 secs when still. What do you mean be bye bye stock.
floepie said:
Yes. It lights up when you pick it up and also apparently flashes every 10 secs when still. What do you mean be bye bye stock.
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The only thing stopping me from flashing a Rom is AC display of Moto X.
DaRkRhiNe said:
The only thing stopping me from flashing a Rom is AC display of Moto X.
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This was in a moto changelog for 2014 moto x, unfortunately the post has been pulled but it shows how they will be dealing with ambient display.
While your phone’s display is off, Moto Display will continue to surface relevant notifications to
you using the low-
power Contextual Computing Processor. It will also intelligently react when you use the Approach
gesture under Moto Actions.
Android Lollipop now includes a similar feature, called Ambient Display, that displays
notifications like those shown on the lockscreen. If you prefer to try the new Ambient Display
feature, you can uncheck the Moto Display setting in the Moto app. Note: Ambient Display does not
use Motorola’s low-power core and will turn on more of the
display, so battery life may be impacted. The Moto Actions Approach gesture will not wake Ambient
Display.
adm1jtg said:
This was in a moto changelog for 2014 moto x, unfortunately the post has been pulled but it shows how they will be dealing with ambient display.
While your phone’s display is off, Moto Display will continue to surface relevant notifications to
you using the low-
power Contextual Computing Processor. It will also intelligently react when you use the Approach
gesture under Moto Actions.
Android Lollipop now includes a similar feature, called Ambient Display, that displays
notifications like those shown on the lockscreen. If you prefer to try the new Ambient Display
feature, you can uncheck the Moto Display setting in the Moto app. Note: Ambient Display does not
use Motorola’s low-power core and will turn on more of the
display, so battery life may be impacted. The Moto Actions Approach gesture will not wake Ambient
Display.
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Interesting. Does the rest of this log still live somewhere? I wonder if Ambient Display does in fact use some sort of low-power core on the Nexus 6. I can also imagine that if you choose to use A.D., that simply flashing of pixels on such an amoled wouldn't result in much of a perceived battery hit compared to Moto Display.
All of the Snapdragon 800s have the low-power core built into the SoC which is why Moto didn't go with a custom SoC in the new Moto X.
nhizzat said:
All of the Snapdragon 800s have the low-power core built into the SoC which is why Moto didn't go with a custom SoC in the new Moto X.
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This is actually incorrect (no offense).
The Snapdragon 800 SOC does support always on listening, but it doesn't do so with the main SOC asleep. This means that the battery consumption isn't as low as the method employed by the Moto X. Motorola's own spec sheets reveal that the two specialized lower-power chips used in the Moto X 2013 are still used in the 2014.
Motorola link: https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR2
Motorola Mobile Computing System including 2.5GHz Qualcomm® SnapdragonTM 801 with quad-core CPU (MSM 8974-AC), Adreno 330 @ 578 MHz GPU, Natural Language Processor, Contextual Computing Processor
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Although it is for 2014 version but still since some of the h/w is same. I think, this will help answer some of the lollipop questions for our X.
Lollipop Release notes for Moto X(2014)
Ambient Display doesn't make use of the dedicated low-power sensor Moto Display uses in the Moto X 2013 and 2014. It is also a lot less reliable.
Will the nexus 6 have wave-to-wake feature like the Moto X 2014?
If not by default then is it possible that it can have this feature in future by any means??
No, it does not have it by default.
There are apps that can use the proximity sensor with older phones to wake it up, so I imagine that at some point, yes, it will be possible to replicate the Moto X wave-to-wake feature via app.
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No, it does not have it by default.
There are apps that can use the proximity sensor with older phones to wake it up, so I imagine that at some point, yes, it will be possible to replicate the Moto X wave-to-wake feature via app.
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Ok.. I hope it does happen...
I use this this feature frequently on my Moto X 2014. I will definitely miss it if I get a N6.
Here's the app I use on my Nexus 5. Assuming there aren't any issues running it under Lollipop, it has a setting that wake the phone with a wave. However, I'm not sure whether it will FULLY wake the phone, or let you just activate Ambient Screen. Maybe contacting the dev, and requesting an Ambient Screen setting would help.
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It wont by default - it is a moto specific software feature.
Begging or hoping it is added will do nothing, as the nexus is from google OS wise, and moto hasn't added that specific software (or hardware, see below) to it like the moto X.
Your best hope is 3rd party app that can give that capability, however that said, the phone would have to have the IR sensors like the X in order to detect the handwaving, which AFAIK it doesn't have.
Is this the same feature found in the note 2?
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...the phone would have to have the IR sensors like the X in order to detect the handwaving, which AFAIK it doesn't have.
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All modern smart phones have proximity sensors though, and third-party developers have tapped into those. The trick isn't the detection, it's the activation of Ambient Screen without fully waking the phone.
For instance, the Gravity Screen app I posted earlier will wake my N5 with a wave over the screen just perfectly, but it FULLY wakes the device. If they can alter that to give the option of waking the device, or only activating Ambient Screen, then it would almost perfectly emulate the Moto function.
On my friends Moto X 2014 when he gets a text missed call etc it shows up on the display. It will start to appear then disappear until you swipe it away. Will the Nexus 6 also do this? All this without even touching the phone.
Not that I have seen. Hopefully when enough developers get their hands on the device, we will start seeing some useful mods. Just give it time.
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On my friends Moto X 2014 when he gets a text missed call etc it shows up on the display. It will start to appear then disappear until you swipe it away. Will the Nexus 6 also do this? All this without even touching the phone.
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that sounds exactly like ambient display.. no?
If you want an app that's nearly identical use dynamic notifications. That's as close as you're going to get to moto display without having moto display.
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On my friends Moto X 2014 when he gets a text missed call etc it shows up on the display. It will start to appear then disappear until you swipe it away. Will the Nexus 6 also do this? All this without even touching the phone.
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The Nexus 6 comes with ambient display. When you get a notification it will display you the message and disappear within like 3 seconds. Also of you pick up the device, it will also display the notifications without turning on the screen similar to the Moto X.
You can even say "OK Google" when the screen is off across the room and activate Google Now without ever touching the device.
Given that the architecture is similar to the 2014 X & practically the same as the Droid Turbo, it should be feasible to port it to the N6 IMHO...
Hey guys, anyone try doing some side loading action here? I'm thinking that moto voice and moto assist would be awesome additions to the N6. I like the ability for the phone to talk to me while I'm driving, and I love that it goes into silent mode when it's bed time.
Thoughts? Concerns?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/porting-moto-assist-to-n6-t2949660
Yeah thanks, completely missed coming to this side of the forum!
(This is my first question in this forum, sorry for my English and all the suggestions will be welcome. Thanks! )
Hi, I have my Moto X running Cm12, and I notice that when it's charging and a notification arrives the led turns on.
So, I was wandering if there it's any way to emulate that it's all the time charging. I don't know, maybe we could use the hidden notification led, that would be awesome!
Anyone have any idea?
Please, i'm not pretending that this post becomes a discussion about the led and active display relationship.
Thanks!
It's been this way a long time, and no one has been able to make the led notify off the charger. So to me, it seems unlikely that it's possible.
Perhaps someone will manage it one day, but it likely involves a really good understanding of the architecture... And the Moto X Development Community is fairly small.
Just my take on this. ?