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Did my new Galaxy S come with a dodgy Camera?

I just bought a new, sealed unit a few days ago. The last remaining stock left over in Aus. As soon as I turned on the camera I quickly realised something was a bit off.
I know they never had amazing camera quality to begin with, but mine is, a lot messier, than what I have seen in other units up until now.
My friend also has a I9000, and I used his a few times but mind you only checked out the camera for a total of 10-15 seconds (which is what persuaded me the galaxy S had a good camera), but that was enough for me to immediately spot a significant difference in mine. I then did a thorough test between mine and his and confirmed this. I also looked at some phones in stores.
Is this common of the newer model/last remaining stock?
Or should I try get it replaced for another one?
It seems about 30-40% worse in general.
I made sure to first reset and then check all camera settings.
The results seem consistent.
Here is my phone and my friends. Both taken at exactly the same moment, settings, etc side by side.
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Running 2.2 On Voda firmware. All stock.
Anyway I spoke to the retailer where I signed up to a contract from and they said, the camera looks fine to me. He took a few photos and said it was all in order.
It seems they would only consider replacing it is if the camera doesn't work at all?
Isn't there a level of quality control?
The retailer said if we send it of for repairs they will just inspect it, say its fine and return the same one to you again, just in worse condition.
I haven't even used the phone since I got it 5 days ago, as a major reason to get it was a decent camera. At the moment its worse/the same as all my old 1.3-5mp phones from 5 years ago.
Any ideas? Does it qualify for warranty/another unit?

by seeing the images, i feel the resolution setting for your cam is to blame. go to settings and check whether its full (2560*1920)

Looks like it's on one of the mode settings.

I suspect low quality camera sensor. Hmmm big diference... i'll check mine tonight, you make me curious.

kkagarwal said:
by seeing the images, i feel the resolution setting for your cam is to blame. go to settings and check whether its full (2560*1920)
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If you read the post he states that they used identical settings and each pic has it's resolution on it, they are all the same resolution.
There's definitely a big difference in quality though, the lighting is way different in the two phones. Never seen that big a difference before on the 3 phones I've used.

Yes its definitely identical settings guys.
The lighting differences seem like the software is trying to make up for the fact the camera is delivering a poor image, and turns up the iso and changes color balance etc.
I actually first posted this on android forums before I took any action, before I knew of this forum, but they don't seem that keen on hardware as here.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/333683-did-my-new-galaxy-s-come-dodgy-camera.html
You can look at that link for a better sized comparison. The pics on there arranged nicer.
Anyway I called up samsung, told them of my issue.
They basically said I should contact the nearest service center. They said its Fonebiz in Rockdale on the Princess HWY. Pretty close to me.
When the lady on the phone found out its only a few days old and I am not using it because of the issue, she said if its under 20 days I can contact the place where I bought it from and get another one on the spot.
Well as I said the guy at the shop completely missed the point, tested out the camera in a few shots and started comparing it to other brands of phones.
He said any difference I notice could be because of different camera batches which is of course true, but I still think the difference is too big, especially since a better camera was one of the biggest reasons for me to upgrade phones. Not to mention you have to compare Galaxy S vs Galaxy S, as I did.
Do you guys have any recommendations/contacts etc? I think I will just walk into Fonebiz and see what they say, but I don't know if I want a refurbished unit to replace essentially a new phone.

I think that the "good" phone was aimed more at the light source hence the slight changes in exposure etc etc.
I would not judge a phone camera in a dim room anyway, but i would not change it just yet.
Come on its a phone the camera's are either poor or really poor at best.
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I had problems with my camera. Its focus was bad. I found it much better if you tap the area of the photo you wish to focus on and only when it goes green take the shot.

Why don't you take both off auto, and set them both to the same iso settings and check the difference then. This would give a better indication of software vs hardware.

