Hi everybody,
I’ve prereserved my Note 9, and while waiting for the release date I’m scrolling through the news and forums just to get teased a bit more
A question I’m asking myself though, is: do I really need to root this phone? I’ll lose some functionalities by rooting it (samsung pay/android pay, safetynet apps, knox...) but I’ll surely miss others too (adaway, xposed, tweaks...)
I always rooted all my devices unconditionnaly, like it’s part of my default setup, but do you guys think it’s still needed those days? Is there really a benefit, or can you live without root?
I use to be an avid 'root my phone asap' kinda guy, but the main reason was for wireless hotspot. It's included in most plans now, so I don't feel the need to. I liked getting a cleaner build, less bloatware. To each there own, but with a locked bootloader here in the US it may be a while as you'll need a unlocked version. Carriers here will have it locked down.
the first thing i'm going to do with the phone when i get it is rooting it, hopefully there is a working twrp and there is no oem timeout for unlocking the bootloader.
i can't live without adaway and titanium backup.
releasedate is thursday next week in sweden, can't wait, i have preordered the 512gb model in blue.
Not worth it anymore. Used to be mandatory when Android wasn't as feature rich and mature, but no reason for me to anymore.
In my case root would be needed only for app data transfer from the old phone. After that I don't see the need of root.
Anyway.. how about knox fuse trip and warranty?
Is this still a thing today? Was it in Note 5 7 8?
I know it was in Note 4. But what about later models?
I used to root, but not any more. I get the US unlocked version to cut down on the bloatware. Samsung has made it sooo easy to theme and skin the phone that it's pointless to root for that. Samsung pay is awesome and I use it more and more every day. Smart Switch has taken the place of Titanium back up, and it's free and very simple to use. Also with the 512gb version I ordered , not too worried about the few programs that I dont like but are included.
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I used to root the second i got a device, however since the 8 and also with the 9 i dont bother any more, all the reasons before were to get better battery life slim down etc, i just use package disable pro now and im done. Besides no point in tripping knox loosing secure folder and faffimng around to get google pay working etc. I love to tinker but the benefits are just not there any more imho
Most probably first phone i will not root. especially for warranty purpose with the know feature
Thanks for the input Now that I have some answers I can give my insights too. I think I'll (be able to) wait a few days before being tempted to root it, but I'm pretty sure there will be a day, especially when Samsung will drop updates and I'll have to use custom ROMs if I want to stay up to date or maybe get the Note 10 port
The things I would miss if I don't root are: Adaway, TWRP (flashing and full backup/restore), MyBackup Pro, debloating, Xposed probably, Viper4Android maybe.
I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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Ultimately, you don't necessarily have to root to debloat. You can just flash and use TWRP for this. Although when you boot into TWRP it triggers Knox and you lose those related functionalities.
This will be the second phone im not gonna root. First was the pixel 3 i need samsung pay in my life and plus im getting the locked sprint version. Im scared tho i really do want a clean build. Going with sammy since the s6. I dont want a phone with a notch so i figure i use my upgrade this year
I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Yup. Sounds so much better!
I personally stopped rooting since the Note 7 / S7E. I now find Samsung experience to offer me more than enough to keep from rooting. I've rooted all my phones since from the Dream G1 to Galaxy S1, Note 2, to the Note 4.
I root day 0 or I don't buy. Phone is worthless without Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP.
i'm leaning towards no root. but it may be difficult to swallow at first, i think i've rooted the last 4 galaxies i've had... before that was a Nokia. I will undoubtedly miss ad-away, and i've made good use of Xposed on my recent Note5, but many people mention TitaniumBackup and i just don't use it much anymore. I have done a couple full backups with TWRP and used restore from it a couple times, but lets face it... those are things i wouldn't need if a hadn't broke something in a Root function in the first place! All in all, hoping for the best without Root - I want Knox intact. If you guys don't hear from me in the next week or two, i drowned in advertisements.
I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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THIS!
I'd rather have the option, but, no such animal for US Samsung devices.
I can deal w/o it on Samsung devices, thanks to Package Disabler Pro & the ad blocking app Block-This.
Is it a perfect substitute for root?
No, but, this gives me the best of what's important to me with the minimum of compromises.
No interest in non-Samsung based ROMs for this phone, why bother picking up a Note to strip it of its unique features........
