Possibly the BEST Screen On Time ever? - Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers

I've own the note 9 since it's release, and I've heard that the phones need to "calibrate" themselves to achieve their best battery life, so long story short, today I got this INSANE SOT
Pretty much an hour of SOT per every 10% of battery.
NO battery saving mode.
My screen is at WQHD
AOD off (I don't really need it)
Mostly WIFI
I'm using Swift Installer (all black with accents)
IMO I think this battery is an absolute beast. What do you guys thinks?
And yes, this was on a single charge. From 100% down to 4%

Did you check if anyone got better
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/review/screen-time-t3824664

Not a record but still impressive..I've seen 13+ hours even on Note 8 lol. You can game SOT like crazy if you really want to

raul6 said:
Did you check if anyone got better
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/review/screen-time-t3824664
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Actually I did, the best one I saw was 9:43 or something, not higher.
sefrcoko said:
Not a record but still impressive..I've seen 13+ hours even on Note 8 lol. You can game SOT like crazy if you really want to
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Yeah I know, the thing that surprised me was that I didn't even noticed until I opened the battery stats and checked, I watched a LOT of YouTube and even played some TWAU

Show your cumalative averages from the day the device was purchased for a slightly better overall picture. From 8/22/18.
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There was this random one from Reddit. Of course, staring at Reddit for as long as this person did probably helped.
Image: http://imgur.com/a/9D6v5J6
Post: https://redd.it/9bbu2i

Snapdragon?
TonyGzl92 said:
I've own the note 9 since it's release, and I've heard that the phones need to "calibrate" themselves to achieve their best battery life, so long story short, today I got this INSANE SOT
Pretty much an hour of SOT per every 10% of battery.
NO battery saving mode.
My screen is at WQHD
AOD off (I don't really need it)
Mostly WIFI
I'm using Swift Installer (all black with accents)
IMO I think this battery is an absolute beast. What do you guys thinks?
And yes, this was on a single charge. From 100% down to 4%
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http://imgur.com/gallery/lFyydP5
Read it and weep, iPhone peeps each your hearts out litteraly.

mmjs14 said:
http://imgur.com/gallery/lFyydP5
Read it and weep, iPhone peeps each your hearts out litteraly.
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That's amazing .[emoji24]
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enyaj said:
Snapdragon?
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Yes my friend.

You guys don't have electricity in your countries? ?
/CK

That is pretty impressive. In fact it is on par with that of the Huawei Mate 10's battery life.

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REALLY bad battery life, is this normal?

Heya,
I've used my One for a few hours now, I'd say moderately heavy use (checked facebook/twitter, downloaded some apps, watched a few youtube video's, played Dungeon Hunter 4 for 30 minutes or so, checked flipboard).
I'm amazed by the poor battery life, especially since all the reviews were so positive. Will it get better? Could I have a faulty battery? This is nowhere near the 14 hours people have been talking about...
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Zepid said:
Heya,
I've used my One for a few hours now, I'd say moderately heavy use (checked facebook/twitter, downloaded some apps, watched a few youtube video's, played Dungeon Hunter 4 for 30 minutes or so, checked flipboard).
I'm amazed by the poor battery life, especially since all the reviews were so positive. Will it get better? Could I have a faulty battery? This is nowhere near the 14 hours people have been talking about...
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With what you are doing i lose like maybe 5-10%. Your battery is faulty for sure!
igi0n said:
With what you are doing i lose like maybe 5-10%. Your battery is faulty for sure!
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you can't tell yet. @Zepid, look for better battery stats xda edition and install it and post the screenshot for kernel and partial wakelocks, other and process.
It's hard to really tell with the default battery monitor, try BetterBatteryStats or GSAM from a full charge and go from there.
Also turn Power Saver on. It limits the CPU to 1.1GHz, and won't even affect gaming performance, or anything else for the matter except benchmarks. Click on the Power Saver option to customize what gets turned on/off.
You should check out the thread that talks about battery saving tips. It helps a lot and make sure you install a custom Rom such as trickdroid.
It's very battery efficient.
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Don't forget that if you install a custom ROM, you'll need to root your One. That also means loosing your warranty
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DH4 is a beast on battery in my experience. It is hard to play that game and not burn a ton of battery.
Anyway, when I don't play DH4 I still get 5 hours screen time. That's without power saver, auto sync disabled, and Lux adjusting screen brightness. I'm sure if I used power saver I'd get much longer.
Seriously, give it a couple of days!
BenPope said:
Seriously, give it a couple of days!
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I have found my battery improved after about a week of having my phone.
Graphic intense games like Dungeon Hunter 4 EATS the battery.
Thanks guys, the Power saving feature definately seems to help, and it's not slowing down the phone at all. I'll give it some time and see if the battery life improves.
Zepid said:
Thanks guys, the Power saving feature definately seems to help, and it's not slowing down the phone at all. I'll give it some time and see if the battery life improves.
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before you start combating symptoms, you should first try to diagnose the disease, so you can combat the underlying disease, follow my first post
I have to agree, my battery life is pretty poor. I'm going to give it a week and hopefully it clears itself out.
macros14 said:
I have to agree, my battery life is pretty poor. I'm going to give it a week and hopefully it clears itself out.
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You should allow more time, at least 2 or 3 updates, to iron out the biggest bugs. All manufacturers need that time, apple en Samsung too.

