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Why I will never upgrade to the Note 5

The Note 5 will never have AOSP because Samsung isnt releasing the Exynos code. So you'll always be doomed to slow touchwiz.
Note 5 going through the recent tabs, stuttering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pqdsdEqqc&feature=youtu.be&t=31
Note 4 on Marshmellow/CM13, going through the recent tabs, damn fluently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMFGahR-Nr8
That's how Touchwiz ruins beautiful hardware. Who cares about benchmarks, it's all about user experience. And that just s*cks with Touchwiz.

gekkehenkie11 said:
The Note 5 will never have AOSP because Samsung isnt releasing the Exynos code. So you'll always be doomed to slow touchwiz.
Note 5 going through the recent tabs, stuttering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pqdsdEqqc&feature=youtu.be&t=31
Note 4 on Marshmellow/CM13, going through the recent tabs, damn fluently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMFGahR-Nr8
That's how Touchwiz ruins beautiful hardware. Who cares about benchmarks, it's all about user experience. And that just s*cks with Touchwiz.
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Really doubt the Note 5 performs that bad considering I get none of that (recent apps) lag on my n910c running touchwiz.

Toss3 said:
Really doubt the Note 5 performs that bad considering I get none of that (recent apps) lag on my n910c running touchwiz.
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Can you shoot a video ? I used this app, it's really simple: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hecorat.screenrecorder.free
Just put it at 60 hz because that's your screens refresh rate (otherwise it will introduce recording stuttering). Thanks !

Toss3 said:
Really doubt the Note 5 performs that bad considering I get none of that (recent apps) lag on my n910c running touchwiz.
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i can confirm this there is absouletly no stuttering in recent apps aswell i can also add both s6 edge and note edge is very fluid too with 5.1.1.

tmac31 said:
i can confirm this there is absouletly no stuttering in recent apps aswell i can also add both s6 edge and note edge is very fluid too with 5.1.1.
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Then maybe YOU can shoot that video ? Somehow people here state how fluid the Note4 exynos on Touchwiz it is but dont want to actually show it.
It takes literally only a few minutes of your time.
Thanks.

gekkehenkie11 said:
Then maybe YOU can shoot that video ? Somehow people here state how fluid the Note4 exynos it is but dont want to actually show it.
Or, wait, you are on a snapdragon according to your sig ? In that case, you must be joking. It's even WAY worse than the Note 5 when running touchwiz.
Thanks.
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my note edge is snapdragon and yes there is just no scrolling lag in recents but there was in 5.0. btw i believe you are understanding that video wrong there is no stutter in recents but there is sttuter in apps like twitter and i can say scrolling in s6 edge is bad aswell but somehow note 4 scrolling is pretty smooth i just have no idea how. again stutter isnt in recents but in apps.
check this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/note-5-scrolling-behaviour-t3195672

tmac31 said:
my note edge is snapdragon and yes there is just no scrolling lag in recents but there was in 5.0. btw i believe you are understanding that video wrong there is no stutter in recents but there is sttuter in apps like twitter and i can say scrolling in s6 edge is bad aswell but somehow note 4 scrolling is pretty smooth i just have no idea how. again stutter isnt in recents but in apps.
check this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/note-5-scrolling-behaviour-t3195672
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I'm downloading touchwiz 5.1.1 right now and will shoot a video myself then. I'm sure it's horribly stuttering too. That's just what touchwiz does.

gekkehenkie11 said:
Can you shoot a video ? I used this app, it's really simple: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hecorat.screenrecorder.free
Just put it at 60 hz because that's your screens refresh rate (otherwise it will introduce recording stuttering). Thanks !
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Yup will upload it soon; had to switch batteries.
EDIT: Cannot record anything without making everything stutter like crazy. So recording the screen isn't going to show how smooth it really is.

Toss3 said:
Yup will upload it soon; had to switch batteries.
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Ok looking forward to it ! Will shoot a video on touchwiz 5.1.1 snapdragon myself too, for the fun of it.