Currently using a VZW Note 5 using Package Disabler Pro & Block-This..... Doing just fine, the pragmatic part of my twisted mind (on life support, LOL) tells me to save my money & wait until next year, but, I bought this particular phone in great condition @ a great price, to use solely as a trade-in for T-Mobile"s $500 bill credit.....
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So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
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So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
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Howzit man, congrats on the phone and Gear.
Well I am running stock note 3 and null_21 on the Gear.
I am leaving the note stock for now because dont really have the need or want to root at this stage....but
Rooting the gear definitely has major advantages over stock. Just makes the device so more useful and fun to use. I am enjoying it alot more after root. Read the root guides and watch some video of rooted gears and you will see how much better it becomes
Cheers
Thanks man. So I won't be missing out on any Gear functionality but not rooting the Note is what I'm assuming?
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There's a lot of functionality that you're going to be missing out on both devices by not rooting. You don't necessarily need a custom ROM on the Note 3 either to get significantly more enjoyment out of it. Keep in mind that there are some rooting methods out there for the Note 3 that trip the KNOX warranty counter and others that don't, so if you root make sure to pay attention to that. Once you're rooted install Xposed framework and grab some modules like Wanam, Tinted Status Bar, Disable Clear Defaults Dialog, and App Settings. Those are the 4 I use and they are glorious. As for the Gear I'm currently working on rooting/installing a custom ROM on it because I want Google Now, which apparently requires Bluetooth Tethering to be enabled from what I can tell.
If you're not comfortable with doing this just yet give it a few months, you'll likely get the itch to tweak with more stuff and the Xposed/root thing should scratch that for a while. I got my Note 3 at launch and literally installed my first custom ROM yesterday, so it's possible to hold off
I know I'm missing out on both by not rooting. After all of the stuff I've read on tripping Knox I'm wary about rooting the Note. I did notice however that I do already BT tethering as an option on the stock Sprint Note rom. I don't know if it will be limited like the wifi tether would be though. After all of the bugs and glitches and battery life issues I had with my old EvoLTEs I was just resigned to keeping the Note stock and especially now that they have officially confirmed 4.4 coming it's way. I'm planning in holding off on the Note until a root method for 4.4 comes around.
As far as the Gear goes... I am itching to root this thing badly and see what this little doodad from hell can do. I just need to sit down and read all of the tutorials as I have always done so that I don't become forum fodder for asking questions that were already answered.
Long story long... am I going to give up and Gear functionality by not rooting the Note assuming bluetooth tethering functions on the stock note rom or is the Gear root functionality independent of whatever phone I have it attached to?
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Howdy folks! I'd like to ask all of you SGS6 Edge users for your opinions regarding the "worthiness" of retaining root vs updating. For the TLDR please go to the bottom! :good:
I used to be super active on here, making small tweaks/apps for people all starting around the Droid Bionic ... so lets just say I'm not stranger to the world of root/customization.
With that being said, since the peak of my crack-flashing habit during the days of the Galaxy S3 I have slowed down quite a bit. Part of that is my own life (I'm older, have way more responsibility at home)...but I believe a much larger factor has been locked phones and a quieter development scene (at least with Samsung devices).
I've had my Edge rooted since the root became available - and I suppose I mostly use it to access the file system, remove bloat, and run the occasional "root only" app.
In the time that I've been rooted on OE2 (running CleanROM 1.5) there have been a few rather large updates to the phone's software both aimed at fixing issues and adding features. As I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone, root hasn't been attained for these new releases .. and I'm somewhat skeptical that it ever will as this device becomes "older".
SO the TLDR here is:
How many of you who HAD their Edge rooted decided to give up root to update their device? Was it worth it to you? Would you do it again if you had the chance, or would you have just kept root?
I updated and I wouldn't go back. Sure I miss the ad blocking and some other fun stuff, but the phone is so much more stable and usable after the updates. If you don't use root for much (which I didn't considering we never got Xposed anyway) I'd recommend doing the update, personally. I followed basically the same path as you. I flashed a new ROM or kernel basically daily on my S3, and have slowly felt more of a need for a more usable phone than being able to tweak it beyond recognition. If you're anything like I am now, you'll appreciate the stability that upgrading brings.
