Anyone else notice the main keypad under the screen (the whole thing) sits loose under the brushed aluminum front face? Just curious if mine is bad or they all are that way. Thanks.
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rdtce said:
Anyone else notice the main keypad under the screen (the whole thing) sits loose under the brushed aluminum front face? Just curious if mine is bad or they all are that way. Thanks.
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yeah..i think its been discuss already,your not the only one with that problem,mine seems like its getting worse.
Just to inform that mine is no problem. I got Kaiser since first week of September and the keyboard still fine.
In fact, I dont use it quite often nowadays because I am getting used to the Pocket CM Keyboard !
http://www.pocketcm
I can type very fast with pocketcm keyboard and I have my own keyboard layout with all keys that I want.
gogol said:
Just to inform that mine is no problem. I got Kaiser since first week of September and the keyboard still fine.
In fact, I dont use it quite often nowadays because I am getting used to the Pocket CM Keyboard !
http://www.pocketcm
I can type very fast with pocketcm keyboard and I have my own keyboard layout with all keys that I want.
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Acutally, they are talking about the dpad area... the whole group of buttons there (Send/End/Start/OK/etc) is loose. I'm in the same boat.
Prolly should take a poll, since some are tight and not moving, like mine, I'd perhaps consider asking for a replacement.
RemE said:
Prolly should take a poll, since some are tight and not moving, like mine, I'd perhaps consider asking for a replacement.
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I think you guys are worrying a bit over nothing. It's just a plate that has a fraction of a millimetre around it that lets it move a little. It cannot get worse as it slides under the faceplate and therefore will never fall out. It does not have the switches attached. They are perfectly firm underneath. It's just a fancy plate/cover, it's not glued or screwed in place but merely held in by the lip that runs underneath the faceplate. Not an issue really -forget about it in my view.
Mike
I was just curious...I think it is designed that way. No big deal really
rdtce said:
I was just curious...I think it is designed that way. No big deal really
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Nothing wrong with being curious. You are correct it is designed that way and in that sense it's not a fault. It might bother some people, but I just wanted to re-assure anyone that thought it was a fault and might get worse. They are all like that though some may be a little more free to move than others.
Cheers
Mike
PS apologies if I sounded blunt or dismissive, did not mean it that way. I know it bothers (or makes people curious!) not just here but on other fora.
most dpad assembly moves...like the 810 pro and 838 pro..
it's design like that...
I was at target today and found one of these in the ipad section. So far im pretty impressed. It cuts down on finger prints and it's more accurate. It also makes copying and pasting a lot easier. I really missed using a stylus with all these fancy new capacitive screens (not that I miss resistive screens).
Sometimes it doesn't register but all and all it's great. If you are thinking about grabbing one of these, go for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Technology-Stylus-iPhone-touchscreens/dp/B0041D0K1Q
is it because the stylus shape is circle rather than square that make more comfortable to respond?
Honestly I haven't tried another yet. I think the circle is easier to predict where it will touch I guess.
I would however like a smaller point.
is it laggy if you try and draw with it
I picked up the official samsung stylus... hmm it is okay but (I don't know if it is just the screen-protector, but that will also play it's part in the whole thingy) drawing is laggy and inaccurate...
Still a good addition for marking text etc...
I wonder why drawing is laggy with them yet using your finger isn't. :/
swyped from a galaxy far far away...
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I wonder why drawing is laggy with them yet using your finger isn't. :/
swyped from a galaxy far far away...
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Maybe it is because of interpolation... the finger has a way larger area which has contact to the screen and so there is a denser flow of information and valid (contact)points... the stylus is rather small, so there will be a lot of skipped points... the touchscreen software/driver has to interpolate the missing data and more skipped information means more lag... that's what I would guess.. :-/
just like the circle stylus, work fine
Sent from my DJ Galaxy
I had to download a drawing app. Seems to be ok. I really expected lag or something but it worked just fine. Better than other uses I guess. I sometimes get a dead tap unless I press fairly hard. Drawing worked pretty well.
after view days using it the circle stylus, it happened the circle get boldy and lack of responsed
Only had my note for about 24 hours, coming from a gs2.
