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Is my phone fake?

Hi. I received mi mix. Bought http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_502620.html
Package was broken and opened - will share pics later.
Case is missing and i dont have any instruction - nothing ( but just realized what is in box ) ^
Miui version is Global 8.0 Stable 8.0.8.0 MOAHCNDI looks fake for me
I do have play store already YouTube app Chrome
Location is China ( don't know if location china and those app are in china location)
Also have a question. because when i add to card wireless charger was preferred so i bought it. I don't know if this phone can be charge wireless or not? If yes where can i activate it? When i place phone on charger, charger is blinking but phone is not charged.
What should i do in this situation?
I forgot about one more question.
If i place my sim card from att will att register somehow as their phone? I would like to switch to verizon if this phone will work with verizon. Same thing i had with mi max. I tried to switch to verizon and representative said this phone is registered as att's phone.
So can i insert my sim card the switch to verizon? Btw is dual sim so i believe i can if ill work on verizon - just want to make sure

It's widely known that Gearbest were removing the cases and selling them separately.
Regarding the box being opened and the software being fiddled with, that's par for the course. The software tweaks are collectively referred to as 'vendor ROMs' and the best thing you can do for your phone is to reflash it with official firmware.
As for the wireless charger, you've been had - the Mi Mix doesn't support it.

bitpie said:
Hi. I received mi mix. Bought http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_502620.html
Package was broken and opened - will share pics later.
Case is missing and i dont have any instruction - nothing ( but just realized what is in box ) ^
Miui version is Global 8.0 Stable 8.0.8.0 MOAHCNDI looks fake for me
I do have play store already YouTube app Chrome
Location is China ( don't know if location china and those app are in china location)
Also have a question. because when i add to card wireless charger was preferred so i bought it. I don't know if this phone can be charge wireless or not? If yes where can i activate it? When i place phone on charger, charger is blinking but phone is not charged.
What should i do in this situation?
I forgot about one more question.
If i place my sim card from att will att register somehow as their phone? I would like to switch to verizon if this phone will work with verizon. Same thing i had with mi max. I tried to switch to verizon and representative said this phone is registered as att's phone.
So can i insert my sim card the switch to verizon? Btw is dual sim so i believe i can if ill work on verizon - just want to make sure
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My phone was obviously opened, because it did not come with plastic heat shrink like in the youtube videos showing first reviews and box opening. But then again, I have bought my last 4 phones like new condition so I don't care too much.
Got mine from Chinavision. I have same build, with google play store. No chrome, no you tube. I did not get the Quick charger in the box (got the leather case, the type c cable, the sim extractor and instruction pamphlet).
Cheers

Got it. Thank You for answers.
I dont want to create another thread. Can you tell me how i can flash to get OTA update?
I tried many times through updater and mi flash and still cant flash. there was something about .bat. Downlaoded 3 or 4 roms from http://en.miui.com/download-317.html Stable Rom.
Even this http://en.miui.com/a-234.html want work. I mean flash via miflash was successfully ( done in 2 sec. ) but no changebs after boot.

You're buying a phone from Chinese company. What are the chances of them being fake? Where would the fake come from? Parkistan? LOL. Anyway, I bought mine from Flossmall. I was skeptical at first but I was quite happy with them. Phone arrived 5 days later after I paid. Everything is in there. Included original leather case. Not only that, they also sent me a clear case and a tempered glass which I ended up not using because it didnt fit. Phone also came loaded with Playstore already.

Maybe thats why gearbest ignored my question, does it come with vendor rom, it didn't appear on the question and answer page, maybe it should be called question and only answer filtered questions. Got mine pre-order price so they def gonna have the case away.

I received my 6gb mix from Gearbest yesterday. It came in a black box, not shrinkwrapped, but had some tape on it like those when you remove becomes void or to show it was opened. My phone had plastic screen covers on both sides, it had the case, the usb-c cable, and charger. I do have the leather case as well. My phone is currently on MAHCNDI 8.0.8.0. It came "set up" already as I didn't have to create or enter my accounts. Maybe they unlocked the bootloader already but I can't tell. But I can't run android pay because maybe the bootloader is unlocked already.

jazz452 said:
Maybe thats why gearbest ignored my question, does it come with vendor rom, it didn't appear on the question and answer page, maybe it should be called question and only answer filtered questions. Got mine pre-order price so they def gonna have the case away.
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That won't be specific to GearBest - none of the retailers will admit to flashing vendor ROMs.

Mine was NOT opened and it still has the "vendor" ROM. I do not believe that every retailer that imported Mi Mix's flashed every device they sold. It's impractical, especially since it would take a lot of collaboration between the vendors that sold the phones.
It has to be Xiaomi that flashed the "vendor" Roms because they knew that the phones would be shipped internationally.
Therefore, I believe there should be no reason for anyone to have received a Mi Mix with an open box. I've read here on XDA that GearBest and some other vendors have allegedly and purposefully taken the cases out of the boxes to be sold separately. Maybe this is the case for your shipment. The only flaw with this information I read is that I see absolutely no listings for the original "European Ecco" leather case on GearBest. I would have bought one already.