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I updated and I wouldn't go back. Sure I miss the ad blocking and some other fun stuff, but the phone is so much more stable and usable after the updates. If you don't use root for much (which I didn't considering we never got Xposed anyway) I'd recommend doing the update, personally. I followed basically the same path as you. I flashed a new ROM or kernel basically daily on my S3, and have slowly felt more of a need for a more usable phone than being able to tweak it beyond recognition. If you're anything like I am now, you'll appreciate the stability that upgrading brings.
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I'm definitely leaning in that direction. I think a big part of it is literally mental/mind over matter ... just knowing my phone is more my phone and less Verizon's certainly makes an impact.
I updated as well, the phone is running better I think. I do miss ad blocking and tb. Being able to disable apps is helpful. Sometimes I wish I wouldn't have but for the most part I'm happy with it. I hate that Verizon is making us make this decision. The struggle is real!
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Howdy folks! I'd like to ask all of you SGS6 Edge users for your opinions regarding the "worthiness" of retaining root vs updating. For the TLDR please go to the bottom! :good:
I used to be super active on here, making small tweaks/apps for people all starting around the Droid Bionic ... so lets just say I'm not stranger to the world of root/customization.
With that being said, since the peak of my crack-flashing habit during the days of the Galaxy S3 I have slowed down quite a bit. Part of that is my own life (I'm older, have way more responsibility at home)...but I believe a much larger factor has been locked phones and a quieter development scene (at least with Samsung devices).
I've had my Edge rooted since the root became available - and I suppose I mostly use it to access the file system, remove bloat, and run the occasional "root only" app.
In the time that I've been rooted on OE2 (running CleanROM 1.5) there have been a few rather large updates to the phone's software both aimed at fixing issues and adding features. As I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone, root hasn't been attained for these new releases .. and I'm somewhat skeptical that it ever will as this device becomes "older".
SO the TLDR here is:
How many of you who HAD their Edge rooted decided to give up root to update their device? Was it worth it to you? Would you do it again if you had the chance, or would you have just kept root?
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I was a hardcore Samsung user until the Note 3/S4 when root became more difficult to obtain and keep (updating). I even bought a Developer S5 so I could crack flash. As of late, the Galaxy line and development (for Verizon at least) is dead. If you want root/development on Verizon ditch the S6E and get a MXP. You can sell your used phone for about what a brand new unlocked Moto X Pure will cost you....unlockable bootloader, development, and a sd card.
I wouldn't buy a computer without administrative rights and I won't buy (and keep) a phone that I can't obtain root on.
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Went through the same dilemma. The final straw for me was finding Package Disabler Pro (costs like 2.99) and that allowed me to at least disable the bloatware and remove it to a degree. I was really worried about losing Viper4android, greenify, and adaway. So far using the built in sound equalizer, the ram management improvements, theme store and the adblocker browser have been more then sufficient in maintaining the experience I was used to. Overall 10/10 experience would un-root again.
I was rooted and gave it up to get up to date. Without Xposed there really was not that much important stuff I wanted from root.
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Went through the same dilemma. The final straw for me was finding Package Disabler Pro (costs like 2.99) and that allowed me to at least disable the bloatware and remove it to a degree. I was really worried about losing Viper4android, greenify, and adaway. So far using the built in sound equalizer, the ram management improvements, theme store and the adblocker browser have been more then sufficient in maintaining the experience I was used to. Overall 10/10 experience would un-root again.
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Same here. Once I found package disabler I was very happy losing root for the update.
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Please I use package disabler, and I ask it to disable bloat ware but I realised most of useful stuffs were also disabled. Can I kindly get a list of stuffs you safely disabled without affecting phone functionality
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Can you upload your xml file
Here is my XML. I didn't do an extremely thorough debloat but it gets rid of most of my useless icons and speeds things up a bit. No negative effects from it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6jz8Bcr3sVVemw0MzYwa3Z5eTg/view?usp=docslist_api
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If,,,,with the delays from Samsung, my S6 Edge gets MM I have serious doubts that I will update my phone. I will most likely wait until MM has been proven to be something better enough for me to lose root. However, I am still very shocked that this phone does not have any dev support? I know carriers like Verizon make it hard, if not impossible, to root but c'mon now I know there are devs out there that could crack this but they have either stopped or moved on to paid positions helping find exploits for carriers and manufacturers.
Thanks
I am currently running a rooted edge, which I did right after the phone's release. I will be updating to a non-rooted marshmellow as it has the permissions control, which is what I originally wanted root for.
