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One Marshmallow user's impressions

http://tomhorsley.com/rants/doze-mode.html
I'm definitely reverting back to 5.1.1 when I get the time and energy to fool with it .

sounds like that was written by someone who hasn't even tried marshmallow yet. I have yet to experience any missed notifications, alarms or any issues relating to time in any way. If some apps are being affected by this then its a sign to the developer to fix their ****ty code because all of my apps relating to time at all have been working just fine and alot of them are still the same version they were on lollipop. Doze has improved my batter significantly. It sounds like this article was probably written by a developer who cant code properly and instead of improving his skills he'd rather complain and convince everyone to stay away from updates because he is unwilling to evolve. Even the article looks like it was written in paint...

I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.

That author seems to think that Marshmallow's Doze is a horrible thing that breaks all apps that rely on background services, namely alarms and notifications, and couldn't possibly be fixed in 10 years (rather than a few months) due to Google's horrible mistake (rather than devs not fixing their code).
Frankly, it sounds like a bunch of hyperbole.
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He's wrong about how doze works. And if he's in the camp that doesn't understand it nor wants to rewrite his app. Then yeh he's the idiot group that Google is targeting and was writing garbage code anyway.

lol complete nonsense, my alarm has worked everyday since i flashed M, even on dev previews...the only issues i have with M are really the "slow to connect wifi when using toggles" and the weird wifi consumption on battery stats

Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.

Kustaa said:
I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.
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This actually happened with me a couple of days back, I was travelling, so I put my phone connected to a power bank and went for a nap, woke up to see phone switched off, switching it on throws me a 2nd September date set on my device. Had to manually set the date as no network was available to automatically set the date from servers.
Ubichinon said:
Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.
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This I had been noticing these days just because of WhatsApp Web. When in standby, WhatsApp Web shows phone not connected error. Just waking the phone reconnects to the WiFi, but happens every 30-40mins.

I have a feeling that folks who never see these problems have their phones charging at night and doze mode doesn't happen when you are charging. I have no convenient way to charge my phone near my bed, so it is not charging and totally idle all night. Email and messaging completely stops. Only the stock alarm clock works. My medication reminder stops working. It might as well be turned off completely. Plus when you do wake up and turn on the phone, all the pent up alerts come through and scare the hell out of you. I hate doze mode.

Settings -> Battery -> ... (menu)-> Battery Optimization --> All apps --> Select whatsapp, etc... and select not optimized.
Test again.
You're welcome.

I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.

Claghorn said:
I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.
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This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.

Dennis de Swart said:
This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.
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A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5

Achilles. said:
A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Thanks, I will look into that. I'd like to keep Mashmallow as a whole if possible. I think it is a good update in general.

OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?

Claghorn said:
OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?
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I will look into this over the weekend. I find it odd that there isn't simply a switch to turn Doze off, which is a pity. It seems to me it's part of saving energy in general. A switch under Battery would do nicely. It should not be this complicated. That said, I think the UI of Marshmallow is silky smooth, much better than Lollipop. Marshmallow in general in good. It' just this that annoys me.

i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.
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I get the feeling Google assumes the customer is a developer. A few examples:
- The Nexus 5 does have a notification light: I didn't know until I read 5 reviews and even then I couldn't find any documentation on it. Needed an external app to get it working.
- Battery indicator: I like to have small numbers indicating battery charge: it could be done by hacking KitKat and Lollipop I think. Then at Marshmallow finally there's a (hidden) switch.
- I don't recall having any user guide in the Nexus 5 package. Not that I needed one. But some landing page doing a walkthrough would have been nice. Although there are some walkthroughs in every app
Not fatal flaws, but you wonder why does it need to be that difficult. It scares people away. Not me. I handed the Nexus 5 to some friends on numerous occasions and most found it too "empty". As for me, I want all developer stuff on. So it suprised me, there is no Doze fine tuning. Again, overall I give the Nexus a 8 or 9 out of 10. It fits me. In general I like it. So it's just constructive criticism. The empty layout and raw speed of the Nexus 5 works good in development of apps afterall.

