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Hello all ,
I've got a Note for a week now and altough it's an amoled screen , i've tried every kind of video from avi to mkv ( 720 p quality ) and even reencoded files to mp4 or h264. But black aren't deep black and more dark grey , sometimes even pixelated ( blocks ). I even got the impression that this was also sometimes the case with some games ( for instance the opening sequence in Asphalt 6 HD ).
Is this normal with Samsung devices and is there a way to improve this.
Thanks
SEE?
Gnote has same specs as the galaxy s2!
just 200 more hz on CPU.
Should play all those files man!
if no worky on note byt works on SGS2 then u have somekinda fail version manufacture thing!
try getting it replaced if it does not play avi or any files!!
it really should work! try some file on sgs2 if its ok there then u phone deff a bad batch!
get it replaced! u have good Reasons to get it fixed?
helped?
He didn't say anything about the files not running, he mentioned a complaint about graphics performance due to non-AMOLED-style deep blacks.
Ffs...
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Hello ,
I probably didn't express myself completly correctly.
The Note can play al those video file and even mkv without any lag , the problem consist in the fact that the blacks in the video are not realy black but more greish , like if the contrast was not calibrated right.I even got blocks in the black part of the video.I don't have that problem with photos.
It's also like there is oversaturation , i have tried the stock video player , act video and mx player , all give me the same result.
BerreZ said:
Hello ,
I probably didn't express myself completly correctly.
The Note can play al those video file and even mkv without any lag , the problem consist in the fact that the blacks in the video are not realy black but more greish , like if the contrast was not calibrated right.I even got blocks in the black part of the video.I don't have that problem with photos.
It's also like there is oversaturation , i have tried the stock video player , act video and mx player , all give me the same result.
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It looks to me like its video quality issue. If you run video provided by samsung "lightness & slimmess", you can check whether black colour is properly displayed (skip to 0:55 for the best result).
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I have done what you said and the black of this video are completely black.
This is a 1080p hd video.Does that mean that only hd videos work propely, I hope not.
The video with the problems could be played flawless on my Htc Sensation or on my Asus Eee pad transformer both with a slower processor.
Sounds like the OP's video bitrates are too low, since he is describing black crush. Higher bitrate videos do not exhibit those problems.
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This is propably the reason , but what do you mean by "OP's" .
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OP = Original Poster.
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Niuseek said:
It looks to me like its video quality issue. If you run video provided by samsung "lightness & slimmess", you can check whether black colour is properly displayed (skip to 0:55 for the best result).
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Here endeth the lesson!
Mine does this too. the samsung video plays fine but most other blacks are purplish and blocky. This happened in the green lantern film downloaded from the market, the first part of it is very dark and was unwatchable. It happens to a lesser extent in 1080p trailers downloaded from the net. When I use a black screen for my lockscreen it is the same. Even the starry background during the orbiting planet part in quadrant benchmark is a blocky purple mess. It is not even constant. Occasionally it seems OK. I am going to send mine back.
seepage said:
Mine does this too. the samsung video plays fine but most other blacks are purplish and blocky. This happened in the green lantern film downloaded from the market, the first part of it is very dark and was unwatchable. It happens to a lesser extent in 1080p trailers downloaded from the net. When I use a black screen for my lockscreen it is the same. Even the starry background during the orbiting planet part in quadrant benchmark is a blocky purple mess. It is not even constant. Occasionally it seems OK. I am going to send mine back.
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If the Samsung video plays fine, and other videos play fine, like MKV's in Diceplayer then it must be the videos you are looking at.
Good luck finding a device that plays back crap videos in perfect quality.
If you do find a device that makes these videos look good, I would question the bit depth of that device.
What is the point in getting a device with a HD screen and watching videos in sd or HD with low bitrate? It's like trying to watch VHS videos on a LED.. yes it will be pixelated. I suggest watching higher quality videos. Either MKV or xH264 mp4 with larger file size and bitrates of at least over 3mbps.
I think this whole issue can be explained by the technology in place here.
Super AMOLED does not light up black pixels at all, so when slightly gray/dark gray colors appear in the black, they tend to stand out much more than they do on different screen technologies.
Solution: higher bitrate videos, and/or deal with it
i have been doing some testing and i know exactly what the op is talking about as I'm suffering the same issue. i have a galaxy s2 and the note side by side, with the same video and the s2 renders correctly but the note is blocky and not rendered right.
