Is it possible to take Samsung Pakistan to the court? - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers

Is there a way to complain against Samsung Pakistan because of their cancellation of Android 9 for Note 8? Yes, I asked a person working in Samsung and he confirmed me that it confirmed me that the Pie update has been delayed/cancelled for indefinite period. I couldn't believe me ears, so I checked on sammobile and ALL countries around the freaking world has gotten update for SM-N950F. Stupid Samsung Pakistan has even removed Note8 from the list of models eligible to receive the update, in their Samsung members app.
Is there a way to legally complain against them or is there a consumer court system in Pakistan?

farrukhna said:
Is there a way to complain against Samsung Pakistan because of their cancellation of Android 9 for Note 8? Yes, I asked a person working in Samsung and he confirmed me that it confirmed me that the Pie update has been delayed/cancelled for indefinite period. I couldn't believe me ears, so I checked on sammobile and ALL countries around the freaking world has gotten update for SM-N950F. Stupid Samsung Pakistan has even removed Note8 from the list of models eligible to receive the update, in their Samsung members app.
Is there a way to legally complain against them or is there a consumer court system in Pakistan?
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Firstly, to answer your question: no, you can't lay a formal complaint because you didn't get an update. Samsung doesn't owe you that update. They didn't sign a contract with you, saying they will deliver it.
Now, I think whomever your friend is at Samsung that told you the update is cancelled and wherever you got the other information that it's been cancelled, are all lying to you. I haven't done any research myself, just yet, but I am perfectly certain you will be getting the update, at one point or another. And if you don't for some reason, you can just download it and flash it to your device, yourself. It won't void your warranty and it won't break anything or cause any problems. It'll be just like you've gotten the update yourself.
Also, just a side note; I'm in South Africa and I haven't gotten the update yet, either, so your statement about "ALL countries around the freaking world" is untrue. Just because you haven't gotten it yet, doesn't mean you won't be getting it. You will get it. Just be calm and patient.

Holy ****, dude.
It is just a phone update.
If you want it that bad, just flash it with Odin...

Yes!! You can ABSOLUTELY take Samsung to court! But only if you video record the look on the Judge's face when you tell him your complaint. Then you have to come back here and post it.

farrukhna said:
Is there a way to complain against Samsung Pakistan because of their cancellation of Android 9 for Note 8? Yes, I asked a person working in Samsung and he confirmed me that it confirmed me that the Pie update has been delayed/cancelled for indefinite period. I couldn't believe me ears, so I checked on sammobile and ALL countries around the freaking world has gotten update for SM-N950F. Stupid Samsung Pakistan has even removed Note8 from the list of models eligible to receive the update, in their Samsung members app.
Is there a way to legally complain against them or is there a consumer court system in Pakistan?
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Now I'm also kinda worried about getting the pie update on my note 8 because in Samsung members app they have shifted note 8 to "updated" row which is something weird because I am also living in Pakistan and still waiting for the update.

Well I'm not sure about taking samsung to court based on your case because: 1) samsung doesn't have a formal agreement with users about a specific update in a specific time and 2)the current state of phones are working properly and don't effect users experience.
Of course If you are pumped enough to go this far, you already know you can easily flash pie by odin in less than 10 min.
BUT let me tell you, you are not losing any thing special. I downgraded to Oreo yesterday!

Lmao! I have avoided ALL updates to oreo like the plague!! As I am very, very satisfied with my device running 7.1.1, And somebody is trying to take Samsung to COURT for not delivering the pie update!! Lol, this is a really funny world we live in!!

Hay brother cool down. Just update to pie manually. Yes i m also from Pakistan and thing to move to pixel or nokia as samsung always sucks at software updating.
P,S i m using pie and loving it.
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Firstly, to answer your question: no, you can't lay a formal complaint because you didn't get an update. Samsung doesn't owe you that update. They didn't sign a contract with you, saying they will deliver it.
Now, I think whomever your friend is at Samsung that told you the update is cancelled and wherever you got the other information that it's been cancelled, are all lying to you. I haven't done any research myself, just yet, but I am perfectly certain you will be getting the update, at one point or another. And if you don't for some reason, you can just download it and flash it to your device, yourself. It won't void your warranty and it won't break anything or cause any problems. It'll be just like you've gotten the update yourself.
Also, just a side note; I'm in South Africa and I haven't gotten the update yet, either, so your statement about "ALL countries around the freaking world" is untrue. Just because you haven't gotten it yet, doesn't mean you won't be getting it. You will get it. Just be calm and patient.
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I'm in the USA and I haven't even got the update either so I don't know where his "friend" got that information from!

farrukhna said:
Is there a way to complain against Samsung Pakistan because of their cancellation of Android 9 for Note 8? Yes, I asked a person working in Samsung and he confirmed me that it confirmed me that the Pie update has been delayed/cancelled for indefinite period. I couldn't believe me ears, so I checked on sammobile and ALL countries around the freaking world has gotten update for SM-N950F. Stupid Samsung Pakistan has even removed Note8 from the list of models eligible to receive the update, in their Samsung members app.
Is there a way to legally complain against them or is there a consumer court system in Pakistan?
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I'm not sure where u get your info from but sammobile has the pakistan csc pak pie rom. If you cannot wait for the ota download it from sammobile yourself and flash it via odin.
You will not trigger Knox doing this.
Next time check properly before posting this everywhere. I see your thread in reddit as well.
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I'm not sure where u get your info from but sammobile has the pakistan csc pak pie rom. If you cannot wait for the ota download it from sammobile yourself and flash it via odin.
You will not trigger Knox doing this.
Next time check properly before posting this everywhere. I see your thread in reddit as well.View attachment 4713894
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Its just uploded last day.
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Such would be about the same day the op asked this question here.
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Finally got the update just moment ago... ?

