Moto G6 v.s Redmi note 5 pro. Which one should I buy for the long run(approx 4 year)? - Moto G6 Questions & Answers

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Neither. If you are really looking for long run you should buy Moto e4 plus (80 odd usd) or Moto e5 plus (180 odd usd). Each charge of battery lasts for 3-4 days in these phones. That means every year you'd be charging the phone approximately 100 times. Phone battery goes down to 50% by 500 chraging cycle. And the battery capacity severely affects cpu performances. Plus these phones would never get any updates and the performances would not change in terms of operating system. As apps evolve and demand more RAM, the phone would feel increasingly slower. But given 3GB ram on E5 plus and expandable storage, and 5G LTE coming soon (full rollout by 2020), you'd feel better to get rid of the 180 usd phone after 2-2.5 years of usage. (I use a Boost Moto G6 play myself for media consumption (80 usd) with an iPhone 6s plus (4 year old now - did a 29 usd battery change) as the daily driver, this is an unbiased "opinion").

I mean this with all due respect and reverence to SB581240. And I write this from a strictly pragmatic and realistic point of view.
I would suspect that battery life plays a factor in most smartphone purchases. I would also guess that probably less than 10% of all smartphone buyers, would rank battery life as the single most important feature. I'm going to assume that the OP is considering the phone's as a whole, and not how often he has to charge it in a given year. So with those ideas mentioned, allow me to introduce the likely facts...
Lets start with the battery idea, just for grins. This is regarding the previous post and the recommendation of the E5 Plus. Anything after that will be strictly dealing with the Redmi vs Moto G6, as thats what the subject of the OP deals with.
The Redmi Note 5 Pro has a 4000ma battery, compared to the e5 plus 5000ma. Yes, the e5 has approximately 25% more 'juice'. While this is true, it doesn't tell the whole story. 1)The Snapdragon 636 in the Redmi is built on a much more modern and extremely more efficient 14nm process. The MUCH Older E5's platform is based upon a Snapdragon 425 and its 28nm process. Remember, this processor was first available in the summer of 2016. The Redmi's 14nm process 636 was introduce just last fall. Physics and real-world testing show that the 14nm process is approximately 35% more efficient. To put that in perspective -- think about it like this. If all things were equal between the two phones, except for the 14/28nm processes.... the Redmi would last approximately 35% longer on a charge. So simply adding a 25% larger battery, would not bridge the difference. The Redmi would still win by around 10% in single charge life expectancy. We must also take into consideration the type of charging that is offered. The Redmi wins out in a landslide... using today's Quick Charge 4.0, while the E5 uses the largely outdated 2.0. The difference in staggering. The 4.0 will give an approx 50% charge (from 0%) in about 5 minutes. The 2.0 will take around 30-45 minutes to do the same. Last thing I'll say about the battery... the Redmi, as I've pointed out, has a 4000mah. The G6 has just a 3000mah. A full 33% more juice with the Redmi.
Now lets get down to the facts that most of us care about between the Note 5 Pro and the G6:
CPU: The snapdragon 636 vs 450. The 636 wins in a landslide. Both are on 14nm dies. But the 636 is on a whole other level. Geekbench single core performance is approximately 90% higher (roughly double). 1385 vs 750. Multi-Core performance is 4700 vs 3800. Both use 8 cores, but the Redmi uses Big/Little styles with 4x cores being A72's compared to the G6 using A53's. This is where the single core performance just blows it away.
RAM: Again, the Redmi is lightyears ahead here. It has 50% MORE RAM than the G6. Further, the G6 uses a slower and somewhat outdated DDR3 ram @ 933mhz, while the Redmi uses the modern DDR4 @ 1333mhz. Recall, Swap, and ZRAM are vastly improved because of this.
I could go line by line highlighting the differences and the advantages of going with the Redmi 5 Pro... There's really no comparison. Today, and definitely 'tomorrow'.. the Redmi is the way to go.
I love my Motorola G6 Play. Its a nice mid-level budget phone. It does everything I want and need it to do. Mine is rooted, and I use kernel auditor, along with L-Speed scripts. I have improved my between charge times from about 30 hours up to a current best of 52 hours. I use a custom conservative governor that I modded the tuneables for unbelievable responsiveness and quick factoring down. I also use an alternative GPU governor. On top of this, L-Speed allows me to use aggressive doze, and several battery related tweaks... and literally puts the phone into "Deep Sleep" seconds after the screen turns off... using next to nothing in power as long as its in this state. 8-9 hours of screen off time at night consumes 1% of the battery. And by using Kernel Auditor, I have 3 profiles saved. 1)the conservative tune for battery life. 2)a multitasking tune for heavier use of resources when doing multiple tasks. 3)a gaming profile for locked in 1401mhz/650mhz cpu/gpu, LMK tweaks, entropy adjustments, and heavy I/O tweaks.
This phone is optimized in every way that is currently available, and for any form of use that I can come up with. So no complaints.
FYI, I'll be starting a thread in the coming days listing the different profiles I've mentioned here so that others may double their battery life, or increase their performance by 10-15% if they so choose.
Thanks for reading!

