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How come people aren't talking about this? Would I be able to root if the bootloader is unlocked?
BaconDrips said:
How come people aren't talking about this? Would I be able to root if the bootloader is unlocked?
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The popular carriers like AT&T and VZW don't allow it - so that prevents a large group from doing it.
Cause most carrier phones don't have their option to unlock the boot loader. But yes if you do unluck the boot loader you can root. But you can also root without unlocking thanks to jcase's pwnmymoto root method.
BaconDrips said:
How come people aren't talking about this? Would I be able to root if the bootloader is unlocked?
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Most people aren't talking about it because I guess they figure you know whether or not you bought a phone that could be unlocked. If you are bootloader unlocked then yes - you just flash su.zip in cwm or twrp and you are good to go.
So if you are on Sprint or T-mobile, US Cellular or international go for it.
Unlocking the bootloader voids warranties as well...doing it through the website makes that void permanent whereas if you did it without the website you can still have your phone go through the warranty process as long as you unroot and relock the bootloader. that's what i love about the nexus devices
Ugh!!!
Glad I ran into this. I was going through the process to unlock my XT1080M on the site...looks like I'm waiting for the non-Chinese path.
Radio2006 said:
Glad I ran into this. I was going through the process to unlock my XT1080M on the site...looks like I'm waiting for the non-Chinese path.
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There's no 'non Chinese' path for Verizon phones. Unless you have a developer edition
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Droyyd said:
Unlocking the bootloader voids warranties as well...doing it through the website makes that void permanent whereas if you did it without the website you can still have your phone go through the warranty process as long as you unroot and relock the bootloader. that's what i love about the nexus devices
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While this may be true for Nexus devices, it doesn't apply to the Moto X.
The Moto X bootloader has 3 states:
Locked, Unlocked, and Re-Locked
Once you have unlocked, if you subsequently re-lock, the status changes to "Re-Locked". You can NEVER get it back to "Locked". So regardless of whether you get your code from the official Moto Unlock site or the Middleman, they still know that you had unlocked previously. There is no way around this...
rocketsaucev2 said:
There's no 'non Chinese' path for Verizon phones. Unless you have a developer edition
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Hence the reason I am waiting.
Radio2006 said:
Hence the reason I am waiting.
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Waiting for what?
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Radio2006 said:
Hence the reason I am waiting.
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rocketsaucev2 said:
Waiting for what?
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Exactly! I'm not sure what he is waiting for. An BL unlock exploit to come along? Dan Rosenburg (author of the Razr M Bootloader exploit) has said himself that it is extremely unlikely that a new Moto BL unlock exploit will EVER come along.
@Radio2006 : The "china" method could end tomorrow. It is 99.999% sure to be the ONLY way you will ever get unlocked. If being unlocked is important you, I would urge you not to wait.
Its China method quick, before it ends again....maybe for good....
Or it won't happen. The bootloader won't be "cracked". If it could be, it would be by now.
I'd get in on the China method, or accept a life of no proper root for your device. And no developer made updates after the X stops getting official updates.
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Exactly! I'm not sure what he is waiting for. An BL unlock exploit to come along? Dan Rosenburg (author of the Razr M Bootloader exploit) has said himself that it is extremely unlikely that a new Moto BL unlock exploit will EVER come along.
@Radio2006 : The "china" method could end tomorrow. It is 99.999% sure to be the ONLY way you will ever get unlocked. If being unlocked is important you, I would urge you not to wait.
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Hey, gee thanks guys. I didn't know that. The China method has already shut down according to an XDA post that I read earlier. So I was hoping that something would occur later.
Radio2006 said:
Hey, gee thanks guys. I didn't know that. The China method has already shut down according to an XDA post that I read earlier. So I was hoping that something would occur later.
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It closed earlier this year, then reopened a couple months later. It is still available now. Find the thread titled "China Middleman Back?" Thread.
Good luck!
You rock bro...just sent the payment. Thanks again.
BaconDrips said:
How come people aren't talking about this? Would I be able to root if the bootloader is unlocked?
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I think only developer phones can be unlocked.
dhru1405 said:
I think only developer phones can be unlocked.
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Nope. Lots of moto x variations can be unlocked. And they all can do anything a dev edition can do, except keep their warranty.
My Moto X was locked to AT&T. However I got it unlocked from a website. Everything works fine to my knowledge. However I was curious if it will receive firmware updates? Does unlocking the phone mess up anything with the carrier? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.
dhru1405 said:
My Moto X was locked to AT&T. However I got it unlocked from a website. Everything works fine to my knowledge. However I was curious if it will receive firmware updates? Does unlocking the phone mess up anything with the carrier? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.
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There can be some confusion when it comes to unlocking.
