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HTC one... what could have been.

Love this phone, but the lack of a good camera killed it for me. Takes terrible pics. But on a higher note I got 4g in my neighborhood now! Yeah buddy
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I don't get it.. Am I missing something?

Get what?
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Get what?
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The point of this thread? The camera issue is old news

Ya, this seems like more of a FB post... but.. XDA isn't FB! Lol

booooooo!!!!!

Like you decided to make a thread about the camera when you could have posted the same thing in one of the open threads....

I, for one, love this camera. It takes pictures where no other phone can. The only smartphone camera that I would prefer over it is the new iPhone 5S camera, which was released half a year later.

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I, for one, love this camera. It takes pictures where no other phone can. The only smartphone camera that I would prefer over it is the new iPhone 5S camera, which was released half a year later.
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I think they are both crap I cant wait till we get something awesome like the nokia built into that windows phone i want a 41 mp camera or whatever insane number it is... Thats something i cant wait to see for androids...

Pneuma1985 said:
I think they are both crap I cant wait till we get something awesome like the nokia built into that windows phone i want a 41 mp camera or whatever insane number it is... Thats something i cant wait to see for androids...
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Don't know if we're going to see another PureView-esque camera for a while. I just don't think the profit margins or demand are out there to justify anything beyond the incremental bumps in MP count we've been seeing 4 to 5, 5, to 8, 8 to 13, etc.). Might be nice, but to be honest I'd rather see improvements in battery tech right now.
That being said, point of thread is a little confusing.

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Don't know if we're going to see another PureView-esque camera for a while. I just don't think the profit margins or demand are out there to justify anything beyond the incremental bumps in MP count we've been seeing 4 to 5, 5, to 8, 8 to 13, etc.). Might be nice, but to be honest I'd rather see improvements in battery tech right now.
That being said, point of thread is a little confusing.
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Well battery tech has come quite a long way in the past 5 years... This being a clear example of that http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153614-new-lithium-ion-battery-design-thats-2000-times-more-powerful-recharges-1000-times-faster So batteries have come a long way and continue to get advancements about every 2 years or so. But yeah I'd like to see all the beast tech put into one phone.

Providing a truly great camera would increase the price of the device by too high a margin. Why do you think the N5 has the same camera as the 4? To keep costs down. When you get right to it, everybody wants everything in one device, but don't want to pay a grand for it. So, something has to give. The N5 has a better processor, screen, connectivity, and gorilla glass. They couldn't upgrade the camera too, without losing the 399 pricepoint. So......I haven't seen a device yet that doesn't have umpteen threads about the camera being less than marketed. Whattayagonnado

Well sorry that I created so much drama opening this thread. Just the camera is so disappointing. Sorry had to vent.
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What could have been.... Same focus on camera but with 8 ultra pixel instead (or whatever it's called) removable battery so extended batteries could be made and used, micro sd slot, dedicated camera button (don't know why that is going away).
Subwoofer, 5.1 surround, slide out gamepad, stylus that doubles as a microphone so I could do karaoke games my phone,.... Lol sorry couldn't resist but the above paragraph is what I'm hoping they do next or at least Samsung adds stereo speakers to their next phone hopefully the s5
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I love this camera.
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The camera sucks for people with the purple-tint issue... I've seen examples - even those with a mild hardware defect have foggy-looking pics and may not exactly see much purple tint in them. If your pictures suck, prove it so we can determine it isn't defective and not just the photographer.
I'm a photographer - not making my living with it, but certainly more knowledgeable and skilled than the average person. This camera is great. It can be a little quirky and it takes a little getting used to, but it's far better than any mobile camera I've used. The shallow depth of field is a nice thing to have for macros or some "artsy" pics. The clarity is great, but yes, snapping into light greatly diminishes the dynamic range - this is true for any camera but I'll agree this is worse off on this one. The gains in low-light performance are far better than most other mobile cameras and as long as you didn't get stuck with a defective unit, this phone rocks.
In regards to the 41 pureview camera request... wtf are you thinking? The ONLY benefit this gives is superior digital zoom/cropping possibilities. adding more pixels does nothing more than give you room to crop or enlarge. For perspective, 3MP is what is needed for 4x6 prints without any cropping. This means the 4 MP camera is plenty to print from, although not much for enlargements. I HAVE printed 8x10s from the HTC One and they've looked great. Pixels and image quality are unrelated, despite what years of digital camera marketing teams want you to believe.

