Does the Google Camera(ported) work on this device? - Moto G6 Questions & Answers

Hello all!
I want to know if any port of Google Camera works on this device?
Thanks!
EDIT - It is vanilla G6 Model. Not the Play or Plus version.

As far as I know it doesn't work on arm32 software, has to be arm64, I've tried several ports and can't get them to work. Hopefully we will get an arm64 firmware at some point.

Bluemgt06 said:
As far as I know it doesn't work on arm32 software, has to be arm64, I've tried several ports and can't get them to work. Hopefully we will get an arm64 firmware at some point.
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Oh.. Thats is kind of a deal breaker for me. I heard about the awful shutter-lag this phone has and i use my camera alot.
How would you review the camera app?

SnapDrag910 said:
Oh.. Thats is kind of a deal breaker for me. I heard about the awful shutter-lag this phone has and i use my camera alot.
How would you review the camera app?
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It's not bad, but then again I'm not trying to take pictures at a sporting event or something, I'd use my actual camera to do that. If I take a picture on the phone it's usually of something that doesn't move.

SnapDrag910 said:
Oh.. Thats is kind of a deal breaker for me. I heard about the awful shutter-lag this phone has and i use my camera alot.
How would you review the camera app?
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In testing today I'm on the newest update I know of and running the one custom kernel available (could be the reason) but I have next to no lag when taking a photo, it takes when I hit the button.

Bluemgt06 said:
In testing today I'm on the newest update I know of and running the one custom kernel available (could be the reason) but I have next to no lag when taking a photo, it takes when I hit the button.
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Ressurect Kernel?
Thanks for the update :good:

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[Q] Cyanogen on Droid 3?

