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Note 4 variants have different Camera Sensor!

Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.

Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.

Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor

SM-N910U Exynos model unsupport sony imx240 sensor.?

Here's GSMArena's review of the S-805 Note 4's camera. It's ISOCELL with phase detection so everyone can relax their sphincter.
Finally, a real camera evaluation. GSMArena's posted their review of the Note 4 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147.php ). They and Anandtech both due ridged objective testing which they subject all the devices they test to equally. So the results can be compared across devices. I personally put little value in sites that basically offer their opinion which, so far, all that's been posted represent. There are some pro and semi-pro photographers on XDA whose opinions I value but most people here posting pics of their dog and critiquing it aren't really reliable references. And people owning each brand of smartphone swear their brand's camera(s) are the best. And let's face it, if you search the Internet hard enough you can find substantiation for just about any point you're trying to make. That's why objective testing is so important - you can't fight facts and controlled examples.
Here are some excerpts from GSMArena's testing of the S-805 version of the Note 4's camera...
Focusing has been improved this year with the inclusion of phase detection pixels on the sensor. It's the same technology that premiered on the Samsung Galaxy S5 but it's even faster this time around. The LG G3 and the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus offer a similar hybrid auto focus systems combining the traditional contrast detect auto focus with phase detect.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 takes excellent pictures. The higher megapixel count is noticeable and we welcome the wider aspect of the images as both allow a bigger, better photo. Detail is superb, especially in the center of the photo but still doesn't degrade too much towards the far edges.
Images came out tack sharp across the frame and focusing was spot on. We noticed that the Galaxy Note 4 was very fast to lock on and even surpassed the Samsung Galaxy S5 on every occasion.
Colors aren't as punchy as those of the Galaxy S5 but are still vibrant. The white balance was spot on, finding a great middle ground between cold and warm. Scenes are well exposed and we like the dynamic range from the 16MP camera - the shadow and highlight areas of the image are well exposed.
There is some noise visible in the shadows and in solid colors (such as in the sky) but it's kept reasonably under control.
The autofocus when capturing close up (macro) images fares extremely well. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 can get very close to its subject (around 6cm) and capture detailed images. There is also a reasonable separation from the object and the background leading to a nice blurred effect (bokeh).
HDR samples aim to expose the entire frame better by capturing a series of shots at different exposures and matching them for the final result. We like the HDR effect on the Galaxy Note 4 - it gets a lot of detail back into the shadows but also improves upon the highlights
Overall, we can say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 carries one of the most capable cameras you can find on a smartphone. The quality is very high, detail is aplenty and things are always in focus and always sharp. The large resolution is welcome and the 16:9 makes much more sense than 4:3 (or any other ratio for that matter) on a 16:9 device.​Versus Note 3
Looking at the samples in good light it's clear the Galaxy Note 4 has the upper hand. It manages to squeeze a little bit more detail compared to its predecessor. However the Galaxy Note 3 doesn't lag too far behind. Truth be told, there is more noise in the Galaxy Note 3 image, especially in the sky. The noise in the Galaxy Note 4 image is better controlled and finer.
In scenes with more fine detail the 16MP snapper of the Galaxy Note 4 is clearly superior. The textures on the wall of the building below indicate just that. Not only that, but it clearly has a better dynamic range, as the highlights on the left are not blown as on the right, while keeping nearly the same exposure of the shadows.​Versus SGS5
When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.
The images below are shot at ISO 500 (automatic ISO) and with a shutter speed of 1/10s. As you can see the Samsung Galaxy S5 has a blurrier image while the Galaxy Note 4 keeps things a little more sharp at the same shutter speed. All four images were captured handheld.​
Here's GSMArena's six device camera shoot out test. In order of performance:
Lumia 1020
SGS5
LG G3
Oppo Find 7)
Xperia Z2 [Z3 has the same camera]
iP5s
They left out the HTC M8 because its 4MP camera doomed it from the beginning.
http://www.gsmarena.com/camera_shootout-review-1104p8.php

SAVVAS. said:
Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.
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oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.

Sony generally makes excellent camera sensors. Nikon even uses them.

Pako7 said:
oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Go blame that website which reported that, those are their words... Nonetheless, thanks for contributing on this matter:good:

This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.

BoneXDA said:
This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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Thanks for sharing your insight!
Do you also have the spec sheets for the IMX240 sensor? It is one of the better sensors on the market this year, right?

an_xda said:
Thanks for sharing your insight!
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@BoneXDA is smart, photographically savvy, and has contributed a ton to discussions of various devices camera performance. He's getting his hands on a Note 4 soon. Look for his review when it's posted. It'll provide insight in to a lot of the open questions hanging around. I'm looking forward to it.

The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!

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The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!
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The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.

