[ROM][8.1.0][Capricorn][AOSP][Unofficial] Candy ROM Mi 5s - Xiaomi Mi 5s ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De

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FEATURES
CandyShop:
SYSTEM
Volume buttons up/down for Do Not Disturb
Swap volume buttons on rotation
Volume keys control media volume (or the default ringtone/notification volume)
Long press volume playback control
Screen off power button torch (double press and long press)
Battery charging light customizations
Notification light customizations
Power menu customizations
Show app icons in toasts
Wake on plug
Vibrate on plug
Smart notification sounds
LOCKSCREEN:
Double tap to sleep on lock screen
Disable power menu when locked
Show media cover art
Ambient Music Ticker (artist/track info)
Custom shortcuts
STATUS BAR
Center clock with options
Battery saver settings
Network traffic indicator
Many QS tiles and rows/columns, size options
Control status bar items
Double tap to sleep on status bar
Statusbar ticker
Notification sound/vibration settings
Quick settings:
Brightness slider icon (for Auto/Manual)
Bottom brightness slider
Custom number of rows/columns with Quick add (one click)
Show tiles title
Quick pulldown (right)
QS footer warnings
Custom Statusbar items
NAVIGATION
Navbar options
Smartbar
Fling
Pulse
Hardware Key Rebinding
Hardware lights controls
MULTI-TASKING
Slim Recents
Gesture Anywhere
Launch music app on headset connection
Launch music app on headset customization
GENERAL
Rootless Substratum support
Night light
Network name display option
Prevent accidental wake up
Ambient display with custom brightness
Double tap to wake (supported devices only)
Device theme (Substratum, Pixel, Stock)
Finer DPI and Resolution selections
Pixel sounds
Quick PIN unlock
Root management options (if rooted)
OnePlus Doze (supported devices only)
Screen off gestures (supported devices only)
Notification slider options (supported devices only)
SystemUI Tuner
Download
CandyRom Capricorn
You have to flash this Fix Candyrom before you left the twrp Fix CandyRom
GAPPS
Bugs
You tell
XDA:DevDB Information
[ROM][8.1.0][Capricorn][AOSP][Unofficial] Candy ROM Mi 5s, ROM for the Xiaomi Mi 5s
Contributors
Bushido43
Source Code: https://github.com/CandyRoms
ROM OS Version: 8.x Oreo
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.x
Version Information
Status: Beta
Beta Release Date: 2018-02-23
Created 2018-02-24
Last Updated 2018-02-24

Very nice!
The usual bugs are still present? Deep sleep, VoLTE?

That's fine
That's fine :bueno:, but does multitouch work in games? that's what I want it to be solved in other ROMS
.

:good: Thank you!

yodanutz01 said:
Very nice!
The usual bugs are still present? Deep sleep, VoLTE?
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https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=673956719939822212
DeepSleep fix (Other Oreo Roms working)

Thank you very much!
Works with all Oreo ROMS ?

yodanutz01 said:
Thank you very much!
Works with all Oreo ROMS ?
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Yes

Is OnePlus doze supported?

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[ROM][OFFICIAL][6.0.1_r68] FireHound 2.0 [17/09/2016][CMTE]