The only thing bumming me out is that I can't one hand this guy at all. Is the nexus that much easier to hold with one hand if at all?
I have the Note and Galaxy Nexus w/ ICS. The nexus is much easier for one handed but the keyboard S***s. I have installed other keyboards but will not change. Nexus nice but needs some tweaking, also a lot of menus on the top of the screen which is a bummer for one handed. Kinda like the Iphone, always needing to go to the top of the screen which I dislike. Hook up a Platronics HD head phone and you will be surprised what can be done over bluetooth, ie respond to a text while the phone stays in your pocket
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Bluetooth on the NOTE
So your saying because ICS lacks the menu key, the apps put the menu key functionality in the top right of the screen? I can JUST reach that corner on my GS2's 4.2, there is no way I will be able to with a 4.65.
Not having both devices in hand, I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to send my note back for a nexus. Any other thoughts you have in the "vs" department? Does the nexus feel more like a gs2 in its pocketablity or is it just a little smaller feeling than the note?
doing an OVA update on the Nexus. Checkout update and then post a pic of the nexus screen vrs S ll screen on the menu issue.
Looks like if you can swipe task bar easily then no problem getting to the three squares (menu).
I have both, Nexus obviously much better for one-handed use if that is the main criteria.
Thanks for the replys guys. I had a couple more questions.
Does text on the nexus websites (like engadget) appear sharper when zoomed all the way out because of the higher dPi?
Is the curved glass not much of a advantage?
How much lighter is the nexus? My note feels like a brick next to the gs2.
Can you see the same pentile matrix grid effect (if that what it is) on solid colors?
Do you live in Portland and I can come compare
If you had to pick one device to be your daily driver until the galaxy s3 comes out what would it be? I've sold my gs2 so can keep or return my note for a nexus. I really can't decide. I remote desktop a ton and the pen is kind of a letdown for that, its almost too responsive and bounces around making right clicking or even double clicking difficult. I find myself pinch zooming and finger taping anyway.
Thanks for any input you have, I'm running out of time to decide if I want to return my nite for a nexus.
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Thanks for the replys guys. I had a couple more questions.
Does text on the nexus websites (like engadget) appear sharper when zoomed all the way out because of the higher dPi?
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Yes, but obviously it's a lot smaller than on the Note at that zoom so readability difference between them is moot for me.
sportedwood said:
Is the curved glass not much of a advantage?
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No advantage, I love how it looks but in practice doesn't add anything.
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How much lighter is the nexus? My note feels like a brick next to the gs2.
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A lot lighter. Goes without saying really, difference feels similar to the SGSII to Note difference (Nexus slightly heavier than the SGSII, but basically similar).
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effect (if that what it is) on solid colors?
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I don't think it's pentile, I think it's all SAMOLED screens, the SGSII has the same uneven tone on solid colours (particularly noticeable on lower brightness settings and grey backgrounds). At any rate the Nexus definitely has this.
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Do you live in Portland and I can come compare
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No and no, sorry
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If you had to pick one device to be your daily driver until the galaxy s3 comes out what would it be? I've sold my gs2 so can keep or return my note for a nexus. I really can't decide. I remote desktop a ton and the pen is kind of a letdown for that, its almost too responsive and bounces around making right clicking or even double clicking difficult. I find myself pinch zooming and finger taping anyway.
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Note for me, Nexus has too many compromises for my personal usage (no expandable memory, camera not very good, worse GPU/CPU, worse GPS), but depending on your needs it may suit you.
The p20 pro is delivered with a screen protector. On top of this is also an extra layer of plastic with a red tab at the top, meant to be removed before using the phone. I have to leave this second plastic layer on the phone to be allowed to return it.
Scrolling isn't good on the device. It's like the phone hold off scrolling until I've moved my finger some distance in a direction. This causes scrolling to be unsmooth and I'm not sure if it is due to the extra plastic layer interfering with touch sensitivity or if I have a faulty device or even worse: this is the way it is.
See video below for illustration. Notice how scrolling won't move right away with the finger. How are your phones with this? I hope that it's just the plastic but I'd rather not risking it to rip it off and find the issue remaining and no return.