I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!
I just hope it takes better low light shots than the S5... The comparison photos I have seen between the iPhone 6+ and the Note 4 thus far have me a bit saddened. I really want to use the Note 4 but what is holding me back is TouchWiz (do not want to root and lose warranty before it expires) and the camera.

Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?

JCM800 said:
Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?
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Does Nova Launcher change the way notifications work too? The TouchWiz skin takes up half the notification drop down... That is truly my only grip with the OS right now, the rest is not so bad.

EP2008 said:
Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.
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No they don't.
The Black Droid said:
Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor
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I hope you're being sarcastic.

an_xda said:
I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!.
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So does the iPhone since the 4S.

BarryH_GEG said:
The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.
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lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell... which honestly makes me happy bc again, I hated the s5 camera.
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jayochs said:
lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell..
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It may be ISOCELL manufactured for Samsung by Sony. @BoneXDA said after looking at SGS5 and Note 4 pics back to back they're 95% the same which would be hard to accomplish with two divergent technologies. I think he has one in hand so we'll know soon enough.

iPhone X portrait mode depth of field algorithm vs Note 8 - why aren't they similar?

Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?

everybodylovesfebs said:
Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?
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1. two TOTALLY different devices
2. I've made some "portrait"-pic's: no problems at all

Ah okay, yes agreed that Note is a phablet and other a phone. However I'd assume that in the camera department at least they would both perform similar.
Particularly, portrait modes where Note 8 blurs out lot more than your face where IPhone X does the same lot more accurately.

They are both phones, the ill-term "phablet" is no longer valid, as it was only referring to big screen sized phones in the days of the first Note, now all flagship phones are even bigger than the first galaxy note, the differences that henklbr refers to, are mainly how both OEM design, build and manage their devices

Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.

everybodylovesfebs said:
Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.
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The 3D imaging is only for front camera when used to unlock the phone. So no that's not the reason. Its software.

Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/

What does it really matter.. Ultimately, it's (a camera, any camera), is just a tool.. I've seen terrible (and I mean terrible, terrible) shots with the X, and I've taken some bad ones with my 8 in the learning process. Ultimately, it's up to the user to learn what the camera can and cannot do, and it's shortcomings.
I(and I'm sure many others)don't know why there is always someone "iPhone can do this".. Ok.. and, so what... Go buy an iPhone and see all that it cannot do, that the note can. And then, go post in an isheep (which the op sounds like) forum and see how many sensible responses you get..
We deal with notes.. Not iPhones here.. Who cares what that overpriced and over hyped single task piece of yesterday's hardware can or can't do(which can't, is a massive lot!).. I'll take my note on the worst day and night over that ugly screen and lack of multitasking on that ijunk..
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the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras

WaxysDargle said:
the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras
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And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:

rodrigofd said:
And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:
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that is debatable! lol

everybodylovesfebs said:
Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
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Both of those articles are referring to the front facing camera, not the rear cameras.

Geez I'm not an i sheep I've owned s2,3 4 5, s7e, s8 and now note 8. My close friend is however an apple fanboy and likes to compare both and up until the iPhone x I always had the upper hand in most things.
I spent hours trying to find a camera that takes portrait photos(both front and rear) with bit more accuracy when it comes to blurred background.
The 3D imaging is apparently only for the front camera which explains why the front self portraits are a lot better on the iPhone X where as the rear camera portraits are a lot closer in good lighting.
In dim lighting such as a restaurant, the Note 8 selective focus, live focus doesn't fire up due to "no contrast detected.." error.
I'm pretty happy with the Note and use proper mirrorless cameras (a6500 + 18-105 and Samsung NX500+45/1.8) for photography needs however thought I could ask the question here and see if I'm doing something wrong or get some constructive advice on ways to improve the portrait modes. Thanks

Well, yes, your reason is valid, but, in the end, it is always a matter of balance, even the mere fact of using a cell phone to take pictures ultimately reflects this, if taking pictures is the most important factor, a camera is the choice, but you have to pay a price, as I said, it is all about balance, Samsung tried to adress it with the galaxy cameras, but they abandoned it

Front camera gcam mod

I am using a non rooted nokia 7 plus. And in gcam, the resolution is restricted to 4 mp. Any way to resolve the issue?

What i think is this is related to the implementation of camera2api in the front camera or something from the system because i have tried with other apps and they register just 4mp and no 16mp...

and i thought nokia fooled us, bcz selfies from stock camera app doesn't look like of a 16mp sensor

only the Nokia Camera app reports the front facing camera as a 16Mpx
My guess is the sensor it's a 4Mpx and they just oversample merging multiple shots
This habit to declare the software resolution instead of the native sensor resolution is very common among the Chinese manufacturer
I think we just have to admit ourselves that this HMD is a much more Chinese company than the old Nokia was....

ice.man said:
only the Nokia Camera app reports the front facing camera as a 16Mpx
My guess is the sensor it's a 4Mpx and they just oversample merging multiple shots
This habit to declare the software resolution instead of the native sensor resolution is very common among the Chinese manufacturer
I think we just have to admit ourselves that this HMD is a much more Chinese company than the old Nokia was....
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its good that nokia only done cost cutting in front cam , cuz im not a selfie freak , and in good light its works just fine ?

