I'm wondering if any people here have also tried the P30.
I'm trying to decide between the two. I want a headphone jack and card reader so I can't go up to the Plus. I also think that 6.1in is at the high end of what is acceptable for size for me. (I currently have a Z5 compact 4.6in phone).
The night mode is very impressive on the P30 but the S10 is not bad either. I've read that the colors on the P30 can be off but I think that color can usually be fixed much more easily than trying to add missing detail (which is impossible)
I do require an unlockable rootable phone. I want to be able to use apps like adaway, titanium backup, etc. More importantly, the ability to root has allowed me to keep my phone much longer with custom ROMs and security updates. It sounds like I can just buy a snapdragon version from china.
For the rest, display, performance, I think it is close enough for me.
I'd appreciate any insights/recommendations. It is hard to decide.
Since it's unknown what's gonna happen to huawei in the future I would recommend you not to buy any huawei device
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Since it's unknown what's gonna happen to huawei in the future I would recommend you not to buy any huawei device
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As it looks like the current issues only affects future huawei devices and I'm not looking to buy a future device (just a current one) there should be no affect. While this is somewhat of a factor, I'm trying to compare the phone based on their merits first
I have an S10+ and P30 Pro. My thoughts:
Camera- Under normal conditions, the P30 Pro has the POTENTIAL to take better shots than the S10. That being said, the S10 takes good shots more consistently than the P30 Pro. However, the P30 Pro takes better night shots when using night mode, no question.
Battery life- My P30 Pro overall has better battery life than my S10+, but that's because the screen resolution is lower, and EMUI has a habit of being too aggressive when keeping apps in "sleep" mode. I often miss notifications because of it.
Screen- The P30 Pro has a good screen, but the S10+ wins hands down. No surprise there.
Sound- For whatever reason, Huawei decided to go with a single down firing speaker this time around, versus the stereo speakers on the P20 Pro. Because of that, the sound on the S10 is leaps and bounds better.
Thanks. For the camera, how is the p30 sometimes worse? Is it easily fixable? Is this because the auto to mode works better on the s10? For night mode a have you noticed any color issues? If so, is it easily fixable?
Are you using the snapdragon version of the s10?
Hi man.
Here is what I have experienced and owned.
I had a P20 Pro 1 year. Wow, my better device in my life. Short story, I give it to my girlfriend and needed a new cellphone.
I bought P30 and have it for one week. Wonderful camera and battery. But all the rest was bad.... : bad speaker, bad audio call, no water resist,, etc.
I finally bought S10, and I'm very happy with it. All is better, except battery life and camera.
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And don't forget that Huawei has that stupid proprietary NM card slot, which for me is next to unusable.
I just went from P20 pro to S10. I miss the battery on the huawei device but i had been 6 months without a security update (thanks huawei/ee!). P20 pro camera night mode is astonishing. The Ai forthe camera consistently led to greens that were too green and blues that were too blue. Plus loss of some texture. You needed to be a camera expert to get a properly good photo with the P20 pro. The lower res screen is probably how the battery was so efficient, but EMUI would ax google play music mid-song while i was running and frustrate the hell out of me, plus it killed PoGo every few minutes, especially if i tabbed away from the app to another app. Apart from the battery, the S10 is a drastic improvement across the board.
No wireless charging on the P30 which is dealbreaker for me
I had a p30 pro, now on a s10 exynos due to an insurance claim. I chose the s10 due to concerns about huawei's future and also to try the s10.
As others have said, the p30 pro camera is stunning, but not without it's flaws.
Specifically, by camera:
- The p30 pro wide angle camera is sharper and more detailed than the s10's wide angle camera in good light. Despite being the same f2.2, in low light, the s10 camera is less smeary and holds the colours better. The raw files from the p30 pro hold up well to sharpening and exposure tweaks. I'm quite impressed with the edge to edge sharpness of the p30 pro wide angle in bright light, while not a Canon 17-40mm L series it was impressively sharp. Whereas the s10 wide angle does get blurry nearer the edges in a more obvious way, and can be distracting for architecture or foliage.