Comparing on my current phone, a note 8, scrolling follows the finger right away.
Link to clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzek18SlFY0&feature=youtu.be (above embedding didn't work for some reason)
It's not the plastic protector that's causing it. I have removed it and mine is exactly the same.
It's not the plastic protector that's causing it. I have removed it and mine is exactly the same.
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Sad to hear it. It makes the scrolling experience feel like something from the entry level. I really wanted to like this phone but it seems the camera is all that's going for it in my book.
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Sad to hear it. It makes the scrolling experience feel like something from the entry level. I really wanted to like this phone but it seems the camera is all that's going for it in my book.
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Seems to be a Huawei thing. I've had the same on a Honor 9 but it was much worse as it made it impossible to use it like I use my phones normally. It doesn't bother me too much on this one even though I notice it. On the Honor 9 it was hardware fault or just a bad digitizer because I had another Honor 9 too which was just fine and instant in the scrolling. It might be the digitizer this time around too. If I enable "show touches" under developer options it just doesn't trace the finger when doing smaller movements.
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Seems to be a Huawei thing. I've had the same on a Honor 9 but it was much worse as it made it impossible to use it like I use my phones normally. It doesn't bother me too much on this one even though I notice it. On the Honor 9 it was hardware fault or just a bad digitizer because I had another Honor 9 too which was just fine and instant in the scrolling. It might be the digitizer this time around too. If I enable "show touches" under developer options it just doesn't trace the finger when doing smaller movements.
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Same thigh here. It behaves the same way when showing touches so something tells me this may not be software but it's hard to tell. Seems some do not have the problem but I kind of get the feeling that non power users may not even notice it. I'm just the kind of person taking note of things like that this and it ruins the entire experience.
Add the horrible oversized ui to this and a few of the other kinks and suddenly all this phone seem to offer is a great camera and a lovely placed fingerprint sensor.
This seems to be the same issue as we are having in this thread.
Here is a video of the issue that I made. Note this is without the plastic interface OP was mentioning.
Mixy said:
This seems to be the same issue as we are having in this thread.
Here is a video of the issue that I made. Note this is without the plastic interface OP was mentioning.
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It's the same issue, no doubt!
After the Livermorium keyboard mod finally failed, I got to work to create something myself, using my trusty 3D printer.
As a basis I am using an generic mini bluetooth keyboard. This thing comes under a variety of names, one of which is Jelly Comb IBK-26IM, but there are a lot of other names for this thing. Additionally to the full six-row keyboard (including dedicated rows for numbers and F-keys and keys like alt, ctrl, esc or shift) it also offers a mediocre touchpad for mouse control.
In the current iteration I only use a 3D printed clamp that connects the keyboard to the smartphone. This is a very simplistic approach but already this is a lot better than only using a touch keyboard.
I made a version that used laptop hinges from an old laptop to fold the keyboard to the back of the phone when not used (Motorola Backflip style), but the laptop hinges were way to strong. So I am currently working on a design using 3D-printed adjustible-strength torque hinges. I am thinking of making a double-hinged design that allows the keyboard to be folded both over the front (laptop style) and the back (Motorola Backflip style), so it can protect the keys and display when stored, and still be used in landscape with the keyboard out and in portrait mode with the keyboard folded to the back of the phone.
These designs I am working on will replace the back plate of the keyboard to reduce the thickness of the whole thing. I am also thinking about adding lead weights to the bottom of the keyboard to balance the top-heavyness, which is an issue, though surprisingly not a major one.
I also made a clamp to connect the smartphone with a Playstation 3 or XBox One controller.
Is anyone interested in either 3D-print files or 3D-printed parts for this? I can adjust the clamp part to work with about every smartphone.
Instead of putting lead weights.. try design it to have a kick stand.
BTW, it awesome for your work so far. Please continue and update here the improvements.
I would love to have one if all fit - slim - easy and most of all, work out perfectly...
Thanks for the interest and the feedback!
Where would you put the kickstand?