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Finally got the update just moment ago... [emoji4]
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Can u show me the result of *#1234#.
Just want to confirm my firmware.
Is i have to flash or mot.
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wmughal said:
Can u show me the result of *#1234#.
Just want to confirm my firmware.
Is i have to flash or mot.
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Not a problem bro!Just be patient i contacted samsung Pakistan too from Samsung members app tommorow and they told me to stay patient and today i got it.

zafi7890 said:
Not a problem bro!Just be patient i contacted samsung Pakistan too from Samsung members app tommorow and they told me to stay patient and today i got it.
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Its showing u r on oreo not pie [emoji848]
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Pie should be like this.
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wmughal said:
Pie should be like this.
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Will be downloading the update at night.

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lollipop coming soon

Just heard from a samsung worker at best buy that we will get lollipop by the end of next week and that it should be either 5.0.1 or 5.0.2. Thats whats taking at$t so long they are trying to polish off the problems s5 users on Verizon Sprint and international phones. So my question is Verizon just got root through lollipop so is it possible that we can also????
My assumption would be that root might take a little bit longer. Unless 5.0.1/5.0.2 are very minor I would assume getting root will change slightly. Either way though good to hear, I had read somewhere about a week or two ago that samsung was working on 5.0.1 or 5.0.2 in order to iron out the bugs that they had with when they rolled out 5.0.
Good to hear. I wanted to do more for 4.4.2 though. It will be bittersweet upgrading and getting to work on it.
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Good to hear. I wanted to do more for 4.4.2 though. It will be bittersweet upgrading and getting to work on it.
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Yo TM when did u jump to s5??
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Yo TM when did u jump to s5??
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Beginning of December
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Wow i hope everyone knows we have an awesome dev here= TALKINGMONKEYS
Looks like T-Mobile S5 is getting S5 today... AT&T is last and not sure when we get..
Shouldn't be much longer
I have the Verizon s5 and ive had 0 issues.. it seems to be hit or miss with some people.
With that being said, it did not and will not take long to root L. You will have to wait for someone to post a L rom.zip thats pre rooted, flash in SS and then odin the L kernel.
I would recommend waiting for this or for some brave sould to update ota and see if the BL is incremented or not.
For us on g900v, after taking the ota we are still able to odin down to 4.4.x and root install ss etc. but not sure if yours will.. best to play it safe and have a updated rom.zip and maintain root lol.
With that being sId, xposed doesnt work on samsung L yet and v4a and other stuff is needing a permissive kernel which im sure you guys dont have bcuz of the locked BL...
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Joehen873 said:
Just heard from a samsung worker at best buy that we will get lollipop by the end of next week and that it should be either 5.0.1 or 5.0.2. Thats whats taking at$t so long they are trying to polish off the problems s5 users on Verizon Sprint and international phones. So my question is Verizon just got root through lollipop so is it possible that we can also????
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Brining it back to the original topic; having worked at Best Buy, the folks in the Samsung area have about the same knowledge as you or I do about updates, unfortunately. There were many topics that I knew much more information about compared to them.
raynan said:
Brining it back to the original topic; having worked at Best Buy, the folks in the Samsung area have about the same knowledge as you or I do about updates, unfortunately. There were many topics that I knew much more information about compared to them.
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this is true.. at least they are rolling out to us devices tho so im sure it wont be another 6 months but cant say end of week without proof lol
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For what its worth, I use the ATT visual voicemail app and it had an update from the Play store. The description only said update for Lollipop. Hopefully its coming soon if they are updating their apps.
johnkirchner said:
For what its worth, I use the ATT visual voicemail app and it had an update from the Play store. The description only said update for Lollipop. Hopefully its coming soon if they are updating their apps.
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Not to burst a bubble, but I was excited too when I saw that, but then I realized that AT&T has other devices already running Lollipop. It wasn't necessarily for our Phone. On the play store when a developer uploads an app, it is not device specific. A Google script reads the file to determine what devices can run it. I presume AT&T can also restrict it to their devices through an agreement with Google.
For example I uploaded an app and it could run on 6000 devices. I made an update recently and it was reduced to 4000 devices. This was because I dropped support for Android 4.0 and below while adding support for 5.0.
elliwigy said:
this is true.. at least they are rolling out to us devices tho so im sure it wont be another 6 months but cant say end of week without proof lol
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hey look all i was saying is that i was told we would get it by the end of the week . My proof was word of mouth from a samsung employee so proof i dont have but we are also not trying to figure who killed jfk. And by reading your personal info you have been on here for a while so you out of everyone should know its always a rumor mill when updates are coming out especially a big one.
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hey look all i was saying is that i was told we would get it by the end of the week . My proof was word of mouth from a samsung employee so proof i dont have but we are also not trying to figure who killed jfk. And by reading your personal info you have been on here for a while so you out of everyone should know its always a rumor mill when updates are coming out especially a big one.
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which is why people dont make threads saying "Lollipop will be out by the end of the week."