I think the One's camera makes a really great companion to a more proper camera like a DSLR. When I went to New Zealand recently the two cameras played off of each other quite well. The DSLR for zoomed shots that I had time to compose and the One for quick snaps where a really wide angle and speed was best. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't have the purple tint issue, and even if I did it's really easy to correct, I go in and tweak white balance and colors on most of my pics anyway.

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I think the One's camera makes a really great companion to a more proper camera like a DSLR. When I went to New Zealand recently the two cameras played off of each other quite well. The DSLR for zoomed shots that I had time to compose and the One for quick snaps where a really wide angle and speed was best. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't have the purple tint issue, and even if I did it's really easy to correct, I go in and tweak white balance and colors on most of my pics anyway.
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Well said, however I don't think you fully understand the purple tint issue. White balancing isn't correcting the problem at all. It appears to fade in from the edges and cover portions of the image like a fog. Others have it randomly scattered in weird patterns. White balancing would worsen the portions of the image that aren't affected, if it does anything at all. I'm convinced it's a hardware problem after watching a YouTube video of a One owner showing the issue on his torn apart HTC One. When he put his finger behind the camera heatsink to help dissipate the heat, the purple tint went away. When he let go of it and let it get warm again, the issue worsened. Fortunately, I don't have the issue. But others have shown how this is a serious problem and white balancing likely won't do any good to fix it.

This is a galaxy s4 camera vs HtcOne camera I can't complain at all. These are the One
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3T vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Yes it's an older phone, but any folks that made the jump to a 3T able to provide some pros and cons? Are the cameras comparable? How about audio quality? Anything similar to Samsung Kids Mode that limits available apps and amount of time to use? Anything similar to the "dual camera" mode that does a simultaneous selfie and rear facing shot?
Thanks in Advance
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software wise oneplus 3t is pretty stock therefore it doesnt have all these software features. you could try to check if any such apps are available on play store.
hardware wise it beats galaxy note 4 hands down in every department.

3T is far better even in Note 5 and S6 in terms of camera quality, see my screenshot all 16MP cameras but 3T beats the 2 old flagships by capturing more details
Go here and test it yourself :good:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone1=7431&idPhone2=7079&idPhone3=8416

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Yes it's an older phone, but any folks that made the jump to a 3T able to provide some pros and cons? Are the cameras comparable? How about audio quality? Anything similar to Samsung Kids Mode that limits available apps and amount of time to use? Anything similar to the "dual camera" mode that does a simultaneous selfie and rear facing shot?
Thanks in Advance
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software wise oneplus 3t is pretty stock therefore it doesnt have all these software features. you could try to check if any such apps are available on play store.
hardware wise it beats galaxy note 4 hands down in every department.
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Probably sol on the camera shy of finding a 3rd party app.
As far as limiting apps from kids and adults it's as simple as using the app locker located in settings, security & fingerprint, app locker.
Now to answer the last bit of your questions about a kids mode to only allow access at specific times and/or a time limit it's called parenting. If that's to hard then just download a 3rd party app or set up your router with this amount of access time or timeframe as every router has this ability just don't forget to put your phone on a static IP so it continues to work.
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exaflare said:
3T is far better even in Note 5 and S6 in terms of camera quality, see my screenshot all 16MP cameras but 3T beats the 2 old flagships by capturing more details
Go here and test it yourself :good:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone1=7431&idPhone2=7079&idPhone3=8416
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Lol.. I dont know how they took a cartoon picture with these phones.

Blind Camera Shootout Results

Android authority did a blind shootout test where they tested 6 different devices. It's funny hearing how horrible the camera is, but seeing this quickly debunks it as the camera problem as hearsay vs actual testing.
http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-5-camera-shootout-780369/
Tl;Dr..... One Plus 5 came in 2nd.

While the camera is a large part of a phone experience, I think a lot of people went overboard with their anger about the camera. Is it perfect? Nope. But we are in the first weeks of release. It's bound to get better, and I've used this camera on a trip already and it's produced better pics than my previous phones.
It's starting to slowly feel like the dust is settling on the negativity around here.

sodomanaz said:
While the camera is a large part of a phone experience, I think a lot of people went overboard with their anger about the camera. Is it perfect? Nope. But we are in the first weeks of release. It's bound to get better, and I've used this camera on a trip already and it's produced better pics than my previous phones.
It's starting to slowly feel like the dust is settling on the negativity around here.
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I'll be receiving my OnePlus 5 in the mail tomorrow (says fedex), and I will still have my Nexus 6p, cause it hasn't sold on swappa yet. I'll take them both out and do some comparison shots between these two.
I'll probably do default settings, manual settings, and then one edited with Snapseed for both phones.