Yes, te same ****y quality i have on my sgs.
Iso auto (400)
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Iso 100
I notice autofocus seems got impoved in gingerbread.
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There must be differences then.
Mine at ISO 400, standard scene, using stock camera (JVH ginga), handheld, with auto contrast ON and image stabilisation OFF.
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Full res here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mc1d5_bicjU0fhJaNZJehAaai0htwUKheDFpOU8DCYE?feat=directlink

Oh - there is a difference! The focal length varies - 3.5mm and 3.8mm. They must be different lens/sensor units!
Anyone with 3.8mm... bad news... but 3.5mm might be better??

Ok, so I had a chance to set the settings all to manual as was suggested.
To cut it short, regardless of the settings, when they are the matched and the phones are put side by side to take the same shot, his one captures more light and less noise. I guess they go hand in hand.
So a scene that looks completely dark on my camera(i.e black, no detail coming through), will be actually be clearly visible but with a lot of noise on his one.
A scene that looks barely visible on mine, will be fairly visible with a lot less noise on his one.
A scene that looks fully well lit with little noise on his one, will look like its a little dark on mine with a little noise.
I think you get the point. I guess what the software was doing in mine on auto is to compensate for the lack of light being captured, it turns the iso up, this introducing even more noise and off color etc.
One last thing, which I am curious to find more info about
It say on the back of my phone, MADE IN VIETNAM, and on his one MADE IN KOREA.
I had no idea they switched manufacture plants like that, nor had I come across any info on the sgs about that.
True story.
so It looks like I probably won't/cant be bothered to try exchange the phone, even though it is still within 14 days of purchase...sigh
The new one could be the same, and I may get one without a bootloader, and my current one has one etc. Heck I may even get a refurb.

this is such a good topic for me....
i have the same problem as you i did not compare with other sgs phone but i have never managed to get nice pictures indoors with this camera....
only if there is ALLOT of light the pics turn out ok nothing outstanding.
i played with all possible settings and yet nothing looks good.
i hate to admit it and sad too but the sgs camera is very ****ty imo...
its always more yellow and the colors turn out bad
also when i picture indoor with a little light in the room and night scene the pics are too dark.
this camera is a joke sadly

mine is made in Korea... so useless
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awojtas said:
Oh - there is a difference! The focal length varies - 3.5mm and 3.8mm. They must be different lens/sensor units!
Anyone with 3.8mm... bad news... but 3.5mm might be better??
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Mine's 3.5, my pics are fine, but I mostly use it outdoors, lots of natural light.

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Mine's 3.5, my pics are fine, but I mostly use it outdoors, lots of natural light.
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Could you take an indoors photo sometime and post it here? Try set it to ISO400, as that's what most of the pics here seem to be, so we can compare. As long it's indoor, ISO400, and you don't shake the camera we should get a basic idea of quality.
So... Korea (3.5mm focal length) = good
Vietnam (3.8mm focal length) = you're screwed
If the angle of view is the same, theoretically, the Vietnam ones have a bigger sensor (same megapixels, but bigger sensor area), which normally means better image.
But in this case the lens might be really rubbish.

Mine is Vietnam 3.8mm too and pretty poor in dim light.

awojtas said:
Could you take an indoors photo sometime and post it here? Try set it to ISO400, as that's what most of the pics here seem to be, so we can compare. As long it's indoor, ISO400, and you don't shake the camera we should get a basic idea of quality.
So... Korea (3.5mm focal length) = good
Vietnam (3.8mm focal length) = you're screwed
If the angle of view is the same, theoretically, the Vietnam ones have a bigger sensor (same megapixels, but bigger sensor area), which normally means better image.
But in this case the lens might be really rubbish.
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Will do, I'll try to have a pic up tommorrow

as I said, mine is made in korea with 3.8mm so the country doesn't count.