Speculation for Nexus 4 battery life improvement

Got the Nexus 4 on release, so far it has been 8 months and never regreted buying it. Many people bash about the poor battery life of the N4, and praise about how awesome the note 2 battery is; it does makes me think twice about selling my N4 for a note 2. Before 4.3 I get a pretty decent SOT, on average about 4.5 hr. Sometimes it surprises me with SOT in the 6 hr range(attached pictures, before 4.3 update).
After updating to 4.3, like many other people, Ive experienced a battery improvement. Now on average, I get 5 hr + SOT. Im on stock everything, no custom roms or kernels. Another thing Ive noticed after the update is that the phone doesnt heat up as much, and it's this that I believe lead to battery improvement(less heat =more efficiency). This phone truly has a potential, and Im holding on to it, to see what it can do with the next update: Key Lime Pie.
Aha, and I don't suppose you could post this in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1992627
I think the majority has a **** battery in contrast to the note 2. I don't know what yoi do with your phone in that time, but I would never get such results. I think not even with uv
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vanmarek said:
Aha, and I don't suppose you could post this in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1992627
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^ This.. Lock it up.
bustem said:
I think the majority has a **** battery in contrast to the noHerste 2. I don't know what yoi do with your phone in that time, but I would never get such results. I think not even with uv
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I dunno why, but sometimes it is awesome while other times it is not(3.5 to 4 hrs). I realize the battery life is much better when you don't use auto brightness. Here's another picture. Totally stock.