However I will really miss not having the csv editor as I have been able to tweak the phone a lot due to some stupid samsung decisions.
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If,,,,with the delays from Samsung, my S6 Edge gets MM I have serious doubts that I will update my phone. I will most likely wait until MM has been proven to be something better enough for me to lose root. However, I am still very shocked that this phone does not have any dev support? I know carriers like Verizon make it hard, if not impossible, to root but c'mon now I know there are devs out there that could crack this but they have either stopped or moved on to paid positions helping find exploits for carriers and manufacturers.
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I did end up giving up root. While there's plenty of things I miss, I have to admit the update has been a very good experience.
I think a lot of devs have moved on to paid positions as network security becomes one of the most lucrative industries out there. I also think carriers put a lot more emphasis on locking down their devices now than they did previously (call me captain obvious on that one..)
If only the bootloader unlock would be leaked like it was for the GS3
How does Tasker work with the unroot MM update? I have so many profiles I do not want to lose in Tasker.
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 Don't worry about Knox (Extremely hard to do on Snapdragon)
2 Root
3 No, so don't worry
4 You worry too much about Knox and yes you can go to stock.
cgrimm9 said:
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 yes
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3 there is no twrp for u1
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Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Magisk will not allow Samsung Pay to work. It will not work with a rooted device. It is military grade security, which is good thing.
cgrimm9 said:
I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Bought the wrong phone for customization.
Curious also, any suggestions.
Like the creator of this thread I can completely admit to being 100% novice. I started out back with the s3, and bricked my first phone, rooted successfully the 2nd time.... But not by any luck of my own, more like i could not figure out how to install superuser, so all i got was a rom that was already rooted and some how managed to flash it over using CWM. Now, many years later.... and yes, i was out (thank you prison) till this year. I now have a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, model number sm-n950u. I have done nothing at all to it, how ever i did download Odin3 3.12.3. I also went to a web page and found platform tools, the adb.exe, which to my knowledge means the Android debugging bridge? either way, I also then downloaded CSC_OYN_N950UOYN1AQIA_CL12185999_QB14995093_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar. Now, like many retards before me (myself included) I can't help but to be curious as to the benefits of rooting my device. Or at some point my gf's s8, though she would probably never trust me. Heck, i do not trust myself either because i am still making payments to att for the phone. But I am curious, where would a beginner begin??? where are some easy tutorials for learning how to use odin, or twrp, or cwm, or anything that would help me start.
Cough OnePlus 5T sir would give you the customization your looking for.
Noticed but not a big deal just got to deal with what I got
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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Not much help But 3 Words Because you can:good::good::good:
Biggest thing for me is viper and other small time root only apps Xposed And minor debloat
twrp,SU,magisk,xposed
a device without the above is just an other apple.
bober10113 said:
twrp,SU,magisk,xposed
a device without the above is just an other apple.
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LOL, I have to disagree. I have an iPhone 7 for work (not my choice), and an unrooted, stock Note8. It's SO much better than an Apple.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
LOL, I have to disagree. I have an iPhone 7 for work (not my choice), and an unrooted, stock Note8. It's SO much better than an Apple.
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The proverbial apple in this case is never worst that the actual device
Stock note 8 to me is fine. I use blockada does a good jobs at blocking adds. It's the first phone I did not root. And not planning to. I know this is a thread to why you should root your phone. With this question depends on model if there is no tarp support for your model then root to me is pointless.
Now why not to root your
AddictedToGlass said:
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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You already sound convinced not to. Either way if you do update there is still root up to the February Snapdragon update.
Thanks for the comments.
The Note 8 will be the first phone that I've decided not to root or jailbreak if I do keep it stock (which it looks like I might do).
I love rooted phones, and in describing the Note 8 to my brother during a recent call, I actually said that this phone is so good that I might not even bother to root it.
LOL - not everyone gets what a compliment that is.
I know you want someone to convince you to root it but this phone really doesn't even need root, it's that good stock to me
The S8+ and Note 8 are the first 2 phones I haven't rooted since the T-Mobile G-1 in 2009. I do miss Adaway, TWRP, Root Explorer and Titanium Backup..........................................but I'll live without them for the time being.
AddictedToGlass said:
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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It's simple, you root because you want or need to. No reason for anyone but you to convince you. I decided that I like custom Roms and root more than Knox.