I apologize in advance for asking a question that has no doubt been asked on here before and posted but I cant find my answer. I just recently came to Motorolla from HTC because I needed to switch to Verizon for work and the D3 was perfect. After looking around on here and on the CM site Im still very confused...Is there a CM download (preferably CM7.1) for the D3 or are people just trying to make something work on it. Im not even rooted yet because if I cant get CM Im not sure I even want to. If anyone can answer this for me and direct me to a download it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you all and I apologize again for asking a dumb question.
Yes Hashcode has a cm7 download in the Droid 3 developers forum....it's still got a few minor bugs but overall it's awesome I've been running it for quite sometime now...I don't have a link but look in the dev forum...good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308924
[SELFKANG AOSP ROM] CyanogenMod 7.1 Alpha Release [UPDATE 11/16 PM]
never mind figured out how to post the link...lol. He also has cm9/ICS up and running but not ready for a daily driver yet..
MNstan87 said:
I apologize in advance for asking a question that has no doubt been asked on here before and posted but I cant find my answer. I just recently came to Motorolla from HTC because I needed to switch to Verizon for work and the D3 was perfect. After looking around on here and on the CM site Im still very confused...Is there a CM download (preferably CM7.1) for the D3 or are people just trying to make something work on it. Im not even rooted yet because if I cant get CM Im not sure I even want to. If anyone can answer this for me and direct me to a download it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you all and I apologize again for asking a dumb question.
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There's a somewhat 7.1 port posted, but hashcode is mostly focused on bringing the 9 up to being usable.
Jphatcher84 said:
Yes Hashcode has a cm7 download in the Droid 3 developers forum....it's still got a few minor bugs but overall it's awesome I've been running it for quite sometime now...I don't have a link but look in the dev forum...good luck.
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So this is good enough for a daily user? I need my phone for work so I cant use anything too experimental.
MNstan87 said:
So this is good enough for a daily user? I need my phone for work so I cant use anything too experimental.
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It, most certainly, is good enough to be used as a daily driver. I have been using it since he was able to work out the audio bugs. Around 11/15. It does take some setting up, but well worth it. Just read the thread and Hash's blogspot, you should find everything you need there. Good Luck!
i would like it if the droid 3 gets a officiel cyanogen mod.
pujdo2 said:
i would like it if the droid 3 gets a officiel cyanogen mod.
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If we got everything working the d3 could get official cm7, I think by the time Hashcode is done we'll have an official cm9, think it depends on the code he uses and the cm guys
the only that doesnt work is the camera i use it as a daily rom its great
I've read the external SD also doesn't work. Is that true?
jellman said:
the only that doesnt work is the camera i use it as a daily rom its great
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That's fine with me, the camera isn't that great anyway but it would be nice to have. How about wifi and GPS? I had CM7 on my G2 and there were a lot of issues with that stuff. Bith are a big deal for me. What's the best bet as far as getting root? Is Psouda's one touch pretty fool proof? I would hate to brick my new baby!
petrospekaros said:
I've read the external SD also doesn't work. Is that true?
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Even if so, that's not really that big of a deal. The phones got 16 gb internal anyway, what more do you need? Lol
MNstan87 said:
That's fine with me, the camera isn't that great anyway but it would be nice to have. How about wifi and GPS? I had CM7 on my G2 and there were a lot of issues with that stuff. Bith are a big deal for me. What's the best bet as far as getting root? Is Psouda's one touch pretty fool proof? I would hate to brick my new baby!
Even if so, that's not really that big of a deal. The phones got 16 gb internal anyway, what more do you need? Lol
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Both SD cards are working in both CM7 and CM9. It's their naming convention that throws people off:
/emmc is the internal emmc storage area (called "/sdcard" in the stock ROM)
/sdcard is the actual sdcard (it's called "/sdcard-ext" in the stock ROM)
And actually the camera will work. The hardware camera does not, but there are a couple software cameras from the market that will. I use camera zoom fx. With very little problems. If you're like me and the camera isn't that big of a deal, these soft cams will work good enough.
DroidianLover said:
And actually the camera will work. The hardware camera does not, but there are a couple software cameras from the market that will. I use camera zoom fx. With very little problems. If you're like me and the camera isn't that big of a deal, these soft cams will work good enough.
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What do you mean the hardware camera doesn't work and software camera does?
For any camera soft to work the hardware has to be working...
Do you mean, you can't take pictures with the inbuilt camera app, and can take pics with camera zoom fx?
If so, then the camera works, just the default app does not...
Is this what you mean? If so, then great... If not, what're you sayin'?
DroidianLover said:
And actually the camera will work. The hardware camera does not, but there are a couple software cameras from the market that will. I use camera zoom fx. With very little problems. If you're like me and the camera isn't that big of a deal, these soft cams will work good enough.
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is this for only CM7 or CM9 too?
Hashcode said:
/emmc is the internal emmc storage area (called "/sdcard" in the stock ROM)
/sdcard is the actual sdcard (it's called "/sdcard-ext" in the stock ROM)
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Thanks for this information, very important.
What are CM9's shortcomings in usage on the Droid 3 in your opinion, based on experience? Drawbacks, when compared to the default ROM, any?
白い熊 said:
What do you mean the hardware camera doesn't work and software camera does?
For any camera soft to work the hardware has to be working...
Do you mean, you can't take pictures with the inbuilt camera app, and can take pics with camera zoom fx?
If so, then the camera works, just the default app does not...
Is this what you mean? If so, then great... If not, what're you sayin'?
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I think he means stock camera isn't working
xt860, android 2.3.5, Eclipse 1.1.1
so which camera to install.. all thirth party stuff i tried really suck.. some dont work at all some others have terrible quality some others only show half of the screen....
I like ProCapture. You can either buy it from the market or do some Google searching to "try it before you buy". (But I really suggest buying it if you like it.)
redsox985 said:
I like ProCapture. You can either buy it from the market or do some Google searching to "try it before you buy". (But I really suggest buying it if you like it.)
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I also recommend ProCapture. The pictures come out very crisp.
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[Q] alternative camera app