Can anyone tell me the reason why i can't get Stable Rom and get OTA update ?
Im fighting with it since i received phone and asked in 3 or 4 thread. All answers was about root/open bl/ twrp.
Don't get it. Is seriously impossible to buy from gearbest and install Stable Rom without root/twrp/open bl ?

bitpie said:
Can anyone tell me the reason why i can't get Stable Rom and get OTA update ?
Im fighting with it since i received phone and asked in 3 or 4 thread. All answers was about root/open bl/ twrp.
Don't get it. Is seriously impossible to buy from gearbest and install Stable Rom without root/twrp/open bl ?
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I think the vendor ROM disabled OTA update or causes the update to be "incompatible".
Did you check whether or not it's unlocked? My phone is unlocked out of the box and basically I didn't need to request unlock from Xiaomi.
So all you need is fastboot on your PC, it's only a few files. Then in command prompt, type in fastboot oem device-info in that directory.
Mine came back device unlocked: True and Device critical unlocked true. So now I'm looking into how to flash the normal chinese ROM on this before I attempt to go to the EU version.

Thorin78 said:
I think the vendor ROM disabled OTA update or causes the update to be "incompatible".
Did you check whether or not it's unlocked? My phone is unlocked out of the box and basically I didn't need to request unlock from Xiaomi.
So all you need is fastboot on your PC, it's only a few files. Then in command prompt, type in fastboot oem device-info in that directory.
Mine came back device unlocked: True and Device critical unlocked true. So now I'm looking into how to flash the normal chinese ROM on this before I attempt to go to the EU version.
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Eee... What? If you would like to give me some instruction then complete step by step guide is only for me
Is phone locked? Yes. In developer settings i see something about it and is locked. I believe after few days trying many roms and ways installing stable it finally be done somehow.

bitpie said:
Can anyone tell me the reason why i can't get Stable Rom and get OTA update ?
Im fighting with it since i received phone and asked in 3 or 4 thread. All answers was about root/open bl/ twrp.
Don't get it. Is seriously impossible to buy from gearbest and install Stable Rom without root/twrp/open bl ?
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I've tried to find the answer to this in my thread I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/help/mi-mix-rom-clarification-t3524700

xNiNELiVES said:
I've tried to find the answer to this in my thread I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/help/mi-mix-rom-clarification-t3524700
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LOL. Just LOL :laugh:
its ridiculous.
Im starting thinking very serious about selling this phone and buy opo3T for example. If OneplusOne will have 6"+ screen im not gonna think even a minute

bitpie said:
LOL. Just LOL :laugh:
its ridiculous.
Im starting thinking very serious about selling this phone and buy opo3T for example. If OneplusOne will have 6"+ screen im not gonna think even a minute
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To each their own, but I must say:
No new one plus one will have a screen to body size ratio as good as the Mi Mix
Additionally, no new one olus one will have a 4400 mah battery
The Mi Mix's bootloader can legitimately be unlocked to flash other ROMs such as the debloated EU ROM.
I do understand though, this is pretty ridiculous. Xiaomi needs to take responsibility for the product they made and support its' customers.

bitpie said:
LOL. Just LOL :laugh:
its ridiculous.
Im starting thinking very serious about selling this phone and buy opo3T for example. If OneplusOne will have 6"+ screen im not gonna think even a minute
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I think it's important to point out OTA would only come to China (Stable Rom), that's the only Official ROM. If you want official Chinese rom for OTA, you will have bloatware and you have to go through steps to get your Google Play and Apps installed. Ask yourself what you prefer? I would pick EU Vendor rom anytime imo.
Another note, I don't get the fuss of OTA, it's not like you don't get the latest update by manually install whatever ROM you want to use, so say at this minute there is an update on Chinese rom, evern if you are on Vendor rom, you can still install the latest Chinese one if you choose to. It's really just an extra 5mins job. It's just a bit strange you want to sell this phone because you are on a ROM you think or assume you don't like.
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xNiNELiVES said:
To each their own, but I must say:
No new one plus one will have a screen to body size ratio as good as the Mi Mix
Additionally, no new one olus one will have a 4400 mah battery
The Mi Mix's bootloader can legitimately be unlocked to flash other ROMs such as the debloated EU ROM.
I do understand though, this is pretty ridiculous. Xiaomi needs to take responsibility for the product they made and support its' customers.
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I don't think it's Xiaomi's fault, if it's anything, they just make the bootloader unlock to be too easy for anyone to do it. You didn't purchase the phone from Xiaomi, you purchase the phone from a third party seller who installed the debloated EU ROM for you, that's hardly Xiaomi's fault. For warranty sake, you might don't even have one as you are not running the official CN rom and your bootloader has been unlocked by the third party seller.