[OP5] Battery life Thread

Let's make this the official battery life thread for the Oneplus 5, enjoy :good:
OnePlus 5 Battery Life Thread
Hi all,
I figure it would be useful to get a battery life thread going so we can see what type of performance we can get and also understand how people might be improving their battery performance.
I haven't done one full battery drain yet as I only got the phone yesterday. I will be doing that on this cycle to see how it performs. For reference I am at 90% after about 7 ½ hours having put down at 100% and not on the charger when I slept. I had 2% battery drain over night (slept maybe 6 ½ hours) and have 54 minutes SOT (light usage, just messaging, Twitter, slack, chrome etc) with the remaining 8%. I'm not sure how OP phones battery life reduce, I know LG always has a strong first 10% and then rapidly drops off for example.
In terms of setup, I am rooted and using Doze Settings Editor (GeraldRudi preset), Naptime, Leandroid (but I need to figure out if this is actually working). I am also using dark themes were possible as these are better for AMOLED screens. I've also tweaked kernel in EXKM but nothing major that would positively impact battery.
Just to follow up, I have completed my first full cycle and can report that I got just over 6 hours of SOT over about 33 hours.
I had a bit of Bluetooth and GPS but I do keep the screen brightness as low as possible which really does help battery life as well.
I have also included CPU frequencies for reference, I haven't made any governor tweaks but that would be something to look at or maybe wait for custom kernels which I'm sure would have different governors including EAS based ones.
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rav101 said:
Just to follow up, I have completed my first full cycle and can report that I got just over 6 hours of SOT over about 33 hours.
I had a bit of Bluetooth and GPS but I do keep the screen brightness as low as possible which really does help battery life as well.
I have also included CPU frequencies for reference, I haven't made any governor tweaks but that would be something to look at or maybe wait for custom kernels which I'm sure would have different governors including EAS based ones.
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For a stock rom thats some great values. Im on 40% now and got like 4hrs SOT. Device is running for like 29 hrs. Probably got the same as you
MrPepperino said:
For a stock rom thats some great values. Im on 40% now and got like 4hrs SOT. Device is running for like 29 hrs. Probably got the same as you
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Yeah I definitely think so. There has been a trend in recent years of reducing battery life IMO. I had easily 8 hours of SOT over two full days on my HTC One M8 when I first got it and each year it's just gotten worse to the point now where 6 hours is considered great but I'm not complaining, I will take that over other phones barely managing 4 to 5 hours SOT.
Very excited to see how far this phone can be optimised on battery life with custom ROMs and Kernels. Good days ahead
Make sure to post your results when you complete a full charge and what you've done battery savingwise to achieve that
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rav101 said:
Yeah I definitely think so. There has been a trend in recent years of reducing battery life IMO. I had easily 8 hours of SOT over two full days on my HTC One M8 when I first got it and each year it's just gotten worse to the point now where 6 hours is considered great but I'm not complaining, I will take that over other phones barely managing 4 to 5 hours SOT.
Very excited to see how far this phone can be optimised on battery life with custom ROMs and Kernels. Good days ahead
Make sure to post your results when you complete a full charge and what you've done battery savingwise to achieve that
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Nah didnt do screenshots this time. I got to work and forget that. Next charge will be a screenshot
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The battery life in mine is awesome. 21 hours, on 4g/WiFi and 4:30 hours SOT on half battery.
Probably will last me more than 2 days with normal usage
I can get around 8 hours SOT with medium use and brightness set to low. I am mostly indoors and I am impressed. With the same usage on my OPO I got 3.5 hours SOT.
ElementalX and 4.5.2 is out and coming out very shortly so the game will change again battery life wise. There will be different kernels that will help or hinder battery life depending on how much they are geared that way or towards performance.
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After 5hrs of screen on time and 13hrs of standby mostly on 4g, still have 38% of juice left! All stock ofcoz.
lou2s said:
After 5hrs of screen on time and 13hrs of standby mostly on 4g, still have 38% of juice left! All stock ofcoz.
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I have very similar experience. Here are mine screenshots.
My second Charge. All settings on Stock. Im satisfied
MrPepperino said:
My second Charge. All settings on Stock. Im satisfied
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Awesome. The OP5 definitely looks like a good phone for battery life as we can run the phone pretty hard and still get decent SOT