I'll post a side by side photo when i get home tonight, but there is definitely a problem.even using high bitrate videos. i tried to even the playing field eg set brightness to max, adjusting the colour to normal, warm or even cool but it does NOT render correctly. it almost looks like the old days of 16 bit vs 32 bit colour on a pc. side by side with my s2 and s1 it is very obvious.
YUP. Am observing this too.
The initial Galaxy S (first) had a pentile matrix screen too so it would be useful to compare a video exhibiting the blockiness on a Galaxy S side by side with the Note.
It definitely does seem like it is rendering at 16bit, sometimes even 8bit.
Also I have observed this in the general OS too i.e Icons, pictures etc...
Am note sure what to think...
I am wondering whether Sammy reduced the bit depth throughout the OS to keep the frame rate as high as possible due to the higher resolution of the screen...?
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ballfire said:
i have been doing some testing and i know exactly what the op is talking about as I'm suffering the same issue. i have a galaxy s2 and the note side by side, with the same video and the s2 renders correctly but the note is blocky and not rendered right.
I'll post a side by side photo when i get home tonight, but there is definitely a problem.even using high bitrate videos. i tried to even the playing field eg set brightness to max, adjusting the colour to normal, warm or even cool but it does NOT render correctly. it almost looks like the old days of 16 bit vs 32 bit colour on a pc. side by side with my s2 and s1 it is very obvious.
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Oh wait - you tested the Galaxy s1 as well which has a pentile matrix AMOLED and your test video rendered correctly???
yeah the s1 renders correctly. i tried do a screen capture of the video on my phone but it didn't seem that you can't do a screen capture of video running i tried the default video player, mobo player and mx player. none render correctly nor can do screen capture of the video still
I'm curious to know what he means by 'rendered correctly' on the S1. I think its more likely that the S1 resolution just isn't good enough to expose the weaknesses in the video encoding - the Note has nearly three times as many pixels as the S1 and the screen size is considerably larger so the 'faults' being described here are IMO the screen being good enough to expose weak video. Like someone mentioned earlier, it like watching an SD video in a lossy format on an SDTV and then an HDTV...
BerreZ said:
Hello all ,
I've got a Note for a week now and altough it's an amoled screen , i've tried every kind of video from avi to mkv ( 720 p quality ) and even reencoded files to mp4 or h264. But black aren't deep black and more dark grey , sometimes even pixelated ( blocks ). I even got the impression that this was also sometimes the case with some games ( for instance the opening sequence in Asphalt 6 HD ).
Is this normal with Samsung devices and is there a way to improve this.
Thanks
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You are describing video with "bad" gamma. It is not the screen or the device it is your source material.
The "blocks" you see are compression artifacts. Most video you will get that is compressed will have this effect. If the demo video doesn't show these artifacts then it can't be the device. That of course doesn't rule out a dodgy video player app included with the device. Maybe that is sub par and has crappy coding of the codecs and makes bad video worse?
The reason you see them better on the note is because OLED screens will show shadow detail very well. A few stages above pure black will show up. Videos these days are calibrated, made and tweaked to look good on an LCD as it is the dominant tech and that is what the video makers are looking at while they adjust their settings. This means that colors and black levels adjusted to look good on an LCD may look like crap on an OLED.
On LCDs the backlight haze will often wash out these shadow details and crush the blacks so you won't see these artifacts as much.
You problem is that your screen is TOO good!
There lies a fault with the video player. There should be a gamma adjustment to be able to pull these "grays" closer to black.
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I'm curious to know what he means by 'rendered correctly' on the S1. I think its more likely that the S1 resolution just isn't good enough to expose the weaknesses in the video encoding - the Note has nearly three times as many pixels as the S1 and the screen size is considerably larger so the 'faults' being described here are IMO the screen being good enough to expose weak video. Like someone mentioned earlier, it like watching an SD video in a lossy format on an SDTV and then an HDTV...
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what i mean is, i have the note, s2 and a s1.
lined up side by side playing the same video, the note's video in some parts is grainy, blocky, pixelated, the colors not correct compared to the s1, s2.
and this is with screen brightness set on max on all phones, display all set to standard, using the default samsung video player. but it makes not difference if you use moboplayer, mx player it is still bad.
like i said i'll post a picture when i get home later. i'm hoping it is a fixable with a software upgrade as i watch a lot of shows on my phone and so far i'm not impressed with what i'm seeing. even using 4gig 720p videos.
i've checked the video on my monitor and the video is perfect so it is just not getting rendered correctly on screen.
i hooked up the note using my s2 samsung mhl cable and in the lounge the video on the 55in 1080p tv is obviously inferior to the s2
Seriously can't work this one out, do I get my screen changed or not?