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I'll be receiving my OnePlus 5 in the mail tomorrow (says fedex), and I will still have my Nexus 6p, cause it hasn't sold on swappa yet. I'll take them both out and do some comparison shots between these two.
I'll probably do default settings, manual settings, and then one edited with Snapseed for both phones.
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Sounds good. There is a camera thread on the forum that I'm sure would appreciate seeing the comparison.

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I'll be receiving my OnePlus 5 in the mail tomorrow (says fedex), and I will still have my Nexus 6p, cause it hasn't sold on swappa yet. I'll take them both out and do some comparison shots between these two.
I'll probably do default settings, manual settings, and then one edited with Snapseed for both phones.
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The 6P destroys it in low light.

B3501 said:
The 6P destroys it in low light.
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That's what I heard.
I might skip the manual mode, and do a comparison of auto, and then Snapseed edited photos. Honestly, anyone who is really giving a crap about their photo quality will do post production work before it's uploaded. So I'm hoping post Snapseed, the 5 will surpass the 6p in lowlights quality. It will be interesting to test nonetheless.

Pixel Camera to Note 8 Camera Thoughts

If you owned a Pixel or Pixel XL previously and now have the Note 8, what are your thoughts on the camera? I adore the camera on the Pixel because without tweaking anything, I know I can get a fantastic picture anytime. No shutter lag, good color, little blur. How's this compare? Anyone who has kids especially, because those moving targets are tricky but important to me!

I've seen countless of comparisons and here is my conclusion:
Daylight - Pixel wins due to better dynamic range
Room light - Somewhat of a tie. Pixel has better dynamic range but can introduce some noise and blurriness due to lack of OIS and high ISO.
Lowlight - Note8 wins here with much less blur, and noise.
Camera app - Note8 wins easily. Pro mode.
Video - Note8 overall wins this category. Better details in 4K mode, and better stabilization in 1440p/1080p mode.
Audio - Easily the Note8/S8. Pixel has a really ****ty mic and Samsung devices often have one of the best mics even better than LG and HTC's.

One thing... The Pixel is a ugly phone. Probably one of the ugliest phone out there. This is coming from a die hard Nexus user. Once they made the pixel I was out for life.
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jason504 said:
One thing... The Pixel is a ugly phone. Probably one of the ugliest phone out there. This is coming from a die hard Nexus user. Once they made the pixel I was out for life.
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Seriously, what does this have to do with the camera?

jal3223 said:
Seriously, what does this have to do with the camera?
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I don't care had to say it.
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Coming from someone who had the pixel, I prefer the note 8 camera better. I think it has to do with the over saturation Samsung does with their picture. They pop and things stand out big time. I know a lot of people don't like this, as its not a true depiction of the subject you are taking a picture of

Has anyone tried loading the Google camera apk with hdr auto that was floating around XDA?

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One thing... The Pixel is a ugly phone. Probably one of the ugliest phone out there. This is coming from a die hard Nexus user. Once they made the pixel I was out for life.
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Random, but okay. I put cases in my phones so I don't care what the back looks like. It's easily the best phone I've ever owned so I don't care about something that is silly to me, like looks. It's a phone. Rarely does anyone care what a phone looks like (except maybe the HTC U11).

Is it worth getting a pixel 2 for the camera or is the note 8 with mods as good?

Is it worth getting a pixel 2 for the camera or is the note 8 with camera mods as good?
I ask this because I am trying to figure out which phone to get, if I am going to spend a small fortune, I don't want to regret it. For me I would consider the note 8, pixel 2 xl, the lg v30 (if the v30 is available in my region), sony xz premium. The iphone x I'd consider, but I'm doubtful unless reviews suggest there is something amazing.
The most important features for me are screen and camera. I do like the note 8 extras, but I could keep my note 5 which I use for vr occasionally, and with my gear 360.
Has anyone installed the exynos zero camera mod and hdr+ google camera port? How well do they work? Are there any video comparisons with these modifications? Also does the Samsung camera sensor have 10 bit colour?
I like taking sunset photographs and low light, dynamic range is probably more important to me than pixel peeping or other characteristics in most photos I take. For my use the note 5 camera with exposure lowered and less noise is preferred when I don't have my Sony dslr.
I'm thinking given the video and camera mods and ports to buy the note 8 exynos if possible ( best hardware) when it's on offer in the future and then just use the hdr+ app and zero camera mod. Any thoughts on this from note 8 owners?
Also is the note 8 worth the price now that you have bought it? Are there any problems?