The people in best buy are not Samsung employees they are most likely best buy employees certified in Samsung devices.
Many people make posts like yours and many times its not accurate.
Im sure if you call ATT (who will have more knowledge than a best buy rep) they will say there is no eta or give you a random time frame.
Samsung released a L update to carriers a while ago its up to the carrier when they push it out.
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Let's just hope ATT is taking this long to make a stable release unlike the vzw s5 lollipop release.
elliwigy said:
which is why people dont make threads saying "Lollipop will be out by the end of the week."
The people in best buy are not Samsung employees they are most likely best buy employees certified in Samsung devices.
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Actually, the Samsung Experience staff are hired by Advantage Sales and Marketing, at least in my area. Almost had a second job as one of their reps at a Best Buy but I had schedule conflicts.
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Let's just hope ATT is taking this long to make a stable release unlike the vzw s5 lollipop release.
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Doubtful unless they wait on a new build from samsung. A lot of the bugs I've seen aren't carrier related changes.
elliwigy said:
which is why people dont make threads saying "Lollipop will be out by the end of the week."
The people in best buy are not Samsung employees they are most likely best buy employees certified in Samsung devices.
Many people make posts like yours and many times its not accurate.
Im sure if you call ATT (who will have more knowledge than a best buy rep) they will say there is no eta or give you a random time frame.
Samsung released a L update to carriers a while ago its up to the carrier when they push it out.
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There's enough proof they were wrong being that its 9 days later haha. Thanks for sharing joe but it seems we wait longer.
elliwigy said:
Im sure if you call ATT (who will have more knowledge than a best buy rep) they will say there is no eta or give you a random time frame.
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Actually, calling ATT is just as useful as any other method which is just as useful as asking the person sitting next to you on the bus.
The people working the call centers are just people. They may or may not know how to use a phone. They are just read in from scripts based on your questions and responses. When they give no ETA or just a random timeframe seems to suggest there is no script in regards to the update, leaving it up to the CSR to make something up.
I used to be married to an ATT customer service rep. I used to do phone customer service for Verizon. I can tell you with 100% certainty. There is no one you can ask who can tell you the progress or intended release of any update unless the information is release from the company.
Most companies refrain from giving software update release dates because they cannot predict the stability of said update on that date.
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Let's just hope ATT is taking this long to make a stable release unlike the vzw s5 lollipop release.
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lol its been more stable than kk for most.. the bugs present for some ppl is android L bugs in general not specific to the s5 or any android device
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Actually, calling ATT is just as useful as any other method which is just as useful as asking the person sitting next to you on the bus.
The people working the call centers are just people. They may or may not know how to use a phone. They are just read in from scripts based on your questions and responses. When they give no ETA or just a random timeframe seems to suggest there is no script in regards to the update, leaving it up to the CSR to make something up.
I used to be married to an ATT customer service rep. I used to do phone customer service for Verizon. I can tell you with 100% certainty. There is no one you can ask who can tell you the progress or intended release of any update unless the information is release from the company.
Most companies refrain from giving software update release dates because they cannot predict the stability of said update on that date.
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I am a quality rep for US Cellular.. although we dont have scripts at all, associates are not suppose to make stuff up (of course they are ppl and make this mistake daily.) Of course each company is different so sad to hear att n vzw are scripted lol.
With that being said, CSRs at my work typically wont know of a release date until after its release and if they do, we cant set the expectation with customers until its readily available information such as posted on our website because dates can change.
So the right thing for a csr to do is educate the customer and let them know it is being worked out but we do not have a set date for its release.. this helps to not set a false expectation or upsetting a customer.
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Nucleartx said:
Actually, the Samsung Experience staff are hired by Advantage Sales and Marketing, at least in my area. Almost had a second job as one of their reps at a Best Buy but I had schedule conflicts.
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Yea ui agree.. they arent devs/technicians they are more sales oriented so if telling a customer itll be updated in a week means a sale im sure they use it all the time whether its valid or not lol
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talkingmonkeys said:
Doubtful unless they wait on a new build from samsung. A lot of the bugs I've seen aren't carrier related changes.
There's enough proof they were wrong being that its 9 days later haha. Thanks for sharing joe but it seems we wait longer.
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I also agree lol. most bugs are L bugs not carrier specific bugs.. i personally have had 0 bugs.
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There are many different variants released for different carriers and countries. The main difference between them are the radio bands and the pre loaded software that differs from each carrier.
Currently Samsung pay is only supported by US and Korean firmware.
If you are wandering which variant will work with your carrier http://www.willmyphonework.net/ is a good resource to use.
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I flashed WizBangSuperSomething and now I'm stuck in boot loops or I'm getting "FRP Lock" or something else has gone terribly wrong.
I'm a noob and not familiar enough with Norse Gods to know who Odin is.
How can I get my phone restored to stock to use it again?