Last night I ran an adb command (generated by the doze mode editor app) to set inactive_to to 24 hours (86400000 milliseconds). I then set an alarm for the next morning in the "Alarm Clock Plus" app (which completely ceased to function after Marshmallow showed up). This morning, the alarm actually went off on time, but the big "Dismiss" button it draws on the screen was totally non-functional. I had to hit the power button to get control (which then caused a popup saying alarm clock plus was non-responsive). I have no idea what caused all that behavior, but at least the alarm actually went off.
Also, with doze mode essentially disabled (in theory anyway), the power dropped from 100% in the evening all the way down to 97% in the morning.

With the exception to facebook and game type apps, Google's apps are the only ones I find that excessively waste resourxes and need to be forced to sleep. If they would get off the constant location polling, media scanning, and logging or at least tone it down a bit some they wouldnt need to implement thier half baked versions of solutions that they hijacked from xda devs

auto closing high power usage apps bug?

Does anyone experience any problems with this setting on 4.1.3? On my phone if i switch it off it sometimes switches itself back on. It also seems to close down apps without notifying me. They are just greyed out and cannot be cleared or removed. (Podcast republic and swipe). Those two apps are also the reason i want it switched off as they stop functioning properly if on.
It seems to be linked to the power saving auto rotate switch-off bug as it tends to happen most of the time when the auto rotate isn't switched on again when i charge the phone. Anyone else experiencing this?
Phone is not rooted and run on stock rom

Lol everybody learning how to set up the new power savers that the development community has been using since the days of ics.
1st problem sounds like you ambient display enabled which will turn on your phone every time you receive some sort of notification. To fix this simply go into your settings, display and turn off ambient display and don't get it confused with adaptive brightness.
2nd problem to me sounds like you have aggressive doze mode active on all your apps or auto close high power apps. To fix this just go to settings, battery, click the 3 dots next to the refresh symbol near the top right corner, click aggressive doze..., if it's turned on make sure the slider is not enabled next to the apps you desire, hit the back button, click on the 3 dots top right corner again, click on high power usage apps, turn it off if it's on.
These battery savers in the Android os are basically hacked and slashed from development on xda. Greenify did most of these functions alone then if you were to mash greenify with power nap you basically got yourself aggressive doze with closing of high usage apps.
Sadly Google is still behind the curve as the power saver app on my Asus Zenfone 2 does a better job at saving power on lollipop because in addition to hibernating and closing apps it allowed you to turn off networks allowing only phone, sms, and alarm to work after the device is asleep and enabled upon waking or you could do super saving which did the same thing except the network stays disabled the whole time boosting standby time from 92 hrs to 105 hrs
Seriously though the best course of action here if this does not help you is to contact the developer of the app and tell them the issues your having, your device and a detailed log report and you will see better results faster because it's probably just an incompatibility​ due to the new os as apps always have issues with fresh out of the gate os systems and your might not be the only person with this issue but you just might be the only person to point it out for a long time.
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i snort flour said:
Lol everybody learning how to set up the new power savers that the development community has been using since the days of ics.
1st problem sounds like you ambient display enabled which will turn on your phone every time you receive some sort of notification. To fix this simply go into your settings, display and turn off ambient display and don't get it confused with adaptive brightness.
2nd problem to me sounds like you have aggressive doze mode active on all your apps or auto close high power apps. To fix this just go to settings, battery, click the 3 dots next to the refresh symbol near the top right corner, click aggressive doze..., if it's turned on make sure the slider is not enabled next to the apps you desire, hit the back button, click on the 3 dots top right corner again, click on high power usage apps, turn it off if it's on.
These battery savers in the Android os are basically hacked and slashed from development on xda. Greenify did most of these functions alone then if you were to mash greenify with power nap you basically got yourself aggressive doze with closing of high usage apps.
Sadly Google is still behind the curve as the power saver app on my Asus Zenfone 2 does a better job at saving power on lollipop because in addition to hibernating and closing apps it allowed you to turn off networks allowing only phone, sms, and alarm to work after the device is asleep and enabled upon waking or you could do super saving which did the same thing except the network stays disabled the whole time boosting standby time from 92 hrs to 105 hrs
Seriously though the best course of action here if this does not help you is to contact the developer of the app and tell them the issues your having, your device and a detailed log report and you will see better results faster because it's probably just an incompatibility​ due to the new os as apps always have issues with fresh out of the gate os systems and your might not be the only person with this issue but you just might be the only person to point it out for a long time.
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Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.