I would pick EU Vendor rom anytime imo.
Hmm Sounds better.
So how to switch? ... still same problem

bitpie said:
I would pick EU Vendor rom anytime imo.
Hmm Sounds better.
So how to switch? ... still same problem
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I see you have been posted the same question a few times already, if you just ask the same question: "How to switch?", people will just keep linking you this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/how-to/guide-flash-global-china-rom-root-gapps-t3510592
At least tell us more whether you have gone through the steps and where you are stuck. The guide is very easy to follow and unless you make a mistake somewhere, you should be perfectly fine just by following it.

wu5262 said:
I think it's important to point out OTA would only come to China (Stable Rom), that's the only Official ROM. If you want official Chinese rom for OTA, you will have bloatware and you have to go through steps to get your Google Play and Apps installed. Ask yourself what you prefer? I would pick EU Vendor rom anytime imo.
Another note, I don't get the fuss of OTA, it's not like you don't get the latest update by manually install whatever ROM you want to use, so say at this minute there is an update on Chinese rom, evern if you are on Vendor rom, you can still install the latest Chinese one if you choose to. It's really just an extra 5mins job. It's just a bit strange you want to sell this phone because you are on a ROM you think or assume you don't like.
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I don't think it's Xiaomi's fault, if it's anything, they just make the bootloader unlock to be too easy for anyone to do it. You didn't purchase the phone from Xiaomi, you purchase the phone from a third party seller who installed the debloated EU ROM for you, that's hardly Xiaomi's fault. For warranty sake, you might don't even have one as you are not running the official CN rom and your bootloader has been unlocked by the third party seller.
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wu5262 said:
I see you have been posted the same question a few times already, if you just ask the same question: "How to switch?", people will just keep linking you this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/how-to/guide-flash-global-china-rom-root-gapps-t3510592
At least tell us more whether you have gone through the steps and where you are stuck. The guide is very easy to follow and unless you make a mistake somewhere, you should be perfectly fine just by following it.
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I said many times and asked many times and still no answer after tis.
For example #3 http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/help/how-to-switch-dev-to-stable-t3525211

I don't think it's Xiaomi's fault, if it's anything, they just make the bootloader unlock to be too easy for anyone to do it. You didn't purchase the phone from Xiaomi, you purchase the phone from a third party seller who installed the debloated EU ROM for you, that's hardly Xiaomi's fault. For warranty sake, you might don't even have one as you are not running the official CN rom and your bootloader has been unlocked by the third party seller.
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My entire package was sealed. I don't see how it is possible that the redistributer could have flashed it... Also they didn't install a debloated EU Rom, it's a totally different ROM.

Xiaomi mi mix newbie on T-Mobile US

Got a great deal on a white xiaomi mi mix with global rom allowing for OTA updates. what do i need to get this up and running for tmobile as far as google apps and syncing. Dont want to be flashing anything or rooting . Heard you have to disable something to allowing downloads over lte. Can someone give me a step by step on what is necessary to have this run as if it wàs a regular phone from US, new to chinese phones, and thanks in advance for help.

I have a Black 6GB one on T-Mobile, if its Global the google apps should already be on it. Chinese they have to be installed separately. Was able to download over lte out of the box, so not sure what the issue mentioned there would have been.
During setup, select English and proceed pretty much like any other phone you bought. IF your presented with the google login during setup, its all there already. IF you are NOT presented with the google login, you will need to install google. There are various ways to do this, I downloaded the most recent parts [play service etc ...] and manually installed them. There are other ways. I would suggest not roming or unlocking the device unless your familiar with the various ways MIUI can break on you. I've used MIUI for years [since 2011 or so] and I have left this machine locked /not romed.
I use it as my daily driver, one huge thing - its VERY slippery ... get a case immediately if the in box one isn't there. I use Cameringo+ Filters Camera for the camera - its fast and takes much better pictures than the provided camera software [the cams not bad at all for me - the software was].
VERY Detailed Mi Mix Review / Information

Wow thanks for all the info, great help. Hows the screen does it need a protector on it? Heard its very slippery as well any pics of your case?

Screens fine for the most part, dust magnet but what screen isn't? It MUST have a case though. I can upload pics when I get home, its the leather sleeve one that's included with the unopened product.

Nicolfa said:
Screens fine for the most part, dust magnet but what screen isn't? It MUST have a case though. I can upload pics when I get home, its the leather sleeve one that's included with the unopened product.
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Have you been able to get Wifi Calling and VoLTe working?

Pointmanipo said:
Have you been able to get Wifi Calling and VoLTe working?
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Haven't ever used the feature on any of my T-Mobile devices or unlocked ones. Tried it once years ago and found it was lack luster.

Well I could really use it, could you share how I can get it to work?

I ordered an N950F/DS and got an N9500 -- should I be upset?