- The main RYYB camera on the p30 pro has incredible detail in good light and reasonable detail in low light. The 40mp raw dng files (which are typically 80mb in size) have a lot of latitude to work with in lightroom, and the 10mp jpgs are good. The AI sense is quite clever and can often give pleasing jpg images, however I found it over sharpened at times.
The portrait modes are clever and more automatic than on the s10. The background blur is also more convincing, even though my p30 pro had the old firmware before the time of flight sensor was activated.
However the RYYB sensor still feels beta. The colours are often wrong in jpgs (although apparently the latest v162 firmware has improved this), and the raw files in lightroom need significant work to avoid weird purple or green tints. It took me a lot of time to build up a lightroom profile that handled the raw files with the right colour modifications.
It's a very capable sensor with lots of potential and the ability to far out resolve the s10 camera, but can let you down with poor colour rendition.
Lastly on this one the jpgs from the p30 pro were often a bit darker than I would prefer, so I tended to boost exposure by 0.3 to 0.7. The s10 is spot on.
- The 5x zoom on the p30 pro in my opinion is a bit wasted. I found it to be a fun toy but a 3x zoom would be more practical for general day to day or travel photography. After all, when was the last time you bought a 125mm prime lens for your camera? Never? Whereas a 75mm would be more common.
The 5x zoom on the p30 pro is lower resolution than the 2x zoom on the s10, although obviously the focal length is so different it's hard to compare directly in terms of detail. The colour rendition between the two is similar. I found the 8mp raw files on the p30 pro 5x zoom to be a bit dull but easy to boost, and they were reasonably sharp. The s10's 2x zoom seems to give more pleasing jpg images straight from camera. Again, I found the 5x zoom to be a bit of a gimmick. 3x would be my preference.
Overall, I thought the p30 pro had more potential, and the ability to shoot dng raw with all three cameras gives more creative freedom. I liked that the main camera shoots 10mp jpgs and 40mp raw simultaneously, so the jpg is easy to share, but you have the full raw file still.
The portrait mode on the p30 pro was seriously was impressive with convincing fake bokeh and I can't get the s10 to do anything close in live focus. The p30 pro made it easy.
The s10 wins for dependability of colour rendition and jpgs out of camera that are generally more pleasing. If you've had an s8, the main camera of the s10 is similar with slightly better detail.
If the software upgrades for the p30 pro improve the colour rendition then that would be a winner.
I liked the frequent software updates from huawei and I hope that continues for P30 Pro owners.
Other notes -
The battery life on the p30 pro was incredible. I was blown away. Yes the screen is 1080p, but I run the s10 in the same resolution so that's not a factor in battery comparisons for me. The p30 pro seemed to last forever.
The screen on the p30 pro is duller than the s10 but it's not bad. People would have you believe 1080p is a huge sin, but it's not noticeable in daily use.
The notch on the p30 pro was better in the middle. The cut out on the s10 still bugs me, it makes the status bar so fat.
I liked huawei's launcher, and for the first phone in a long time I stuck with the stock launcher and didn't install nova, it was that good. I'm back to nova on the s10.
Nm format is daft. But the p30 pro had 256gb storage so didn't bother me.
I found I missed the headphone port being absent on the p30 pro, despite having Bluetooth headphones at work and for running, and a Bluetooth speaker at home and Bluetooth in the car. Somehow, that 3.5mm jack is still useful. I missed it most when travelling overseas and I couldn't use the same wired headphones as for my iPad. 16 hour flight plus flights either side = wired and not needing to charge is handy.
The p30 pro seemed to have a very fast modem. I noticed 4g to seem faster than on Samsung phones when tethering or downloading on the phone, however I failed to do any speed tests to prove this.
The in screen fingerprint reader is faster on the p30 pro, although I understand a software update is out in some regions for the s10 that speeds it up.
I didn't like the power and volume keys on the same side for the p30. I never got my muscle memory down pat for which key was what.
The s10 feels more polished while the p30 pro has more cool tech and potential, and both devices are certainly great camera phones. Either one will give the owner much happiness if you can enjoy the strengths and not let the faults annoy you, knowing every other camera phone also has faults.