Eggstones said:
Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.
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Grab a catlog off of the play store they are fairly simple to figure out and they are free. I can't remember for sure but I believe I liked logcat the best as it provided a better ui with a more detailed and easier to read log.
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Eggstones said:
Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.
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That's weird that it keeps turning back on hopefully it's not a hardware issue. Most likely due to a rogue incompatible app. Also if you haven't already done so check for an update and make sure you have the latest version and if that don't work the last thing I could think of to try would be to download the latest update and put it on your phone somewhere you can remember, reboot into recovery and erase your cache and perform a factory reset followed by another cache wipe just to be sure. Then select install update from zip file, navigate to it's directory and open it, allow it install the update and after it completely has finished booting don't use it but keep the screen from turning off for about 2 minutes
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Sorry I can't be of more help to you but I just got my phone today and I'm on the oos 4.1.3 and mine is doing just fine so far but I don't sync mail, push notifications, or use any social media which drain your battery like a hooker with your bank account. So far I'm at 10+ hrs uptime with 4 hrs of sot sitting at 66% battery life with an estimated 20 hrs left.
hope you find your problem or at least know where you got take your issue to which will be discovered in your cat log so you will know if it's the apps, kernels, os or hardware that is to blame and be able to address it to the proper source.
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Background processes killing. Is it problematic for you?

Reading this https://dontkillmyapp.com/oneplus I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
For instance, I've been using for several years this app, Stay Alive: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synetics.stay.alive
It gives you the option of having the screen not turning itself off when charging. It's crucial in the car, where I have a dock mounted and use the phone for navigation, music playback, etc.
On my previous Nexus 6P the app worked flawlessly. With 6T sometimes the screen turns off and then it turn itself on once more, as if the process got killed and then restarted.
I have the "don't optimize" option activated for Stay Alive.
There are other strange behaviours I'm seeing, with Tasker for instance. And the nagging feeling that they might depend on background process handling at the OS level.
I recently did turn off Battery/Battery Optimisation/Advanced Optimisation/Deep Optimisation and Sleep standby optimisation, hoping to get better results. I still haven't reached a conclusion about it.
I have to say that it's pretty annoying to have the phone decide for you what should be happening for apps. For instance, I had Firefox in the "Don't optimize" category but it still had problems with opening new pages after a while. Turning off the above two options seems to have cured the problem but if that is needed I wonder what the heck "Don't optimise" mean for OnePlus.
I hope to get to the bottom of this as, quite frankly, not having the phone "act on his own" behind the scenes is exactly why I chose Android as my OS.

gorman42 said:
Reading this https://dontkillmyapp.com/oneplus I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
For instance, I've been using for several years this app, Stay Alive: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synetics.stay.alive
It gives you the option of having the screen not turning itself off when charging. It's crucial in the car, where I have a dock mounted and use the phone for navigation, music playback, etc.
On my previous Nexus 6P the app worked flawlessly. With 6T sometimes the screen turns off and then it turn itself on once more, as if the process got killed and then restarted.
I have the "don't optimize" option activated for Stay Alive.
There are other strange behaviours I'm seeing, with Tasker for instance. And the nagging feeling that they might depend on background process handling at the OS level.
I recently did turn off Battery/Battery Optimisation/Advanced Optimisation/Deep Optimisation and Sleep standby optimisation, hoping to get better results. I still haven't reached a conclusion about it.
I have to say that it's pretty annoying to have the phone decides for you what should be happening for apps. For instance, I had Firefox in the "Don't optimize" category but it still had problems with opening new pages after a while. Turning off the above two options seems to have cured the problem but if that is needed I wonder what the heck "Don't optimise" mean for OnePlus.
I hope to get to the bottom of this as, quite frankly, not having the phone "act on his own" behind the scenes is exactly why I chose Android as my OS.
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Thank you for this.
I've been feeling stupid having all these issues of pass getting killed in the background.
For me proper working phone is more important than battery life. I can easily get one whole day 6AM-11PM with around 30% battery left.
I would be ok if the apps won't get killed and I have say, 10% battery left at the end of the day.

