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Snapdragon S4 Thermal Comparison and Butter Benchmark

Ironic that the Nexus 4 has thermal problems when Qualcomm seems particularly proud of the low temps of the S4 chip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSD_EhgGSc

It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days

XxStatiX said:
It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.

dynamicpda said:
I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.
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Yeah man i'm pretty confident too.
This one's should be a beast.
And at this price,we shouldnt complain too much :silly:

XxStatiX said:
It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Throttling only happens in graphics benchmarks!!!!!
When you play games the GPU is fast enought reach the vsznc limit (60fps) without any problems which means the GPU isn't fully stressed and won't throttle .
And besides even when throttled the Adreno is still 2x faster then tegra 3 or mali-400mp in some benchmarks.
That beeing said I'm pretty confident that this problem will be fixed either by LG/Qualcomm themselves or by the great devs in this forum (undervolting, raising the temperature the GPU starts to throttle)

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Source ?
Отправлено с моего GT-I9300 через Tapatalk

Disregard

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Says who?
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how will we know when they have a hardware revision? how long does that usually take?

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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USSENTERNCC1701E said:
I think you may have taken a joke out of context.
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Oh, well there it on the reddit post
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/

My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.

XxStatiX said:
My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.
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https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves

IINexusII said:
its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves
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The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.

wurzelsepp3 said:
The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.
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ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative

Do we know it has thermal issues? I've seen no proof and only speculation.....
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ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative
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I dunno my GS2 got really hot around the camera area, so boiling I had to get a case for it lol.

WTF :silly:
1- this s4 dual core = less heating
2- yeah the dumbest thing ever compering 28Nm cpu with 40Nm cpu

I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.

Brac20 said:
I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.
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The basic point is that it does happen. Which it shouldn't. Perhaps the problem is indeed that they set the max temp too low (60c). Only time will tell.

Samsung Galaxy S5 Snapdragon vs. Exynos Antutu X test with video

Here you go, I made a quick video for Antutu X Benchmark between both devices ( Snap and Exynos )
Lets guess which device ( which CPU ) on left and right while watching this clip and then you have your answer.
Video was captured with an iphone 5 ( YEAH I know, Samsung is gonna be p*ssed LOL ).
Enjoy!

That answers my question somewhat, so the 5422 has a slight edge on the first benchmark, yet lost the second ,making it 1 to 1, but the s801 finished the test first on both testes.
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Are all 8 cores running on the 5422 version?

Wow, you really have both version?
Please make full comparison especially speed/tw , battery and camera.
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BoneXDA said:
Are all 8 cores running on the 5422 version?
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I dont think so. Maybe the 64 bit will
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copualt3 said:
That answers my question somewhat, so the 5422 has a slight edge on the first benchmark, yet lost the second ,making it 1 to 1, but the s801 finished the test first on both testes.
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The 5422 in general i felt very very smooth. major problem is still there: its hot!
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leoaudio13 said:
I dont think so. Maybe the 64 bit will
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Interesting... in Barcelona Samsung announced that the 5422 will support Heterogeneous Multi Processing allowing all 8 cores to run if necessary. The Note 3 Neo's 5260 can run all 6, so the S5 5422 may need an update, or benchmark tools need it, what do you think, @AndreiLux?

BoneXDA said:
Interesting... in Barcelona Samsung announced that the 5422 will support Heterogeneous Multi Processing allowing all 8 cores to run if necessary. The Note 3 Neo's 5260 can run all 6, so the S5 5422 may need an update, or benchmark tools need it, what do you think, @AndreiLux?
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I got a chance to played with it for half a day but its damn hot while running bench. not so sure if it ran with all eight cores at once. Gotta check again 2mo. But imo, the Exynos is very smooth. But the camera on Exynos version is not so good. Dont know why Even i took a few shots and compare with the LG G2, the G2 beats it with much better quality
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leoaudio13 said:
I got a chance to played with it for half a day but its damn hot while running bench. not so sure if it ran with all eight cores at once. Gotta check again 2mo. But imo, the Exynos is very smooth. But the camera on Exynos version is not so good. Dont know why Even i took a few shots and compare with the LG G2, the G2 beats it with much better quality
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So you say the camera on the Exynos is better?
Also how about the headphone sound quality, any differences, if so which sounds better

BoneXDA said:
Interesting... in Barcelona Samsung announced that the 5422 will support Heterogeneous Multi Processing allowing all 8 cores to run if necessary. The Note 3 Neo's 5260 can run all 6, so the S5 5422 may need an update, or benchmark tools need it, what do you think, @AndreiLux?
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It's running HMP...