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FIRE BURNS AND PHOENIX HOUNDS
FireHound is a Custom ROM developed focusing on Stability + Features. FireHound is made from cherry-picking commits from many great ROMs. Our main goal is to satisfy users as best as possible and to rise a community. So without being much senti, we will head towards main part now…
FireHound Features
​ FireHound Ashes
Status Bar
Status Bar Icons
SuperUser Indicator (Hide or Unhide Status Bar SU)
Clock Style
AM/PM Style
Battery Style
Battery Percentage
Battery Bar
Battery Bar Location
Battery Bar Style
Charging Animation
Battery Bar Color
Battery Bar Thickness
Status Bar Slide Brightness Control
Quick Pulldown
Notifications
Heads UP Enable/Disable
DND
Notification Access
Notifications Filter
Buttons
Navigation Bar Enable/Disable
Backlight Control
Navigation Bar Layout Control
Left Handed Mode
Power button press twice for Camera
Power Button End Call
Home Button Customizations
Menu Button Customizations
Back Button Customizations
Volume Button Customizations
Keyboard Cursor Control
Playback Control
Display
Live Display
Double tap to wake/sleep
Wake on Plug
LCD Custom Density
Daydream
Font Size Control
Search Bar in Recents Menu
Lights
CLICK TO HIDE CONTENT
Battery Lights Customizations
Notification Lights Customizations
Sounds
CLICK TO HIDE CONTENT
Sim 1/2 Ringtones
Notification Tones
Increasing Ring Volume
Launch Music App on Headset connected
Other Sounds Customizations
Charging Sounds
Camera Shutter Sound Enable/Disable
Recents
Show search bar in Recents
Memory Bar
Clear All Recents Button Enable/Disable
Clear All tasks / Foreground Tasks
Clear All Recents Location
Gestures
Gesture Anywhere
Trigger Region
Three Finger Swipe Screenshot
App Circle Side Bar
Trigger Width
Trigger Position
Trigger Height
CM Theme Engine
Custom CM Theme Engine Customizations
Lock Screen
CLICK TO HIDE CONTENT
Keyguard and all types of Keyguards
Quick Unlock
Smart Lock
Live Lock Screen
Lock Screen Shortcuts
Music Visualizer
Show Weather
Custom Lockscreen Wallpaper
Downloads
ROM
Fix Messaging App​
Instructions​Download ROM and GApps (optional)
Reboot to recovery and Backup existing ROM
Wipe System, Data, ART cache, Cache
flash ROM and Gapps and reboot...
Support​ Join for latest updates, bug reporting, support and updates..
https://plus.google.com/communities/114615598909452601377
We also encourage users to report bugs and issues at our G+ Community.
We also welcome a “x” feature request from users and if we really feel it to be useful, we will integrate it in our ROM.
Tell us whatever, whichever feature you want and we will try our best to integrate it.
We Thank:
Cyanogenmod
crDroid
Chainfire
Slim ROMs
Ressurection Remix
OwnROM
Abhishek Karmakar
PrathameshMS
And all who have contributed to this ROM.​
Sources​ KERNEL
ROM
​
XDAevDB Information
FireHound, ROM for the Moto X 2014
Contributors
anderson mendes
Source Code: https://github.com/FireHound
ROM OS Version: 6.0.x Marshmallow
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.10.x
ROM Firmware Required: Unlocked bootloader, Custom recovery
Based On: CyanogenMod
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: 2.0
Stable Release Date: 2016-09-17
Created 2016-09-17
Last Updated 2016-09-17
been using for 3 hour. good as roam goal. keep the great work
Does fix messaging still need to be flash on the 9/17 build?
FireWire22 said:
Does fix messaging still need to be flash on the 9/17 build?
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yes
I like how this an official build and it's been smooth for almost a week and a half now!!! ?
Sent from my XT1093 using Tapatalk

[OFFICIAL] FireHound v4.7[Oreo 8.1] [STABLE][19-7-18]