I also don't understand this, it's what I really dislike about the OnePlus phones. In earlier Android versions it was always adviced not to use app killers because the Android OS knows best when to kill an app. Now OnePlus is doing exactly this, and then call it an optimization... [emoji848]
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?

rmaathuis said:
I also don't understand this, it's what I really dislike about the OnePlus phones. In earlier Android versions it was always adviced not to use app killers because the Android OS knows best when to kill an app. Now OnePlus is doing exactly this, and then call it an optimization... [emoji848]
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?
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I want to say you're right but it's not only OnePlus that has too aggressive background killing. Google put optimization into Android a couple of years ago and they can't seem to hit a perfect medium between both. I'm sick of switching apps and then going back into an app a couple of minutes later to just have to start at the top of the feed again. It's annoying and it's happened with my 6t, Moto z, Droid turbo, lg g4, and my Galaxy s6 when they were all in their "prime". I think it boils down to Google ultimately

Turn off adaptive battery and on your apps you absolutely want untouched selectDon't optimize under battery > battery optimizations. After doing that I have what is consider a normal experience.

rmaathuis said:
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?
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Yes, I am. But the screen dims. It doesn't turn off but it dims. For in car navigation that is clearly undesired.
I wonder whether rooting would give me back the control I need through some third party modification...

Aridon said:
Turn off adaptive battery and on your apps you absolutely want untouched selectDon't optimize under battery > battery optimizations. After doing that I have what is consider a normal experience.
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But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.

Whats solitions.
İ open accebility settings for any app and closed automatical..
Whyy
I'm sorry for my bad english

gorman42 said:
But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.
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You find solitions ?
I'm sorry for my bad english

gorman42 said:
But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.
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What most of the times work for for me is open the app, then go to recent app management, click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner above the app and choose lock.
And thanks for the tip of this app, because of company policy "stay awake" was disabled on my device and this app overrides it (Earlier I tried 2 or 3 similar apps but they didn't work, this one does).

gorman42 said:
I wonder whether rooting would give me back the control I need through some third party modification...
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You really shouldn't have to modify your phone to, by chance, fix what OnePlus did (same could be said about other OEMs too, but that's besides the point right now). OnePlus needs to fix this issue, which has been an ongoing thing in their ROMs for over two years.
It's a shame that it takes a few app devs getting bad reviews on their apps to come up with a website pointing out the offenders of aggressive app management, with OnePlus being number 2 on the list for this issue to pick up traction, despite numerous users reporting about it on their forum and via in-app feedback for so long.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Compared to OxygenOS on the 3T, OxygenOS nowadays has become so nice to use on the 6T that I don't have a need to root anymore. It's just this issue that really hampers it.

I fell in love with OnePlus when I bought my very first OnePlus phone, the OnePlus 3T. I've since then owned the OnePlus 5T and 6T. Unfortunately I've been disappointed with both because of this specific issue. If they don't resolve this issue within the lifetime of my 6T I feel obligated to start looking for something other than a OnePlus phone next Such a shame, as I love everything else about OnePlus and OxygenOS.

While investigating this I stumbled upon a setting in Developer Options.
Here’s the description and explanation: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-android-pie-standby-apps/
Problem is, with 6T all apps are stuck to ACTIVE status, you can’t modify their status. I guess this could point to OnePlus messing with regular Android power management.

gorman42 said:
While investigating this I stumbled upon a setting in Developer Options.
Here’s the description and explanation: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-android-pie-standby-apps/
Problem is, with 6T all apps are stuck to ACTIVE status, you can’t modify their status. I guess this could point to OnePlus messing with regular Android power management.
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Are you sure you can't modify the settings, I've tried it and let's me change as per the link you posted?
I agree with you guys the app management is pretty aggressive.

wilpang said:
Are you sure you can't modify the settings, I've tried it and let's me change as per the link you posted?
I agree with you guys the app management is pretty aggressive.
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Yeah, I tried before writing here.
It happens when you disable Adaptive Battery. If Adaptive Battery is enabled, those settings are active.