I can tell you this: when somebody buys a galaxy note, the main atractive should be the s pen and screen size, if these things are not important to you, then get a pixel or v 30 or any good camera phone, simple

Go for The Xperia XZ Premium

I run 2 phones - Pixel XL and the Note 8 - I buy th note 8 because ive always had the note line until the 5 wasnt sold in UK (I imported but lack of SD at time made me sell) and the Note 7 (No reason needed to be given )
The note 8 by far is the best phone i have used from SAMSUNG if you only take into account their products. Pixel XL is for the puriest. I am debating getting the XL2 but wont do so until renewal in Feb next year.
Smartphone cameras these days have reached a point on Flagships where no matter which you go for - You will be impressed.
Id get the Note 8 solely for the extras it offers. Yes its not pure android but custom roms are coming out to help remove bloatware.
Ive had MANY phones in my time and these are the pinnacle of all my experience - For a better feel - Id get the Note 8 - ~JerryRigEverything tore the Pixel 2 apart and it wasnt pretty...

Xz premium paired with 4k hdr TV and vr glasses.
Go XZP, you wont regret it!

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Xz premium paired with 4k hdr TV and vr glasses.
Go XZP, you wont regret it!
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What if he wants a phone that doesn't look like 2012?
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Is it worth getting a pixel 2 for the camera or is the note 8 with camera mods as good?
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I think @winol said it best. Imo the note 8 is the best phone for 2017 period. The reason is simple. It will beat every other phone at most things not all. The iPhone 8 has a better processor, the Pixel has a better camera etc... But in the end the s-pen puts it in a league of its own. Even if you don't always use it. It'll save your a** in a pinch. So if your only criteria is a camera. Go for the Pixel XL.
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I think @winol said it best. Imo the note 8 is the best phone for 2017 period. The reason is simple. It will beat every other phone at most things not all. The iPhone 8 has a better processor, the Pixel has a better camera etc... But in the end the s-pen puts it in a league of its own. Even if you don't always use it. It'll save your a** in a pinch. So if your only criteria is a camera. Go for the Pixel XL.

I have read mixed reviews about the camera in the Pixel....Sorry, I cant even say that name without thinking the Pixel should be sold at Toys-R-Us? No offence I just cannot stand the appearance of the Pixel range as they look like toys. That is a totally subject view so ignore it.
Cameras. Not my forte so cant really add much to the debate. I understand the Note 8 has a decent camera?
As for a mobile phone the Note series is built around the S-pen. I would never even consider a Note if I had no use for that lovely S-pen experience. Its a mouse that makes ones mobile into a pocket PC. NO other mobile yet does that.
Ryland

Pixel 2 is overpriced imo....it's basically an iPhone running Android imo

Inerent said:
Go for The Xperia XZ Premium
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Xz premium paired with 4k hdr TV and vr glasses.
Go XZP, you wont regret it!
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He said he wants a good camera. The camera on the XZ Premium is a steaming pile of CRAP. Complete garbage. Returned that phone within days of getting it because the camera was so bad.

Depends on what you do with your camera. I just want to record a moment with decent color, in focus, and so on without trying. I'm at no time looking to take a picture that will be art although like most people I have from time to time taken some truly great pictures because even a monkey banging on a keyboard will eventually get some Shakespeare. So I think the first thing that comes up is what do you want out of your camera?
As to the XL having a better camera I'm not quite sure that is true. When I look at the comparisons myself and do it blind I will often pick pictures from either camera as being better. The same holds true with the cool-aid device as well, I will pick pictures from both phones as being better when compared side to side. IMO cell phone cameras have just flat become great on the higher end and are better at taking pictures than most of us.
One last thing, Samsung has had one strength in their cameras for the last couple years that in a review a while back was called the fast moving child factor. This is where you pull the phone and immediately snap a pick of a fast moving object like your kids hoping to catch a moment that will soon be gone forever. You're not going to frame that photo, manipulate the objects in it, adjust your setting, you pull your phone and push the button and pray you got it. Samsung gets that one right. The 8 is better than the Pixel by a good margin, cant compare to the Pixel 2 because I don't have one. I did see a review that called out the iphone as being better at that sort of shot than the XL and in turn I know the Note 8 to be as good or better than the iphone in this area. Something to think about.
To go back to the beginning I think for most people the cameras on flagships are becoming a non factor. They're damn good and better at taking photos than their users. If this applies to you then forget about the camera and look at the other features. If the camera is paramount then you may want to widen your scope and consider the Sony.