I live in the US and the phone works - but it's a Snapdragon, not an Exynos ( so ... better?) and I'm not really sure what to think now that I see the hardware model of it.
The only noticeable differences I could find are that handwriting defaulted to Chinese and the Chinese calendar seems burned into the Samsung Calendar app.
Anything I should look out for? Should I pursue a return through Amazon?

Samsung pay?
Try hard reset then immediately sideloading Samsung Pay 2.7.03 (apk from apkmirror) and Framework 2.7.51 see if spay will work.

If you have problems with language options in general, you can factory reset and set up your languages defaults from the very beginning (on the very first page, you will have a language selector, possibly showing Korean as a default choice, type the Korean writing and choose your favorite localization; this happens on any model by Samsung). This is highly recommended if you do not trust the vendor.
As far as I can tell, the main limitation of N9500 is localization of hardware-secured features: if you plan to use the (awesome) Samsung Pay, apparently you can do so only in Hong Kong so far (with N9500). As I understand, Samsung uses/experiments a more advanced system in Hong Kong, which you will not be able to use elsewhere. I have a N9500 and I want to try to spoof the model number in build.prop to see if one can cheat the phone to have Samsung Pay work everywhere.
Snapdragon vs Exynos is a mixed bag, depending on your workload. Exynos performs slightly better, Snapdragon will offer a faster web experience. In my opinion, no noticeable difference at all. However if you:
-Have a 64GB model
-Have a write heavy workload (quite rare, for instance you do some video-editing on phone or backup GB of data TO the phone every day)
exynos will perform noticeably better in these tasks since Samsung uses different NAND on the two models. For reading workload, again the difference is not noticeable.
Also, my guess is that you got N9500 for a better price: these are usually imported models from Hong Kong or UAE, with no official support. Importers likely got a much better price than the local Samsung offer, or maybe they avoided some import taxes via shady practices. If you paid the same as the official listing in your country, you may want to ask for a replacement regardless of the hardware.
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Just to clear out, in the message before I meant that both the conditions (64GB AND write heavy) need to be satisfied to have an Exynos preference.

I haven't run into any actual problems yet (4 hours of use?) and I'm trying to avoid any modifications while I decide how to handle this... The whole thing seems shady, there's a promotional coupon stuck over the model number on the box. I feel like it was done intentionally for some reason.

delugeofspam said:
I haven't run into any actual problems yet (4 hours of use?) and I'm trying to avoid any modifications while I decide how to handle this... The whole thing seems shady, there's a promotional coupon stuck over the model number on the box. I feel like it was done intentionally for some reason.
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Well if you were sold a model different than the listing description and you are worried/not happy about it, get your money back and make sure you don't lose even a penny (teaching seller a lesson in the process since a lot of this purposeful shadiness seems to be happening even when seller knows).

Don't be upset. You might have gotten the only Snapdragon variant with an unlockable bootloader out the box. If you don't mind double checking this, go to developer options and see if there's an OEM unlocking toggle. Then download Crom and run it, it should unlock your bootloader.

Paradoxumical said:
Don't be upset. You might have gotten the only Snapdragon variant with an unlockable bootloader out the box. If you don't mind double checking this, go to developer options and see if there's an OEM unlocking toggle. Then download Crom and run it, it should unlock your bootloader.
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Unfortunately, no such luck.

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Unfortunately, no such luck.
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Really? Damn, Samsung is seriously tightening things up, the HK and CN variants used to the only Snadragon models that came with an official bootloader unlock tool/method.

Paradoxumical said:
Really? Damn, Samsung is really tightening things up, the HK and CN variants used to the only Samsung models that came with an official bootloader unlock tool/method.
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Didn't people have to wait exactly a week after activation for that option to show up or something like that?

evangelionpunk said:
Didn't people have to wait exactly a week after activation for that option to show up or something like that?
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I don’t recall anything of the sort, but don’t hold that against me. My last Samsung device prior to the Note 8 was the S6 (which I despised). The S5 was Samsung’s last great and true user/developer/mod friendly device. Even though the design got a lot of hate, I quite liked it. It went to eight different countries with me, and never gave me grief even though I used it as an underwater camera countless times.

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I don’t recall anything of the sort, but don’t hold that against me. My last Samsung device prior to the Note 8 was the S6 (which I despised). The S5 was Samsung’s last great and true user/developer/mod friendly device. Even though the design got a lot of hate, I quite liked it. It went to eight different countries with me, and never gave me grief even though I used it as an underwater camera countless times.
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Yep double checked and there is a 1 week wait post activation for OEM UNLOCK option to appear.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-8-exynos-n950f-fd-oem-unlock-t3673140/page64
Not sure if applies to qualcomm variants too. Doesnt HK/CN by law require OEM UNLOCK? Read something along this line somewhere here.