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Added. Thanks for the tip gary.
Here's another good one. You should not drink and post.
I purchased a n920i because I thought it would give me flexibility with root, wifi tethering, and faster updates in the future. Now I'm starting to get concerned since I've learned I can't using Samsung Pay even being in the US. After to talking to some of the guys at AC, updates might actaully be slower on phones NOT from a major market. So I guess my question is, if all the phones radio works with your carrier, which model is preferable for samsung pay, root, wifi tetering, faster updates, etc?? Do any unlocked models work with Samsung Pay?
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I purchased a n920i because I thought it would give me flexibility with root, wifi tethering, and faster updates in the future. Now I'm starting to get concerned since I've learned I can't using Samsung Pay even being in the US. After to talking to some of the guys at AC, updates might actaully be slower on phones NOT from a major market. So I guess my question is, if all the phones radio works with your carrier, which model is preferable for samsung pay, root, wifi tetering, faster updates, etc?? Do any unlocked models work with Samsung Pay?
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To your question though international models usually get the fastest updates, us models for Samsung pay. Rooting and most other mods should be the same.
flash korean version with stock Philippine rom
I bought a Korean version (N920K) and would like to know if i can flash it with stock N9208 rom so that I can remove the carrier splash screen, increase sms character limit of 160, remove korean carrier pre installed software. Will this work?
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I bought a Korean version (N920K) and would like to know if i can flash it with stock N9208 rom so that I can remove the carrier splash screen, increase sms character limit of 160, remove korean carrier pre installed software. Will this work?
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I bought a note 5 (t-mobile) that was rooted, the problem is that it randomly reboots and most of the time in the middle of a call, will flashing the stock firmware fix the issue?, I was told that it will boot loop so I'm not sure if I should do it.
Thanks in advance.
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Hello everyone,
I recently purchased the SM-N9208 Duos (Taiwan gsm) Note 5. I made a stupid assumption that the dual sim version would be both cdma and gsm capable. Apparently that is not the case. My questions are: does this model have both radios inside, with one being inactive? Is it possible to root the device, and flash the radio to make it cdma compatible. My understanding is the cdma vs. Gsm is a hardware issue, but I was told some manufacturers include both radios in all models. I appreciate any help anyone can offer. I'm on Verizon, btw. When I spoke to their tech support, I was told there is no "approved" way to get the phone working on their network. He made sure to stress the approved part of the response several times, also leading me to believe it is possible.
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I don't think you can just flash a modem from a verizon model. You'll most likely just get a bootloop. There's a similar discussion going on in this thread, maybe you'll get some help from the guys over there.
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I bought a note 5 (t-mobile) that was rooted, the problem is that it randomly reboots and most of the time in the middle of a call, will flashing the stock firmware fix the issue?, I was told that it will boot loop so I'm not sure if I should do it.
Thanks in advance.
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Flashing the firmware should fix any software issues you're having. That's what I'd do.
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I don't think you can just flash a modem from a verizon model. You'll most likely just get a bootloop. There's a similar discussion going on in this thread, maybe you'll get some help from the guys over there.
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I'm pretty sure I'm **** outta luck. I'm going to end up selling it, because I can't lose my unlimited data. Sucks, too, because I love the titanium silver. Thanks for the reply, though
Jenforner said:
The bottom of my spend broke off and the rest is stuck inside.
Any ideas???
Jen
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Did you stick it in backwards? Maybe you can try to get it RMA'd.
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I don't think you can just flash a modem from a verizon model. You'll most likely just get a bootloop. There's a similar discussion going on in this thread, maybe you'll get some help from the guys over there.
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I switched providers, and I'm up and running on T-Mobile. LTE was great, until I got to my house. Now I'm losing coverage completely. I know people have said you can't put firmware from different models into this phone; however, is there a way to change the way the the phone identifies itself, making the baseband flash possible? Again, I'm very new at this (clearly), but I am having a hard time believing there is no way to change the frequency that these modems can accept. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
hi
i just recived the note 5, i had a note 3 (for 2 years) before, btw after two years I had to change the battery.
i am afraid because the with the note 5 you can't change battery like the note 3.
I wanted to ask, I can use my charger for note 3 (5.3 v 2.0 amps) to improve the battery life of the 5 notes?
enorloz said:
hi
i just recived the note 5, i had a note 3 (for 2 years) before, btw after two years I had to change the battery.
i am afraid because the with the note 5 you can't change battery like the note 3.
I wanted to ask, I can use my charger for note 3 (5.3 v 2.0 amps) to improve the battery life of the 5 notes?
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You can use that charger but I doubt it'll improve the battery life.
If you want to keep the battery healthy don't let it discharge all the way. Try to charge it more often and keep it above 30% if you can. The less you let it discharge, the more life you'll get out of if.
The note 5 also uses a li poly battery which is supposed to be more resistant to overcharge.
In saying that all lithium batteries will start to degrade after a couple of years, it's unavoidable. How much more life you get out of it remains to be seen.
Not used to samsung came from htc and more recently oppo phones is there a way to download firmware from sammobile etc to phone and update firmware without odin or in my case heimdall
Have n920i with i think singapore firmware and would rather have the Australian firmware to match my carrier