There are 2 things you can unlock. You can SIM-Unlock your phone, which will allow it to be used on any GSM carrier. This is what you are referring to. It does not affect the software or system in any way. You will continue to receive updates without issue.
You can also unlock your 'bootloader'. This allows you to root your device and flash custom software. AT&T does not allow Moto to give bootloader-unlock codes out for any AT&T branded phones, but there is a guy from china who is -selling- bootloader-unlock codes.
If you were to obtain a bootloader unlock code, and root your device, then you would have to take special steps anytime a new software update comes out. If you are not interested in root, none of this is important.
Assuming you have only SIM-Unlocked your phone, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. No it does not 'mess anything up' with the carrier.
Good Luck
Hi All,
I currently have an XT1053 on Lycamobile (T-Mobile MVNO). I rooted it when I got it, have a custom recovery, ROM, xposed framework, XPrivacy, titanium backup. It's been 1.5 years so I'm rusty on how I did it before.
I'd like to move to Verizon pre-paid so I'm looking to buy a used phone. I want to end up with the same capabilities - root, custom ROM, etc.
I'm thinking I should get a Dev edition Verizon Moto-X so that I can get the unlock code from Motorola. In order to reduce chances of issues/bricking, is there are particular version of Android the phone should already have? Anything else I should be looking for?
Thanks,
Mark
From what I have been able to find by looking at a bunch of threads, it looks like I need to look for a Developer phone with Android 4.4.2.
What else am I maybe missing?
Thanks,
Mark
For the Dev Edition it doesn't matter what version you're on, you can root no matter what.
markd89 said:
From what I have been able to find by looking at a bunch of threads, it looks like I need to look for a Developer phone with Android 4.4.2.
What else am I maybe missing?
Thanks,
Mark
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The only reason you would need 4.4.2 for easy unlocking is if you were on a non-developer edition phone and were using Sunshine. Dev editions can be unlocked, flashed, and rooted quite easily. Non-developer editions though, you want to be on an earlier release of Android, although there is a root method for 4.4.4 now, so you may still be able to unlock the bootloader.
markd89 said:
....I'd like to move to Verizon pre-paid so I'm looking to buy a used phone. I want to end up with the same capabilities - root, custom ROM, etc.
I'm thinking I should get a Dev edition Verizon Moto-X so that I can get the unlock code from Motorola. In order to reduce chances of issues/bricking, is there are particular version of Android the phone should already have? Anything else I should be looking for?
Thanks,
Mark
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Unlocking the bootloader is needed to run a custom rom, custom recovery, etc. and to ensure the ability to root no matter what ROM is on your phone.
Stick with a Developer Edition XT11060 for Verizon. You can get the bootloader unlock code directly from Motorola, for free.
If you get a RETAIL or Moto Maker variant, so long as the phone was never updated to 4.4.4 or higher, you can use Sunshine to unlock its bootloader. BUT Sunshine relies on exploiting a vulnerability to unlock the bootloader. There has been some question on if the vulnerability will be patched in Lollipop and could that pose any issues for those who used Sunshine to unlock. Will it re-lock them or will the unlocked status survive, etc? I have not seen a definitive answer.
While there is a ROOT method for a certain 4.4.4 build for non-Dev Verizon XT1060, that wont allow you to flash a custom rom or recovery, and it doesn't turn off write protection so there are some limits.
Thanks Gents, very helpful.
Is there any downside to getting a Moto X Developer that is already rooted? I'd still be able to contact Motorola for the unlock if I needed it again, right?
Thanks,
Mark
Thanks for bringing this up OP. I have a Verizon Note 4 and quite frankly I'm tired of the size and it's the longest I've been without root. Not to mention the lag with the TouchWiz lollipop build is driving me crazy. I now want a smaller (sorry Nexus 6) bootloader unlocked rootable android phone. After getting a pre-paid moto g to play around with I'm digging the smaller size and the resolution is more than acceptable. The Moto G should be even better.
I initially looked at the 2014 X but Verizon never released a developer model. My only hesitation to the 2013 is Android M. Is that coming to the 2013 X? And do people here have experience buying refurbished 2013 developer Xs from ebay. Pretty cheap around $110 to $150.
markd89 said:
Is there any downside to getting a Moto X Developer that is already rooted? I'd still be able to contact Motorola for the unlock if I needed it again, right?
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To clarify - if I get phone that's already unlocked because the previous owner got the code from Motorola, would I be able to contact Motorola in the future for the unlock code if I needed to re-unlock the phone or do they only give that out once?
Thanks much,
Mark
markd89 said:
To clarify - if I get phone that's already unlocked because the previous owner got the code from Motorola, would I be able to contact Motorola in the future for the unlock code if I needed to re-unlock the phone or do they only give that out once?
Thanks much,
Mark
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Developer editions come SIM Unlocked to begin with.
Saythis said:
Developer editions come SIM Unlocked to begin with.