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I noticed the NM slot. I figured that I can just buy a NM card to replace my current microSD. I usually leave it in the phone. I guess there is a slight annoyance that I'd need an adapter if I wanted to directly read it on my computer.
As for battery, I wonder how the P30 (non-pro) compares to the S10 (snapdragon instead of ex). I thought the snapdragon was supposed to be more energy efficient.
I think the cameras in the pro are the same or similar to the non-pro. (ie 3X vs 5X zoom) so I'll assume your description applies to both. For me, any camera I've used has always given pretty good photos during the day in good lighting. I've always struggled with lower lighting or night photos. That is why I'm focusing so much on this.
It sounds like the consensus is that when used in auto mode without editing, the S10 gives better looking photos. However, with post-processing and editing, the P30 photos are better (especially night mode). If I have to spend hours to manually edit each photo one by one, I think that may be a deal breaker. If I can feed all my photo through a batch processing (ideally via an app vs copying to the computer), then I don't have an issue with that. I typically never do any fancy filters to my photos (ie. bokeh) other than fixing the dynamic range. Currently on my phone, I open up each one in google photos and click AUTO and about 90% end up looking better so that has been my process. I find that quite annoying and which I could batch it. I use Open Camera with DRO setting as my main camera.
AS for everything else, it sounds like the P30 is more "buggy" than the S10. Though, I usually use the MFR rom with Nova for a while then try to run something simpler like Lineage.
Does that sound like an accurate summary?
Now that leads to another question. For the S10 and P30, are all the camera features exposed in the camera API? If I use another app (ie. Google Camera, Open Camera, A Better Camera), will it be able to do everything the MFR camera can do? (ie. Night mode, switching between cameras, etc)
I wish there was somewhere in the US I could try out the P30 phone.
P30 camera
Here's a P30 Pro DNG/RAW example from the main camera for those interested.
This is a 40mp DNG file processed to taste in Lightroom, just showing a 1024px thumbnail as an overview.
This is a 100% crop of that image in Lightroom.
The full 40mp DNG file is here if you want to download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn4azasueiudc58/IMG_20190519_141152.dng?dl=0
Lightroom profile for processing is attached.
You don't happen to have the same photos taken with the S10 do you?
do you use the lightroom app or the PC app
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You don't happen to have the same photos taken with the S10 do you?
do you use the lightroom app or the PC app
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I could do a comparison of the same photo on both - generally the S10 is better JPGs, less room on the RAW. The P30 Pro needs the RAW to be processed to make it better than the S10, and it definitely has potential to be better.
I'm intrigued to know what the v162 firmware for the P30 Pro will do, it is supposed to fix the white balance issues by the camera. v153 firmware improved the fake bokeh on the P30 Pro. There is also a S10 firmware update that is supposed to improve the fake bokeh on the S10 so you can use the 2x zoom lens. The P30 Pro already lets you do fake bokeh at 1x, 2x, 3x (edit: I previously said wide, standard and zoom, which wasn't correct).
I use Lightroom on the PC only. The Lighroom Mobile app is clever but clunky. As a note, the camera mode in the Lightroom app doesn't support the 3 cameras on the P30 Pro or the S10.
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Fake bokeh comparison. Click on thumbnails for full image. Both unedited, straight out of camera. (Neither gives you a DNG/RAW file for fake bokeh modes.)
There is some minor difference in framing between the images.
In my view, the P30 Pro has better exposure and smoothness of fake bokeh. with a more pleasing image..
The S10 is dull and the bokeh not as pronounced, but more accurate. The S10 is closer to what the true life colours really were.
S10 exynos main camera ASD5 firmware:
P30 Pro main camera v153 firmware:
I wont give as detailed comparisons as the posts before, but if my simple personal opinions help any one then i,m glad to type them.
I always have two active phones. i have an s10 standard and a p30 non pro. i think its important to compare the two rather than a p30 pro vs a s10 or a p30 vs an s10+
i bought the s10 g973 first. It was bigger than any galaxy i have owned and i have had every one since the s2. its larger to the point where i don't feel comfortable texting and driving (i know i shouldn't, but i do constantly and will never stop). if you have long fingers it shouldn't be a problem.