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FireHound is a Custom ROM developed focusing on Stability carrying many features hand in hand. We strive a lot in the back end to provide our users with all the necessary components a daily driver ROM should include.​Ashes:
Status Bar
Status Bar Icons
Battery Percentage
Network Traffic Indicator
Battery Bar
Battery Bar Location
Battery Bar Style
Charging Animation
Battery Bar Color
Battery Bar Thickness
Slide for Brightness Control
Quick Pulldown
Smart Pulldown
Show seconds
Bluetooth battery status
Notification Ticker
Custom Carrier label
Quick Settings
Heads Up Enable/Disable
DND
QS Tiles title
Quick WiFi Toggle
Quick BT toggle
Quick Battery toggle
Quick Data toggle
Location Easy toggle
Haptic feedback on qs tiles
Disable Immersive Messages
Force Expanded Notifications
Notification Access
Custom Small QS tiles
Custom rows,portrait,landscape tiles
Disble QS on secure lockscreen
Notifications Filter
Quick Settings Headers
QS Scroller
Buttons
Navigation Bar Enable/Disable
Backlight Control
Navigation Bar Layout Control
Left Handed Mode
Power button press twice for Camera
Power Button End Call
Home Button Customizations
Menu Button Customizations
Back Button Customizations
Volume Button Customizations
Keyboard Cursor Control
Playback Control
Navigation Bar
Fling
SmartBar
Pulse
Display
Toast Icon Switch
Double tap to wake/sleep
Wake on Plug
LCD Custom Density
Daydream
Font Size Control
Lights
Battery Lights Customizations
Notification Lights Customizations
Sounds
Notification Tones
Increasing Ring Volume
Launch Music App on Headset connected
Other Sounds Customizations
Charging Sounds
Enable/Disable screenshot sound
Live Volume Steps
Force Expanded Volume panel
Camera Shutter Sound Enable/Disable
Recents
Show search bar in Recents
Memory Bar
Clear All Recents Button Enable/Disable
Clear All tasks / Foreground Tasks
Clear All Recents Location
Immersive Recents
Gestures
Three Finger Swipe Screenshot
Lock Screen
Quick Unlock
Double tap to sleep on lockscreen
Smart Lock
Lockscreen weather
Fingerprint vibrations
Show lockscreen date/clock toggle
Signature spoofing
Emergency Button Switch
Battery Info on lockscreen
Hide power menu on lockscreen
Live Lock Screen
Lock Screen Shortcuts
Music Visualizer
Show Weather
Ambient Music Ticker
Toggle for quick face unlock
Animations
Toast animations style
Screen Off animations
Miscellaneous
App Ops
Wakelock blocker
Alarms Blocker
Media scanner on boot
Camera:
Custom Camera MOD designed for better performance
Denoise
Saturation Adjustment
Contrast Adjustment
Sharpness Adjustments
Beautify
ISO
ZSL
Skin Tone Enhancement
HDR+
Video Stabilization
Essentials:
Essentials is our app written from scratch which serves as a core service
FireWalls
Updates
Blog posts
Downloads
FireHound
How to flash:
Download the ROM and Gapps
Boot into recovery mode [TWRP]
Wipe System/Data/Dalvik Cache/Cache
Select both the ROM and Gapps zip files
Flash
Reboot!​
Links:
Website
Google+ Community
Gerrit Code-Review
Crowdin
Telegram Channel
We also encourage users to report bugs and issues at our G+ Community with proper logs.
We also welcome a “x” feature request from users and if we really feel it to be useful, we will push it in.
Sources:
ROM
XDA:DevDB Information
Firehound , ROM for the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3
Contributors
shamith
Source Code: https://github.com/FireHound
ROM OS Version: 8.x Oreo
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.10.x
ROM Firmware Required: Latest
Based On: Lineage/AOSP
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: 4.7
Stable Release Date: 2018-07-19
Created 2018-02-04
Last Updated 2018-07-18
New Builds up
Firehound 4.7 (supposed to be 4.7.1)
Changeling
- Minor bug Fixes
- UI/UX general improvements
- Restrict the volume panel to only show 3 sliders when
in force expanded mode
(Wont cover the whole screen now)
- Cleaned up Battery Settings duplicate preferences
- Cleaned the empty categories under Settings
OTA Updates will start working for the next release,final builds will be pushed in a while
Download here:- https://firehound.org/download
Reserved
New Rom :highfive:
Any known bugs? Screenshots would be appreciated also. <3
Wow gonna try this tnx devs?
Gonna try, thx dev
Expanded desktop feature is available if anyone flashed it can clarify?
Wow started thanks shamith
Any screenshots?
Love the features ?? gonna try. thx dev ?
pd: for a moment i think it was a soundmod ?? "firehound"
There is dolby atmos flashable zip for this rom????
---------- Post added at 06:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:31 PM ----------
And this rom is preroited???
Sir, volte supported?
Smart future
Please add omni resent for advanced user and custom headers with tile animation for the beauty of the ROM and android and last beauty of the ROM and android please add blurs personalization. Don't give a ton of useless customization like RR ROM. Because it's make the ROM heavier and battery drains bit more.
LiveDisplay isnt working tho
Live display not working
Mayr1k said:
LiveDisplay isnt working tho
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mhdnizamakbar said:
Live display not working
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Yup. Confirmed.
Screenshot plsssss thanks
Doble tap to wake up also is missing hope add this next update tnx
mhackoy said:
Doble tap to wake up also is missing hope add this next update tnx
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Use kernel Adiotur