There is a long response above, which I believe is informative (because I have no clue). Just for a reference, 5G is coming really soon, so strap on your chest belts, your phones with all its 8GB RAM, 1TB ROM, 4-5-6 clusters of cameras are going to be dumpster-ready soon.
Now, just for a quick reference: iPhone X has 3GB RAM, it has the best-in-class AMOLED display which is a drag on RAM but nevertheless 3GB. A11 Bionic is faster than any Snapdragon (including 845). So that's that. Fastest processor, best display, 3GB RAM.
I know we are on XDA and all these RAM processor battery entropy adjustments LMK tweaks are really important and so on. But as I have a limited perspective on these things, if I am buying a phone today, the only feature I'd be interested in is the price. Why? All phones will be dumpster-ready by 2019.

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Dual core?

I watched a YouTube video review of a rom to flash, and the guy mentioned he had a 2 core kernel...
Is there an advantage other that maybe battery consumption as to why you would use a 2 core kernel vice the stock quad core?
not really pretty much the only thing you could expect is worse or same ui performance and the battery savings end up being less than the 50% you'd expect from nixing half your cores. Which is the reason Google decided to just turn all 4 cores on all the time rather than plugging and unplugging them as needed. Minimal battery savings wasn't worth the sluggish ui.
You may not get any battery savings, depending on usage. If you have fewer cores to process tasks, that means that the two that are there would have a higher percentage of run time in a higher power state. If they stay in the high power state longer, you'd end up using more battery rather than less. Using all of the cores allows the system to get to the idle/low power state faster.
Also i believe with all 4 cores running continuously, sharing the work load, it produces less heat as opposed to having only 2 cores running mostly at a higher state which would keep the phone warm most of the time.
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Well I was just curious. It was a video review of pure nexus and he briefly mentioned that he had the dual core kernel flashed but he didn't elaborate, so I figured I'd ask.
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LG v40 battery life and processor performance.

Hello everybody I'm curious about the performance of the LG v40 in terms of How It's processor performs and the length of time the phone can be off the charger before it has to be recharged.
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It's going to be a while before you get enough people to give all the different usages to get a decent baseline.
But so far, it's significantly out performing my old V20 and after 10 hours of use still has 40+% battery use. That usage would've depleted nearly two V20 batteries.
I was scared to go with a phone that didn't have a replacement battery option ... alas, that ship has sailed, but if this processor performs this well and leaves that much juice after a full day ... I think I'll do just fine. (I'll still use car charger, but now keep a portable charger in my briefcase too.)

How long does your battery last?

I have two weeks with this phone a moto g6 and every day I get 5:30 hours of active screen. Is this right?
I had a galaxy j7 and after two years of use the battery lasted the same than my actual moto g6
adrianLuna said:
I have two weeks with this phone a moto g6 and every day I get 5:30 hours of active screen. Is this right?
I had a galaxy j7 and after two years of use the battery lasted the same than my actual moto g6
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I usually get 26-30hrs of SoT with the G6 Play. You should get roughly half of that since you have 4 more cores than I do. I had the J7 Perx (J727p) before this, and I got about 12-14hrs SoT on that.
Some back of the napkin math gives me this.
My 4000mah vs your 3100mah gives me %22.5 more battery.
So, I find %77.5 of my total SoT in order to match your battery capacity, which gives me 20.15hrs. (I used 26hrs as the base, since that's my low end.)
Now I divide by 2, because you have 2x more cores than I do. And I'm left with 10.075hrs of SoT.
I think you should get somewhere between 12-14hrs based on this. Power consumption doesn't scale linearly with core count, which is why I placed my estimate higher than 10.075hrs.
Here's some huge power hogs that you might want to check on. Turning these off or removing them entirely will greatly improve your battery life.
*WiFi and Bluetooth scanning.
*Facebook, Instagram, or social media apps in general.
*Digital well being.
*Google sync.
*Location services.
*NFC.
*Adaptive battery & battery saver. (Yeah, it sounds crazy but turning these off will actually improve your battery life.)
These last 2 are found in the developer options near the bottom.
*Tethering hardware acceleration.
*Mobile data always on.
I hope this helps you out. Our chipsets are in the same family, so my estimates shouldn't be very far off. As they say, the proof is in the pudding, so here's a screen shot.
I'm not sure what spaceminer is doing but it's not typical. I have both phones. Moto g6 gets 6-7 hrs OST, Moto g6 play is 7-8 hrs.