AndreiLux said:
It's running HMP...
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Hi sir,
Then are you gonna support it...I mean Exynos ver. Now its prefect to add your tweaks in it
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Right now honestly HMP seems a bit far-fetched. Most app developers don't even use more than 1 thread for their apps. Waste of battery imo.

AndreiLux said:
It's running HMP...
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Thank you Andrei! So can it run all 8 cores right now, does it depend on Samsung or the apps?

degast said:
Right now honestly HMP seems a bit far-fetched. Most app developers don't even use more than 1 thread for their apps. Waste of battery imo.
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The point of HMP is load balancing between the cores. It still has advantages even in low threaded apps. The cores are powered off when not doing anything.
BoneXDA said:
Thank you Andrei! So can it run all 8 cores right now, does it depend on Samsung or the apps?
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It depends on nothing specifically. If load is sufficiently high and threaded it'll use all 8.
I think Antutu is finishing the tests slower than the Snapdragon because it's dispatching twice the threads and doing twice the work, it would score higher if it actually didn't do that.
And no I'm not getting it, the S5 will be outdated in a few months.

AndreiLux said:
The point of HMP is load balancing between the cores. It still has advantages even in low threaded apps. The cores are powered off when not doing anything.
It depends on nothing specifically. If load is sufficiently high and threaded it'll use all 8.
I think Antutu is finishing the tests slower than the Snapdragon because it's dispatching twice the threads and doing twice the work, it would score higher if it actually didn't do that.
And no I'm not getting it, the S5 will be outdated in a few months.
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Its coming up for real, the F
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AndreiLux said:
The point of HMP is load balancing between the cores. It still has advantages even in low threaded apps. The cores are powered off when not doing anything.
It depends on nothing specifically. If load is sufficiently high and threaded it'll use all 8.
I think Antutu is finishing the tests slower than the Snapdragon because it's dispatching twice the threads and doing twice the work, it would score higher if it actually didn't do that.
And no I'm not getting it, the S5 will be outdated in a few months.
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I also found that the HMP wherether its running or not, its not so right. Even though its very smooth, but well, its not so different from the 801 version. Also its HOT. I just felt its incompleted
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leoaudio13 said:
I also found that the HMP wherether its running or not, its not so right. Even though its very smooth, but well, its not so different from the 801 version. Also its HOT. I just felt its incompleted
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Depends on the thermal throttling settings between the two, Samsung changed the limits several times on both versions of the S4 so expect the same to happen here.

AndreiLux said:
Depends on the thermal throttling settings between the two, Samsung changed the limits several times on both versions of the S4 so expect the same to happen here.
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Probably we have to wait for S6 for the HMP to mature also we'll for your support as well Andrei :good:

leoaudio13 said:
Its coming up for real, the F
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You mean the Galaxy F?
This could be it I think: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/04/03/samsung-sm-g906s-with-qhd-2560x1440-screen-appears-in-benchmark/

0mega007 said:
So you say the camera on the Exynos is better?
Also how about the headphone sound quality, any differences, if so which sounds better
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No, the same for both models really. Sound quality is the same, still Samsung quality. But both have AptX so it wont be a big problem Both external speakers are the same, 1 word: shjt! I wish the speakers werent in the back

Note 4 N910F Best Antutu Score

Hy , today i just instaled lollipop 5.0.1 firmware , and am very happy with this new base from samsung ! Here are a few images of my antutu performance ! :fingers-crossed:

ManDone.vRs said:
Hy , today i just instaled lollipop 5.0.1 firmware , and am very happy with this new base from samsung ! Here are a few images of my antutu performance ! :fingers-crossed:
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thats amazing and strange.. On my 910C Antutu lost 7-8k (from 51k to 43k)
P.S. clean install, no root, all annoying services off

Kniazkoff said:
thats amazing and strange.. On my 910C Antutu lost 7-8k (from 51k to 43k)
P.S. clean install, no root, all annoying services off
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Im getting around 55k with 910c after update scores increased.