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OK, I was under the impression that they come bootloader locked so that I would need an unlock to achieve root. Am I mistaken?
markd89 said:
To clarify - if I get phone that's already unlocked because the previous owner got the code from Motorola, would I be able to contact Motorola in the future for the unlock code if I needed to re-unlock the phone or do they only give that out once?
Thanks much,
Mark
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markd89 said:
OK, I was under the impression that they come bootloader locked so that I would need an unlock to achieve root. Am I mistaken?
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People often get SIM unlocked (aka carrier unlocked) confused with bootloader unlocked when someone just says "unlocked"
The Verizon XT1060, Developer Edition or Retail/Moto Maker are SIM Unlocked (aka carrier unlocked) out of the box due to FCC 700 C-Block rules.
All 2013 X's ship as bootloader locked. The ATT XT1058, Republic Wireless XT1049 and Verizon Retail/Moto Maker XT1060 editions can not get the bootloader unlock code from Moto. The rest, including the Developer Edition XT1060 for Verizon, CAN.
Once bootloader unlocked using the code from Moto, the phone will stay that way unless you re-lock it. However, keep in mind there are 3 states of the 2013 X bootloader Locked Status 0 (as it ships from factory), Unlocked Status 3 (after you unlock via the code), and LOCKED Status 2 (aka relocked). We as users can not toggle it back to Status 0. Because we can't get back to Status 0, there is no real reason to try and relock. The "bootloader unlocked" warning message shows when status is NOT 0. *IF* you buy a used XT1060 Dev Edition where the previous owner as re-locked the bootloader, you will need the code to unlock it. The codes are unique to each phone.
I have no experience requesting the bootloader unlock code from moto for a USED phone, so I can't be of any help answering that question.
I purchased a used xt1060 dev that the previous owner had relocked the bootloader....not sure why. I was able to get a unlock code from Motorola no problem.
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Thanks, all!
I have my used Dev Moto X Verizon on order and look forward to the XDA fun when I get it
I received a 2014 Moto X xt1095 as an RMA replacement from Motorola for my old 2013 Moto X. It's the T-Mobile model, xt1095 which is supposed to be unlockable. For whatever reason there appears to be something funky I about the bootloader where despite an all zero CID, unlock token requests to the bootloader return "(bootloader) Could not get unlock data!"
I've been told that probably have to re-return this to Motorola, which would be a giant pain in the butt. Is there anything to either brute force the unlock code or root it without unlocking the bootloader?
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You can try rooting without unlocking bootloader.
burnte said:
I received a 2014 Moto X xt1095 as an RMA replacement from Motorola for my old 2013 Moto X. It's the T-Mobile model, xt1095 which is supposed to be unlockable. For whatever reason there appears to be something funky I about the bootloader where despite an all zero CID, unlock token requests to the bootloader return "(bootloader) Could not get unlock data!"
I've been told that probably have to re-return this to Motorola, which would be a giant pain in the butt. Is there anything to either brute force the unlock code or root it without unlocking the bootloader?
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Well, sad News first, I think you won't be able to unlock the bootloader.
Now the good News, You can definatly try rooting your device without a bootloader unlocked. Try applications like Kingroot. Infact, as far as I know, you don't even Need a Computer(Desktop/Laptop) to root.
I was able to root my motoX2014 sucessfully without boot unlocked. Let us know if it works for you:fingers-crossed:.
I would call Motorola. An XT1095 should be unlockable right out of the box. The bad news is you'll probably have to swap it out. If they sent you a bad one, make them ship the new one to you first so you won't be without a phone.
Thanks to both of you. I'll look at king root, and even try bullying Motorola into getting me fixed up properly without leaving me to use my Moto g again. I appreciate the help and the morale boost.
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I have a straight talk Moto g6 which is not bootloader unlockable according to the Motorola site for bootloader checking. My question is how do you know which firmware would be potentially compatible? Because I was thinking that if I found one close enough I could possibly "trick" my current firmware which is straight talk branded and possibly flash a new bootloader which might enable to achieve an unlock. If anyone has any knowledge on that or how to achieve it I would appreciate your input. Thank you for reading.
hydroman202 said:
I have a straight talk Moto g6 which is not bootloader unlockable according to the Motorola site for bootloader checking. My question is how do you know which firmware would be potentially compatible? Because I was thinking that if I found one close enough I could possibly "trick" my current firmware which is straight talk branded and possibly flash a new bootloader which might enable to achieve an unlock. If anyone has any knowledge on that or how to achieve it I would appreciate your input. Thank you for reading.
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Being a senior member you should already know the answer to that lol. It can't be done. That would be like me trying to use firmware for the Moto g6play from the Amazon variant on my boost Mobile variant. It will only cause boot loop or brick.
ninjakira said:
Being a senior member you should already know the answer to that lol. It can't be done. That would be like me trying to use firmware for the Moto g6play from the Amazon variant on my boost Mobile variant. It will only cause boot loop or brick.