Question Battery life not lasting a day....

So I bought the new S21 Ultra on the pre order the day it was announced. I was one of the lucky ones to get early so I could leave a review.
Coming from a Note 10+ that I had for a year and a half, I was really excited for the S21 Ultra, but was really disappointed with the battery life. I've had the phone for 5 days now and since the very beginning I've not been able to use the phone for the whole day on a single charge. It's been giving me screen on times comparable to my Note 10+ (4/5 hours) which is a much older device, but I thought maybe this was the way all S21 ultra's were behaving, just not very good battery life.
BUT, yesterday all the youtubers started to publish they're videos comparing batteries with older S devices and Iphones and their S21s were doing amazing, giving them screen on times of up to 13 hours!
I contacted support but they said this would be normal as my phone was still learning user patterns... but I'm not sure if that would affect it as bad as it is at the moment.
Also, I installed accubattery which is not 100% reliable but compared it to my note 10+ and it seems that battery health is even lower that my Note (95%)! Which I've had for a year and a half!!!
What do you guys think? Should I send the phone back? I'm really concerned that I just spent all this money on a new phone for it to be so bad with battery.
Try disabling all power management.
In Developer options>standby apps all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is running.
Google Play Services, Backup Transport and Framework are known hogs.
Disable all the bloatware, turn off auto sync for gmail, turn off all feedback.
You'll need to sort it out and optimize it. Took me months to get my 10+ sorted out. Fortunately it's running on Pie so I had more diagnostic options.
Returning is a thought as 5G may have been poorly implemented and another source of power drain. I think everything after the 10+ 4G both hardware and OS are train wrecks... I see very little incentive to "upgrade".
Maybe post screenshots that aren't below 5 kilobytes. Lol. I'm guessing you have an Exynos variant?
daribeiro said:
So I bought the new S21 Ultra on the pre order the day it was announced. I was one of the lucky ones to get early so I could leave a review.
Coming from a Note 10+ that I had for a year and a half, I was really excited for the S21 Ultra, but was really disappointed with the battery life. I've had the phone for 5 days now and since the very beginning I've not been able to use the phone for the whole day on a single charge. It's been giving me screen on times comparable to my Note 10+ (4/5 hours) which is a much older device, but I thought maybe this was the way all S21 ultra's were behaving, just not very good battery life.
BUT, yesterday all the youtubers started to publish they're videos comparing batteries with older S devices and Iphones and their S21s were doing amazing, giving them screen on times of up to 13 hours!
I contacted support but they said this would be normal as my phone was still learning user patterns... but I'm not sure if that would affect it as bad as it is at the moment.
Also, I installed accubattery which is not 100% reliable but compared it to my note 10+ and it seems that battery health is even lower that my Note (95%)! Which I've had for a year and a half!!!
What do you guys think? Should I send the phone back? I'm really concerned that I just spent all this money on a new phone for it to be so bad with battery.
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It's too early to judge the battery life, also accu battery app is not good at all, it's not accurate as your own phone's batterymeter.
Also, you need a week or so to make sure the phone get optimised according to your usage.
Does your phone have Exynos 2100 or Snapdragon 888?
Sharpshooterrr said:
Maybe post screenshots that aren't below 5 kilobytes. Lol. I'm guessing you have an Exynos variant?
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Sorry about that ahaha changed it now
nightoo said:
It's too early to judge the battery life, also accu battery app is not good at all, it's not accurate as your own phone's batterymeter.
Also, you need a week or so to make sure the phone get optimised according to your usage.
Does your phone have Exynos 2100 or Snapdragon 888?
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Mine has the Exynos 2100. I was just going off from videos like Mrwhosetheboss. He got 8 hours of screen on time. And he probably tested it when he got the phone no? And I'm litteraly getting half of that... and not even pushing my phone to the limit like he did on his video. I mainly use social media apps and YouTube.
I suggest doing a factory reset before you think about sending the phone back. Also, initially, be careful about what aps you install - try going with a minimal number of aps so you can get an idea of how the battery does when there are no aps that might pull from the battery - after a few days, add all of the aps you have been using (while avoiding any that might be a battery drain) and try for a few more days to see if you are seeing improved battery life. Good luck - hope it all works out for you.