gekkehenkie11 said:
I'm downloading touchwiz 5.1.1 right now and will shoot a video myself then. I'm sure it's horribly stuttering too.
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do it since im on mobile data and man no1 really cares you gonna buy note5 or not lol. i wont either unless my company buys me a free one snapdragon was dead this year and if it will be dead next year aswell no1 will care how bad touchwiz is and just go for exynos again. record a video for multitasking aswell if you want i can confirm s6 edge and note5 sucks in multitasking and cm note4 will blow them. so it will be good motivation for yourself also and you can pass note6 too maybe.
about note5 and s6:
apps stutter:YES
Multitasking sucks:YES
Themes make phone laggy:YES
recent apps lag:NOPE

tmac31 said:
do it since im on mobile data and man no1 really cares you gonna buy note5 or not lol. i wont either unless my company buys me a free one snapdragon was dead this year and if it will be dead next year aswell no1 will care how bad touchwiz is and just go for exynos again. record a video for multitasking aswell if you want i can confirm s6 edge and note5 sucks in multitasking and cm note4 will blow them. so it will be good motivation for yourself also and you can pass note6 too maybe.
about note5 and s6:
apps stutter:YES
Multitasking sucks:YES
Themes make phone laggy:YES
recent apps lag:NOPE
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It just pisses me off somewhat. I mean all that beautiful hardware Samsung puts in their phones. Probably the best out there. And then they ruin everything with Touchwiz ... It's sad.

tmac31 said:
do it since im on mobile data and man no1 really cares you gonna buy note5 or not lol. i wont either unless my company buys me a free one snapdragon was dead this year and if it will be dead next year aswell no1 will care how bad touchwiz is and just go for exynos again. record a video for multitasking aswell if you want i can confirm s6 edge and note5 sucks in multitasking and cm note4 will blow them. so it will be good motivation for yourself also and you can pass note6 too maybe.
about note5 and s6:
apps stutter:YES
Multitasking sucks:YES
Themes make phone laggy:YES
recent apps lag:NOPE
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In which ways are the apps laggy? (edit: noticed you said themes so ignore this) Cannot say I notice any "lag" apart from the occasional stutter on my n910c (wanamlite's rom and googy_anas' 2.0 kernel (default settings (gentle_fair_sleepers off))). Have you checked the Profile GPU rendering graphs? I usually see stutters in most apps when loading content in the background when scrolling, but should be pretty smooth (60fps) almost 99% of the time. No wonder the scrolling is so slow on iOS.
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gekkehenkie11 said:
Ok looking forward to it ! Will shoot a video on touchwiz 5.1.1 snapdragon myself too, for the fun of it.
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The screen recording app makes the phone stutter like crazy so I cannot shoot a video that would show off how smooth it really is. Maybe that's why the note 5 appears to lag in the video? I can use an external camera to shoot me scrolling through my opened apps, but wouldn't want to bother. But if you require proof I'll be happy to provide it.

Toss3 said:
In which ways are the apps laggy? (edit: noticed you said themes so ignore this) Cannot say I notice any "lag" apart from the occasional stutter on my n910c (wanamlite's rom and googy_anas' 2.0 kernel (default settings (gentle_fair_sleepers off))). Have you checked the Profile GPU rendering graphs? I usually see stutters in most apps when loading content in the background when scrolling, but should be pretty smooth (60fps) almost 99% of the time. No wonder the scrolling is so slow on iOS.
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The screen recording app makes the phone stutter like crazy so I cannot shoot a video that would show off how smooth it really is. Maybe that's why the note 5 appears to lag in the video? I can use an external camera to shoot me scrolling through my opened apps, but wouldn't want to bother. But if you require proof I'll be happy to provide it.
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no i was talking about note5 and s6 scrolling lag in 3rd party apps note4 is better in scrolling
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note...viour-t3195672

tmac31 said:
about note5 and s6:
apps stutter:YES
Multitasking sucks:YES
Themes make phone laggy:YES
recent apps lag:NOPE
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I must stand corrected ! I just installed TW 5.1.1 on my note 4 (I hadnt even bothered, yes I hate touchwiz THAT much). And you were right, the recent app screen is WAY better than in 5.0. Maybe the recent apps will be better for the Note 5 then when Samsung releases 6.0 for them.

gekkehenkie11 said:
I must stand corrected ! I just installed TW 5.1.1 on my note 4 (I hadnt even bothered, yes I hate touchwiz THAT much). And you were right, the recent app screen is WAY better than in 5.0. Maybe the recent apps will be better for the Note 5 then when Samsung releases 6.0 for them.
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Then you should really try TEKXodus N4 URv3.3
It's very snappy with its latest update. It's getting through till my 6P arrives.

Now i'm happy note 4 user
with custom rom and like a boss
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gekkehenkie11 said:
It just pisses me off somewhat. I mean all that beautiful hardware Samsung puts in their phones. Probably the best out there. And then they ruin everything with Touchwiz ... It's sad.
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100%
that's why they keep losing every year ...
not like S3 when it came everone loved samsung
they keep ruining everything ..

I'm using n910c there is no lag what so ever.