Bounty for Root Unlocked Bootloader

I'm starting a bounty for the unlocking and root of the ZTE Axon Pro, so those who are willing to pledge a donation for the developers time please post here your pledge. Hopefully this will be the start to something great for our device and reaching its full potential please post it in this thread. Please everyone spread the word we need some good helpful Devs to crack this thing, at least give us root privileges in the meantime.
I Pledge $25 for unlocked bootloader on the ZTE Axon Pro.
We would be happy with having root on our device for now so if any developer here could make that possible your time and effort is very much appreciated. Thanks to anyone in advance!!! This would be appreciated so much if anyone could help us with getting the ZTE Axon Pro Phone moving in the right direction finally.
Hopefully more people will get involved in this bounty, we have a nice phone with great potential, but with an unlocked bootloader and root this can be a really special phone. Hopefully more people will get involved because even us just getting root privileges would be a huge step in the right direction!!! This phone is to nice to be stuck in neutral for as long as its been, it has a lot of potential. If we had Root and the right Kernel, an unlocked Bootloader and Roms this would be one awesome phone with all flagship specs. Even though the Stock Rom on our device is not really that bad, in most aspects it just needs some tuned and overhauled with the right tweaks getting it running at its full potential, the good developers here on XDA could do that and make this a a really special device. Custom Roms would be amazing!!!
I really don't see how this phone has not gotten any attention, It has better specs than most phone released including the NEXUS 6P, when I bought it from my friend I thought I would come here and see that the developers here on XDA would have already have custom recoveries, and roms. The phone is designed really nice, a full aluminum body phone, a great 2.5D display at 5.5 inches - 1440 x 2560, Snapdragon 810 - Adreno 430, and 4 GB of Ram, that's nice!!! I thought I got a steal for $200. I just hope we can get some developers who will get involved and hopefully save this phone!!!
Thanks for any help!!!
HERE ARE LINKS TO ZTE WEBSITES I'M ASKING FOR EVERYONE TO ADD ANY LINKS THAT YOU KNOW OF SO WE CAN LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD IF YOU HAVE MORE LINKS ADD THEM AND I WILL PUT THEM HERE FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD SO ITS UP TO US TO TRY TO GET ZTE TO HOPEFULLY REASON WITH US AND NOT BE A CLOSED SOURCE MANUFACTURER. SO WE MUST MAKE OUR VOICE HEARD IF WE EXPECT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN, DOING NOTHING IS THE SAME AS ACCEPTING WHAT ZTE IS DOING, AND LOOK HOW THAT HAS TURNED OUT WITH EVERY UPDATE THIS DEVICE HAS RECEIVED THIS FAR. I BELIEVE THIS DEVICE COULD BE A LOT BETTER IF ZTE WOULD AT LEAST MEET THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY HALF WAY AND GIVE US OPTIONS.
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https://www.facebook.com/AxonPhone/
https://www.zteusa.com/contacts/index/
https://twitter.com/ZTE_USA
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL GET ZTE'S ATTENTION WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW HOW UNSATISFIED WE ARE ABOUT THE DEVICE THEY SOLD US ONLY TO BE LET DOWN BY CRAP UPDATES, LOCKED BOOTLOADERS THEY CANNOT DO WHAT THIS COMMUNITY COULD DO IF WE GET THAT DOOR OPEN. WE AS A WHOLE NEED TO CHANGE ZTE'S PERSPECTIVE AND ATTITUDE TOWARD THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY AND TRUE OPEN SOURCE. WE NEED AN UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT BUYING A PHONE THAT THEY CANNOT EVEN FIX WITH THEIR R&D TEAM. IF ZTE WOULD EMBRACE US THE USERS AND THE COMMUNITY WE COULD DO GREAT THINGS, THE DEVELOPERS HERE WOULD MAKE THIS PHONE A GREAT DEVICE ZTE HAS TO LET US HAVE A CHANCE WITH THIS PHONE AND THE ANDROID COMMUNITY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO COULD POSSIBLY MAKE THIS HAPPEN FROM WHAT I SEE, ZTE IS SO CLOSED OFF AND THEY WILL NEVER SUCCEED SELLING FLAGSHIP DEVICES THAT ARE CLOSED DOWN.
I'll pledge $25 also.
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I'll pledge $25 also.
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Thank you!!! We need all the help we can get because ZTE is not going to help us!!! If anyone else is looking for this phone Amazon has them Open Box - Like New Condition for around $230, in all 3 colors.
25 Views and 1 Reply? We need help from all that can to get this phone going in the right direction because right now its all downhill, unless something changes for us... I hope we don't lose this opportunity with such a good device, this could be a beast of a phone if given the chance.
I would definitely throw into the pot to get this device rooted. I have been trying since day 1 without any luck. I have reached out to ZTE, Kingroot, and a few others without any luck. At the moment I have $20 on it, but depending on the circumstances I could possibly increase the amount. Please anybody with this device, that is interested in getting it rooted at least throw a comment up, to show support.
Yes this device is a real sleeper...... people don't realized that this device has the same specs as the:
Nexus 6P
HTC M9
Oneplus 2
G4
Note Edge
I truely think that this phone will take off when the price drops.... and I think it will drop after the end of this month.
Yes this phone is pretty good and would be amazing with atleast root I can't pledge any money right now tho but I really hope it gets unlocked and root soon
I gave up on this phone months ago and I had the Lux model. As stated before the potential is off the charts but potential is useless if somebody doesn't take advantage of it.
I emailed ZTE and pretty much told them if they plan to fail in the US market they are heading in the correct direction to fail - with how they are locking down their devices and being closed source. I gave them many examples of how other manufactures such as Nexus, OnePlus, Oppo, HTC, and so on have had very good product demand for each of their devices because of what they freely do with their phones. They give the community what it wants and this sells. Anyways I don't know if they spun me some **** or not but anyways they said they had forwarded my email to their higher ups???
I plan to get on ZTE every chance I get, it was the same situation when I bought my Oppo Find 5 until the community as a whole including front page of XDA finally got through to Oppo. It was either Oppo needed to change or they would not survive in the US market being as closed down as they were. I don't think Oppo regret doing what they have done, they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves here is the US after they finally agreed to give the community what we wanted. I know that Oppo have sold more phones because they did the 180 and gave the community what we wanted, open source and unlocked bootloaders.