Geekser said:
I suggest doing a factory reset before you think about sending the phone back. Also, initially, be careful about what aps you install - try going with a minimal number of aps so you can get an idea of how the battery does when there are no aps that might pull from the battery - after a few days, add all of the aps you have been using (while avoiding any that might be a battery drain) and try for a few more days to see if you are seeing improved battery life. Good luck - hope it all works out for you.
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Reloads -never- find the root cause and many times even if the problem is "fixed" it eventually returns.
Exceptions; old loads, software induced bootloops, viruses, and major firmware updates.
Expect issues with the 5G devices from poor hardware implementation. No fix for this.
I am on the first charge, but the battery life is so far pathetic. Omg! And everyone on youtube praise it... Down to 85% in 2 and a half hours and 50 minutes of SOT. Shame...
leoking3 said:
I am on the first charge, but the battery life is so far pathetic. Omg! And everyone on youtube praise it... Down to 85% in 2 and a half hours and 50 minutes of SOT. Shame...
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How much with screen off is it sucking down?
If more than 1% @ hr with AOD on it's probably Google and cloud crap running in the background.
You can optimize it to improve performance.
It's easier to do this with Pie though; Q and 11 take away critical tools and use scoped storage which wastes cpu cycles.
Get Karma Firewall and a package disabler like this one;
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
Regardless of the model or OS version most carrier phones will need to be optimized for good battery life and optimum performance.
My 10+ was a hot running bandwidth hungry hog until I toned it down. Today it's hard to believe it's that same machine.
You are right, I agree with all you said. It is kinda sad though, as for instance, my ex Asus Zenfone 7 Pro had an absolutely mindblowing battery life, without any tweaks. I just used it. With all the hype around the S21 Ultra, I believed it again. The only Samsung I used with good battery life was S20 FE 5G.
Will give it a go with what you say though, thanks.
daribeiro said:
Mine has the Exynos 2100. I was just going off from videos like Mrwhosetheboss. He got 8 hours of screen on time. And he probably tested it when he got the phone no? And I'm litteraly getting half of that... and not even pushing my phone to the limit like he did on his video. I mainly use social media apps and YouTube.
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Well, i believe what you are saying about battery life, but what i have seen so far is promising, i mean when S21 Ultra with Exynos 2100 beats iphone 11 Pro Max and 12 Pro Max, i guess that's a good sign!! But for sure, we use our phones in different way than each others because maybe you use it with 4G/5G enabled almost all the time while these tests are just using Wifi and maybe without any SIM card which means the battery consumption will be minimum at this part.
I have S20 Ultra with Snapdragon 865, i get like an average of 6 hours SoT and if S21 Ultra Exynos gives me the same SoT, i'll be happy!!
SOT is not everything...we travel, we move, you cant accept a phone that gives you 12 hours of standby in total. This is bs and useless, you cant rely on such a phone.
leoking3 said:
You are right, I agree with all you said. It is kinda sad though, as for instance, my ex Asus Zenfone 7 Pro had an absolutely mindblowing battery life, without any tweaks. I just used it. With all the hype around the S21 Ultra, I believed it again. The only Samsung I used with good battery life was S20 FE 5G.
Will give it a go with what you say though, thanks.
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My AT&T 10+ was not real bad (or good) the first few days. After enabling power management it went to hell.
Eventually I disabled all power management and one by one tracked down the hogs.
Because of dependencies simply disabling and/or turning off say Google Transport and Google Framework isn't enough, firewall blocking Google Play Services* then clearing data on all 3 periodically finally stopped this hog dead in its tracks. These will run in the background when the screen is off stealing power for nothing. Sometimes the Google apks are misreported as other Google apks presumably because of the interlinking dependencies.
Try using Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker.
Developer options>running apks/cache can also yield clues. With an unrooted phone there's some serious game playing to track this garbage down.
Anything app that's cloud or carrier is bad... lol.
Disable all feedback and syncing except for texting; manually sync gmail.
*needs to be unblocked occasionally for gmail to download and for Playstore (another apk you should disable/firewall block when not using).
Try disabling 5G if you are not using it, for some ppl SmartThings drain a lot of battery but you should see that app in log. Can't wait to get mine, also E2100 and coming from Note 8. Was rly looking to have a 2 day phone.