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Yep double checked and there is a 1 week wait post activation for OEM UNLOCK option to appear.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-8-exynos-n950f-fd-oem-unlock-t3673140/page64
Not sure if applies to qualcomm variants too. Doesnt HK/CN by law require OEM UNLOCK? Read something along this line somewhere here.
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Hey! That’s amazing news for OP. I believe HK/CN does require that by law. I remember when the S7 was released there, it looked so sleek without the Samsung logos.

Paradoxumical said:
Hey! That’s amazing news for OP. I believe HK/CN does require that by law. I remember when the S7 was released there, it looked so sleek without the Samsung logos.
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Yep it would be if it applies to Qualcomm variants and if it does it may only apply to HK/CN variants.
Maybe someone that has already had this model for 7+ days can confirm it for him.

The company I purchased it from refuses to advance-replace this with the phone I ordered and seems to expect me to pay to ship it back to them. This is probably going to turn into a dispute with Amazon, so I'm out another $900+ as I have to get into a new phone ASAP, and leave this one with zero wear.
I'm pretty convinced that I want the N950FD/S Aus, Europe & Lat edition of this phone despite living in the U.S. I don't want to suffer heavily locked bootloaders even for a Snapdragon and it seems there is more development for Exynos.
Please, though, tell me I'm wrong and that I should keep this phone that I dumped hours into configuring before catching on to the damn Chinese calendar embedded in the Samsung Calendar app :|

Damn yeah I would return it and get the exynos model you want oem unlock for sure ! I love my deep sea blue 256gb N950N its a work horse things were a pain at first but most the issues have been sorted out and its the best 1200$ i spent.

delugeofspam said:
The company I purchased it from refuses to advance-replace this with the phone I ordered and seems to expect me to pay to ship it back to them. This is probably going to turn into a dispute with Amazon, so I'm out another $900+ as I have to get into a new phone ASAP, and leave this one with zero wear.
I'm pretty convinced that I want the N950FD/S Aus, Europe & Lat edition of this phone despite living in the U.S. I don't want to suffer heavily locked bootloaders even for a Snapdragon and it seems there is more development for Exynos.
Please, though, tell me I'm wrong and that I should keep this phone that I dumped hours into configuring before catching on to the damn Chinese calendar embedded in the Samsung Calendar app :|
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If I were you, I would keep it. I’m 92% sure TWRP will pop-up for your device in the upcoming weeks. I don’t know if Samsung has released the kernel source yet, but once they do, I’ll be more than happy to compile it for you. I remember the same thing happened with the HK/CN variant of the S7. Holding out a week to see if OEM Unlocking shows up will be worth if it does.

Dont want to start a new thread so hopefully someone can help on here.
I ordered a N950fd but have received a N9500. It's currently sat in dubai waiting for a friend to bring back to UK.
Should i stick with it or get the N950FD instead? I would like to use Samsung pay but it's not a deal breaker as dont use it that much now anyway. Is there anything else i should be worried about?
thanks

So you ordered the Big Mac and got a Cheeseburger...
If you were at Macca's would you complain and want the right order? I know I would...

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So you ordered the Big Mac and got a Cheeseburger...
If you were at Macca's would you complain and want the right order? I know I would...
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Lol do you really think there's that much difference?

imy300 said:
Lol do you really think there's that much difference?
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Yes.....
Not only is there a difference, but I want what I ordered...

Ordered an X4 over G6, any recommendations?

Hello everyone,
I was in need of a new phone and sick of Apple and IOS. I am just done with the Apple ecosystem all together. When it comes to Android, it is stock or nothing for me. I'm not a power user by any means though, so I can't really justify the cost of a Pixel 2. The G6 and the X4 appeared to be my best options. I went with the X4 because of the better chipset, faster ram, better cameras, and ip68 rating. I know some would argue that the G6 has a better display and more modern design, but the display doesn't offset the fact that the X4 is a step up all around with everything else. I honestly would rather stick with 16:9 and they both have 424ppi anyways. I wouldn't have minded a Nokia 6.1 but where I live in Wisconsin it is Verizon, US Cellular, or no service. GSM only phones are a no go.
So I picked up a brand new unlocked Moto X4 32gb from Best Buy. (Non Fi or Prime) I was able to swendle them into price matching the $250 Amazon Prime version. As for service, I decided to go with Verizon prepaid over a MVNO like straight talk or total wireless. I pay a little more in exchange for higher prioritizeation and faster data speeds. The prioritizeation really matters where I live because everyone is using Verizon towers. Straight Talk and Total wireless are very, very popular in my area and very, very cheap (as low as $35 for 6gb) but I notice that their data speeds are about 1/4 that of Verizon prepaid and postpaid.
So, any recommendations or tips for a new Moto X owner? I plan to unlock the bootloader and root it today. Clean things up a bit, ditch encryption for a little performance bump. I look forward to tinkering with Android again.
Update:
Loving the X4! This was a well needed upgrade for me. It was funny to get 4 updates in a row. May, June, July, August security updates. Why did it have to do them one at a time? lol