Should I wait to see if ICS makes it any better?
This phone is perfect for me except this issue with the blacks / greys. Even when i zoom in on dark parts of pictures taken with the phones camera it turns into a pixelated mess, so this is defiantly not a low quality source issue, its hardware or software related, but which?
Advice please guys. Many thanks!
I know! Right?
The screen Is freaking awesome, simply the best on any smartphone, but why those blacks haven't been fixed yet???
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
From what I've read around the forums, what should be a shaded series of greys/blacks in an area are appearing as blocks of black/darkgrey instead of a gradual change.
I've always thought this was down to how videos/images where compressed or decompressed and displayed - which would almost certainly be software and not hardware?
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
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Same here. My blacks look fine most of the time. When I do get grey blockiness I'm pretty sure it's due to poor compression in the video file, because other videos, large black areas look fine.
Can anyone give a link to a video available online in which this problem occurs (and the point in the video we should be looking at).
Maybe then we can get some objective testing with everyone using the same source file.
Maybe even have people doing screenshots to compare screens.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366014&page=4
I'm rarely using my phone in dark enough conditions to notice.
ICS should improve gradients, but won't fix the black crush if it is indeed a problem with the screen hardware.
I am probably going to regret this, as my Note was perfect except for this black crush issue, but I sent mine back to be replaced. And the issue was not just on videos for me so poor quality encodes are not the problem, I was getting it even with pictures taken with the phones camera. Said pictures taken with the Note displayed fine on my pc and my wifes Galaxy s 2, so it is deffo a problem with the device.
Please lets not turn this into another "who cares" or "its not that noticeable" debate like the other threads, all I am aiming at with this thread from now is to find out if there are any Notes in existence that do not have this issue!
Thanks.
I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
Mystic38 said:
I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
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Dude, my pc plays / displays these movies and images fine with no artifacts, as does my tv, as does my partners Galaxy s 2, as does my Nexus s, so how can you say that there is no problem?
Anyway, I just had a look at my cousins Galaxy Note and that one is playing these movies fine, and is displaying the pictures taken with my Note without the chess board effect, so if you are happy to pay over £400 for a defective device thats up to you, but many of us expect to get what we paid for.
I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
CONTACTMC said:
I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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I agree with you it is a problem and even supercurio has been on it and he is a developer so someting isnt right so lets hope it gets fixed cause many people suffer with it
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I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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The problem is clear enough to see there, but it's not one I've ever noticed on my Note. I just tried playing this YouTube clip on my Note....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxd2n8S4AE
and could see nothing wrong with the video performance in a darkened (curtains drawn during daytime) room. I wonder how well this clip plays for other people on the Note.
I made a video of the Note playing this clip and I'm uploading it at the moment. It will take a while (81 minutes remaining at the moment) as I shot in 1080p. I'll post a link when it's ready.
FWIW I'm on the latest official ROM and my phone was sourced from Germany in early November. From my perspective there is no problem, which might make it quite hard for Samsung to fix.
My Note is running on ICS (CM9) and the color rendering is substantially improved over stock GB. Gradients are smoother and blacks are rendered cleaner.
My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
tdodd said:
My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
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I've played the same clip on my Note and it looks exactly like yours, no banding/crushing/clipping whatsoever.
I've tried a lot of Youtube clips and movie trailers but in only one of them I could see obvious artefacts during a fade out. I played the same clip on my pc and saw the same thing happen there so that's probably just lousy encoding.
Thanks for putting that video up, I hope my replacement looks like yours, its due tomorrow.
I got me new note, this one is set to uk language instead of german like the one I returned. It has the exact same issue, drops from 4 grey to 3 complete black and i am still getting the clipping, bloody Samsung, this was meant to be an upgrade from my nexus s, but most stuff looks better on that! Not gonna excahnge again, I will wait for ICS and see if Samsung actually acknowledge the issue.
@Mystic38. Whilst I agree with you that most consumer devices don't come calibrated to industry standards and that most consumer devices lack the essential settings found on the most basic of professional displays, I fail to see how any colour, contrast, hue, gamma or brightness calibration would affect the overall appearance, unless of course you are cranking the settings beyond anything useful and crushing the dynamics intentionally.