[ROM][8.1.0] FireHound 4.4

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FireHound is a Custom ROM developed focusing on Stability carrying many features hand in hand. We strive a lot in the back end to provide our users with all the necessary components a daily driver ROM should include.
Ashes:
Status Bar
Status Bar Icons
Battery Percentage
Network Traffic Indicator
Battery Bar
Battery Bar Location
Battery Bar Style
Charging Animation
Battery Bar Color
Battery Bar Thickness
Slide for Brightness Control
Quick Pulldown
Smart Pulldown
Show seconds
Bluetooth battery status
Notification Ticker
Quick Settings
Heads Up Enable/Disable
DND
QS Tiles title
Quick WiFi Toggle
Quick BT toggle
Quick Battery toggle
Quick Data toggle
Location Easy toggle
Haptic feedback on qs tiles
Disable Immersive Messages
Force Expanded Notifications
Notification Access
Custom Small QS tiles
Custom rows,portrait,landscape tiles
Disble QS on secure lockscreen
Notifications Filter
Buttons
Navigation Bar Enable/Disable
Backlight Control
Navigation Bar Layout Control
Left Handed Mode
Power button press twice for Camera
Power Button End Call
Home Button Customizations
Menu Button Customizations
Back Button Customizations
Volume Button Customizations
Keyboard Cursor Control
Playback Control
Navigation Bar
Fling
SmartBar
Pulse
Display
Toast Icon Switch
Double tap to wake/sleep
Wake on Plug
LCD Custom Density
Daydream
Font Size Control
Lights
Battery Lights Customizations
Notification Lights Customizations
Sounds
Notification Tones
Increasing Ring Volume
Launch Music App on Headset connected
Other Sounds Customizations
Charging Sounds
Enable/Disable screenshot sound
Live Volume Steps
Force Expanded Volume panel
Camera Shutter Sound Enable/Disable
Recents
Show search bar in Recents
Memory Bar
Clear All Recents Button Enable/Disable
Clear All tasks / Foreground Tasks
Clear All Recents Location
Immersive Recents
Gestures
Three Finger Swipe Screenshot
Lock Screen
Quick Unlock
Double tap to sleep on lockscreen
Smart Lock
Lockscreen weather
Fingerprint vibrations
Show lockscreen date/clock toggle
Signature spoofing
Emergency Button Switch
Battery Info on lockscreen
Hide power menu on lockscreen
Live Lock Screen
Lock Screen Shortcuts
Music Visualizer
Show Weather
Animations
Toast animations style
Miscellaneous
App Ops
Wakelock blocker
Alarms Blocker
Media scanner on boot
Essentials:
Essentials is our app written from scratch which serves as a core service
FireWalls
Updates
Blog posts
How to flash:
Download the ROM and Gapps
Boot into recovery mode [TWRP]
Wipe System/Data/Dalvik Cache/Cache
Select both the ROM and Gapps zip files
Flash
Reboot!
[/CENTER]
Links:
Website
Gerrit Code-Review
Crowdin
Telegram Channel
Download:
GDrive folder
XDA:DevDB Information
[ROM][8.1.0] FireHound 4.4, ROM for the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
Contributors
dylanneve1
Source Code: https://github.com/FireHound
ROM OS Version: 8.x Oreo
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.x
Based On: LineageOS
Version Information
Status: Stable
Created 2018-04-02
Last Updated 2018-06-18
wow! Tks for sharing. I dont know what to say, i ll try it and feedback.
Great to have another AOSP rom on this device I will wait for some feedback.
I wanna test it, but I don't think it working stable, lineageos 15.1 is beta, with somebugs how you remove it?
Can post some screen shot...
Bugs?
ImKiira said:
Bugs?
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Same as LOS 15.1.
Edge only? Why everyone is forgetting about the flat?
matterrorist said:
Edge only? Why everyone is forgetting about the flat?
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You're the one forgetting to search in the right place. Here you go.
* Essentials services crashes
- auto update not working
- Essentials app start on 1 sec. And crashes
* missed game tools like Stock
* Can't make a call after crash of essentials
- recieve call ok
where is gapps files ?
---------- Post added at 05:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------
what are doing so bugy rom here even call not working ?
boys this rom has bugs? I would like to test .. what do you say?
I have been installed since yesterday and for now no problem, everything works perfect for daily use. Thank you
Gps working and any bugs?
efx7n said:
Gps working and any bugs?
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I have tried google maps and the location makes me exact .......
screenshots?
ewes7777 said:
screenshots?
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its a lineage rom. it looks like every other aosp rom out there.
guys i have a problem with chrome i can not log in with my google account that already exists
VoLTE working?
guys have you tried if quaestorem recognizes the usb port? I do not recognize me when I connect the phone to p
kunaal2580 said:
VoLTE working?
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Are you trolling?