Galaxy Note 4 / Edge blurry camera problem petition

If it was not already painfully obvious to any of us with children, the movement of subjects using both the Galaxy Note 4 and Galaxy Note Edge camera results in CONSTANT blurry photos.
Yes, we have all tried sports mode. And we know about the rapid image capture trick which takes a bunch of photos we don't want, to get a single shot. We also know that the video can take an impressive 4K, and you can grab .png files from the video that are frozen. But, seriously, who does this?
This thread is meant to point out a serious flaw in the firmware of the Samsung OIS 16mp camera on the Galaxy Note 4 and Edge and Samsung knows it. We need to demand an update that handles the far to wide open Fstop that Samsung is using for normally lit environments, and give us a night mode selection for those shots we can manually turn on and off. I am tired of my kids looking like a blurry mess because they looked in a slightly different direction during every shot. It's not like I am complaining because they are running around the room created blurred images. This is far more common than it should be.
Anyone want to post their blurry pics of fully lit rooms, I will be joining you when I have a chance to upload them.
Cmon Samsung, fix the camera on your $800+ phone. Really sad since when their is zero movement in the image, the quality is pretty fantastic.
EDIT: If anyone can get any subject frozen in motion, please let me know. There may be some defective camera in these phones, but I have not seen any still shots in sports mode of any people caught in movement yet. None.

I agree with your assessment. Also how can we speed up the shutter speed taking a picture with flash? I press the button and seconds later it takes the picture by then I've lost the shot.

Sorry man I have to say I disagree. Every phone I have had, has been bad up until now. I was on HTC then jumped to samsung gs3 then gs4. This has been an issue for so long with all phones. In fact most people I know with Icrap phone will ask me to take the picture instead cuz they can't stand their camera on the iphone. This has been the first time I am satisfied with the camera. Just 3 days ago my daughter had a Christmas show at school and every picture was crystal clear even with all the kids moving. Yesterday too I took my daughters to a chris.as festival and the kids were playing in the fake snow. Again crystal clear. To add to that my wife was using her gs3 and could not get the shots. In fact she was aittle mad at me because I have a phone that takes good pictures and she doesn't. We also need to remember one this this is a cell phone to a thousand dollar nikon that is built to only take pictures. In the end this is a phone it is to answer and make calls and for it to take the picture that it does is amazing. They are almost better than my nikon and that thing is huge. Just my 2 centz.
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A d these kids were moving and squirming all over the place.

I disagree that there's a problem with the camera in the note 4. It's just the nature of an auto setting.
The low aperture allows for a higher shutter speed. Thus less motion blur.
However, in low light situations with a fixed aperture, the iso will rise and shutter speed will drop naturally in an auto setting like on our phones.
And to the pper talking about shutter delay, when you use the flash on a cell phone it will always take a little longer. It sucks and I noticed the note 4 does have a slightly longer delay with the flash being used than some other phones.
If you want total control over all lighting situations and thus little to no motion blur, buy a dslr and some good lenses. You can't expect perfection from a cell phone.
EDIT: sorry, saw you were talking about normal lighting conditions after I posted. I haven't noticed a problem with this with mine in good lighting. My bad!
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If it was not already painfully obvious to any of us with children, the movement of subjects using both the Galaxy Note 4 and Galaxy Note Edge camera results in CONSTANT blurry photos.
EDIT: If anyone can get any subject frozen in motion, please let me know. There may be some defective camera in these phones, but I have not seen any still shots in sports mode of any people caught in movement yet. None.
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You're right they're all blurry... the subject doesn't even need to be in motion... it's software bcos fine detail is being lost.
I have a pic of my cat just sitting on the floor and you can't even make out his nose, and his fur is missing all detail, whereas the floor around him has more detail and is generally sharp.
I have another where he's walking and he's all blurry whereas his surrounds are sharp.
It's like they've totally gone over board with NR.

I dont understand why there aren't way more complaints. Could we have defective cameras? Ones that have the wrong apeture settings?

Are you guys on stock rom?

Stock rooted here.

If it's within 14 days you can exchange it. I'm suprised no one else has any input. I wouldn't make a full conclusion on 2 guys cameras are other parts and 2 guys cameras are good. We need more data.

I am an Australian user and facing same issue.
Close up pics are sharp. Long shots are blurry.
Camera also seems to loose focus.
I have tried all troubleshooting tips.
And no I do not have shaky hands
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I also have the exact same problem as OP, have resorted to using camera in sports mode even for any slightly moving objects as otherwise pics are blurry

I don't have this problem. I have never used sport mode and the pictures taken with my Note 4 are not blurry.