I don't have to worry about warranty because I live in the European union and have a mandatory warranty as long as flashing custom software was not the cause of whatever it is breaking on my phone.
First off, yes i have searched thru the forums for an answer but none of those that I found are direct to my questions...
I just placed an order for S21 Ultra Exynos. Should be arriving within the next 2 days or so..
My questions are: (this will be my first Samsung phone)
1) Is one UI good enough? or is it worth it to flash a custom from (previously I used to flash custom from for better battery life and also advance customization.
2) If I unlock the bootloader, will I still receive firmware updates?
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life, camera, and performance.
And also because Samsung promised 3-4 years for firmware updates. I believe this phone will last for at least 3 years.
And I'm thinking of unlocking the bootloader on day 1 itself before even setting up anything. That way I would save my time from losing stuff by resetting after unlocking BL.
3) and also, did anyone get the Samsung care+ extended warranty? Is it worth it?
I have never broken a phone before in my life thus far. But since this is gonna be the most expensive phone I have ever bought, I would prefer to secure my investment. (another reason why I'm considering not to unlock bootloader/root as of yet).
Thank you soo much.
Have not done rooting for a long time. Lost touch will all this stuff.
Hence the noobie questions.
1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
enigmaamit said:
1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
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Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
RSGI said:
Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
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Agree. The trend for Android devices aping the Apple philosophy is disturbing. But for lack of good alternatives, we are left without too many choices. OnePlus seemed to be doing well on this front but lately they've also gone rogue. So we have to live with what we have, whether we like it or not...
guyderam said:
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life
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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
To be perfectly honest, the battery life is the only gripe I have with this phone. It's quite mediocre for a 5000mAh battery. Of course everyone's usage is different, but I expected better battery life. If you're not a "heavy" user you should be fine though!!
As for bootloader unlocking: I've had 2 S21 Ultras. I had the first one unlocked for a dumb reason, wanted to flash some magisk module to enable all lenses in Google Camera ports basically. Which is kinda funny because now with OneUI 4.0 all the lenses are available in GCam
back to the actual topic, now that I have my second S21U, I don't see a reason to unlock the bootloader. From what I've seen there's only one or two Exynos custom ROMs that are regularly updated. That's the first thing. The 2nd thing is, I just don't wanna trip Knox again and void my warranty.
For me unlocking the BL is not worth it (at the moment). You should consider the pros and the cons of unlocking and hopefully it'll be easier to decide then.
With that being said, enjoy your S21 Ultra, man.
jericho246 said:
Okay so who's gonna tell him?
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Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
guyderam said:
Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
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But really, what do you want to do with your phone that's not already in-built. I was thinking the same but over the years Android (and it's custom OEMs) have gotten a lot better with companies baking a lot of the magisk modules (their versions) into their ROMs...I didn't root my OnePlus 7Pro, neither the S21U..don't see the need to (at least for the time being)...
A few things, updates are forfeited after root and also be aware Android 12, One UI 4.0 is far from stable. If it hasn't been preinstalled you should consider ignoring the update until the numerous bugs are addressed. I've had a number of S Series devices, only the S8+ was a Exynos variant, all others had the Snapdragon SoC's and never had a warranty issue. I wouldn't buy the Samsung Care+ but it's like any other insurance, you hate paying for it but happy you did if you ever need it. Unless you're a power user battery life shouldn't be an issue but if it is you can review numerous posts for corrective solutions. Based on what you've shared it's probably best you hold off on unlocking the bootloader, to me there aren't many compelling reasons when one considers all the consequences. I think you'll be OK with the stock device.
I consider myself as a relatively advanced user and was always playing rooted with all of the S devices I had. There were always workarounds for root detection by apps and samsung itself BUT now things have changed and I regret having rooted my S21.
As samsung is enforcing its restrictions against root, I find myself (while being rooted) unable to connect my GW4, unable to use latest Samsung Health app, unable to use Samsung Pay and lately even the samsung account keeps disconnecting for "security reasons" several times a day... What a mess !
As previously said, returning to stock with locked bootloader won't give a 100% functional device as the tripped Knox will still be there preventing you from using some samsung apps and features !
If it gets more complicated, I only have 2 choices : get a "virgin" S21 or say goodbye to Samsung.
With that said, you now know where you're going if you choose to go that way