mankvl said:
Try disabling 5G if you are not using it, for some ppl SmartThings drain a lot of battery but you should see that app in log. Can't wait to get mine, also E2100 and coming from Note 8. Was rly looking to have a 2 day phone.
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That's a thought that's worth a try.
From what I've read even disabling 5G doesn't completely stop it's parasitic battery drain.
Maybe the latest generation chipsets are better but early 5G was poorly implemented giving a marginal speed increase on most phones of 20% when available.
Is this on the snapdragon or exynos variant?
leoking3 said:
I am on the first charge, but the battery life is so far pathetic. Omg! And everyone on youtube praise it... Down to 85% in 2 and a half hours and 50 minutes of SOT. Shame...
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So, 15% drain in 2.5 hours with nearly an hour of SOT. 15% is about 1/7 as a fraction. Now, 7 * 50 / 60 = 5.83 hours of SOT and 2.5 * 7 = 17.5 hours total. My Note 10+ (S20 Ultra on order!) doesn't do any better and NEVER did. If I use my phone for 6 hours a day (of SOT) it's pretty much done for.
I think people are being way too picky these days - just complaining to complain. If you really want I'm sure you can tune your phone so it gets 3 days on the battery. It'll suck and not do much of anything but, sure, you can do it. I've got a smartwatch and the same thing applies. I can tune it so it works for two weeks on the battery or I can actually use the thing and get 2-3 days. I choose 2-3 days and have stuff I want to use. I'd rather my phone be reactive and tell me when I've got emails, etc than to get super long battery life and basically have an inert brick in my pocket. I have a cellphone so I can use it for stuff. If that makes the battery not last long, oh well. If it can get 5-7 hours of screen time while also lasting through the day, great.
My 10+ draws roughly 1%@hr* with AOD on.
SOT draw varies between 9-12%@hr
Roughly 10%@hr watching vids on Samsung internet with surfing on Brave being the highest usage.
I consider it fairly optimized at this point.
*4300 mAh battery with little degradation.
No 5G running on Pie so not scoped storage either.
Figures are from a charge range of between roughly 40-65% as I rarely charged beyond 70% or discharge deeper than 30%.
Actual usage be more if I had started at 100% because of the power density difference through the power range ie 1% at 20 is far less watts than 1% at 100%.
A/V=watts. Less voltage means less overall mAh per % plus the additional losses due to voltage stepup power conversionas you dip towards 30% The closer to 100%, the higher the voltage with more available mAhs per battery% as well as less stepup voltage power converter losses.
A phone's wattage and V+'are constant so as the battery voltage decreases it draws more current ie mAhs.
Collin80 said:
So, 15% drain in 2.5 hours with nearly an hour of SOT. 15% is about 1/7 as a fraction. Now, 7 * 50 / 60 = 5.83 hours of SOT and 2.5 * 7 = 17.5 hours total. My Note 10+ (S20 Ultra on order!) doesn't do any better and NEVER did. If I use my phone for 6 hours a day (of SOT) it's pretty much done for.
I think people are being way too picky these days - just complaining to complain. If you really want I'm sure you can tune your phone so it gets 3 days on the battery. It'll suck and not do much of anything but, sure, you can do it. I've got a smartwatch and the same thing applies. I can tune it so it works for two weeks on the battery or I can actually use the thing and get 2-3 days. I choose 2-3 days and have stuff I want to use. I'd rather my phone be reactive and tell me when I've got emails, etc than to get super long battery life and basically have an inert brick in my pocket. I have a cellphone so I can use it for stuff. If that makes the battery not last long, oh well. If it can get 5-7 hours of screen time while also lasting through the day, great.
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You are also right, but , when you used something that does both keeping you up to date, and having a brilliant battery life, then it becomes disappointing when you change it for one that doesnt.

How bad is the battery life?? And is there Volte for the Motorola US model?

The battery life is the only major fault that this phone seems to have according to reviews, especially for the price, which is close to stealing it imo.
For reference, I have a Redmi Note 6 Pro right now and it has the same processor / same resolution / 4gb ram / and with it's 4,000 mah battery, it can last a whole day on stand by before needing a recharge. If I browse the web on it, it might lose 8% or so after a hour - no gaming just web browsing.
I'm looking for a budget phone with decent specs that can do at least 6 hours of web browsing on a full charge and still have at least 1/3rd battery left, if this can do that then it looks like it will fit the bill.
About Volte - I have heard that the international versions do not have it, not sure about the T-Mobile variant, but that the US release does have it. Can anyone confirm?
Thanks in advance!

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