It's difficult to introduce visual banding or blocking in high BIT rate video or lightly compressed images by tweaking settings and calibration by a couple of percent alone, as there are near on 17 million colours. This leaves thousands of grey levels to play with and the human eye shouldn't notice banding or blocking with that many greys.
This presumably points to an issue with the way that video is presented to the screen driver or how the screen driver drives the screen. There's probably an issue with crushing where the hardware converts the digital signal to electronic levels of each AMOLED element. I have seen this problem on other devices, not just phones and most of the time it was rectified after a software upgrade.
Another thing to remember is that companies like Samsung are fully aware and accommodating of the fact that a lot of people now use these types of phones as monitors for photography and video production as I do. I use DSLR Controller and have no problem with crushing. Using the phone as a monitor has been extremely helpful and negated the expense of something which would have cost over 10 times the price.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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I think the gallery uses a different color gradient and temperature than the stock ICS browser, much as if you view a rich encoded black contrast video on the stock video player and on a custom app video player like MX player... you get varying results...
I think this issue is a mix of both a hardware and software one, and though the Official ICS upgrade "might" alleviate this problem, I surely believe also that since this is a combination of a hardware problem, the clippings are still there but perhaps not quite noticeable anymore....
OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks
stevegee111 said:
OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks
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Did you try adjusting the focus wheel?
Yes - the focus wheel had little to no effect. Almost as if it was there for show.
Possibly broken but remember it's only a QHD screen so there will be pixels visable. We need to wait for 8k screens... I love me gearvr and amazed our phones offer this ability
-= Note 4 & Gear VR =-
Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home
Wondering - Has anyone loaded on hd rips of movies and watched them vs the trailers that they have pre-loaded?
Is the quality improved? Maybe their trailers are low bit rate. Thanks
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Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home
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Doesn't sound broke. I can always see the red/green/blue in pixels when focused. It always reminded me of CRT TVs.
I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.
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I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.
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I see them pretty clearly
They are visible if you focus your attention on them. Once you focus your mind on video or game they disappear.
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I believe focus issues have a lot to do with the alignment of your eyes and the 3D effect. If you eyes are not aligned properly then the 3D effect may create a double image
Also I've noticed the eyepad with the nose bridge included positions the device on your face for better focus.
Another issue is just getting used to a slightly screen door image. Also remenber these movies et al are largely in FHD not QHD and that is also hurting the experience.
If your phone is rooted you can also increase the DPI which may help with pixel size.
Part of enjoying this is your brain just getting used to it. I find that focusing tightly on what I'm looking at as opposed to generally staring in a direction helps focus. Its not that focus with the unit is poor so much as the 3D tech is imperfectly tuned for each person. Also I think we've come to expect 3D things to jump out at us; however thus is not the effect 3D has in real life. In real life 3D merely adds depth and that is what this does more than in your face hollywood 3D.
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Ok maybe a little dramatic but still - a little disappointing.
I have done a few tests. Played the exact same HDR YouTube videos at the exact same time with my Mate 9 and Mate 10 one above the other in landscape mode. The Mate 9 is MUCH brighter than the Mate 10 on maximum brightness. I have factored turning off auto brightness and turned off Smart resolution etc etc. They also have different colour temperatures even if you set them both to warm, default or cold - they still look different.
I have tried HDR videos on both phones and I see absolutely no difference. I studied the colours so hard. I see absolutely no difference between a 1440p video and a 1080p video playing at the same time. In fact, most times the Mate 9 looks sharper and more vibrant. Also shockingly the Mate 9 offered for example 1080p 60fps option on a video whereas the Mate 10 offered maximum 720p 60fps on the same video. 1080p was nowhere in the list. What the hec! Battery at 100% so no resolution switching to save power.
Basically, it is true 1440p is wasted on a phone. There is no difference on a small screen such as a phone. All these people saying "yeah but X phone only has a 1080p screen" don't realise that it doesn't really matter. It all looks the same.
So I hear the Mate 10 is HDR 10 compatible and yet I don't see it with my eyes. If I am doing something wrong and someone wants to correct me, please DO. I want to be wrong.
What are your tests and opinions?
Despite all this, I still love the phone. ?
I take it all back.
I have discovered YouTube does not show HDR10 output even if the video says so.
ONLY the built in video player supports true HDR10 content.
I downloaded these HDR sample videos from an XDA post:
https://mega.nz/#F!jYwlgbBA!piXwD8sYa7zjsRtjStuAyw
Play them in the default video player and they look stunning. I took a screenshot of a paused video and when opened up in gallery, the colours were bland compared to the actual playing footage. Proof enough.