[ROM] [8.1.0] Candy Rom for Tissot [UNOFFICIAL] [24/05]

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This is Candy8. Built straight from source with commits from a variety of different Sources/ROMS. We wanted to give the users a fun, fully customizable ROM. We aim to add more features as this project progresses.
@gimmeitorilltell @NoSpamDan @kdp162 @chadouming @Nick_gunale @axxx007xxxz @Yaznas
Come visit us on Telegram: @CandyRoms
Disclaimer: CandyRoms is not responsible for any bricks you may obtain. Please follow the thread rules and steps and everything will be gravy. Remember, backing up before flashing is always recommended.
FEATURES
CandyShop:
SYSTEM
Volume buttons up/down for Do Not Disturb
Swap volume buttons on rotation
Volume keys control media volume (or the default ringtone/notification volume)
Long press volume playback control
Screen off power button torch (double press and long press)
Battery charging light customizations
Notification light customizations
Power menu customizations
Show app icons in toasts
Wake on plug
Vibrate on plug
Pocket Judge
Smart notification sounds
LOCKSCREEN:
Double tap to sleep on lock screen
Show media cover art
Ambient Music Ticker (artist/track info)
Custom shortcuts
STATUS BAR
Clock options:
Alignment
Display seconds
AM/PM & Date display and format
Battery settings:
Battery icon style
Custom battery saver mode color
Network traffic indicator
Quick settings:
Brightness slider icon (for Auto/Manual)
Bottom brightness slider
Custom number of rows/columns with Quick add (one click)
Show tiles title
Quick pulldown (right)
QS footer warnings
Control status bar items
Double tap to sleep on status bar
Less annoying heads-up mode
Statusbar notification ticker
Notification sound/vibration settings
NAVIGATION
Navbar options:
Stock navbar
Smartbar
Fling
Pulse
Hardware keys:
Hardware Key Rebinding
Hardware lights controls
Accidental Touch mode
MULTI-TASKING
Launch music app on headset connection
Launch music app on headset customization
Slim or AOSP Recents
Gesture Anywhere
GENERAL
Rootless Substratum support
Night light
Network name display option
Prevent accidental wake up via proximity sensor
Ambient display with custom brightness
Double tap to wake (supported devices only)
Device theme (Substratum if installed, Pixel, Stock)
Finer DPI and Resolution selections
Pixel sounds
Quick PIN unlock
Root management options (if rooted)
OnePlus Doze (supported devices only)
Screen off gestures (supported devices only)
Notification slider options (supported devices only)
SystemUI Tuner
More to come, we are never done...
-UPDATE INSTRUCTIONS-
- Download latest build & gapps.
- Boot into latest TWRP.
- Wipe system, cache
- Flash the ROM & twrp installer.
- Reboot back to recovery & flash gapps & Magisk.
- Reboot device & enjoy the candy
Downloads
- AFH
or from our Blog [Your wish to vist] T3C
Fixed
HW Lights
Sources
ROM - https://github.com/candyroms
Device - Here
Kernel - Here
Big thanks to
- Jerry, Abhinav, Tester And Google
ROM OS Version: 8.x Oreo
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.x
Based On: AOSP
Created 2018-24-05
Last Updated 2018-24-05
Screens At Post 2
Regards !
Hello All,
This is my First Xda Post !
Apologize for errors
Great...?
Have to say , very good ROM and good battery life
There is already a Candy ROM available on tissot that is maintained by Ramesh
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
There is already a Candy ROM available on tissot that is maintained by Ramesh
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It is not active AFAIK