I have been using the clamp for a while now. It works pretty nicely. I am not sure if a joint is entirely necessary, since I can just pop the phone out of the clamp if I don't need the keyboard. I will build and test it though, just to see if it is an improvement.
A nice project. :good:
Though there already exists some clamshell variants like the Gemini and the Cosmo
My interest is primarily in a slider - though of course your solution is much better than touch-only.
I have my hopes up high for the "Q-device" hinted at e.g. here and until more news on that, i'm using a Snap-On keyboard for the Samsung S8- (Unfortunately it does not work completely on S9-, see this https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/accessories/keyboard-cover-s8-modified-s9-t3841101
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Just an Idea, depending on how the 3D-print and the hinge is joined. It could be nice if the two 3D-parts meet, and had some suitable cut-ins so it 'snapped' in place at a couple of angles. e.g. closed, open 120 degrees and open 180 degrees.
And If you can get hold of hinges like the Lenovo Yoga, it would be clever if it could bend over and stay in a couple of more angles, including 360 too...
Thank you!
The hinged version isn't actually a clamshell since it does not close with the display and the keyboard on the inside, but rather on the outside. Compared to a clamshell device this does not offer any protection for the screen and the keyboard, but it allows using the display in portrait mode without having the keyboard dangle off to one side. A double-hinged design would allow for both, closing it like a clamshell and also folding the keyboard to the backside.
I would prefer a slider as well, since it is a middle ground between both designs. The keyboard is protected and the screen is not, but you can still use the device in portrait mode. I have two problems with a slider design, though. First, I haven't found any 3D-printable (or cheap and very small buyable) sliding mechanisms. Second, because the sliding mechanism needs to attach to the top of the keyboard, I cannot build it into the back of the keyboard as I am doing with the folding mechanism. The back half of the keyboard is virtually empty and also the shape is pretty simple. So for the folding mechanism I am just going to replace that back half, thus saving a lot of thickness.
I attached renders of the backflip mechanism. Two of the renders show the device in the folded state, with the keyboard being on top, keys facing up, and the phone being on the bottom, screen facing down. The third render shows the mechanism in the opened state. The smartphone is inserted into the thin hoop part and the top half of the keyboard is screwed onto the wider flat panel on the right.
I will post pictures as soon as I'm done printing it and got it to work.
And also, thanks a lot for posting the link at the Keyboard Mod indiegogo page!
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I attached renders of the backflip mechanism. Two of the renders show the device in the folded state, with the keyboard being on top, keys facing up, and the phone being on the bottom, screen facing down. The third render shows the mechanism in the opened state. The smartphone is inserted into the thin hoop part and the top half of the keyboard is screwed onto the wider flat panel on the right.
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Ah I see, only 'backflipping'
You might consider something like this they even mention that you can request a sample, But 500 for $100 that should be enough for your immediate needs
I think I will first try it with 3D printed joints, since there I can adjust the resistance. I already tried it with other laptop hinges, but they were extremely tough, so it was impossible to fold the device without breaking something. Maybe there is something like that with adjustable torque, that would be good.
The version I am currently working on will work like the Motorola Backflip, which is where I got the term from.
Edit: @eske.rahn: I just saw your edit to the first post. Cut-ins sound interesting. I'll have to see if I can get something like that to work.
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I think I will first try it with 3D printed joints, since there I can adjust the resistance. I already tried it with other laptop hinges, but they were extremely tough, so it was impossible to fold the device without breaking something. Maybe there is something like that with adjustable torque, that would be good.
The version I am currently working on will work like the Motorola Backflip, which is where I got the term from.
Edit: @eske.rahn: I just saw your edit to the first post. Cut-ins sound interesting. I'll have to see if I can get something like that to work.
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I'm not sure what the correct technical term is, perhaps "Locking hinge", what I mean is something along these lines integrated, but with a limited number of positions
https://www.yeggi.com/goto/l52hmXJ/...03endmN/Qq7Sc29yaqOXKY5nh04POrrC04a_smZusqZ2W
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Dakkaron said:
I think I will first try it with 3D printed joints, since there I can adjust the resistance. I already tried it with other laptop hinges, but they were extremely tough, so it was impossible to fold the device without breaking something. Maybe there is something like that with adjustable torque, that would be good.