Hopefully we can get ZTE to do the same thing. For some reason the China phone manufacturers don't want to follow open source freedoms that apply when creating an Android device's in the US. We need as much help as we can get and if not, we need to give ZTE the negative response they have created for themselves. I know that personally I will never buy another ZTE device if this phones does not get unlocked and ZTE does not start playing by the fairness of Open Source Community we strive on here at XDA, I would like to just have a damn rooted phone, but it would be great to see what the developers could come up with creating a kernel for this beast and an unlocked bootloader to install TWRP or CWM. We bought the phone it should be our choice if we want to forfeit our warranty or whatever, at least give us the option o make our own decision that's all I want.
Hopefully we will get someone skilled enough to crack this phone, I'm sure there are people here that have worked with ZTE devices before and that can do it . I have seen almost the impossible around here there's a lot of great talent, we just need them to give this a device look. Maybe we can all pitch in and buy a really good recognized developer a ZTE Axon Pro device for themselves, that is usually what works the best in my experience because then the have the phone in their hands and can work on it freely. They are selling on Amazon right now for $230 I will throw in the $25 if we can get a developer to agree. Does that sound like a good idea to anyone else? Ive been thinking about this and it would be hard to crack this phone without having the same model phone themselves. This is how it usually gets done, we need a good developer who we can get this device to, then we may get an unlocked bootloader and kernels.
ZTE AXON PRO - $220 Used - Very Good - Item is in original, pristine packaging. Small (less than 1/4" x 1/4") cosmetic imperfection on front of item.
LINK - http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...7&sr=8-3&keywords=zte+axon+pro&condition=used
Right now we have $50 from just 2 of us so say maybe 8 or 10 more people we may have enough and a we need a helpful experienced developer and we can do this possibly, its not like were throwing hundreds of dollars out.
Yea it sucks, I also spent hours of back and forth with ZTE to finally get a answer regarding the availability of Firmware and Bootloader access. I have saved all the emails and messages they wrote me. The final one being that they would not even consider giving Bootloader access and would not release firmware. It took them about 3 weeks to finally get this info and only after pleaing that I would be looking to sell this phone if there was no possibility of ever getting full access. I even tried "troubleshooting" my phone in hopes they would send me some Firmware to flash and "fix" my so called "problem".
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So far the most encouraging news I received was from KingRoot. They are still telling me that they plan to keep working to find a method to root. KingRoot also said that if I could get more people to inquire about this model then it would speed up their drive to get it done. The last message I got from them said that their next release should be able to root the Axon A1P
I have also requested through KingRoot to add the ZTE Axon Pro - A1P to their list, hopefully they get us Axon Pro users root soon I'm really bored with nothing to customize and this is my first device ever that I could not root or install custom roms on...
I think I'm going to go give ZTE hell on every outlet they have. Twitter, Facebook, Social Media everywhere that I can...
Anyways hopefully we will at least get our devices rooted soon!!! I was thinking of getting some attention on the XDA Development section on the forums for our Axon Pro from anyone who is experienced with ZTE devices or anyone who can help us with our problems. hopefully by getting all the help we can by linking developers to this thread we will get more attention. We need a good developer or developers and I know there has been many who have cracked ZTE devices in the past I'm pretty sure the newest ZTE/Nubia Z9, Snapdragon 810 version. is unlocked or at least rooted, I'm not sure how much in difference between the devices but they are both built in ZTE's build house so hopefully someone that has working with cracking ZTE/Nubia devices before can help us.
After the marshmallow update, there's an option under the hidden developer options menu to unlock the bootloader natively. Go to settings, about phone, then tap "build number" a few times to activate developer options. You will see a notification once it's activated. Here's a screenshot, now where do I go for this bounty?
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Yea I wish that's how it worked. That's just a standard option on Marshmallow. It's for security purposes
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Yea I wish that's how it worked. That's just a standard option on Marshmallow. It's for security purposes
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Ah I see. How disappointing!
Hi every one!! I'm the new one and sorry for my poor English. ^^. I'm using Zte Axon, I'm very satisfied with it but my phone have a problem that sometimes, even frequently it restart white I do nothing. Hope someone help me! please.
I have tried factory data reset, but nothing better.
isn't that a developer option in marshmallow?
I have this same option within my settings and I have not updated my Axon Pro since I have bought it. I'm still on the older lollipop 5.1.1 build B19 and that option is in my build also. I have not updated hoping that one day we will find a possible exploit. Also all I have heard is bad things after the upgrades from the forum members. Hopefully someday we will have an exploit or root but the option to unlock the bootloader has been in the options since 5.1.1 build B19. I wish we could figure out an exploit. I have been reading up on how to root manually but I'm not a developer so hopefully we can get KingRoot or a gifted developer on board and help us with this issue.
I am selling my Lux model it is here sitting around collecting dust. I ended up buying a Galaxy 6S Edge model that was broken for 325 then had to pay 273 total to get it fixed.
Sub-Negro said:
I am selling my Lux model it is here sitting around collecting dust. I ended up buying a Galaxy 6S Edge model that was broken for 325 then had to pay 273 total to get it fixed.
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$600 That's a lot for a Galaxy 6S Edge.
They are selling a lot cheaper on Swappa.
https://swappa.com/buy/devices/samsung?search=Edge&type=phone
Any word from King root yet? I'm expecting my axon in the mail next week and first thing I'm gonna do is try and root lol
Sent from my LG-D852 using XDA-Developers mobile app
Anyone tried typing fastboot oem unlock after changing the developer option in 6.0? Maybe it is working...