So based on you're experience which camera app would you suggest? I am kind of shocked to find that the camera app is so slow. My Blackberry Q10 is very quick compared to my Turbo.
j_simon208 said:
So based on you're experience which camera app would you suggest? I am kind of shocked to find that the camera app is so slow. My Blackberry Q10 is very quick compared to my Turbo.
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I really like the Google camera app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera&hl=en
Unfortunately on the turbo it still does have some lag. Hopefully that will be fixed with future OTA updates.
The main thing I like about Google's app is the option to take photosphere images and panoramas. I know the stock camera app does panoramas but Google's app allows for much higher quality images.
I have taken some really awesome images using this app.
Lenovo Supercamera is great. Adds lots of effects and options, more so than stock camera on S5
Demiurge7 said:
Lenovo Supercamera is great. Adds lots of effects and options, more so than stock camera on S5
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Where do you get it?
makavelisk said:
Where do you get it?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665714
Demiurge7 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665714
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Thanks! I tried installing but it wouldn't connect to the camera. Which version did you install to get it to work?
makavelisk said:
Thanks! I tried installing but it wouldn't connect to the camera. Which version did you install to get it to work?
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Latest, 3.6.7 with permissions removed. Definitely works for me. Maybe restart too - sometimes it seems like camera apps can lock another out.
Demiurge7 said:
Latest, 3.6.7 with permissions removed. Definitely works for me. Maybe restart too - sometimes it seems like camera apps can lock another out.
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Ahhhh.... I was going down to the second post and installing the other camera. Nice!! Going to have to play around with it more tomorrow. Thanks again!!!
Thanks to everyone who posted. I actually really like both of those options and will probably use both. Anyone ever try any fisheye lenses?
Demiurge7 said:
Latest, 3.6.7 with permissions removed. Definitely works for me. Maybe restart too - sometimes it seems like camera apps can lock another out.
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Do you see this as well on your install?
Yes, those resolutions are correct for the Turbo camera (even though they say a lower MP).
The 5248x3936 is the same as the full 21mp (Standard) mode, and the 5248 x 2952 is the same as the 15.5mp (Widescreen) mode. Assuming that this is what your asking?
Exactly what i was asking. I figured it was cosmetic. Just wanted to be sure.
I will the first update might have sped up my camera. When I left the store it was slow, as I read about. Next day I searched for updates and got one. My camera is normal now. The only issue I notice is swiping to pictures from the camera, it swipes right away, then the screen "blinks" real fast. Might try a different camera to compare though.
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Maybe I'm crazy but this seems to speed the shutter up a bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/how-to-unlock-advanced-camera-settings-t2884035
Perhaps more tinkering in the ladybug settings could help, or the ability to reduce mp size further?
Let me know what works for you all!
sent from my droid turbo
Mattish13 said:
Maybe I'm crazy but this seems to speed the shutter up a bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/how-to-unlock-advanced-camera-settings-t2884035
Perhaps more tinkering in the ladybug settings could help, or the ability to reduce mp size further?
Let me know what works for you all!
sent from my droid turbo
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What settings did u change?
zathus said:
What settings did u change?
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None so far. Interested to hear from those with more time to tinker...
sent from my droid turbo
Mattish13 said:
None so far. Interested to hear from those with more time to tinker...
sent from my droid turbo
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I've tinkered with it but I don't know what I'm looking at. Not a photographer but I'm sure you repost it in general? I have someone who knows what they're looking at toy with it?
-Michael_ said:
Do you see this as well on your install?
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did you manage to install and use properly?
mateusxd said:
did you manage to install and use properly?
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Yep, other than the resolution displaying wrong it worked good too. I ended up installing the moto camera+ and taking a bunch of samples to compare the two, found it to not take any better pics than the moto camera + with the settings unlocked.
-Michael_ said:
Yep, other than the resolution displaying wrong it worked good too. I ended up installing the moto camera+ and taking a bunch of samples to compare the two, found it to not take any better pics than the moto camera + with the settings unlocked.
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I couldn't open it. i get an error, Lenovo Camera stop working... i tried version 3.67 all three versions.

Google camera bypass moto processing?

I know the zealous sharpening issue with the stock moto is a post processing problem and has been mention if not rooted no actual fix yet.. Also others have stated open camera didn't take any better pictures... However I'm wondering if certain apps simply rely on the OS post processing and don't have their own built in. As I used Google camera today to take 2 exact pictures. I sat holding my hand in exactly the same position without moving.. Then launched the stock camera and the comparison is a visibly less noisy and softer photo. I will upload the comparison
Attatched photos taken with both cameras. No hdr no settings adjusted same place touched to focus.
i named each file accordingly. but incase you cant see file names.
goes moto google then for st shot google moto
On custom roms, the Google camera is great, but still has a few issues. Sometimes, it only allowed me to take a few photos at one, and then stopped letting me take any. I had to exit out and go back in to fix it. That said, I saw it on the lineage camera and open camera to...
Either way, the big problem in find is other apps using the camera, which seems to either not work or show a very dark image. This affected mostly QR apps in my experience, (2 factor apps, WhatsApp, etc.)
What version of Google Camera did you use?
atrac17 said:
What version of Google Camera did you use?
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The latest 2.5.052
alevity said:
The latest 2.5.052
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Thanks, I tried 4.1.006 with some buildprop tweaks and 2.7.008; just was curious if you were using the target sdk version for stock or not.
atrac17 said:
Thanks, I tried 4.1.006 with some buildprop tweaks and 2.7.008; just was curious if you were using the target sdk version for stock or not.
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How did you guys installed Google Camera, since it's not compatible with the G5 plus? Is there an apk? Thanks
LiteSoul said:
How did you guys installed Google Camera, since it's not compatible with the G5 plus? Is there an apk? Thanks
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https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.google.android.GoogleCameraMOD
alevity said:
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.google.android.GoogleCameraMOD
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Sorry maybe this one isn't compatible. You'll need a apk off a mirror site but I don't know which to trust so will leave that decision to you
Nah, that's for a different processor I think. I can't find it
LiteSoul said:
How did you guys installed Google Camera, since it's not compatible with the G5 plus? Is there an apk? Thanks
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I downloaded the versions listed previously from apkmirror and enabled camera2 in build.prop. There is a Magisk Module for enabling camera2 now as well.
I had no issues with 2.7.008, but 4.1.006 would occasionally fc when switching from camera to video.
persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1 is the build.prop I used.
Someone please kindly share me the APK of Google Camera for non-rooted Moto G5 Plus. I thought I could also use it in my phone!
atrac17 said:
There is a Magisk Module for enabling camera2 now as well.
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Could you please share where we can find this magisk module?
Some1CP said:
Could you please share where we can find this magisk module?
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If you search, XDA has everything easily accessible.
atrac17 said:
If you search, XDA has everything easily accessible.
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Yeah, I already tried looking for it but couldn't find anything on the G5 Plus forum.
For anyone who is interested:
https://www.xda-developers.com/camera2api-magisk-module-enables/
I havent rooted my phone yet. Has anyone here tried this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-hdr-customization-raw-support/
The 625 does have the DSP, so has anyone tried it?
reganEZ said:
I havent rooted my phone yet. Has anyone here tried this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-hdr-customization-raw-support/
The 625 does have the DSP, so has anyone tried it?
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Only works on 64 bit devices... Unfortunately we have 64 capable device, but our OS is 32 bits
abeloman said:
Only works on 64 bit devices... Unfortunately we have 64 capable device, but our OS is 32 bits
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Damn! I knew we had a 32 bit ROM bit I don't know it brought such limitations with it. Maybe we see 64 bit with andrpid O.
Thanks for the reply.
After installing the Gcam , can you still use the moto app?
nona89 said:
After installing the Gcam , can you still use the moto app?
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Yes u can