Once you have used the Note 5 for awhile & go back to the Note 4 it does feel antiquated both software & hardware.
Don't get me wrong I have note 4 N910C & it's great but to use, feel & look at the Note 5 has it beat.
SD card aside, I never changed batteries, get the Note 5 & you won't want to go back.

Have the Note 4 and went looking for a Note 5 64. Couldn't find one and I wasn't going to be stuck with 32.
I got the S6 edge+
The Note is an excellent phone. However, the more I pick up and put down the edge+ the more I understand how wide the gap is with the illusion of quality.
The edge is a beautiful phone, and feels really special in the hand. The Note 4 is more comfortable to hold and use. I carry them both, and mostly reach for the Note to do anything worky. It's just more reliable. And the removable battery and expandable memory makes is a lot more useful.
I find myself reaching for the edge more and more. It's smooth, it's beautiful, there's something there that's not um tangible. I'm beginning to make excuses to use it - I feel far more special afterward than I do with the Note.
I can see how, if one had the 5, it would be difficult to reach for the 4.
The materials actually DO change completely, how you relate to the phone.
The thing is - the Note 4 remains far more functional, far more reliable, far more efficient, and itself, is beautifully constructed.
Where the edge is sophisticated, the Note has class.
Does that make sense?
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gekkehenkie11 said:
The Note 5 will never have AOSP because Samsung isnt releasing the Exynos code. So you'll always be doomed to slow touchwiz.
Note 5 going through the recent tabs, stuttering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pqdsdEqqc&feature=youtu.be&t=31
Note 4 on Marshmellow/CM13, going through the recent tabs, damn fluently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMFGahR-Nr8
That's how Touchwiz ruins beautiful hardware. Who cares about benchmarks, it's all about user experience. And that just s*cks with Touchwiz.
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Thought Note 4 only had cm12.

OEM skin/software

Are you comfortable in your own skin? Is your phone comfortable in its skin? Rate this thread to express how you deem the skin on the LG Nexus 5X. A higher rating indicates that you love it: it adds just the right amount of features, it's visually pleasing, and overall it's additive to the experience. If this is a Nexus phone (you didn't think we hand-wrote all of these prompts, did you?) then use this rating to indicate how the latest version of Android looks to you.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Are you kidding me? This is a nexus.

It's a Nexus. The "skin"(such an inaccurate term), or really the lack of one, is the main selling point of the phone.

This thread is funny... to call stock Android a "skin" smh.... I do not think I would trust a reviewer who calls stock android a skin..

" If this is a Nexus phone (you didn't think we hand-wrote all of these prompts, did you?) then use this rating to indicate how the latest version of Android looks to you."
Do you guys read the post?

And people wonder why XDA has gone down the pan and devs leave by the bucket load.
It's because of threads like this that plague the site.

Hehe, thats true. But it's not only xda , it's everywhere
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Funny that for the 5x this is 3.5 stars but the 6p is at 5 stars... ridiculous.

paulhott said:
Funny that for the 5x this is 3.5 stars but the 6p is at 5 stars... ridiculous.
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+1
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I love Pure Android 7.0 with Google Pixel Launcher. Sorry original Android 6.0 launcher is not my taste.
I give 5 star with custom loaded Pixel Launcher.

OEM skin/software

Are you comfortable in your own skin? Is your phone comfortable in its skin? Rate this thread to express how you deem the skin on the Nokia 5. A higher rating indicates that you love it: it adds just the right amount of features, it's visually pleasing, and overall it's additive to the experience. If this is a Nexus phone (you didn't think we hand-wrote all of these prompts, did you?) then use this rating to indicate how the latest version of Android looks to you.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Stock Android is always better than MUIUI, touchwiz and so on

julian84 said:
Stock Android is always better than MUIUI, touchwiz and so on
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But some stock app is boring. Like Messenger, I need to insert receiver before input text. HTC Messenger allow me to type text, save draft without receiver.
Also, I don't like stock icon in Nokia 5 )

I havent texted in years and you can always download nova plus some icon pack
My point is that there a few phones without skins.

Stock Android is the reason i want to switch Xiaomi Note 4 to Nokia 5

AAQiL said:
Stock Android is the reason i want to switch Xiaomi Note 4 to Nokia 5
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Did u root your Nokia 5…?

No

Beautiful stock android. I use nova launcher that makes the homescreen a little more snappier and prettier.

Unmodified Android is one of the biggest reasons why I bought this phone, it's not a great performing phone, but the software is very clean.