The screen on the s10 beautiful. its quite an improvement even over the s9. i cant stand the camera on right hand side screen, or the way pie moved the clock to the left of the screen. on the p30 the camera is dead center, and i use the builtin software to black out the sides, its not noticeable at all and is far superior to the s10.
i have always rooted my phones and tablets. I must have owned a couple dozen devices over the last 5 years and never thought i could use anything unrooted. development on the s10 has been slow because of new security built in,but it has been picking up where its pretty simple to root, add twrp, back up/restore, and custom roms are coming out. None of it was like what we have seen in the past on Samsung phones but it seems like its just a matter of time.
i ended up buying a p30 as my second line, but i am now using it as my main phone. the size of it is just perfect for me. its wider, but thinner and shorter. It feels much smaller in the hand. I run the screen at 2340*1080 which isn't really a noticeable difference from the 3340*1440 of the s10 (even with the s10's higher dpi) because the size difference.
i dont play around with the cameras too much as i'm not a photographer, but in regular use the p30 is far superior than the s10. The s10 has made some improvements adding nite mode in its latest upgrade, but there still is no comparison... p30 all the way on the camera.
not having root on the p30 sucks, but its not as bad as i thought it could be, especially because the development (though picking up) has been very slow on the s10. if the p30 was rooted right now i wouldn't even touch my s10. i just like it that much better.
some of the negatives not being rooted..i am using adguard on the p30, its ok, but it isnt as reliable as adaway, though its easier to pause when something is blocked that you don't want blocked. The p30 has some built in options for black mode like its email client that work very well, but its not the same as being able to use substratum. i usually keep everything i can blacked out (not just a grayed out dark mode which i find ugly)
the battery is probably the biggest difference. Huawei devices have remarkable battery life. I know this from experience from the 2 huawei tablets and mate 10 i own. i was worried about not having wireless charging, but even unrooted, without greenify or built in optimizations in custom roms, its the best battery life i have had on any phone.
people have had trouble adjusting to emui, it may because i was used to it on the tablets i own. but i actually like it. hauwei has some things like AOD that i couldn't live without. they may may not be as refined as Samsung's with their color coding of messages, but its good enuf to over look. and the p30 has some features that surprised me after using samsung so long that samsung doesnt have like copying the tracking number only from a text or phone number from a missed call to search for them.
i have to think that the p30 will get rooted eventually after funkyhuawei or dc lounlocker is able to provide unlock codes for the bootloader.
i am pretty sure that john wu has found a way to get magisk to work on emui 9 and once the bootloader is unlocked the p30 will be rootable. hopefully its before i am ready to move onto a new phone, but i am sticking with the p30 for now.
Well I've never used EMUI so I dont really know how it differs from samsung's equiv. Generally, I use nova launcher so it overrides alot of it. My most common apps are maps, gmail, voice, camera, gallery so I don't typically use the apps provided through a specific skin. So I'm not too sure what affect it really has. I'm using lineage now on my current phone so I assume EMUI or samsungs thing will all just be "bloat" unless I find something truly useful.
I think if the P30 had an active root right now then I'd be much more inclined to go with the P30. Also if there were more activity on the P30 forum vs this one
As for the battery, I assume both are comparable and will be better than my current phone. It is hard to find a comparison of the SNAPDRAGON S10 and the P30.
As for the camera, I typically dont do any fancy shots like bokeh. I just want a shot with good lighting and color really. I have lightroom and use it sometimes, but if I have to go through hundreds of photos one by one just to get them on par with the S10, then that is a deal breaker for me . If the photos generally all have the same issues, and I just need to run a batch job, then that's acceptable for me. Obviously it would be ideal if the photos were good to begin with. I know future software updates COULD improve things, but I've heard that too many times to count on it.
I wish there were a B&M store that had P30's in the US so I could actually hold it in my hand and look at it.
I like to buy the best photo phone - is P30 Pro for me?
I don't care for nothing like NFC and so on....
HELLO
Do You think P30 Pro is now the best photo making phone?