Phew! This phone is amazing!
Do you get higher peak brightness when in vivid mode ?
AFAIK - Currently Netflix is the only third party app supporting HDR 10 for this phone
Youtube coming soon though,
So, you might want to change your thread title, LoL
tboy2000 said:
I take it all back.
I have discovered YouTube does not show HDR10 output even if the video says so.
ONLY the built in video player supports true HDR10 content.
I downloaded these HDR sample videos from an XDA post:
https://mega.nz/#F!jYwlgbBA!piXwD8sYa7zjsRtjStuAyw
Play them in the default video player and they look stunning. I took a screenshot of a paused video and when opened up in gallery, the colours were bland compared to the actual playing footage. Proof enough.
Phew! This phone is amazing!
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i try the videos there,look extremely amazing with very excellent vivid colors
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Ok maybe a little dramatic but still - a little disappointing.
I have done a few tests. Played the exact same HDR YouTube videos at the exact same time with my Mate 9 and Mate 10 one above the other in landscape mode. The Mate 9 is MUCH brighter than the Mate 10 on maximum brightness. I have factored turning off auto brightness and turned off Smart resolution etc etc. They also have different colour temperatures even if you set them both to warm, default or cold - they still look different.
I have tried HDR videos on both phones and I see absolutely no difference. I studied the colours so hard. I see absolutely no difference between a 1440p video and a 1080p video playing at the same time. In fact, most times the Mate 9 looks sharper and more vibrant. Also shockingly the Mate 9 offered for example 1080p 60fps option on a video whereas the Mate 10 offered maximum 720p 60fps on the same video. 1080p was nowhere in the list. What the hec! Battery at 100% so no resolution switching to save power.
Basically, it is true 1440p is wasted on a phone. There is no difference on a small screen such as a phone. All these people saying "yeah but X phone only has a 1080p screen" don't realise that it doesn't really matter. It all looks the same.
So I hear the Mate 10 is HDR 10 compatible and yet I don't see it with my eyes. If I am doing something wrong and someone wants to correct me, please DO. I want to be wrong.
What are your tests and opinions?
Despite all this, I still love the phone.
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Of course it's the same because mate 10 comes preset to 1080p lol. And stop listening to tech reviewers the are dumb, only way to see it 1080p and 2k is to use magnifying object like camera or glass etc. I have iPhone 7 plus, LG G6, Moto Z play, Essential phone and the s8 which I sold because of burn in, I don't see the dots pixel on any off them because I don't look for it, they all looks the same some are brighter and vibrant than others. That's it.
Another thing, the max brightness on auto is superior than the manual max brightness. That happen on a bunch of smartphones.
So, it's dumb to compare max brightness with the auto setting turned off.
The best way to compare it, is going outdoor with the auto checked on both and look which one seems brighter.
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I would like to make this into a discussion, the topic is Netflix content on the OnePlus 7 Pro and any other smartphone with a HDR Netflix certification.
Here are my thoughts:
As we all know, the OP7 Pro made it on the list of Netflix HDR HD supported devices. What does this mean? If you don't unlock the bootloader (or use a modded version of Netflix) you will not be able to watch that "crisp" high definition HDR content on your phone. I am okey with that, it's a choice everybody can make. What I do not like at all is how Netflix advertises their HD content towards people who own devices like the OnePlus 7 Pro, Samsung Galaxy S10 etc, devices with good, QHD+ resolution displays. Why? You might have noticed that Netflix never mentioned the term "FHD, QHD, UHD", only "SD, HD, HDR". They keep talking about a mobile cinema experience thanks to HDR on your mobile device, which does include tablets by the way, without telling the users that even though they own a device that can can display a high pixel count like the OnePlus 7 Pro. To give you a comparison, this is what your OnePlus 7 Pro can actually show versus what Netflix allows the consumer to see:
OnePlus 7 Pro (3120 x 1440)
4.49 Million*Pixels (4492800 to be precise)
High Definition HDR Content (1280 x 720)
0.92 Million Pixels ( 921600 pixels)
That is the maximum resolution Netflix sends to your phone, not a single pixel more than that. Is HDR nice to have? Yes it is, it's a good compromise when it comes to image quality and the amount of data. Am I, a consumer who pays 16$ per month for the UHD Netflix subscription disappointed? Hell yeah. 5G is coming this year and Netflix decides that tHe hUmAn eYe cAn't sEE aBoVe 720p 29.99FPS. Jokes aside, I think that it is time that they allow higher resolution for mobile devices, I don't need 4K right away on a screen where I can't even see that many pixels, but I did some testing and compared two 720p Netflix streamed movies to a 1080p non-HDR and a 4K offline version (18GB file from a BluRay) and even though 720p HDR might look pretty close to 1080p non-HDR it definetly can't compete with content which can use the screens full potentíal. And considering that 5G is already or almost here, depending on your region, it would be very sad if Netflix decided not to offer content in 1440p or even UHD for smartphones and tablets.