Question US S21U Dual Sim

After getting two different answers from Samsung support in phone calls, they verified via Twitter message to me that the US (snapdragon) models DO NOT support dual SIM.
Apparently our eSIM is activated on the Ultra (maybe other S21-series devices as well?) but the US software won’t allow for both the nano SIM slot and the eSIM to be used at the same time.
This is really unfortunate as I’m coming back from an iPhone which I switched to solely for DSDS functionality, but I can’t stand iOS anymore.
With it likely being a software difference between the US market and international devices, does anyone here see a path forward to removing the limitation somehow?
EDIT 1/23: read conversation below. The models shipped for US market media review so far have eSIM disabled, this is contradicting the FAQ on Samsung’s website as well as communication with various support teams. If you’re looking for eSIM, continue your search elsewhere for now.
In highly doubtful the US S21 will support eSim out of the box. I have the S20 Ultra and we were also told it would have eSim, but it will be enabled in a future software update. Almost 1 year later and still nothing.
Honestly a joke considering both Google and Apple have it working for many of their devices by now. Don't understand what the problem is
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In highly doubtful the US S21 will support eSim out of the box. I have the S20 Ultra and we were also told it would have eSim, but it will be enabled in a future software update. Almost 1 year later and still nothing.
Honestly a joke considering both Google and Apple have it working for many of their devices by now. Don't understand what the problem is
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Hopefully that representative is right, considering its right smack dab in the middle of US Samsung site stating it has eSim, we'll only know next week
i asked tmobile anf they said they are single sim. samsung told me the US unlocked is duasl sim, but i dont beliebve it.
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i asked tmobile anf they said they are single sim. samsung told me the US unlocked is duasl sim, but i dont beliebve it.
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I’ve had far too many conversations about it with Samsung reps at this point - different answer each time. I don’t understand why no one knows what’s going on with the new phones as they’re actively selling them
My International version has dual sim + eSIM enabled.
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My International version has dual sim + eSIM enabled.
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What’s your model number?
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What’s your model number?
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SM-G998B/DS
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SM-G998B/DS
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Ah. Yeah anything ending in “/DS” is gonna be dual SIM, but we don’t get those in the US.
BTW, it is 4G+5G. Still no dual 5G.
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Ah. Yeah anything ending in “/DS” is gonna be dual SIM, but we don’t get those in the US.
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Ohh really? I didn't know about that. Samsung is really picky when it comes to these kind of features.
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Ohh really? I didn't know about that. Samsung is really picky when it comes to these kind of features.
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Yup. And I’m not sure if we’ll ever find out why. Unfortunately, they’re not picky about what they train their representatives to say about our phones here. I’ve heard them say every possible SIM configuration for the same model number and it seems that no one has a confident answer.
It’s gonna be interesting when we see people unboxing their devices and finding out they were told it has something that it actually doesn’t... It’s the S20 SIM confusion all over again.
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Yup. And I’m not sure if we’ll ever find out why. Unfortunately, they’re not picky about what they train their representatives to say about our phones here. I’ve heard them say every possible SIM configuration for the same model number and it seems that no one has a confident answer.
It’s gonna be interesting when we see people unboxing their devices and finding out they were told it has something that it actually doesn’t... It’s the S20 SIM confusion all over again.
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I just bought S20 FE earlier this year. They advertised that it has 4x4 LTE MIMO. After unboxing, Turns out it isn't enable for my country. Was pissed off about it. They never give a clear answer on these kinds of stuff.
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I just bought S20 FE earlier this year. They advertised that it has 4x4 LTE MIMO. After unboxing, Turns out it isn't enable for my country. Was pissed off about it. They never give a clear answer on these kinds of stuff.
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Legal discussion isn’t loved on XDA, but the way I see it, Samsung is really playing with fire by doing this so much. Especially in the US.
People are becoming much more aware of their tactics surrounding the preorder advertising.
PC Magazine review confirms no eSIM for USA. Samsung disabled it.
We tested the unlocked U model, destined for the US. The U model has a single SIM slot, a Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, disabled e-SIM functionality, and all the appropriate bands for US 5G networks, including millimeter-wave.
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VICosPhi said:
PC Magazine review confirms no eSIM for USA. Samsung disabled it.
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*longest sigh ever*
VICosPhi said:
PC Magazine review confirms no eSIM for USA. Samsung disabled it.
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So only Snapdragon and dual sim version are only korea version. Seem 998U or 998U1 still don´t support it
I'm going to save all my screenshots of their US FAQ page that says the phone has esim and give them hell for it afterwards. Totally ridiculous if they advertise it so publicly and lie to everyone again
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I'm going to save all my screenshots of their US FAQ page that says the phone has esim and give them hell for it afterwards. Totally ridiculous if they advertise it so publicly and lie to everyone again
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You could even file a chargeback with your credit card for this and put item not as described.