Is it also the best video making phone? Cause in videos Samsung tand to be the king here
I have Samsung Galaxy S8, will I be happy with:
1) photos of P30 Pro
2) videos of P30 Pro
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How about the world situation with Huawei Phones?
I don't know anything about it. Shall I be calm and go head buy the phone?
S10+ makes worse pics than P30Pro in my opinion
Ive had this phone for over two weeks. I think the photo quality is good in most conditions. Then again I'm coming from a oneplus 6t. As for video the Sony xperia 1 seems to be the best gathered from reviews. I would say this is the best vetsitile camera. Low light conditions and 10x zoom no other phone can compare. Day to day shot this phone has impressed me. For me personally I bought this phone for battery life and camera and the fact performance is just as good if not better then top flagships
Photo quality is great, but battery life is amazing
I came from a S9+ and honestly... In a overall situation, I think that my old phone took better pics with the GCam app... The sharpness was higher, especially from pics of people.
In video, I also prefer the Samsung. When I try to record a video, the focus is in the most of time searching for a focal point, even if is in it face!
Isn't that P30 PRO is a bad phone, but in overall I prefer the S9+ with GCam.
You can only record videos in 4k 30 FPS which is a bummer. If you want the best video making phone, I'd suggest LG V40 or V50 (V40 has a limit of like 10 minutes in 4k 60FPS, not sure about the V50 though). Otherwise you can wait for the upcoming Mate 30 and Mate 30 Pro. Those phones should have 4K60FPS recording.
As for photos, the P30 can definitely take some amazing pics and has a great night mode (although it doesn't work for selfies like Pixel's Night Sight. Just a small thing to note.)
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I came from a S9+ and honestly... In a overall situation, I think that my old phone took better pics with the GCam app... The sharpness was higher, especially from pics of people.
In video, I also prefer the Samsung. When I try to record a video, the focus is in the most of time searching for a focal point, even if is in it face!
Isn't that P30 PRO is a bad phone, but in overall I prefer the S9+ with GCam.
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GCam is truly magical, I wish it was possible to port it for Kirin devices.
Im a mate20x owner but i can that all Huawei phones are extremely inconsistencd when it comes to taking photos. I think the main issue is the discrepancy between the viewfinder and the final photos. Most of the the times the picture will have diffferent exposure than the viewfinder and that will introduce tons of issues when taking point and shoot photos.
Also, the skin tones is really bad and seems to target Asian audience, i wish there was a way to edit them like similar to selfies.
Tldr, highly inconsistent software that you cant depend on when taking point and shoot photos.
Hi everyone ...
Well I always wanted the P30 pro and after all the mess happing I went bought the S10 plus so I had an offer to exchange mine with a 256gb 2y warranty P30 pro, and I was almost doing it till I came here and saw camera score for the P30 pro much lower than the S10 plus and made me go back .
My love for the p30 pro is the camera so after seeing the scores here I was disappointed and wanted to know if anyone have any experience with these 2 devices ....
Thanks alot
Hi,
Just do it! I did it last week with my S10+ and I really love the P30 pro!
I'm gonna tell you right now, if your one of those people following DXO mark scores...just stop! The P30 Pro beats the S10 plus in image quality no doubt about it. Video is doubtful tho. If your after better image quality, get the P30 Pro. Easy decision.
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I'm gonna tell you right now, if your one of those people following DXO mark scores...just stop! The P30 Pro beats the S10 plus in image quality no doubt about it. Video is doubtful tho. If your after better image quality, get the P30 Pro. Easy decision.
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I am not into video maybe few but not that much. But for me it's all about photos. But then they say benchmark score s10 way better screen too and saw or they r saying camera has green tone to it . And finally HDR in camera is worst than S10 but I really love the phone ... that's why need opinion cos dont wanna rush and regret though I love it from my p20 pro .
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I am not into video maybe few but not that much. But for me it's all about photos. But then they say benchmark score s10 way better screen too and saw or they r saying camera has green tone to it . And finally HDR in camera is worst than S10 but I really love the phone ... that's why need opinion cos dont wanna rush and regret though I love it from my p20 pro .
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You gotta stop worrying about benchmark scores and numbers and just get the user experience yourself. The benchmarks mean nothing in day to day performance. Every camera will have some sort of tone to it, especially in low light. I don't think you'll regret it for a second to be honest.