I have the same issues with several apps (Tasker, Gravity Screen, Whatsapo (Web)...). The apps was running perfectly on my old lg g4 but on the OPO 6T they gets killed too often. Also disabled adaptive Battery and set those apps to dont optimize. But this doesnt helps....
In previous OOS on the 5T there was an setting for background apps count in developer options, this is sadly gone on our 6T. Is there a way to use this option also when removed from dev options?
(maybe editing some files).
Thx
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Yes this is very unfortunate.. sometimes I even miss calls and they straight to voicemail

gorman42 said:
Reading this I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
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Yes, it is a problem for me. Never had a phone with such aggressive battery management. It even periodically kills my wifi for no reason.

There are 3 settings under Settings > Battery:
1. Battery Saver
2. Battery optimization
3. Adaptive Battery
I have been able to get a somewhat 'normal' experience after turning all 3 options off for Whatsapp, Tasker, etc... For some programs, it seems that it needs to be started, and left running without closing the program in 'Recentd's..
I am rooted and use Greenify to close programs that I want killed when in the background..

@gorman42
Why do you need this staying-alive app?
Google Maps and Waze already make the device's screen stay awake while navigating...

Deactivate power saving

Maybe you guys can help me, because the P30 Pro is driving me nuts. How on earth do I get it to stop saving power?! If I wanted a phone that only does single tasking and isn't able to do anything in the background, I'd get a Nokia 3210.
For example: I'm listening to music in the car. Then I pause the music playback via my in car controls. After a few minutes I want to continue, so I press play. What happens? Nothing. The music app stopped running, because Huawei thought it is absolutely necessary to achieve 2 days of battery life. Here's a trick for you if you want to achieve that: Turn off the phone! I'd rather have half a day than something that is this useless. It gets worse. I use an app to warn me about speed cameras. Well, it doesn't work on the P30 Pro. Because even when I go to the settings and go to the app, then details about battery usage, and then tell it to continue running in the background... the app doesn't get any GPS information in the background. Which is bad enough to begin with. It NEEDS to run in the foreground. As soon as it is in the background... IF it even keeps running, because it usually doesn't, despite me telling it to... no GPS, no function. I'm also using a GPS Logger for my photography. Guess what: Doesn't work on the P30 Pro. Because the app just won't run in the background. I've even set the phone to the power mode. Jup, doesn't help.
What. The. Hell.
How can anyone live with this sort of insane "optimization"? If Huawei had ONE place where we can RELIABLY tell it which apps to keep running in the background, and maybe a setting where it just doesn't optimize at all, then great. But this...?
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Ok, so I did find ANOTHER setting, well hidden, under Apps, then Apps, then the three dots, special access, battery optimization, then select all apps. And THEN are you able to AGAIN tell it not to optimize. Why is this so hidden? And why aren't users, like, warned? Normally, you can reasonably expect your apps to run in the background. And you can rely on it. If the phone does not want to behave that way, tell me. Then I can say if I want this behavior or not.
Ok, some more testing, and... some apps just won't keep running in the background. They just won't. Any ideas? They work on other phones. I've never had a phone they didn't. But the P30 Pro... no chance. Screen goes off or I go to a different app... and goodbye.

you can read it here, its for mate20pro, but it works for p30 aswell
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-pro/themes/remove-powergenie-to-allow-background-t3890409

Cool, thank you.
I did try a bit further, and without changing anything else, it looks like after a couple of restarts and some more attempts of running the apps in the background, the phone is starting to behave. Still no final verdict, but it's getting better. If it's still too annoying, I'll try the Power Genie thing.

Disabling Power genie has finally fixed my Softphone problem. it finally keeps running in the background to receive my business numbers.

Question Always On Display turns off after an hour or so.

Hey All.
I have always used AOD as a night clock whilst its charging vertically.
But with this phone the AOD always goes off after about an hour.
Which sort of defeats the point of the feature really.
the setting is set to ALLDAY aswell.
is this a fault or is this how it is with phone.

stuatrb04 said:
Hey All.
I have always used AOD as a night clock whilst its charging vertically.
But with this phone the AOD always goes off after about an hour.
Which sort of defeats the point of the feature really.
the setting is set to ALLDAY aswell.
is this a fault or is this how it is with phone.
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chinese version?

brunolongo said:
chinese version?
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nah uk