Moto x4 is really nice device, its quick, lagfree, handy, stock out of box, no bloatware (only Moto few app)... only downside is camera quality,its very poor and moto doesn't provide speedy update like pixel or oneplus

omky_b4u said:
Moto x4 is really nice device, its quick, lagfree, handy, stock out of box, no bloatware (only Moto few app)... only downside is camera quality,its very poor and moto doesn't provide speedy update like pixel or oneplus
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camera quality was bad on the launch, now with all the oreo updates it works just fine and its similar to phones with this price tag, we even have AR Core

ViralTypo said:
So, any recommendations or tips for a new Moto X owner? I plan to unlock the bootloader and root it today. Clean things up a bit, ditch encryption for a little performance bump. I look forward to tinkering with Android again.
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If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.

edufur said:
If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.
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I actually have not as of yet. After doing some research, I don't think that I am going to either. Warranty is not a big deal to me on a $250 phone, but I would really like to use Android Pay. Also, one of the main reasons I root is to remove unwanted apps. I don't see much bloatware on here and I like some of the Moto features. I already ditched my navigation bar in favor of the fingerprint gestures. The three finger screenshot gesture is legit too. I'm happy with the phone the way it is for now.
What is F-DROID?

edufur said:
If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.
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I unlocked bootloader rooted and installed lineage. I decided to go back to stock and relocked bootloader - Google pay works without root and magisk.

Backup Software for Note 9

I've read about SmartSwitch and Kies 3. I currently use Kies 3. I don't care how user-friendly, clever, or fast it is. Anything better than Kies 3 to be able to restore single apps and pull out previous APKs? We learned the hard way that we need to turn off Google automatic updates from the play store. They arbitrarily roll out new policies that cripple businesses and cost them many thousands of dollars.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79320380&postcount=14

TWiiTCH said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79320380&postcount=14Do not downgrade if a current bootloader is newer than old one. You can't revert bootloaders but you can up or downgrade if same version or new one that's higher.
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I have never been so frustrated with a phone purchase. I probably have 40 hours in this and it looks like it isn't over yet. First people say once it's upgraded to Pie there is no going back. Next they say it's no problem. Next they say you cannot go back to Oreo and I have a phone on order that is about to get re-listed if I cannot revert it. Now I'm rooting for Hawwaie, a new operating system, and for them to be a US carrier. These guys are criminal.

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I have never been so frustrated with a phone purchase. I probably have 40 hours in this and it looks like it isn't over yet. First people say once it's upgraded to Pie there is no going back. Next they say it's no problem. Next they say you cannot go back to Oreo and I have a phone on order that is about to get re-listed if I cannot revert it. Now I'm rooting for Hawwaie, a new operating system, and for them to be a US carrier. These guys are criminal.
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I feel your frustration. I bought this phone because I wanted a hi end hi performance phone & I thought I'd stay on Oreo until there was a root method for my Snapdragon model only to find out that after hitting no to the update request about 20 times it still forced me to upgrade. Why the heck do they ask if you want to upgrade or not if they're just going to force you to upgrade anyway. As for the bootloader thing if you are on version 1 it doesn't matter what release firmware you put on it just as long as it is bootloader version 1 or higher. Once you go to a firmware that has bootloader version 2 or higher you are unable to go back 2 a firmware that is lower then the one you're currently on. It is stupid but I don't know what to say because I am in your position, stuck with a phone I cannot root and paid big money for. If you have any questions on how to do things just PM me and we can chat I am fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Samsung devices and the note 9 as I've had mine since it was released. Do you have the exynos or snapdragon model? Mine is snapdragon so that is the one I am most familiar with. If I don't know something that you ask me I will not lie and pretend like I do know and feed you information that could lead you down a bad Road. I will give you answers if I do have the correct ones and I am sure of that.
What is it you wish to do or have done with your phone? If it is rooting/jailbreak and you have the exynos model you have an 80% chance that you can succeed in doing so. If you have the Snapdragon model like me we probably will not see a jailbreak or root anytime soon, if at all. There are ways and tricks to get around a lot of problems but they involve work and knowledge and time and usually they are a lengthy process to complete a simple task if it doesn't come out of the box already doing what you wish.
I'd love to trade mine if I could find somebody with a phone that is rootable and it's in the same quality and performs close to the way this one does. I'm going to hold off though because I have downgraded to Oreo and everything I need is functioning at the moment. My only wish 4 root is because I'd like to run Viper4android to be able to get the best sound quality out of the phone possible. For me there is not enough Bass and the volume level is too low, and when you turn the bass or treble up using the EQ provided by Samsung the music goes quieter just so the bass and treble sound louder by comparison. This phone has a very low end audio quality in my opinion. I hate the earbud headphones they come with, AKG I believe. They keep falling out of my oddly shaped ear canal and don't provide me with anything I'd consider special sounding. They rate the headphones as high end $100 value but to me I've bought better for $29.99. Some may disagree but with hiphop/rap I need, well like heavy bass & sharp snappy treble without loss of mid range vocals. I'm getting married in 3/4 of a year, maybe I'll ask for a wedding gift (doing a money tree) and get me some $400 beats over ear headphones by Dr Dre. This phone without viper4android may not push them tho so I'll get a Bluetooth model which provides its own amp power supply.
Like I said if you have questions I'll tell you what I know, what I've actually done myself, and what I'm unsure of. I feel for you so least I can do is offer. Don't give up just yet. Day 2 on Oreo 8.1.0 and still nothing about updates has come up. It's two simple adb commands that stops the forced updates and it affects nothing on the phone. No prompts or error messages & EVERYTHING else works fine. It's easy to undo also and does not void warranty.
Cheers mate, take a deep breath & we can look at each issue 1 by 1. Hopefully their easy to correct.
I'm Ryan by the way. Ttyl ?.