Pure Android, and using it with Xperia Home and Nova prime with custom icon pack for the home screen. Cause the stock launcher isn't very customisable and the stock launcher's dock is taking too much space in the display

Sime annoyances in the UI like having to scroll all the way to the to to clear all apps. Some more themeing would be nice too. otherwise stock ftw

Software (ease of use, features, etc)

When you hand your phone to granny to take a photo of you, can she get the job done? Rate this thread to express how you deem the Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro's camera software. A higher rating indicates that the software is easy to use, fast, uncluttered, and inclusive of advanced features for when you need them.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

TBH miui is getting boring, and there are many time when I am unable to find some settings I have to relay more on search option

I have purchased this for a family member of mine. Presently I am using it for a day or two for testing to see if everything is working fine within the return window.
MiUi is out right intolerable for me who loves custom ROM and using Z2 Plus (SD820/4GB).
But I kind of appreciate Xiaomi for their update commitment for their devices running MiUi.
UI is good enough for some one who is a completely non technical person.
Battery backup is excellent, so are their overall tuning. Yes there are some issues but their update cycle is dependable to get continued update for fixing any such.
But there are complaints, even from those users.
UX look and feel issue (China Factor)
How on earth MiUi Dev's think everyone likes Chinese bubbly design language?
Look at Oppo, they are Chinese to start with but Oxygen OS is getting so much love from rest of the world. Look at Samsung with their UI. So much different from stock android but loved around the world.
Can't they have a different UI which rest of the world will like?
Complicated Navigation
MiUi is getting complicated with its settings layout. Things are embedded so deep, it's problematic for non technical users for find their way around.
Getting Old and Boring
Once again another complain I am hearing from non technical user of MiUi. New device doesn't give new feeling anymore since the UI is kept same for half a decade now.
Similar issue what non technical users are reporting.
Like for example, my family member who would be using this device refused to upgrade from Samsung On8 (J7) to this year's On8 (J8) since everything looked same. Even though underneath, it's a completely different device.
Ads and privacy issues
Yeah they recover their cost from ads but it's utterly objectionable when they are showing adult ads without any specific option to toggle or filter such ads.
Lastly why do they need so much permission for ads? Our privacy too matters.. You really don't need so much personal information for showing ads.
No notch Support for MiUi
MiUi isn't yet notch compatible. Simply it's a cut in display. Nothing else. Notifications bar needs to optimised for this Notch. But judging from their MiUi agresive update cycle, hopefully we can have a better notch management.
Thanks.

3 starts. There's no 4K 30 FPS or Full HD 60 FPS recording option, and I know the sensor is capable of it.

USA Version.. No Global Dark Mode? No Gesture Navigation? No Theme Engine?

Just got my USA (Global) version RM3. It appears DARK mode is borked. If I change to dark mode in the settings, the settings menu stays bright white. Disappointing.
Also, there doesn't appear to be any way to change the 3 button navigation bar whatsoever! No reordering the buttons, no hiding the navigation bar, and NO GESTURE NAVIGATION! WTH? This is Android Pie. Why did Nubia remove this option? Apparently gesture navigation IS available on the Chinese model of this phone. Hugely disappointing.
Lastly, no way to theme the phone is disappointing, but not a deal breaker at all.
Here's a video of the Chinese Rom. Look at 5:50 in the video. The settings menu is in dark mode and completely different! Also notice that the stock home screen of the launcher has a nice theme with custom icons that are not present in the Global version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRucqyT7DDQ

Hi,
Yes, you're doing the same experience than a large number of other early adopters.
About the Gestures : it is indeed really surprising that this feature has been removes as it is a real function in Android 9. However, this is really simple to circumvent and in a really easy and covnenient manner. Just install Fluid N.G.n enable it with ADB and configure to your likings => there you go, gestures as you want them
The absence of Theming is indeed quite annoying. But even more annoying is the "Dark Mode" not functionning. I still rather have a function that is not present than one that appears and does not work. I have good hope that an update will solvez the problem.
But of course what you're saying here is just the most visible part...
Is there a way to have Always On Display, which is a feature that is a must have on AMOLED ? Not that I have seen...
Is there a way to sync with the simple touch of a Quick Setting tile ? Not that I have seen...
Is there a way to set the display heu/saturation and the refresh rate ? Not that I have seen, unless in Game mode where you can set the refresh rate but obviously only at gaming...
This is a really nice device, but it is so far plagued with a B.A.D. software.
But as it has been released really recently, there is still hope that some software updates might solve these problems.
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
But of course what you're saying here is just the most visible part...
Is there a way to have Always On Display, which is a feature that is a must have on AMOLED ? Not that I have seen...
Is there a way to sync with the simple touch of a Quick Setting tile ? Not that I have seen...
Is there a way to set the display heu/saturation and the refresh rate ? Not that I have seen, unless in Game mode where you can set the refresh rate but obviously only at gaming...
This is a really nice device, but it is so far plagued with a B.A.D. software.
But as it has been released really recently, there is still hope that some software updates might solve these problems.
Regards.
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So, is the refresh rate of the screen set to 90hz ALWAYS, or does the 90hz only work when you are in the game space mode?