Just made some tests with my Note 4 camera because of this thread. I have to admit, that I rarely use my phone camera, as I have always a system camera with me.
If you want to take a picture of people that are not moving much, you should have a shutter speed of at least 1/60s, if you have moving kids, I'd recommend 1/200s or more. I just took some test shots indoors (evening, only artificial light source) and noticed the Note 4 is limited to ISO 800 max, which results in slow shutter speeds like 1/17s in my conditions. I also tried sports mode, but as the camera is already at its limit, this does not speed up the shutter any more.
If you use the LED flash, the camera will decrease the ISO and keep the shutter speed still slow to decrease noise. The only way to speed up the shutter is to set ISO to 800 fix and force the LED flash. You will sure have more noise in your image, but less motion blur. To speed up even more, you can under expose by one step (EV -1), which will result in a darker image but shutter speed is additionally increased. Unfortunately the noise will get more visible in darker areas as well.
In low light the OIS does a good job as long as there are no moving subjects, but for moving subjects under bad light conditions the Note 4 camera is imho not capable of getting the job done.
I'm using the N910F (Qualcomm), not sure if the Exynos is using a different camera module.

This could be fixed in lolipop. They are opening up restriction in the camera. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Pardon the pun.

HDR related?
I was getting blurry shots in reasonable lighting conditions, until I turned off HDR mode. That seemed to fix the issue for me, and increased the speed a little too.

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Don't use stock camera app. Use example Camera FV-5 for settings - use flash and 800 ISO. Use flash in night mode.
Same for video - author made app for vids too.
I use these apps in SGS II, where in stock camera I couldn't set plenty of things, where in Camera FV-5 I can.

I agree with you. I tried to take a picture and my subject wasnt moving at all and it all blurry. Im not that noob at taking a picture.. fix it please.

ryj01 said:
I agree with your assessment. Also how can we speed up the shutter speed taking a picture with flash? I press the button and seconds later it takes the picture by then I've lost the shot.
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Same problem here after talking shots it shows the pics but after restart the cell pictures lost y y y???

I'm having the same issues, all my closeup pics are great, anything over 5 feet away is completely blurry. I'm on a Sprint phone, well past the 14 days for exchange. This is unacceptable. I can post examples.

About camera?

Hi to all
I have several questions about P20 Pro camera:
1. Did x3 optical zoom and x5 hybrid zoo. Have OIS? (Are they stable like optical zoom on S9+?)
2. Did it recording in 1080p 60fps?
3. Can "light fusion technology " be use for 40mp or just dor 10mp?
4. They didn't tell us so much about video recording. Is video recording better then S9+ or not? (I don't believe to DXO mark, but theysey that P20 Pro have better video recording)
5. Did P20 Pro have better HDR like Pixel Xl 2 and S9?
6. Can I use panorama on RGB sensors (40mp)?
7. I see on Youtube that in Pro mode they have just 3200 ISO, but they show us a 102400 ISO. So the camera is not with last software update?
8. Main camera (40mp) dont have OIS? And is AIS like EIS?

Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.

gavinfabl said:
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?

isko01 said:
Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Yes and yes.

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Yes and yes.
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Thx and thx thx a lot

Camera samples from the devices at the launch.

All the 10MP samples I've seen look excellent. Certainly better than anything currently on the market.
Even in good light, the 40MP shots appear to be poorly lit and also lacking contrast .. I suspect due to both the huge amount of data being read by the camera software, and the very large resulting image, both metering and post processing are highly suspect. I'm sure it will improve with time, but I suspect that it would benefit from Huawei's next-gen SoC.
Zoom lens / sensor photos are surprisingly decent, as is the hybrid zoom.
What I'm most interested in seeing is image stacking / HDR on the main sensor's 10MP output, if it can do that. Huawei's image stacking / HDR has been a lot weaker than Samsung / Google / Open Camera etc previously.
P.S. For anyone wondering, from what I've been told the main 1/1.7" sensor is a Panasonic one.