Kniazkoff said:
thats amazing and strange.. On my 910C Antutu lost 7-8k (from 51k to 43k)
P.S. clean install, no root, all annoying services off
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You must have your power saving mode turned on mistakenly...check. I know this 43k score on 910C on LP comes under power saver option. If not then give device a restart and let it cool for 15 mins and run Antutu
I am getting 54k every time on room temp that is 25 degree Celsius and 55k+ on cooler device outside at 18 degree Celsius

YEA NUMBERS !! MORE NUMBERS !! that mean NOTHING

tmac31 said:
Im getting around 55k with 910c after update scores increased.
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midreestaj said:
You must have your power saving mode turned on mistakenly...check. I know this 43k score on 910C on LP comes under power saver option. If not then give device a restart and let it cool for 15 mins and run Antutu
I am getting 54k every time on room temp that is 25 degree Celsius and 55k+ on cooler device outside at 18 degree Celsius
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no. power saving is off. Restarts doesn't help, reflashing stock 5.0 doesn't help too. Antutu just gave me 42 998

midreestaj said:
You must have your power saving mode turned on mistakenly...check. I know this 43k score on 910C on LP comes under power saver option. If not then give device a restart and let it cool for 15 mins and run Antutu
I am getting 54k every time on room temp that is 25 degree Celsius and 55k+ on cooler device outside at 18 degree Celsius
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Same here. I know they don't mean anything, but here are a couple of screenshots.

CheesyNutz said:
YEA NUMBERS !! MORE NUMBERS !! that mean NOTHING
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This^
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Benchmarks count for nothing, nada, not a thing in the real world.
Never been sure why people are obsessed by benchmark score, @ OP wanna enlighten us?

Bench scores are not reliable, yes. However let me tell you it is a good indicator of when there is a problem. This guy here with a 43000 score has a problem with his phone. I many times was able to detect issues by these scores. It kind of like your car, when you gas milage starts going down you know theres an issue. Again I do understand the unreliablity of them but it is not how people here say, that its like pulling a slot machine and ya get what ya get. There is some real scoring here. I can tweak my ram or cpu and watch the score go up. Now does it mean that cuz one guy gets 49,000 and another breaks 50,000 that the 49 guy should return his phone. Absolutely not. But to say those scores mean absolutely nothing I have to disagree.

And it is laggy as hell like KitKat..

radicalisto said:
This^
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Benchmarks count for nothing, nada, not a thing in the real world.
Never been sure why people are obsessed by benchmark score, @ OP wanna enlighten us?
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Antutu means nothing, others benchmarks means a lot.

remixtech said:
And it is laggy as hell like KitKat..
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It works superb on Lollipop as it worked on kitkat, you sure you did a clean install at least?

I got the same problem
N910C on 4.4.4 50k
N910C on 5.0.1 42k
... i just flashed the newest BL + Modem and let the phone cool down before doing next benchmark....
Running WanamLite XXU1BOB4 V2.0 on my N910C and i did a dirty Flash.

Ashatar said:
It works superb on Lollipop as it worked on kitkat, you sure you did a clean install at least?
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Yes new install fresh! I emphasis sorry. The lag when you click the current app is still present 1sec and the scroll isn't fluid as all.
My friend nexus 5 is more snappier. Maybe it will be better in next release but I really doubt.

remixtech said:
Yes new install fresh! I emphasis sorry. The lag when you click the current app is still present 1sec and the scroll isn't fluid as all.
My friend nexus 5 is more snappier. Maybe it will be better in next release but I really doubt.
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That really is strange, mine works great, even though I didn't do a full wipe before and after the install..

Look at 3D Graphics, i've lost 50% of performance with Lollipop, same on Multitasking (less 2000 points), i've made more than 5 benchmarks, colder, hotter, doesn't matter, everytime gives me this results...

ozal86 said:
I got the same problem
N910C on 4.4.4 50k
N910C on 5.0.1 42k
... i just flashed the newest BL + Modem and let the phone cool down before doing next benchmark....
Running WanamLite XXU1BOB4 V2.0 on my N910C and i did a dirty Flash.
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I did two things and my Score is now on 52215. I didnt know which one was the real solution.
1st: I updated Bootloader and Modem to BOB4 (im using Wanam)
2nd: I went to Energy Saving Options Menü --> Activated Energy Saving Switch--> Deactivated CPU Limitation --> Deactivated Energy Saving switch
Voila! Let me know if any of this tips helped you and give me a thanks.
Here are my Screenshots

ozal86 said:
I did two things and my Score is now on 52215. I didnt know which one was the real solution.
1st: I updated Bootloader and Modem to BOB4 (im using Wanam)
2nd: I went to Energy Saving Options Menü --> Activated Energy Saving Switch--> Deactivated CPU Limitation --> Deactivated Energy Saving switch
Voila! Let me know if any of this tips helped you and give me a thanks.
Here are my Screenshots
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Could you upload these files (Bootloadr and Modem) in another mirror ? mega daily limit can't allow me to download because i've already downloaded the Wanan ROM..