The version I am currently working on will work like the Motorola Backflip, which is where I got the term from.
Edit: @eske.rahn: I just saw your edit to the first post. Cut-ins sound interesting. I'll have to see if I can get something like that to work.
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You might also consider a completely different approach with the two halves always parallel, and the mechanics at the ends, like this table thing.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PZJuntwQL._SL1500_.jpg
(sort of most primtive 'slider', and if the arms got different lengths, you can get a tilt also)
This locking hinge design looks pretty simple. Should be no problem to incorporate that into my design.
A friend of mine had a smartphone a few years with this parallel-arms-design. I can't remember what it was. I think some Samsung phone. I don't think I can make this in 3D-print in the required size... I am thinking about a real slider though. Have to see if it is possible.
I tried printing the hinged design, but I don't have a good printing direction, since neither the top nor the bottom of the keyboard half are touching the floor. I need to rework this. Didn't have much time this weekend.
slider vs hinge
i get it that a hinge is easy to implement but would it not be better to try a sliding action over the hinge since it would allow for a end design
@Dakkaron If you're going for a DIY-solution, I'd suggest modding one of the many existing QWERTY-cases for the Galaxy S4, S5 and iPhone.
Several years ago I had one of those for my S4. The problem is, these are hard to come by, unless you live in the US.
I was also a backer of the keyboard mod, actually only bought the Moto Z because of that about 1,5 years go (and then had to replace it with a Z2 Play half a year ago).
As someone who was craving a keyboard smartphone for years, this is really frustrating.
In 2016 I switched to a Blackberry Priv - up until then I had an imported Droid 4 - but the lack of root and its terrible keyboard drove me away.
A few days ago I got a Gemini PDA and while it definitely has its benefits, it's not nearly as practical as a daily driver as a slider would be.
I wish I could just find one of the lucky few who got the keyboard mod and buy it from them for a hefty price.
As someone who struggles with these highly impractical touchscreen keyboards - even after 1,5 years - I'm really frustrated.
I simply don't get why many years ago smartphone producers suddenly forced keyboard-less phones on us up to the point where most people forgot about them.
It's not like people suddenly said 'we don't want a hardware keyboard anymore', they just stopped producing models with a keyboard.
But it's not like people don't want a physical keyboard!
I still know a few that just want to have a keyboard again. And everyone who's seen my keyboard phones so far immediately responded positively to them.
It's a shame that the options for people like us are so limited.
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i get it that a hinge is easy to implement but would it not be better to try a sliding action over the hinge since it would allow for a end design
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Sure a slider would be better for a SPECIFIC combo, but I guess the hinge design is easier to make more general for different types of keyboards and phablets/phones.
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I'm certainly with you @Shani Ace
Personally in the waiting for a real slider, I prefer the primitive snap-on solution for e.g. the S8 as an intermediate device over a hinge design (no matter what way it folds).
(and I must admit I'm getting impatient for more information of the elusive Q device. The teaser page offers so little that it's more annoyance than tease...)
@noonebikes4free: I too would like a slider best, but I just have no idea how to make one. I have taken apart the Motorola Droid 3 and 4, so I know how their sliders work, but there is no way I can replicate that in 3D printed plastic and my metalworking skills are non-existant. So it is not a case of me being too lazy to design one, but rather one of me not having any idea how to make one. If you find a good example I'd be happy to clone it.
@Shani Ace: I was thinking about these slider cases as well, but as you mentioned, they are very hard to find. Also, they are tiny since they were designed for much smaller phones. I wanted a keyboard that would be about the same size as my phone.
I too got the Moto Z Play for the keyboard mod. Quite a disappointment.
I have been using the keyboard with only a snap-on clip for the last few weeks and that seems quite practical. If I need the keyboard, I snap it on. If I don't need it, I snap it off. But the clamp on the keyboard makes it a very awkward shape to carry it around. But I think I figured out a solution that is almost as good as a slider, and that's a swivel hinge (I think they are called that way). So the phone would then rotate like a Nokia Twist, but with the joint in the center of the side of the phone and it would rotate 180 degrees. That would store the keyboard the same way as on a slider, but it would be way easier to make and sturdier. Combine that with a locking swivel mechanism and easy detachability for when you only need the phone.