Camera underexsposing

Hi. I am interested in getting this phone.. But most of the camera tests I see online, the images are too dark. Also, strangely, although images are generally underexposed, they still somehow manage to blow out highlights sometimes.
I am very impressed with the camera quality apart from the issues stated above, but surely they are software issues and can be fixed with a patch or alternative camera app?
Thanks
theVenerable said:
Hi. I am interested in getting this phone.. But most of the camera tests I see online, the images are too dark. Also, strangely, although images are generally underexposed, they still somehow manage to blow out highlights sometimes.
I am very impressed with the camera quality apart from the issues stated above, but surely they are software issues and can be fixed with a patch or alternative camera app?
Thanks
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Everything can be fixed and by far improved using the GCam. Search the thread for examples.
Thanks
I saw some pictures but they didn't seem hugely better to me.
Plus most apps need a root to install?
I wouldnt wan't to buy a phone and risk installing an app and then can't send it back if I'm not happy.
Do you know a link for some good picture and video samples?
Thanks
theVenerable said:
Thanks
I saw some pictures but they didn't seem hugely better to me.
Plus most apps need a root to install?
I wouldnt wan't to buy a phone and risk installing an app and then can't send it back if I'm not happy.
Do you know a link for some good picture and video samples?
Thanks
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Here are some of mine https://pandainthecloud.de/nextcloud/index.php/apps/gallery/s/mW2GqLcFXEa84ds#
Benjamin_L said:
Here are some of mine https://pandainthecloud.de/nextcloud/index.php/apps/gallery/s/mW2GqLcFXEa84ds#
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Nice images thanks.
There was one where the Stock camera was better I think.
But all the others the Gcam looked quite a lot better.
And does the Gcam also give better video recording?
Benjamin_L said:
Here are some of mine https://pandainthecloud.de/nextcloud/index.php/apps/gallery/s/mW2GqLcFXEa84ds#
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Please sir, any word on the video with gcam?
I am very tempted to get this phone.

Question Asus Stock Camera App, Please !