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rav101 said:
Awesome. The OP5 definitely looks like a good phone for battery life as we can run the phone pretty hard and still get decent SOT
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Yes this is my normal usage. Probably its that good cause i dont use insta, facebook etc. Maybe i will install the instagram app and look a bit around.
Im just waiting for official TWRP to root and tweak the whole phone. It can even be better.
Pretty good battery life today
I would like to see LTE only
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I would like to see LTE only
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My first charge was data only. I've had a couple of issues with stand by drain but I think that has been sorted now (back down to 2-3% drain over night) so should be able to get another decent reading today.
I am however now on freedomOS and ElementalX so things are changing up and I can see there is another OTA fix on the way.bit hard in the early weeks to get through a full day without something changing!!
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I have never been more pleased, I might just get 8-9 hrs of SoT
This too
I like what I see .
Pg, pls also post also when you're using data (if you're using)

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the OnePlus 5T before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I booked my Oneplus 5t at 21st November and got it in my hands next day.... Thanks to Amazon for awesome and so fast delivery in India..... My 22nd November just passed with copying all the stuff from my old 3T and 23 morning I start my day with my new beast..... Really its beast man.... Lot of whatsapp... Facebook. Chrome.... Little YouTube.... Insta... And installing lots of apps.....here you can see the sot
Edit.. Afterall in first battery cycle 6hr SOT achieved
Here you go
stunning stock kernel sot.
jkyoho said:
stunning stock kernel sot.
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What is stunning? You were charging the phone... Useless info and post...
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ahepas said:
What is stunning? You were charging the phone... Useless info and post...
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Sorry to your 3t SOT jealous. It's stunning from me because that's my own cycle of daily using a phone. Not like someone who can only tell a cycle by 100%--10%
proudly sharing my battery usage statics. During this time I have updated and installed lots of apps with torrents download
jkyoho said:
Sorry to your 3t SOT jealous. It's stunning from me because that's my own cycle of daily using a phone. Not like someone who can only tell a cycle by 100%--10%
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Jealous? Oh my... Anyways, that doesn't change the meaningless post of yours... Play with something else...
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Now had my first Cycle. For that big screen it's more than good. In Comparison to Op5 and Nexus 6p you can see the difference Qhd on Nexus to FullHD on Op5 a day FullHD+ on Op5t. For all the people who want more Resolution inxmy opinion FullHD+ is best choice because it needs less battery and I can not see any Pixels on that great Samsung panels
I got 6 and 51 minutes SOT
24hrs later after first charge from yesterday.
6hrs SOT seems easy target from me. I Will try get some game play for heavy duty test in this weekend.
First full day of use, quite impressed!
I request the OP to edit his first post and tell the users to charge phone till 100% and let it discharge under 10% before posting SOTs without charging in between for the most accurate result.
I had the pleasure of using the OP5 before getting the OP5T and i feel OP5 battery drain was lesser as compared to the T. This is not to say that OP5T has a bad battery life but i was able to get 7.5-8 hrs on OP5 on moderate use with 5-8% remaining. On the T i get around 6-6.5 hrs which is decent. Maybe after a few cycles it might improve.
Awesome battery life guys
Typical usage day, 2.5 hours of YouTube and some video calls, chatting etc. OnePlus 3 I got 3 to 3.5 sot max (freedomOS and bluespark). WiFi and 4G.
I like this, never had even near 6 hours in any phone.
Happy but I think a custom rom will get more.
zeeshanonlyme said:
I request the OP to edit his first post and tell the users to charge phone till 100% and let it discharge under 10% before posting SOTs without charging in between for the most accurate result.
I had the pleasure of using the OP5 before getting the OP5T and i feel OP5 battery drain was lesser as compared to the T. This is not to say that OP5T has a bad battery life but i was able to get 7.5-8 hrs on OP5 on moderate use with 5-8% remaining. On the T i get around 6-6.5 hrs which is decent. Maybe after a few cycles it might improve.
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Easy answer: smaller Screen means less power consumption. Amoled 5.5 inch vs 6
Wait for updates they will improve bugs for more battery life I think.
First full charge and then this, transferred and installed lot of applications,watched a lot of videos.This is pretty amazing,love it
Loving the battery life. This is my first discharge cycle and it's double the sot as my old nexus 5x.
Amazing battery life
After my first charge to 100% this has been my battery life