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I'd love to trade mine if I could find somebody with a phone that is rootable and it's in the same quality and performs close to the way this one does.
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There is, the Pixel 2XL. The Pixel 3XL came with Pie. There isn't much difference between the two. The reason I didn't is I will be living in a South America most of the time and I want Samsung Pay otherwise the Pixel 2XL almost had
me giving up the stylus.
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Like I said if you have questions I'll tell you what I know, what I've actually done myself, and what I'm unsure of. I feel for you so least I can do is offer. Don't give up just yet.
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If it doesn't come with the right boot loader I'll list it back on eBay and get one that does.
I don't buy phones often because it takes me 80 hours to get one the way I need it. Once I was able to get a phone with a stylus, and I could run line-of-business software, the Touch Pro2, it would be hard for me to give up the stylus. The Touch Pro2 was simply a Pocket PC and you could wipe it and install any operating that had drivers on it, including Android. It could emulate anything, including an iPhone. I'd still have a Windows phone if they made one but Balmer trashed it and started putting Zune on phones with Windows Phone and then it lost it's entire software base, including the Word, Excel, and Outlook that was baked in, and took Nokia down with it. That is what brought Android out of obscurity. I didn't move to Android until the Note 3 because it was the first point in time that Android had enough competent software for line-of-business apps, and the reason I didn't go IOS is because the same apps in the iPhone didn't work right, and I couldn't get where I needed to go, with call recording being one. It was also the latest I could get root. With root we can do site surveys, see what the bands are in a certain area, troubleshoot networks, etc., so we will keep the Verizon Note 3s for that purpose as they have no resale since they cannot be added to the Verizon network after the first of the year because they don't have LTE-A like the Note 4. The Note 8 and the Note 9 are the only ones with the bands needed to be able to work on a variety of networks around the world, that has a stylus, can still record calls if running Oreo, and has Samsung Pay. There is no advantage for me to buy a Samsung without a stylus. The problem with the Note 8 is battery life and it would probably come with an older battery. For those reasons the Note 9 is the only duck in my pond. I couldn't use a Note 10 if someone gave it to me.
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Day 2 on Oreo 8.1.0 and still nothing about updates has come up. It's two simple adb commands that stops the forced updates and it affects nothing on the phone. No prompts or error messages & EVERYTHING else works fine. It's easy to undo also and does not void warranty.
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ADB access for most is about over, and Verizon is the name of a new virus that works around your OTA protections. I'm going to go with what Jammol stated on this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus this video for phone settings: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus install Package Disabler Pro+.
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Cheers mate, take a deep breath & we can look at each issue 1 by 1. Hopefully their easy to correct. I'm Ryan by the way. Ttyl .
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I have a Note 9 on the way, setting up my plan, and ordering and downloading. The phone is my mini business laptop. It has my mail, schedule, software to support people remotely, tracks my time, takes notes for my calls, etc. I don't use it for movies, games, or music. What turns my ears red is when they make changes that cost me thousands of dollars in lost history and change things to where I lose business functionality. If I find the guy who did Pie and took away my call recording, I'm going to revoke his social media accounts, take the transmission out of his car to keep him safe and from breaking the law with any inadvertent traffic violations, and board up all of the windows on his house to protect his privacy. I know what's best for his life. BTW, I'm Jack