Nowadays all smarthlones are using sony imx sensor, the diffrence is in software artifacts.
Why XZ Premium? Imx 400!
Iphone8 imx 398, s8 imx333 4k, pixel 2 imx 3xx
Imx400 is a sleeping monster! ?
P. S. XZP when you come home tired and wanna play some 4k hdr 60fps on your brand New 4k hdr smartTV ????

If photography is very important why not do the obvious thing and buy a dedicated prosumer camera?
Music is important to me so I am buying an external DAC-Amp that will enhance the sound from any mobile beyond imagination. Such DAC-Amp's when connected to the USB negate the internal DAC Amp of the mobile allowing a dedicated external device to produce the sound and the mobile is used as the source only.
If one is only mildly interested in music and cameras then any top notch present day flagship mobile should suffice. Its always going to be a question of compromise.
Most high end mobiles use Minolta cameras that are now owned by and called Sony. To that end I would imagine going to the font of the camera, ie Sony, one could not go wrong as they supply most of the trades cameras for mobiles at this level.
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winol said:
I can tell you this: when somebody buys a galaxy note, the main atractive should be the s pen and screen size, if these things are not important to you, then get a pixel or v 30 or any good camera phone, simple
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I agree! I have a Note8 myself because I actually do use the pen features.
If a user wants to get a Galaxy Note device but not use the pen features, they should have instead got a plus-sized Galaxy S series (like the S8+), another Android phone, or even wait for the release of the next Galaxy S series.
What was saddening for me, was when I went to a friend's house last week to fix their PC, and found his wife uses a Note5 with the S Pen intentionally jammed inside the phone (like the top of the pen appeared to have been hammered in), to the point where it can never come out without taking apart the phone. This to me feels like when (insert metaphor here relating to my favourite TV show)
At least, from what I've seen, the Pixel 2 is a better phone for someone who doesn't need pen features on their phone, and would prefer taking photos, plus staying within Google's ecosystem.

Just sideload the pixel camera. It makes the note take much better photos.
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m.w.lawless said:
Just sideload the pixel camera. It makes the note take much better photos.
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Would you mind providing a link for this app?
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The Pixel 2 XL has been having multiple issues with the camera, I'd go with the Note 8. I've had friends that returned it for a new one only to have the same camera issues.

note 8 for me all the way for camera + big screen + spen i sold my s8+ to get note 8 for me it was well worth it i love it and wouldnt have anythin els

For what it's worth, both the Pixel and the iPhones are having quality and reliability issues that the Note 8 isn't.
I'm not a photographer, so I can't expound on the virtues of the Pixel over the Note 8, nor have I even held a Pixel of either generation in my hand. I can say that I am more impressed with the picture quality of my Note 8 than I was with the LG V20, and not just a little bit. I use my phone's camera to capture a moment. If I want to get artsy, I'll grab the Nikon.
A phone is a compromise. Some do better at one thing than another. The LG V series does music better than almost any other phone, for example. I have over 300GB of high resolution music. I don't even consider a phone that doesn't support an SD card.
To get a true reading on what the OP is asking will require true photographers that have experience with the various cameras to check in. There aren't many people that will fit that bill.
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Would you mind providing a link for this app?
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Start here.

Personally I went with the note 8, I had previously the s8 that j was happy with but put it down to try the pixel. While the pixel was great I didn't go with a pixel 2 because of hown Google customer support is. November 1st I was told 3-5 business days to get my replacement cause my pixel was having issues. It is now November 23rd and every 2 days I get told theres no updates wait another 48 hours because they cannot in their words allocate a replacement device for me. I was waiting to get the pixel 2 but after this experience I went and got a note 8 and I love it couldn't be happier best Sammy device I've used and best Android I've used.
I've used the s5, HTC one m8, nexus 5, s7 edge note edge, pixel and one plus 5

For what it's worth I own the note 8 and recently purchased the original pixel XL 128gb and I am absolutely in love with the pixel XL. That said the note 8 is an amazing device and the camera is great. However the pixel 2 XL is just better. I'll be getting the 2xl soon to go with my note 8.