Mi 9 great battery life

I've had my device for a day now and I was worried at first weather the 3300mah battery would last a day's use and I can gladly say this device is optimised very well.
With 4hours of on screen time with 50% battery left this device has met my expectations and further.
I've hardly come of this phone all day.
So for me it's a thumps up if anyone is worried about battery life it should be perfectly fine for a day+ use.
vimto25 said:
I've had my device for a day now and I was worried at first weather the 3300mah battery would last a day's use and I can gladly say this device is optimised very well.
With 4hours of on screen time with 50% battery left this device has met my expectations and further.
I've hardly come of this phone all day.
So for me it's a thumps up if anyone is worried about battery life it should be perfectly fine for a day+ use.
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I've actually so far experienced the opposite today I had under 3 hours SOT and was at around 35%, though I did notice that high accuracy was enabled as well as WiFi scanning.
Will continue to monitor....
Screen on Time is a meaningless figure to judge battery life.
For instance - Browsing the web will drain way more battery life than watching a YouTube video
Th thing is with the MI9 auto brightness is way to aggressive.
If you use lot of outside it will drain lot faster than indoors.
Indoors 6 till 7 hours SOT no problem. Lot of outside 5 till 6 hours or. Something like that.
cd993 said:
I've actually so far experienced the opposite today I had under 3 hours SOT and was at around 35%, though I did notice that high accuracy was enabled as well as WiFi scanning.
Will continue to monitor....
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*justintime* said:
Th thing is with the MI9 auto brightness is way to aggressive.
If you use lot of outside it will drain lot faster than indoors.
Indoors 6 till 7 hours SOT no problem. Lot of outside 5 till 6 hours or. Something like that.
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I've had it on manual
What I have noticed is when I was outdoors, there was some sort of outdoor mode being activated, so not the auto brightness but the automatic contrast. Got it in standard now and so will see how tomorrow on a full charge. Still though, I could swear that colours (the black theme on my SwiftKey keyboard) were adjusting in bright sunlight.
Will indeed keep an eye on this, but yeah so far battery is a let down, and that has been with full 4g signal, Bluetooth off etc
A friend sell his Mi9 after 3 days. With 2 sim cards and 50/50 wifi/lte he get about ~5h SOT without gaming and youtube after <1day.
With Youtube he can get easy 8h SOT but thats normal for Amoled.
cd993 said:
I've had it on manual
What I have noticed is when I was outdoors, there was some sort of outdoor mode being activated, so not the auto brightness but the automatic contrast. Got it in standard now and so will see how tomorrow on a full charge. Still though, I could swear that colours (the black theme on my SwiftKey keyboard) were adjusting in bright sunlight.
Will indeed keep an eye on this, but yeah so far battery is a let down, and that has been with full 4g signal, Bluetooth off etc
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Yes that auto contrast setting I have noticed too. Very strange. I can't get it off either.
*justintime* said:
Yes that auto contrast setting I have noticed too. Very strange. I can't get it off either.
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I'm gonna report it as a bug.
Also as Cell Standby drain is high, I've just adjusted this setting, found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-8/how-to/fix-battery-drain-mobile-standby-t3883840/page1
To add at my SOT I use the MI9 in dark mode all the time.
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To add at my SOT I use the MI9 in dark mode all the time.
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Yeah me too...
I've changed those network so will see how well my device does today.
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cd993 said:
I'm gonna report it as a bug.
Also as Cell Standby drain is high, I've just adjusted this setting, found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-8/how-to/fix-battery-drain-mobile-standby-t3883840/page1
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To add at my SOT I use the MI9 in dark mode all the time.
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Quick update: seems better already since i changed those settings. Got 30 mins SOT and still at 95%.
Will see how the rest of the day goes!
Hi,
I think something is wrong with the Cell standby usage.
I tried the fix for disabling Chinese antennas, but still it's like this.
https://imgur.com/a/EZD8Xmt
I'm on China version (I bought the mobile in China actually).
Any advice? Shall I switch to Global?
And it looks like that auto brightness seems to consume more battery than manual, is it just for me or something for more people?
stokks said:
Hi,
I think something is wrong with the Cell standby usage.
I tried the fix for disabling Chinese antennas, but still it's like this.
https://imgur.com/a/EZD8Xmt
I'm on China version (I bought the mobile in China actually).
Any advice? Shall I switch to Global?
And it looks like that auto brightness seems to consume more battery than manual, is it just for me or something for more people?
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I too had the bad drain but switching to LTE/WCDMA helped me so far I think.
I'm at 60% 2 hours SOT and I've been taking lots of photos, such switching that setting helped lots!
My brightness is on auto and seems to adapt pretty well I thought.
WiFi scanning is off.
And I don't have dark mode enabled.
Not much gaming tho but YouTube streaming.
Coming from OnePlus 6t and pixel 3 I'm doing the same things but noticing better battery life so for the 3300mah I think it's doing pretty well indeed I'm very satisfied
I never use auto brightness except when I want to use my phone in full sun (beach..) to activate the boost brightness.
My sot is 6 hours by day. Very good (level of the $9 /$9 plus).
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cd993 said:
I too had the bad drain but switching to LTE/WCDMA helped me so far I think.
I'm at 60% 2 hours SOT and I've been taking lots of photos, such switching that setting helped lots!
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But on the link it said the settings go back after restart of the phone.
Is this not happening with the Mi9?
krouri said:
But on the link it said the settings go back after restart of the phone.
Is this not happening with the Mi9?
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It does. Hopefully it will get fixed in a future update in GLOBAL roms...
I have just updated to Global 10.2.26.0 ROM from 10.2.24.0 and I'm getting over 9hrs screen on time! I'm getting over 17-20 hrs with that screen on time so I would say it's doing great! I watch a good bit of movies and YouTube on it as well as do a lot of pictures and video. Do I do use it rather hard and get those numbers still!
Im on a PFAEUXM rom, i've found that the battery life is good when you are using the phone, i'm geussing the screen and the CPU are really efficient, but the standby drain when i don't use the phone is pretty bad..
redmyth79 said:
I have just updated to Global 10.2.26.0 ROM from 10.2.24.0 and I'm getting over 9hrs screen on time! I'm getting over 17-20 hrs with that screen on time so I would say it's doing great! I watch a good bit of movies and YouTube on it as well as do a lot of pictures and video. Do I do use it rather hard and get those numbers still!
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I get 6 hrs sot on 10.2.26.0 ?
What settings do u use? Whats your secret?
alese13 said:
I get 6 hrs sot on 10.2.26.0 ?
What settings do u use? Whats your secret?
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Dude I just got 31hrs with 6hrs and 23 min SOT and I didnt even let it die. I use a lot of photography, video [email protected] I also watch a lot of movies and in-between I do a good bit of YouTube or Twitter.
I can get over 9hrs easy anytime. If I just got for maximum SOT I've passed 11hrs many times and never ran the Mi 9 dead. I mean sometimes it's within a few % but I always put it back on charge if that's the case.
I leave the brightness on auto but it seems I always have to go in the menu and push it higher to my liking.
Now understand this. This is mostly indoors except for when I'm shooting video. I never take it off auto brightness, I just push it up. I have it on increased contrast. Nothing more. I optimize it at least once a day and I clean my Cached file daily. That is the extent of what I do. I have accubattery app on it so I watch to make sure it truly is at 100% before taking it off.
I have no issues with SOT, oh and I always have WiFi on as well.
You say you get 6hrs but only 6hrs SOT with no combined time with it?

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