Question Custom ROM activity

Hey all,
Why is there not much custom ROM activity for the s21? Used to have an s10+ and that had half dozen or more choices.
I would attempt myself if I had time but just curious.
Cheers
There is a few for exynos model
From my observations it is related to device price. More it costs, less users want to play with it.
Personally for me this is my first not rooted device in my life. Just because of one UI. It has just right amount of customization to keep me satisfied.
Also Samsung provides pretty ok software support.
To conclude - there are no good reasons to spend time on development. Only thing that comes to my mind - if you want less bloat, tracking, etc. But in such case imho Samsung is a bad choice and you should go with something else.
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From my observations it is related to device price. More it costs, less users want to play with it.
Personally for me this is my first not rooted device in my life. Just because of one UI. It has just right amount of customization to keep me satisfied.
Also Samsung provides pretty ok software support.
To conclude - there are no good reasons to spend time on development. Only thing that comes to my mind - if you want less bloat, tracking, etc. But in such case imho Samsung is a bad choice and you should go with something else.
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, there are various ways to get rid of some of the bloat anyway if you're too inclined to get rid of them.
Yeah I'd say mostly it's due to how highly customisable the Android OS and One UI is these days. I unlocked my bootloader and rooted my S21 Ultra but I ended up locking the bootloader and going back to stock again.
Major issues
- knox - you can't revert to lock state so no matter what happe your pricey toy is useless and not repearable
- lack of drivers - camera etc.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Major issues
- knox - you can't revert to lock state so no matter what happe your pricey toy is useless and not repearable
- lack of drivers - camera etc.
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i re-locked my bootloader, thats all that matters and these days samsung have still repaired phones that have been rooted and had their bootloaders locked again.
Thanks everyone for your feedback.
I admit its a pricey phone which is why I've been put off doing it, I've nearly always installed custom roms mainly for root access and customisation options.
I manage stock unrooted to block ads using AdGuard which does a really good job, and use nova launcher for customisation which sort of keeps me happy, along with working Google pay and bank app and the s21 ultra is pretty customisable.
Root used to be good to backup using titanium.
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i re-locked my bootloader, thats all that matters and these days samsung have still repaired phones that have been rooted and had their bootloaders locked again.
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You want to tell me that samsung fix phones with tripped knox? Good one.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
You want to tell me that samsung fix phones with tripped knox? Good one.
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Yes. In fact somebody from here on XDA had theirs repaired.
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Yes. In fact somebody from here on XDA had theirs repaired.
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Sorry but without a proof it is a fairytale. They always check knox status, unless this was single occasion as someone did not follow official checks.
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Sorry but without a proof it is a fairytale. They always check knox status, unless this was single occasion as someone did not follow official checks.
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Find the proof yourself i dont need to justify myself to you
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Find the proof yourself i dont need to justify myself to you
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Well in this case it is pointless to have this conversation with you, if you even cannot find a proof for you statement.
Im sure i could find it if i looked, but like i said i dont have to justify myself to you. I know that you have very little idea what you're talking about and thats the exact reason i dont bother. If you want to expand your knowledge look into it a bit for yourself.
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Sorry but without a proof it is a fairytale. They always check knox status, unless this was single occasion as someone did not follow official checks.
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I can bet it was the case. We're talking about humans. I work with several repair companies, to provide warranty for the products i sell from different brands. And you know, people are always being hired everywhere. There's always that new guy that messed up and didn't follow the protocol.
I guess you need to be lucky to get your phone in the hands of the new guy
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Im sure i could find it if i looked, but like i said i dont have to justify myself to you. I know that you have very little idea what you're talking about and thats the exact reason i dont bother. If you want to expand your knowledge look into it a bit for yourself.
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Sure I am just stupid man
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Would you like to add anything to above sir? Maybe I have "very little knowledge" but at least now we can verify it quickly
amithiel said:
I can bet it was the case. We're talking about humans. I work with several repair companies, to provide warranty for the products i sell from different brands. And you know, people are always being hired everywhere. There's always that new guy that messed up and didn't follow the protocol.
I guess you need to be lucky to get your phone in the hands of the new guy
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This is something that I can agree in 100%, in UK samsung does not fix their phones, they have few comapnies who does that for them, and those companies check knox status, why? Becuase they will not get money back from Samsungfor fixing a phone that was nod under warranty - simple.
If someone mad a mistake, forgot etc to check it I get it but spreading false info is not good for anyone.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Sure I am just stupid man
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Would you like to add anything to above sir? Maybe I have "very little knowledge" but at least now we can verify it quickly
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joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Sure I am just stupid man
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Well at the risk of exposing your lack of proficiency with the English language, I will add that being covered under warranty is totally different to having the device repaired by Samsung. The word warranty was never used by myself, and in fact was never used by you either.
GeeAyeZee said:
Well at the risk of exposing your lack of proficiency with the English language, I will add that being covered under warranty is totally different to having the device repaired by Samsung. The word warranty was never used by myself, and in fact was never used by you either.
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Oh so now my English is not ok, nice. I didn't mentioned about warranty as it was obvious, at least for others... You can always pay for repair, even if you intentionaly hit it with a hammer and this is common knowledge. You didn't say that you paid for repair either.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Oh so now my English is not ok, nice. I didn't mentioned about warranty as it was obvious, at least for others... You can always pay for repair, even if you intentionaly hit it with a hammer and this is common knowledge. You didn't say that you paid for repair either.
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Because i didnt get any repairs. I dont know who these "others" are but people only know what is written and/or told to them. Again, ive already wasted too much time on you so move on with your life and i shall do the same.

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