Possibly power management of some type shutting it down?
I use to think always on AOD was a darling... now I only use tap on.
Lol, I sort of like how yours behaves; it waits for you to go to sleep.

blackhawk said:
Possibly power management of some type shutting it down?
I use to think always on AOD was a darling... now I only use tap on.
Lol, I sort of like how yours behaves; it waits for you to go to sleep.
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pretty sure i have looked at most settings that could possibly effect this.
maybe its just the way it is.
it kinda bugs me at night when i wake up disorientated not knowing the time.
always something i have been used to with previous phones.

stuatrb04 said:
pretty sure i have looked at most settings that could possibly effect this.
maybe its just the way it is.
it kinda bugs me at night when i wake up disorientated not knowing the time.
always something i have been used to with previous phones.
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I hear you. Best to ignore the phone and sleep.
Always being "connected" detrimental to your wellbeing. Quiet time is very underrated.
Lots of power management settings scattered throughout the phone, usually.
Check to see if global power management is running first: Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active. It can't be disabled here though.
Check each apk being used for AOD. Make sure they have needed permissions and that battery saving isn't checked.
Disable any power management including Android, 3rd party, carrier or manufacturer ones.
Try in Safe mode.
Clear system cache and AOD data.
Make sure screen lock isn't interfering with AOD.
With a factory reset even if it works the issue will likely reoccur. Exception is if a 3rd party app altered user hidden settings, this can and does occasionally happen with poorly written apps. Sometimes only after you uninstall them
Play with it, find the root cause... fun isn't it?

blackhawk said:
I hear you. Best to ignore the phone and sleep.
Always being "connected" detrimental to your wellbeing. Quiet time is very underrated.
Lots of power management settings scattered throughout the phone, usually.
Check to see if global power management is running first: Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active. It can't be disabled here though.
Check each apk being used for AOD. Make sure they have needed permissions and that battery saving isn't checked.
Disable any power management including Android, 3rd party, carrier or manufacturer ones.
Try in Safe mode.
Clear system cache and AOD data.
Make sure screen lock isn't interfering with AOD.
With a factory reset even if it works the issue will likely reoccur. Exception is if a 3rd party app altered user hidden settings, this can and does occasionally happen with poorly written apps. Sometimes only after you uninstall them
Play with it, find the root cause... fun isn't it?
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ah some things there that i havent tried.
will play around and report back.
yea the joys of android!!!

stuatrb04 said:
ah some things there that i havent tried.
will play around and report back.
yea the joys of android!!!
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Feels good when you track it down.
I've tracked (and caused, oops) a few bizarre ones down
Stock Androids are generally very robust platforms.

Lately I have had a Oneplus 9, Oneplus 9 Pro and a Oneplus 10 Pro. In all of them, from Android version 12 (it also happens in 13), what is said here happens (AOD turns off at night even if it is programmed so that it is always active).
From what I see here, either it is a bug that has been introduced since the Oneplus and Oppo software were unified, or it is a crap that Google has put in Android since version 12 that there is no way to fix Because I've been trying things for a long time and reading in forums and websites and no solution to this problem is found anywhere.
For those of us who use our mobile phones as a nightstand clock, it is a great disappointment.

dtvenom said:
Lately I have had a Oneplus 9, Oneplus 9 Pro and a Oneplus 10 Pro. In all of them, from Android version 12 (it also happens in 13), what is said here happens (AOD turns off at night even if it is programmed so that it is always active).
From what I see here, either it is a bug that has been introduced since the Oneplus and Oppo software were unified, or it is a crap that Google has put in Android since version 12 that there is no way to fix Because I've been trying things for a long time and reading in forums and websites and no solution to this problem is found anywhere.
For those of us who use our mobile phones as a nightstand clock, it is a great disappointment.
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Welcome to XDA.
Tap on works fine for me and uses less battery. Constantly looking at the time when you should be sleeping is counterproductive and a bad habit to get into. For me the novelty wore off after about a year as I find it now annoying.

It's the same on OnePlus 8T, Oxygen OS 13. At least after midnight, maybe earlier, the screen turns black with AOD always on after roughly 25-30 minutes if non use. Double tap or more activates it again.
It's broken for people who is working nights and/or is awake and active after midnight.
There's gotta be a setting fixing this through root or adb shell.