Its not about if you use that lens or not. If they have put a 4MP lens then why are they lying to us. I did hardware tests from 5 sources, all of them show a 4MP lens.

im_anurag said:
Its not about if you use that lens or not. If they have put a 4MP lens then why are they lying to us. I did hardware tests from 5 sources, all of them show a 4MP lens.
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It shows 16MP on my end, under the Hardware section of the Camera tab on the Device Info HW, with root for low-level access. However, under the Software section it shows 4MP like any other as you have mentioned, and perhaps that's telling something. ?

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Its not about if you use that lens or not. If they have put a 4MP lens then why are they lying to us. I did hardware tests from 5 sources, all of them show a 4MP lens.
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ye it is wrong , but it was just an opinion , although many other manufacturers do the same , in this case it was just that we are not expecting this from nokia , a 4mp lens and bootloader locked forever

Help, S10 Camera overly processed soft, S8 much better

Well I'm stumped.. I recently got an S10 as the Huawei fiasco finally helped me chose the Samsung over it. I have had an S8 for 2 years and liked it very much but was looking forward to the improved cameras on the S10.
After testing it numerous times and comparing I couldn't believe it - The S10 jpgs are overly processed, even in ok indoor lighting (ISO 400 or less) to the point where they are actually much much worst than my S8.
As a comparison, see the attached pics that speak for themselves. S8 on the left, S10 on the right. Granted these aren't perfect but they are within the same lighting conditions, no tweaking (full auto) and take from the same angle. I think the Laserdisc wall one is the most convincing. I am using a SD855 variant with the latest updates
Have I got a defective unit ? Reviewers out there have been praising the S10 camera as being amongst the best if not the best. I can't believe the S8 would be giving considerably better results ?!

Well, comparing the RAW from the S8 and S10 it does look like the S10 is faring a bit better I would say (more details) so that was even more surprising. I tried the Gcam app with settings for S10 and it seems to confirm that the issue is directly tied to the Samsung app and processing. I had read that it was very agressive in noise reduction but it wasn't has bad on the S8 by an important margin. Moreoever, comparing the file sizes from Gcam to Samsung Cam indicates a way heavier compression on Samsung's part (same pic is 2.2 MB Gcam, 800kb SCam). See attached Gcam left, SCam right, should be obvious by now).

I agree, very disappointing. The s7 was better even, IMO. Using the Google camera port had gotten me excellent results, though, so I'm still satisfied with the phone overall. I really hope Samsung fixes their app, but I'm not holding my breath.

mhill1986 said:
I agree, very disappointing. The s7 was better even, IMO. Using the Google camera port had gotten me excellent results, though, so I'm still satisfied with the phone overall. I really hope Samsung fixes their app, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Which version of Gcam are you using? Do you know if telephoto is supposed to work on it? I get standard and wide but suspect that zooming is only digital. As well, no pro mode on gcam?

do any of the gcam apks support the wide angle on the s10e?

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Which version of Gcam are you using? Do you know if telephoto is supposed to work on it? I get standard and wide but suspect that zooming is only digital. As well, no pro mode on gcam?
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I'm using the version in my screenshot with the s10cs2.xml configuration from the gcam thread. Telephoto doesn't work. I also have turned off Pixel 3 AWB and have set exposure compensation to +0,8
Hope that helps.
Edit: turning off Pixel 3 AWB made a huge difference for the better in the color of my photos.

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I'm using the version in my screenshot with the s10cs2.xml configuration from the gcam thread. Telephoto doesn't work. I also have turned off Pixel 3 AWB and have set exposure compensation to +0,8
Hope that helps.
Edit: turning off Pixel 3 AWB made a huge difference for the better in the color of my photos.
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Interesting I'm on 1.5 with top motion XML. I assume it must be quite similar but it does have pixel 3 awb enabled I'll try turning it off, thanks.

Straight tripping dude. This camera is phenomenal. I was just at a pool party and was getting better, clearer, pictures than my step daughter was talking with her iPhone X.
I don't see any difference in your first set of photos. Not sure what the second set is supposed to be highlighting. The colors seem very vivid and the contrast looks spot on. The lighting isn't perfect but that's not the cameras fault.

razen_kain said:
Straight tripping dude. This camera is phenomenal. I was just at a pool party and was getting better, clearer, pictures than my step daughter was talking with her iPhone X.
I don't see any difference in your first set of photos. Not sure what the second set is supposed to be highlighting. The colors seem very vivid and the contrast looks spot on. The lighting isn't perfect but that's not the cameras fault.
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The OP's assessment is right on in my experience, but if you're happy with it, enjoy! I wish I was happy with the camera, but it is just too processed for my taste. Anyway, as I said earlier, I'm thankful for the Gcam option.