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True. Lol. Oh well. Thanks for responding.
hydroman202 said:
True. Lol. Oh well. Thanks for responding.
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Sorry if I sound like a **** lol I wish we could do voice on here because text makes me sound like a total **** on here ??
Curious to know your model number? Should be similar to Xt1926-7. Without being unlocked, you can't modify system partition so I believe you might be out of luck. I'd try the command to unlock just to see if you get lucky. It should simply fail with an error message if it doesn't work. It shouldn't brick the device. I do wonder if blankflash might be of use in this case but not sure. If you can also throw in a link to the specs of that specific model, it would help.
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Xplorer4x4 said:
Curious to know your model number? Should be similar to Xt1926-7. Without being unlocked, you can't modify system partition so I believe you might be out of luck. I'd try the command to unlock just to see if you get lucky. It should simply fail with an error message if it doesn't work. It shouldn't brick the device. I do wonder if blankflash might be of use in this case but not sure. If you can also throw in a link to the specs of that specific model, it would help.
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The model number is XT1925DL. Build number is OPS27.104-15-15. It is the 3GB ram and 32 GB internel storage. Thats all i could find out for this model. And this is what i got for the unlock command. I believe its the one you were referring to. Im not sure if it was successful because it said it was supposed to erase user data.
hydroman202 said:
The model number is XT1925DL. Build number is OPS27.104-15-15. It is the 3GB ram and 32 GB internel storage. Thats all i could find out for this model. And this is what i got for the unlock command. I believe its the one you were referring to. Im not sure if it was successful because it said it was supposed to erase user data.
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I believe it's asking for the unlock code. You have to get that from Motorola's website.
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I believe it's asking for the unlock code. You have to get that from Motorola's website.
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I believe you are correct. Unfortunately they wont give it to me because its says my device is not eligible to be bootloader unlocked. Wish there was another way to bootloader unlock it. Or maybe some other way to get the code. Although im pretty sure that isn't possible. Maybe there is a way maybe not. I will just have to do more research.
Not sure it matters but your command is wrong. Try this: fastboot oem get_unlock_data
Should look like this:
(bootloader) 0A40040192024205#4C4D3556313230
(bootloader) 30373731363031303332323239#BD00
(bootloader) 8A672BA4746C2CE02328A2AC0C39F95
(bootloader) 1A3E5#1F53280002000000000000000
(bootloader) 0000000
The command you are using is to unlock the bootloader not get the unlock code(my fault I wasn't clearer).
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hydroman202 said:
I believe you are correct. Unfortunately they wont give it to me because its says my device is not eligible to be bootloader unlocked. Wish there was another way to bootloader unlock it. Or maybe some other way to get the code. Although im pretty sure that isn't possible. Maybe there is a way maybe not. I will just have to do more research.
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Even if you aren't on the list of eligible devices, you can still request it. Only ten percent of the unlockable phones are on that list. Get your unlock info and request an unlock key on Motorola's website anyway. It'll probably work
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Even if you aren't on the list of eligible devices, you can still request it. Only ten percent of the unlockable phones are on that list. Get your unlock info and request an unlock key on Motorola's website anyway. It'll probably work
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That's what I was thinking too based on the Moto site.
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The e5 play isn't on the list and I unlocked both of the ones I had. Same with the e4 I believe. They only list the developer phones as readily unlockable. But most of them are unless blocked by the carrier. I believe T Mobile had theirs locked down.
Starkiller2 said:
The e5 play isn't on the list and I unlocked both of the ones I had. Same with the e4 I believe. They only list the developer phones as readily unlockable. But most of them are unless blocked by the carrier. I believe T Mobile had theirs locked down.
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To my knowledge Verizon is the only carrier that blocks it. Seems very un T-Mobile like to block it. Times change but when the LG G3 was released T-Mobile variant was the only one that could be unlocked for sure. Verizon was locked, AT&T was mixed results I believe, Sprint variant was locked I believe but who cares about sprint anyways [emoji14]
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Xplorer4x4 said:
To my knowledge Verizon is the only carrier that blocks it. Seems very un T-Mobile like to block it. Times change but when the LG G3 was released T-Mobile variant was the only one that could be unlocked for sure. Verizon was locked, AT&T was mixed results I believe, Sprint variant was locked I believe but who cares about sprint anyways [emoji14]
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You're right. I'm thinking of cricket. And that's only what I've read in the forums. T Mobile is unlocked
I've just found out my bootloader is Verizon based. Which means that it's a no go for unlocking it. Unless someone else can think of a way or find an alternative route to generate an Motorola unique key. Which I'm pretty sure it can only be done by them. I may be wrong though.