ozal86 said:
I did two things and my Score is now on 52215. I didnt know which one was the real solution.
1st: I updated Bootloader and Modem to BOB4 (im using Wanam)
2nd: I went to Energy Saving Options Menü --> Activated Energy Saving Switch--> Deactivated CPU Limitation --> Deactivated Energy Saving switch
Voila! Let me know if any of this tips helped you and give me a thanks.
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This worked, thanks

heres my antutu benchmark with KK on 910U using encryption.

Question Scrolling Stuttering on One UI Beta 4 (SD Variant)

Be warned. Beta 4 is pretty bad.
There are scrolling lags and battery drain problem.
It's going back between 60 hz & 120 Hz which was not the case in previous build.
IceUniverse also confirmed this:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456487412851527691
Thanks to Amirage for bringing it up.
Also has been reported on Samsung Members:
Beta 4
For me I feel this has been the worst update thus far. The battery is draining faster and the lag when scrolling is bad. Beta 3 was way better.
us.community.samsung.com

Are you on exynos or SD variant?

amirage said:
Are you on exynos or SD variant?
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SD variant here. Just cleared cache but the lags still existed

It was highlighted by Iceuniverse too...so seems to be SD issue but will have to wait for exynos dudes to report here as well

amirage said:
It was highlighted by Iceuniverse too...so seems to be SD issue but will have to wait for exynos dudes to report here as well
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Thanks for confirming. I thought I broke my phone lol! Anything else you noticed about the new build?

Sky33 said:
SD variant here. Just cleared cache but the lags still existed
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Did you update the system?

Pieceshita said:
Did you update the system?
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What do you mean by updating system?

Question Oneplus 10 pro Overheating

Hi all,
I got my oneplus 10 pro. I use it for two weeks already and the device getting overheating very fast. Even if I use navigation, when I'm changing and more.
Can you recommend what I can do to solve it? My device getting really hot

dudu2683 said:
Hi all,
I got my oneplus 10 pro. I use it for two weeks already and the device getting overheating very fast. Even if I use navigation, when I'm changing and more.
Can you recommend what I can do to solve it? My device getting really hot
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Turn off QHD if you're using it..
Lighten the load on what you're using .

dudu2683 said:
Hi all,
I got my oneplus 10 pro. I use it for two weeks already and the device getting overheating very fast. Even if I use navigation, when I'm changing and more. mepco bill
Can you recommend what I can do to solve it? My device getting really hot
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Same thing happening with me, dont why these days all devices are overheating...

joshmah said:
Same thing happening with me, dont why these days all devices are overheating...
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Mines really cool even when gaming

delete post pls wrong thread

metrixx02 said:
delete post pls wrong thread
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Looks like Luk is having a go too, amongst others.
And lol yes it's the wrong thread but I'm happy to know

its because of the sd 8 gen 1

abdennour.tlb said:
its because of the sd 8 gen 1
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It's more specifically due to OnePlus not spending the extra money to properly cool the thing.

its the worst cpu ever made

abdennour.tlb said:
its the worst cpu ever made
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What is? The 8 gen 1?
It runs everything at speeds I've never witnessed before.
If your phone is overheating then could just be bad build quality but I don't think that's in the SOC.

abdennour.tlb said:
its the worst cpu ever made
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It's not though. That same test on the Snapdragon 810 would be much worse... This one throttled so bad that over time its performance was pulled all the way down to the level of a Snapdragon 801 that was also thermal throttling (before the 801 throttled even further later)...
The reality is that it's up to the manufacturer to tame these SoCs. The SoC is designed to boost to max performance when it can and throttle when it hits certain temps. Seeing how the phone can't really dissipate the heat that effectively, the SoC will always throttle at some point under a sustained load but adding things like vapor chambers can extend that window to the point it's ONLY going to be noticeable when doing stupid things like these kind of tests.