What fo you think?
@eske.rahn I actually used those snap-on keyboards for a while on an S6 edge and later again with a S7.
But there were a few downsides which made me switch again:
* no backlight
* it limits screen size significantly (I countered that by reducing the DPI, but still...)
* the display ratio is wierd (some apps didn't scale that well, you have to scroll a lot)
* while the keys were definitely better than those of the BB Priv, they were still not nearly as good as on classic sliders like the Droid 4
@Dakkaron I had to fiddle around a lot with those keyboard cases (something would constantly fall apart, usually the springs) and their mechanism seemed quite simple. Although maybe that was the reason why they weren't stable enough for daily usage, who knows.
From what I remember, the pictures and campaign updates for the moto keyboard mod were quite similar though.
If you scroll down to the section titled "Sliding Mechanism" here, you can still see the pictures of it. Maybe that helps?
Personally, I'm not a fan of swivel mechanisms (also don't need to detach).
Then I'd rather go with a flip (like your current one) or clamshell (Gemini) design, but don't particularly like those either.
Problem is, the Gemini PDA is somewhat impractical when you're on the go. You can't really open it one-handed and the keyboard is so huge (and not backlit) that you end up having to look at it while typing and you need to be a real finger acrobat to input certain symbols.
I was just tempted to buy a Droid 4 or Photon Q off ebay again, but then I remembered they don't support LTE over here...
Guess I really have to wait a few more months. I just hope the q-device will actually make it to a full product.
@Dakkaron and @Shani Ace at least the snap on can be clicked on the back too. (and on the S8 even as a camera protector) But I tend to simply carry the keyboard in the shirt-pocket, as it is so light. And yes the lack of backlight is really bad - especially as they do not have a mode where the software keyboard layout is identical to the hardware one, and this really confuses my memory... It would cost virtually NOTHING for them to offer as an optional layout, and would make it so much simpler to switch, depending on the length of the text we need to enter.
Note that the S8 is much more suited for this than the S6, as the native display is so extremely elongated.
And sure the snap-on is not really a solution. But it is tolerable workaround for some months, until we hopefully get a Q-device. :angel:
(And it is REALLY cumbersome to use in real-life in Danish, the frequently used national letters are a little hard to get, and it does not interact well with the word-prediction/spellchecker - and unfortunately they are VERY common in Danish)
Oh, I thought the S7 was the last device to get that keyboard cover. Guess I mistook the S9 for the S8. ^^
But now I remember another downside: it didn work with custom roms. Has that situation improved with the S8?
If so, that might actually be worth a try, at least for a few months.
I was one of the keyboard mod backers and now I will get the same bluetooth keyboard as you have. So please keep us informed
I found a simple approach with an attachable cover. I'm thinking of adding a simple slide-out mechanism to the back of a cheap case.
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I'm thinking of adding a simple slide-out mechanism to the back of a cheap case.
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Hey, if you're successful with that, would you mind posting a how-to or even do it for others (for money) as well? Btw I'm also from Germany, so shipping would not be a problem.
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I was one of the keyboard mod backers and now I will get the same bluetooth keyboard as you have. So please keep us informed
I found a simple approach with an attachable cover. I'm thinking of adding a simple slide-out mechanism to the back of a cheap case.
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Actually you can get better solutions for the aPple Iphone6. See e.g. https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=554
But BE AWARE though standard BT keyboards works on Iphones, many Iphone keyboards does NOT work on standard phones/phablets...:silly:
I know it's a little off-topic, but @eske.rahn Mind answering my question from before (I guess it wasn't really clear, my bad)?
You said you were using the S8 with the keyboard cover. Does that still limited you to stock-based ROMs or is there a solution to use the keyboard cover with other ROMs (like RR, Lineage etc.) as well?
I just got an S7 and the keyboard cover will arrive in a few days, so I'm prepping everything right now to turn it into my daily driver until the q-device is released.