Pixel4 XL wide lens?

Will pixel 4Xl have normal wide lens or only selfie wide?

So far it looks like wide with a software crop for "normal" mode for the front

Also looks like the same sensor in the pixel 3
Unsure if it will boast any significant improvements over the pixel 3 in the camera department

It will. You've got multi-lens photography and one of the few secrets left, exactly what that 3rd sensor might be is not yet leaked but whatever it may be combined it adds up to more information that the on board co-processor will have with which to work. Those sensors will be leveraged against Goog's unsurpassed image processing capabilities and the result is going to be a leap forward for the Pixel line. How much of a leap is yet to be seen but I'm thinking one of it's biggest weaknesses should be improved; telephoto right now is some combination of soft and/or noisy. That at least should be much improved and it's an area where Goog visibly lagged behind other smartphone camera offerings. The reasons for that improvement go back to the topic of the thread...
The latest rumors say both lens are telephoto and the third unknown sensor is guessed to be time of flight or spectral.
No longer appears to be in doubt; the Pixel 4 XL will ship with 12.2MP Sony IMX363 sensor with an aperture of f/1.7 and a 16MP Sony IMX481 sensor with a telephoto lens. Interestingly the videos showing the prototype phones like the Vietnamese one all show that the third sensor and it's function are not in the firmware. Nor is it in the Pixel 4 camera APK which just leaked. It appears there are some things Goog doesn't want to accidentally *rolls eyes* leak and is trying to hold to reveal. Kinda interesting that...

Yes but the 363 is the same main sensor in the pixel 3 lineup
You'd think they'd upgrade the main sensor...bad move by Google imo but let's wait and see what the results yield

Not sure about that, upgrading the main sensor would toss buttloads of software development on what was one of the best total packages in the business. It was in the long shots that the competition was beating the Pixel lineup in photographs, in the close up stuff it was still absolutely top tier. Now they should have the telephoto stuff covered as well and you have the addition of the third mystery sensor. I don't think they can miss on it being a real upgrade, it's a matter of how significant.

Anyone here know what kind of telephoto it will be 3x? 5x?8x?I really want to have a better telephoto camera for my photography hobby.So im torn between pixel 4 xl and p30 pro

The rumor had it 5x optical plus 3x digital for 8x.

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Not sure about that, upgrading the main sensor would toss buttloads of software development on what was one of the best total packages in the business. It was in the long shots that the competition was beating the Pixel lineup in photographs, in the close up stuff it was still absolutely top tier. Now they should have the telephoto stuff covered as well and you have the addition of the third mystery sensor. I don't think they can miss on it being a real upgrade, it's a matter of how significant.
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I understand this but surely upgrading the main sensor wouldn't be too hard for the Google developers, they did a great job on the 362 and 363 sensors.

There is some evidence they did upgrade it in at least one respect; that we know of the aperture was apparently changed to let more light in. It's possible other changes exist that aren't known. However that may be camera modules are mature now and most of the work is done in software. I think I know where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with the thought that it would be nice if they used more up to date hardware in their devices. In this case I it's possible we may actually be ahead of the game because they are getting results that stand with the best in the business in most respects with the single older module right now. Keeping it and building on that with the telephoto lens and mystery sensor information added in might produce better results than a newer sensor with less development. More likely it's just Goog cheaping out on us as they do with all the rest of the hardware. Who knows? I still don't see how we don't see better results with what we know, it's a matter of how much better that I question.

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There is some evidence they did upgrade it in at least one respect; that we know of the aperture was apparently changed to let more light in. It's possible other changes exist that aren't known. However that may be camera modules are mature now and most of the work is done in software. I think I know where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with the thought that it would be nice if they used more up to date hardware in their devices. In this case I it's possible we may actually be ahead of the game because they are getting results that stand with the best in the business in most respects with the single older module right now. Keeping it and building on that with the telephoto lens and mystery sensor information added in might produce better results than a newer sensor with less development. More likely it's just Goog cheaping out on us as they do with all the rest of the hardware. Who knows? I still don't see how we don't see better results with what we know, it's a matter of how much better that I question.
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definitely agree with Google cheaping out on hardware.
we have other manufacturers making phones with great hardware at competitive prices (UFS 3, HDR10 90hz etc)
i have owned every pixel phone since release ( and nexus lineup prior) and i do notice a common theme with google, they always only incrementally upgrade their hardware and asking for a premium.
thats not to say that their phones arent as good.

What are the difference between the sensor in Pixel 4 and the new one which is being used on newer phones?