I have S8 and S9 os not big difference in camera. SO I would like to buy P20 Pro, BUT it really need to be very good camera much better then S8. But what I see from Forbes I was very sad... The P20 Pro is not big improvement from s8, S9 and Iphon x...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...tout-huawei-p20-pro-vs-iphone-x/#bfc5e745d33b
And if the 40mp camera dark in good light, and you can use it for good photo, why then buy this phone? Why did they put 40mp if they dont have "Renesansa" pgoro and video?
P.S. lets meka a Group in telegram about P20 Pro...

The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
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But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.

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The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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Thx for you a answer
So they are not possibility to make with update 40mp much better, or good like 10 mp?
I think if they put better pixel, better sensors like they put and 40mp camera then we can take big photo with very good details when zoom in photo, and very good quality photo. I aspect to see much much much better photo then S9+, pixel xl 2, iphon x... with so much better shadows, lights, and etc...
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?

What do you want 40MP output for? It's highly unlikely you need 10MP.
You realise 4K is 8MP? Assuming you don't have an 8K TV or monitor yet (33MP)?
How many people do large, super high DPI prints of mobile phone photos ... not many I'd wager.

40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.

gavinfabl said:
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
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Waooo you got very good photo. Did you make all in RAW rhen edit or?

The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.

gavinfabl said:
The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?

isko01 said:
Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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I’m expecting the P20 Pro to be a lot better. And the creative options are huge.

does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?

dyepnoodle said:
does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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Someone earlier mentioned it is a Panasonic sensor

isko01 said:
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
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Think back to the PureView tech. On that I believe the camera produced a 5 or 8MP image. In most cases that's the mode you used, even though you could go for the full-sized image. That often had a lot more noise, as the whole point of the 40MP is to use the data from 4 pixels to produce a cleaner 10MP image.
I took a few 40MP images but Google scales it down to 16MP on high-resolution mode (the mode I've chosen as otherwise I'd quickly use up all my storage) so at some point, I'll take a few more and host them elsewhere to share.
Frankly, we've moved on from playing the numbers game where more pixels is anything people cared about. 40MP here is purely to allow Huawei to do its clever stuff (especially the AI assisted night mode) and not just to sound better than the competition, even though I'm sure that's a rather good side-effect for the marketing department!
There are a lot more photos added to the gallery today, including some more from other people who attended the launch.
I am yet to experiment with RAW and the pro mode, and I do wonder if I'll need to as it is such a good phone for just picking up and shooting, letting the phone do its work. The scene detection works very well, although occasionally it may pick a mode you think isn't what you wanted to capture (e.g. a building where it goes for 'blue sky mode' to boost the colour of the sky) although it doesn't ruin the photo. Plus you can turn it off if you prefer. I don't see any need to yet.

hey @jonmorris,
How's the dynamic range compared with the pixel 2/galaxy s9? Maybe, if you own one of them you could post some comparison pictures .

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Razer Phone 2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

i found the stock camera app to be pretty poor coming from a pixel 2 like it was almost dealbreaking. I also have an essential phone that needed a google cam port to be usable. So i went to the gcam repo and spent a good hour trying all the versions from arnova, cstark etc. and i found that the only one that actually works is from BSG for the Mi 8 and the quality is night and day. i posted on reddit about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/

meh
There is no 60 frames-per-second 1080p video nor is there 16 by 9 aspect ratio for photos they are also blurry, the zoom is okay though I guess.

https://imgur.com/gallery/5tkoGjG
Picture taken with it, does an amazing job at medium-low lighting