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You gotta stop worrying about benchmark scores and numbers and just get the user experience yourself. The benchmarks mean nothing in day to day performance. Every camera will have some sort of tone to it, especially in low light. I don't think you'll regret it for a second to be honest.
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Ya just saw it in the shop and woow the camera really saw big diff same shot with both phones and mine felt like a 2017 model . Thanks alot gonna be changing
Hi first bought a p30 pro, I then exchange it for a s10plus and after a day or two I wanted my p30 pro back. I almost had to beg the guy to please swapped back. Huawei in my opinion is miles away ahead of Samsung currently.
My wife did the same as you. She was Samsung all her life but wanted the p30 pro after seeing my pictures. At the last minute she got a Samsung s10 plus. She likes it but she does concede that the p30 pro camera is miles ahead.
For what it's worth I've always found that the Samsung cameras are given far more credit than they deserve.
Almost as if because they're so popular their scores are boosted so sites and publications don't lose their traffic.
As said before the s10 beats it in video but that's because the p30 pro is pretty damn basic when it comes to video.
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I am not into video maybe few but not that much. But for me it's all about photos. But then they say benchmark score s10 way better screen too and saw or they r saying camera has green tone to it . And finally HDR in camera is worst than S10 but I really love the phone ... that's why need opinion cos dont wanna rush and regret though I love it from my p20 pro .
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Both phones are pretty much on par in terms of image quality. Buy the P30 Pro if you really want the 5x optical zoom. Buy the S10 if you want better video, better slomo, better app, and prob gcam support.
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Both phones are pretty much on par in terms of image quality.
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Disagree somewhat there.
Only on par in bright outdoor conditions. Anything else and the p30 pro wins with stills.
Had them both, and a few times, as I am very unstable when it comes to phones ). P30 Pro is better in image quality, worse in videos, like all before me already said. The photos are sharper and more attractive and saturated, with punchy colors and eyecatching clarity. The zoom is impecable. If you want the photos to look like the ones from S10Plus, then when you open the Camera app, see above the option to take Standard photos, not Vivid. And they will look almost like the ones from S10 plus. Other than this, P30 Pro wins at battery life, charging speed. S10 Plus wins with the interface (One UI) and Screen quality. Also videos.
Found this review yesterday, their results conclude that the P30 Lite wins for selfie pics, P30 wins for normal daylight pics, and P30 Pro for low light
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawe...vs-Huawei-P30-vs-Huawei-P30-Pro.421447.0.html
Only thing p30 pro is better (in minimum aspects) is the camera and battery life. All the others points s10 plus is far away better. Screen, construction, thickness, sound, ultra Sonic fingerprint, one ui, heart rate sensor and a bunch of other stuffs.
I did the same thing lol ,I sold my s10plus and get p30 pro. S10PLUS battery life not what I expect , finger unlock no good and easy getting warm.
I am using p30 pro for four months now very satisfied. But don't get me worng s10plus still a amazing phone. I miss 3.5 mm phone jack and sd card slot
Why not have both?!
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Thanks all of you..
Well today I made the switch...
And I am happy I did...
Yes S10+ has better screen but that didn't bother me as p30 pro screen is still good.
Fingerprint felt p30 pro much much better than Samsung.. In Samsung lots of times need to press twice and few times 3 times.. It was really annoying for me! In the p30 pro till now didn't had to try twice it always unlock fro first try...
Can't say about video camera cos I don't care about video but photos felt p30 pro way much better even in day light there was much detail in the p30 pro all was in auto setting. And the bokeh in p30 pro way much better than s10+..
I don't know why here in xda on the s10+ page camera score is higher than p30 pro.. That what made me step back on buying it.
Speakers maybe not that loud but they are good and in screen speaker also great...
Now I don't have my s10+ anymore but I'll compare it with my brothers note 9 camera but I know p30 pro will beat it esally...
Once again thank you all for the feedback...
IRL i found image quality of photos better on p30 pro and definatly in low light. The thing is video quality is slightly better on the S10(+) and it has more options (4k60).