What are your thoughts? Share them with us!
Maybe it's not due to HDR but I was comparing streams of an episode of Bodyguard on Netflix on my 7 Pro and Note 9, both full brightness, playing at the same time and I have to say the 7 Pro blows the Note 9 out of the water. I could see more details from the shadows on the 7 pro but both streams definitely looked Full HD at least.
roaduardo said:
Maybe it's not due to HDR but I was comparing streams of an episode of Bodyguard on Netflix on my 7 Pro and Note 9, both full brightness, playing at the same time and I have to say the 7 Pro blows the Note 9 out of the water. I could see more details from the shadows on the 7 pro but both streams definitely looked Full HD at least.
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Netflix offers a few test video files which can go up to 4K, you can check which resolution is actually the highest for your device
https://www.netflix.com/title/80018499?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=cp
Is there any indication where it tells your it's playing in HDR?
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Is there any indication where it tells your it's playing in HDR?
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Yeah, if HDR content is playing. Phones (I only have Samsung and OnePlus to check) will change their color profile to natural. So if you set it to something like vibrant, then exit a HDR video then you will see color looks very different form vibrant profile.
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What I hate is the fact that they allow 1080p on iPhones but not on android anymore. I say anymore because Im pretty sure Netflix with 4.x.x something suporrted 1080p streaming. For what ever reason they removed it. Just be like YouTube and let me select the resolution ffs. I don't even pay for YouTube yet they have better support for HD content.
Seems that it doesn't really matter (at least to me). My eyes can see some great detail in people's faces and other objects on my phone's display. To my eyes, that's plenty of HD to me. *shrugs*
I checked my FF browser and it's showing full HD. That's actually where I watch 90% of my Netflix (and Amazon) streams, anyway. But this is an interesting topic, nonetheless.
After Netflix removed the ctrl-alt-shft-s command for no apparent reason than a big F-you to its customers, I will return to piracy before I upgrade to 4K/HDR from my current FHD plan. Without that command to lock in bit-rate even 1080P is iffy on my 100 Mb fiber connection. I hope the Disney+/Hulu or Warner/HBO/ATT plan is competitive because Netflix is really starting to piss me off.
Back on topic, does HDR really make a big difference on a tiny screen?
Is it possible to watch Netflix in hd with unlocked bootloader on phone?
Is it possible to watch Netflix in hd with unlocked bootloader on phone?
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No way and probably won't happen.
There are movies in 1080 you can watch on OP7P on Netflix. They are encoded using VP9 and Netflix said they are slowly encoding more movies to be available in 1080 on mobile.
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stehova said:
Does Netflix return to HD if you re-lock the bootloader?
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Yes, L1 is restored when u relock bootloader. So you can have HD Netflix again
Don't do it. After dinner research if you try and lock your bootloader after the OS s been modified you'll brick your phone.
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stehova said:
Does Netflix return to HD if you re-lock the bootloader?
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If you flash back to stock then relock your bootloader you will have L1 back. Do not relock without out being completely stock though or you will perma brick.
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If you flash back to stock then relock your bootloader you will have L1 back. Do not relock without out being completely stock though or you will perma brick.
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Just DON'T FLASH PERSIST.IMG , that will break the L1 forever , I did that , and even when the support restored stock , the L1 was gone .
It annoys me, I want to watch movies and TV series in good quality. So I give them money for a subscription expecting proper quality in return, but I get Full HD? I don't know. I used to watch very few soap operas, because I worked a lot. But during last year's quarantine, I switched to working remotely. And then there was a lot of time. I didn't have the money for paid subscriptions, and so I went to 123 movies. The platform surprised me with its picture and sound quality, there is a very high picture resolution.
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No way and probably won't happen.
There are movies in 1080 you can watch on OP7P on Netflix. They are encoded using VP9 and Netflix said they are slowly encoding more movies to be available in 1080 on mobile.
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From oos 11 beta 3 and up,,you got L1 work even you unlock and root,,, mine with unlock bootloader, and root