Razer's photo app does pretty good, minus not having slow motion, beating all my previous phones in clarity, quality and ability to take photos of an always moving 2 year old with very minimal, if any, motion blur, and in low light without flash and no visible grainyness. But to boost your cameras performance, Gcam works wonders (slow motion still does not work) Beware of file sizes of videos, though... An 8 minute 4k video of my daughter was a whopping 2.5gb... and when you take photos at the same time you're recording, they come out much darker than just taking a photo by itself. Photo quality is outstanding, taking bright, clear photos in low light with no motion blur what so ever, and with no visible grainyness or loss of color accuracy. People with high end iPhones and Samsung devices were amazed at the photo quality of the Razer 2 compared to their phones...so a big plus for this phone. I have NO idea what people we're talking about when they said the camera was crap... As far as the photo album app, I think the one that comes with the phone totally sucks, it's the Google albums app, which for me is over complicated, I have no idea how to browse it, or organize it, or create folders, or move them to folders...so, I downloaded a very simple, easy to use gallery app that fits all my needs. VERY simple to understand, I can move things around, create new folders, etc. If you're interested in it, here's the link.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplemobiletools.gallery.pro
It reminds me of the simpler album apps that came with earlier versions of Android Galaxy phones, which is what I'm used to.
EDIT- 10/16/19
Finally found a camera app that makes full use of the camera. Gcam
Version 6.2.030. greatly increased clarity, amazing low light performance, night mode, multiple resolutions to choose from, hdr, hdr+, 4k video, bokke effect in portrait mode, which makes a HUGE improvement in photo dramatic effect when taking pictures of people, and most importantly, to me at least, VERIFIED WORKING SLOW MOTION AND TIME LAPSE... Which for some STUPID REASON Razer has OMITTED from even their latest software update, posted only a couple days ago. Link below for the gcam mod.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rAgBKJ9ZixrsfP2_29HHJabm-2g9etLY/view?usp=drivesdk
I cannot recommend you use this gcam mod enough! It's EXACTLY what this phone was missing all along
Not my work, BTW. Simply pointing a link at someone else's work.

mmfnsmith said:
Razer's photo app does pretty good, minus not having slow motion, beating all my previous phones in clarity, quality and ability to take photos of an always moving 2 year old with very minimal, if any, motion blur, and in low light without flash and no visible grainyness. But to boost your cameras performance, Gcam works wonders (slow motion still does not work) Beware of file sizes of videos, though... An 8 minute 4k video of my daughter was a whopping 2.5gb... and when you take photos at the same time you're recording, they come out much darker than just taking a photo by itself. Photo quality is outstanding, taking bright, clear photos in low light with no motion blur what so ever, and with no visible grainyness or loss of color accuracy. People with high end iPhones and Samsung devices were amazed at the photo quality of the Razer 2 compared to their phones...so a big plus for this phone. I have NO idea what people we're talking about when they said the camera was crap... The only problem I have is audio quality issues. Sounds like they have a background noise suppression setting turned on by default.
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Try this. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p9wTQKDUWFDrOMX2zAofWl7G2ULpTdRn/view?usp=drivesdk

I'm pretty blown away with this camera, especially in very low light. I downloaded the gcam app. And just wow!
This is a picture in my hobby room with just the light from my computer monitor no other lights or flash
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Try this. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p9wTQKDUWFDrOMX2zAofWl7G2ULpTdRn/view?usp=drivesdk
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Hey man, I tried this app you linked to and here are some comparison shots.
In our play room with low light currently.
Stock camera app
You linked camera app
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Hey, a Razer Phone 2-specific version of GCam was uploaded to https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ the other day. I downloaded it, and it's so much faster than the MI8 version. It's bloody quick. No more loading ring when I'm taking a picture. Just a flash as the picture is taken.

The quality is "okay" but not that good
I hope they'll do better in the future .
Mini Militia App Lock

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i found the stock camera app to be pretty poor coming from a pixel 2 like it was almost dealbreaking. I also have an essential phone that needed a google cam port to be usable. So i went to the gcam repo and spent a good hour trying all the versions from arnova, cstark etc. and i found that the only one that actually works is from BSG for the Mi 8 and the quality is night and day. i posted on reddit about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/
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How do you like the Razer 2 w/gcam compared to the Pixel 2?

I just installed the RP 2 gcam from the link and only saw a lowlight/indoors performance difference while indoors. Once I went outside there was a bit of a split decision. On one hand the dynamic range of gcam was a lot better and maintained clear details in the image. There were a couple of occassions where the stock camera app took a more appealing picture. Most of the pics while outside in good natural light were almost identical; only zooming in all the way and searching would you see the difference. Again, that goes back to the dynamic range and how the apps process the images once you take the picture. At some point we need to stop splitting hairs on the most minor detail that really isn't discernable unless you zoom in 300% an search vice when you look at the normal zoom image. I have noticed however, the RP2 does over process more often than not, leading to it softening the image way too much causing a slight blur in the details. But other times it takes really good pictures.