xphyle1971 said:
So, is the refresh rate of the screen set to 90hz ALWAYS, or does the 90hz only work when you are in the game space mode?
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Hi,
I can't say.
There's no way to measure that...
I would guess 60Hz in non gaming mode, and maybe 90Hz if in Gaming mode.
But that is just a guess and I'd like to be proven otherwise.
Software on this toy is really poor

You can set it automaticor manually to 60 or 90

Arrenlaxmali said:
You can set it automaticor manually to 60 or 90
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Hi,
Thanks... I know that.
But the setting is for the gaming mode is it not ?
So the question is still the same : if I set the refresh rate to 90hz in the gaming settings, does this affect the refresh rate in gaming mode only or for all uses ?
Regards.

The screen prob stays at 90hz all the time, most games tho won't go any higher then 60fps so the 90hz is mostly beneficial in the menu's and website scrolling.
Pubg runs at around 60fps and fortnite at around 30fps, there are some other games tho that support a higher refresh rate.
90hz games:
https://www.androidauthority.com/asus-rog-phone-90hz-games-931674/
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It's always 90hz, only in game mode you can choose 60hz.
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The Global ROM is not RedMagic OS 2.0 at all...
It's just stock Android with minor tweaks

Does the USA version have any difference form global version?
Edit: forget to added question mark. XD

Devinzx said:
Does the USA version have any difference form global version?
Edit: forget to added question mark. XD
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They are the same. The Chinese version is the one that is vastly different with a cool theme, custom icons, working dark mode (even in settings menu), and gesture navigation. But that version has no Google apps or framework.

xphyle1971 said:
They are the same. The Chinese version is the one that is vastly different with a cool theme, custom icons, working dark mode (even in settings menu), and gesture navigation. But that version has no Google apps or framework.
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Well we got that future updates?

Is there a way we can install chinese rom on global devices? Installing gapps is no problem as chinese rom going to get faster updates and its filled with features. Global rom is just a stock skin no feature inside it

aKs. said:
Is there a way we can install chinese rom on global devices? Installing gapps is no problem as chinese rom going to get faster updates and its filled with features. Global rom is just a stock skin no feature inside it
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I follow MANY tech YouTubers. None of them were able to successfully install Google apps or services onto the Chinese variant of this phone. I suspect that's why the USA/GLOBAL version of the phone has a much more vanilla android skin than the Chinese version which is heavily modified.

The Chinese rom isnt heavily modified, yes it contains more features then the global rom but its still very stock like.
Google services is working perfectly on my Chinese rom btw, no problem installing huge apps etcetera.
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aKs. said:
Is there a way we can install chinese rom on global devices? Installing gapps is no problem as chinese rom going to get faster updates and its filled with features. Global rom is just a stock skin no feature inside it
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Chinese roms are here.
http://ui.nubia.cn/rom/detail/62

xronaldx said:
The Chinese rom isnt heavily modified, yes it contains more features then the global rom but its still very stock like.
Google services is working perfectly on my Chinese rom btw, no problem installing huge apps etcetera.
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Your Chinese variant only comes with 6GB of Ram? That sucks. Looks like the global models comes with 8GB minimum.

xphyle1971 said:
Your Chinese variant only comes with 6GB of Ram? That sucks. Looks like the global models comes with 8GB minimum.
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Like you would ever use more then 4gb of ram with an app on Android
More ram is a profit point for company's and doesnt give more performance to the user, unless you enjoy switching between 20+ programs all the time.
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aKs. said:
Is there a way we can install chinese rom on global devices? Installing gapps is no problem as chinese rom going to get faster updates and its filled with features. Global rom is just a stock skin no feature inside it
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xronaldx said:
Like you would ever use more then 4gb of ram with an app on Android
More ram is a profit point for company's and doesnt give more performance to the user, unless you enjoy switching between 20+ programs all the time.
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I'll happily take more ram over less any day.

Do you have any Google sync/notification issues on the Chinese ROM? Also, can you cross flash ROMs from the Global->Chinese and vice versa?
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I have no way to change APN settings under settings in mobile network!