Hi XDA,
Can anyone please pull the stock Asus Zenfone8 app(as an .apk) so we can use it on custom ROMs ?
I compared the stock Asus camera app with all availabe apps before installing the LineageOS and the difference is huge, specially comparing it to the OpenCamera.
The stock app is way better.
I wish I can have it on my LineageOS now
Appreciate your help so much!
I have attached the extracted APK here, I hope it works!:
Adaoh said:
I have attached the extracted APK here, I hope it works!:
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Thanks, I'll give it a try,
Just 1 question please, how were you able to got it?
Was it taken directly from the Zenfone8 ?
adam.718 said:
Thanks, I'll give it a try,
Just 1 question please, how were you able to got it?
Was it taken directly from the Zenfone8 ?
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Yes, I got it directly from my phone. I extracted it with an adb command. It was my first time doing that so I don't know if I did it properly
Adaoh said:
Yes, I got it directly from my phone. I extracted it with an adb command. It was my first time doing that so I don't know if I did it properly
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Does not work in Lineage. I’ll see if I can get it from the original img.
Mecallie said:
Does not work in Lineage. I’ll see if I can get it from the original img.
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Well, I was hoping it was some kind of img file. But it's a zip with a .bin file. Not a clue as to what I can do with that. Would be great to get the stock camera. The Lineage camera really sucks and I cannot get any of the gcam versions to work either...
If that helps, I was able to get OK results on the stock ROM from the GrapheneOS Camera app. You can get it from their github repository. Note that it is very basic and lacks any night mode or any kind of special features. Also I just noticed that it does not offer the option of switching lenses. Maybe it is possible but I didn't search on that subject. Here are some comparison images
Mecallie said:
Well, I was hoping it was some kind of img file. But it's a zip with a .bin file. Not a clue as to what I can do with that. Would be great to get the stock camera. The Lineage camera really sucks and I cannot get any of the gcam versions to work either...
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Hi, I tested it as well and had no sucess. As a developer I also tried to unpack the apk and take a look, imeediatly noticed that it has some google dependencies which in my case a LineageOS with no google will not work, as well I saw some properties and configurations files so maybe these has some data related to the phone of the good guy who ported it out.
The stock camera app is way better than the most famous free camera apps out there, specially in night photography, the OpenCamera for example leaves you night photos so so noisy and it sets the screen brightness on max with no way to change that (not that I know).
Lets please keep this thread running to find out the best camera for this phone with AOSP and no google dependneces.
Tested the Witchaya Port of GCam yesterday. No luck with Version 8 (just crashes), but Version 7 first seemed to run. Yet it freezes the captured image constantly after 3 seconds. Tapping onto a different camera mode wakes the image again for 3 seconds - just to freeze again afterwards. Tried all of the supplied xml config files - no success. I'm running on latest LineageOS nightly without the GApps...
I believe if a good developer can take a look at the stock Asus app and figure out why it doesn't work.
Maybe it's just a deal of adjusting some configuration file.
On another thread, what's the best free Camera app you're using ?
I'm using the OpenCamera since it has lots of options, but its photo quality is not the best and night shoots are so noisy.
Asus camera is dependant of asus framework . Most likely nogo to get it to run on non as roms.
Its not as simple as config files, it much deeper integrated in asus framework
NisseGurra said:
Asus camera is dependant of asus framework . Most likely nogo to get it to run on non as roms.
Its not as simple as config files, it much deeper integrated in asus framework
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Appreciate your clarification.
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Appreciate your clarification.
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Any news regarding cam so far? Been fiddling around with opencamera and the lineageOS cam, but the results are rather disappointing.
Would appreciate any further development in this case.
Thanks, happy new year!
Winnie_LD said:
Any news regarding cam so far? Been fiddling around with opencamera and the lineageOS cam, but the results are rather disappointing.
Would appreciate any further development in this case.
Thanks, happy new year!
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Same exact situation here
Just gave the GrapheneOS camera app a try, it looks more promising, hope they will keep on upgrading it.
I raised an issue for supporting the ultra-wide lens as well, hope they will work on it.
It's good to keep an eye on this app, thanks to @Adaoh for mentioning it.
Happy new year!
adam.718 said:
Same exact situation here
Just gave the GrapheneOS camera app a try, it looks more promising, hope they will keep on upgrading it.
I raised an issue for supporting the ultra-wide lens as well, hope they will work on it.
It's good to keep an eye on this app, thanks to @Adaoh for mentioning it.
Happy new year!
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Nice hint, thank you! Just installed it, seems to work fine except for the ultra-wide lens, as you mentioned already.
I have tried OmniRom, and it has an Asus camera port that works I will be asking the maintainer if he is fine with me sharing the APK.
Adaoh said:
I have tried OmniRom, and it has an Asus camera port that works I will be asking the maintainer if he is fine with me sharing the APK.
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Yeah, let's give it a try. Nothin to loose...
Here is the OmniRom APK
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Here is the OmniRom APK
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Thank you @Adaoh ! Unfortunately it does not work for me. After granting access the app displays "Camera not ready. Try again later" (translated from german) and exits. Obviously depending on some other components not available in LineageOS...
Winnie_LD said:
Thank you @Adaoh ! Unfortunately it does not work for me. After granting access the app displays "Camera not ready. Try again later" (translated from german) and exits. Obviously depending on some other components not available in LineageOS...
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Yeah they warned me about that on the OmniRom telegram group, a friend tested on his Pixel 4a and it worked, so I assumed it would have worked on ZF8

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