I just uninstalled the gcam app now. I don't know what happened but was using the camera a few hours after installing and testing it out and I noticed major artifacts, color distortion and image distortion when I am looking at the screen and moving the phone around to different subjects. I also notice it having a real hard time adjusting the exposure and balance. The removal of the gcam app hasn't seemed to fix anything. I may have to reset the phone to get it functioning again.

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There is no 60 frames-per-second 1080p video nor is there 16 by 9 aspect ratio for photos they are also blurry, the zoom is okay though I guess.
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Not bad...

I just got the phone, and knew going into it the camera was going to be bad (doubly bad considering I was coming from an LG V20!). What I didn't expect was just how bad HDR is on the stock app. It's rather laughable. The first image is a normal photo on the telephoto lens. The second photo is an HDR shot on the same lens. I plan to play around with Gcam, but HDR will never see the light of day on my stock app. Lol

Not as good as my motorola z2 force. Really, very bad! I can only play games now. . . . Maybe gaming phones can only play games.

Themes / Apps / Mods Samsung Expert Raw app

FYI, just noticed the release of the Expert Raw app by Samsung, supporting all lenses for the S21 Ultra. Editing can be done through Adobe Lighthouse for Samsung.
The app is release in South Korea, but als available through mirror sites.
More info here

thanks.

Manual controls over the telephoto lenses are awesome. However sadly "RAW" here is used loosely since there's built in noise reduction that cannot be adjusted.
Top is "Expert RAW" DNG to JPG with just adjusting brightness. No noise reduction is applied and yet there is very little detail. Bottom picture is just stock camera night mode. More noise, but also more detail.
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I'm testing Expert RAW now and mus confirm, noise reduction exist even on DNG file. You suggest to use other app?

I'll test it tonight

Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen.
2nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.

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To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
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Sad but True. Higher ISO level = more agressive processing.
This example with some lightroom touches from x10 tele captured on ISO 50 but on tripod gimbal with 1/15s time.
Glad that they gave us full control at all, that's the most important thing, but they also had to give something back.

More examples with little lightroom postpro. All lenses and this time all captured from hand. Expert RAW creates multiple ammount of photos to some kind of HDR RAW. Anyway theare are much better than photos from standard camera app. Less processing but still exist.

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Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen. View attachment 54668372nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
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3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
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To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
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lol that's the thing though, the sensors aren't mediocre. Having a Snapdragon with access to telephoto RAW for a while now, I can definitely say that they're pretty good albeit a little soft and lack contrast. I think it's that Samsung's algorithm is still problematic and they are still catering to the common user who they think is scared of any signs of noise.
Here's a zoomed in picture of a 10x GCam RAW zoomed in with Photoshop Express without noise reduction
And here's the Expert RAW version

Wow, the Gcam looks very nice. That's exactly what I hope to get out of the Exynos someday )

Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more

PhilMorin said:
Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more
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what GCAM mod are you using btw?

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what GCAM mod are you using btw?
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Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.

PhilMorin said:
Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.
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if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?

ski.ign said:
if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?
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Gcam build number is 8.1.101, might still be available from the links in beserker gcam for snapdragon thread

test

How can I install it? It's a zip file

Hello, i have question - how LOSELESS JPEG function works? Can You share some photos without editing it in external editors like lightroom? I'm interested how jpg from expert camera looks like.

I don't see any different between this camera end the stock camera

Hi, I am not sure what you mean by lossless jpeg. I couldn't find a setting for this. Here you can find 6 JPEG photos. 3 with stock, 3 with expert. All settings (ISO, Exposure, Focus distance, White balance) should be exactly the same as I have manually selected them while keeping the phone on a tripod. Auto HDR was disabled too. https://we.tl/t-WSBZjBGaNB
Also, I am on the Exynos variant.