[8.1.0][UNIFIED][Rolex][Riva][ROM][UNOFFICIAL] Candy ROM

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@gimmeitorilltell
@NoSpamDan
@kdp162
@chadouming
@Nick_gunale
@axxx007xxxz
@Yaznas
Come visit us on Telegram: @CandyRoms​
Disclaimer: CandyRoms is not responsible for any bricks you may obtain. Please follow the thread rules and steps and everything will be gravy. Remember, backing up before flashing is always recommended.
FEATURES
CandyShop:
SYSTEM
Volume buttons up/down for Do Not Disturb
Swap volume buttons on rotation
Volume keys control media volume (or the default ringtone/notification volume)
Long press volume playback control
Screen off power button torch (double press and long press)
Battery charging light customizations
Notification light customizations
Power menu customizations
Show app icons in toasts
Wake on plug
Vibrate on plug
Pocket Judge
Smart notification sounds
LOCKSCREEN:
Double tap to sleep on lock screen
Show media cover art
Ambient Music Ticker (artist/track info)
Custom shortcuts
STATUS BAR
Clock options:
Alignment
Display seconds
AM/PM & Date display and format
Battery settings:
Battery icon style
Custom battery saver mode color
Network traffic indicator
Quick settings:
Brightness slider icon (for Auto/Manual)
Bottom brightness slider
Custom number of rows/columns with Quick add (one click)
Show tiles title
Quick pulldown (right)
QS footer warnings
Control status bar items
Double tap to sleep on status bar
Less annoying heads-up mode
Statusbar notification ticker
Notification sound/vibration settings
NAVIGATION
Navbar options:
Stock navbar
Smartbar
Fling
Pulse
Hardware keys:
Hardware Key Rebinding
Hardware lights controls
Accidental Touch mode
MULTI-TASKING
Launch music app on headset connection
Launch music app on headset customization
Slim or AOSP Recents
Gesture Anywhere
GENERAL
Rootless Substratum support
Night light
Network name display option
Prevent accidental wake up via proximity sensor
Ambient display with custom brightness
Double tap to wake (supported devices only)
Device theme (Substratum if installed, Pixel, Stock)
Finer DPI and Resolution selections
Pixel sounds
Quick PIN unlock
Root management options (if rooted)
OnePlus Doze (supported devices only)
Screen off gestures (supported devices only)
Notification slider options (supported devices only)
SystemUI Tuner
More to come, we are never done...
-UPDATE INSTRUCTIONS-
- Download latest build & gapps.
- Boot into latest TWRP.
- Wipe system, cache
- Flash the ROM & twrp installer.
- Reboot back to recovery & flash gapps & Magisk.
- Reboot device & enjoy the candy
Downloads :​
Big thanks to Fabian for his awesome work on Unified sources for Oreo
Souradeep and Sunny For teaching me the stuffs
XDA:DevDB Information
Candy ROM, ROM for the Xiaomi Redmi 4a
Contributors
AryanPatidar, @33bca
Source Code: https://github.com/CandyRoms
ROM OS Version: 8.x Oreo
ROM Kernel: Linux 3.10.x
ROM Firmware Required: Latest
Based On: AOSP
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: 8.1.0
Stable Release Date: 2018-06-09
Created 2018-06-09
Last Updated 2018-06-09
Changelogs
Build 1->
*Initial Release
*Unified Build, means this rom will work on both Redmi 4A (Rolex) And Redmi 5A (Riva).
*Auto Brightness Fixed.
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