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:laugh:There is, the Pixel 2XL. The Pixel 3XL came with Pie. There isn't much difference between the two. The reason I didn't is I will be living in a South America most of the time and I want Samsung Pay otherwise the Pixel 2XL almost had
me giving up the stylus.
If it doesn't come with the right boot loader I'll list it back on eBay and get one that does.
I don't buy phones often because it takes me 80 hours to get one the way I need it. Once I was able to get a phone with a stylus, and I could run line-of-business software, the Touch Pro2, it would be hard for me to give up the stylus. The Touch Pro2 was simply a Pocket PC and you could wipe it and install any operating that had drivers on it, including Android. It could emulate anything, including an iPhone. I'd still have a Windows phone if they made one but Balmer trashed it and started putting Zune on phones with Windows Phone and then it lost it's entire software base, including the Word, Excel, and Outlook that was baked in, and took Nokia down with it. That is what brought Android out of obscurity. I didn't move to Android until the Note 3 because it was the first point in time that Android had enough competent software for line-of-business apps, and the reason I didn't go IOS is because the same apps in the iPhone didn't work right, and I couldn't get where I needed to go, with call recording being one. It was also the latest I could get root. With root we can do site surveys, see what the bands are in a certain area, troubleshoot networks, etc., so we will keep the Verizon Note 3s for that purpose as they have no resale since they cannot be added to the Verizon network after the first of the year because they don't have LTE-A like the Note 4. The Note 8 and the Note 9 are the only ones with the bands needed to be able to work on a variety of networks around the world, that has a stylus, can still record calls if running Oreo, and has Samsung Pay. There is no advantage for me to buy a Samsung without a stylus. The problem with the Note 8 is battery life and it would probably come with an older battery. For those reasons the Note 9 is the only duck in my pond. I couldn't use a Note 10 if someone gave it to me.
ADB access for most is about over, and Verizon is the name of a new virus that works around your OTA protections. I'm going to go with what Jammol stated on this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus this video for phone settings: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus install Package Disabler Pro+.
I have a Note 9 on the way, setting up my plan, and ordering and downloading. The phone is my mini business laptop. It has my mail, schedule, software to support people remotely, tracks my time, takes notes for my calls, etc. I don't use it for movies, games, or music. What turns my ears red is when they make changes that cost me thousands of dollars in lost history and change things to where I lose business functionality. If I find the guy who did Pie and took away my call recording, I'm going to revoke his social media accounts, take the transmission out of his car to keep him safe and from breaking the law with any inadvertent traffic violations, and board up all of the windows on his house to protect his privacy. I know what's best for his life. BTW, I'm Jack
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I looked around and even found a great condition pixel 2 XL that somebody was willing to trade for my Samsung Galaxy S8 but I was nervous about a used phone, and luckily once I called my carrier to check if the pixel would run on their Network they told me it didn't. I am with Eastlink Mobility in Eastern Canada and their firmware customer code or abbreviation is esk. They stated that they sell only the phones that work on their Networks (many) and phones purchased elsewhere would not work on there modem bands and would only be able to purchase second hand phone that they carry in store so that I would be okay and I would be able to connect to their towers. To me this sounds like a bunch of bul****, there are many many bands and Eastlink Mobility doesn't even own any Towers. The service they provide is through rented Towers from Bell Canada and Telus Canada and Rogers Canada. This being the case I would assume any phone that runs on any of these Networks should be able to be hooked up and used with my current provider without me having to purchase a brand new phone. I think it is a money grab and also all the phones that they do sell currently are not able to be rooted. Very small selection. Only newest Note 9+ Galaxy S10, iPhone X, and some cheapos that liik ancient.
FOR $150 a month I get...
Unlimited nationwide long distance calling. Unlimited local calling 24/7. I have insurance that covers everything even if I dropped it on concrete face down and stepped on it getting out of the car to pick it up and shattered the screen rendering the phone useless (whick I did a week after buying the note 9) God that sucked/was dumb. This insurance does not expire ever as long as I keep it on my plan. It doesn't matter the reason the phone is damaged so it's a pretty good insurance plan. I also get 7gb of mobile data each month and unlimited sms/mms but I'm still wondering if WiFi calling will be activated. I see through package Disabler there is a WiFi calling apk. why it'd be there if there was no intention on using it 1 day, but I'm sure Eastlink will be last to get it available. Google pay & Samsung pay are not compatible with my bank/country/provider so their just wasting space. I have bixby turned off atm. Single press - settings, double press - game launcher, & long hold press is screenshot. Quite handy, I used button remapper & setup on pc was a breeze. Wish me luck finding a "looked after" (female owner sosted prob never rooted) pixl 2.
I'm thinking I'll keep this note & use very lightly with my screen cover & Otterbox & sell before I'll lose out on resale when it becomes too low, meaning I'll sell if a good option appears & I can profit off mine still due to keeping EVERYTHING it came with. & in mint shape. Carrier unlocked but I think they have to unlock if requested now due to a law passe. The must provide you with free code. I have my Box, manual/warrenty, no scratches, all oem parts which most are still unopened or have never been used even, and in mint condition. Never been messed with or buggy issues. I'll keep my eyes open for pixel 2 but I'm pretty sure I'll run into the previous issue I mentioned. Denial by carrier.

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If you have any questions on how to do things just PM me and we can chat.
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I took you up on that because I didn't want to reduce the usefulness of this thread to others by thread drift into chat over other topics and strategies, which I started doing already.