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So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
sleze said:
So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
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Same speed for me.
Battery seems the same.
Gestures are worthless.
sleze said:
So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
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Seems about the same speed/battery life for me.
The recent apps view is a big step backwards to me, the side scrolling cards is not as easy nor helpful as the vertical view was. I still think Samsung's multiwindow mode is better than Google's and I do not think 9.0 improved it.
Adding a dark theme is nice, but implementation is inconsistent. I am surprised basic things like the settings pages do not use it. But it is nice for the keyboard, messages, and phone.
I'd agree the new pill gesture setup isn't great. The motorola fingerprint gestures is nicer.
The tiny settings icon in the notification drop-down is annoying enough I've given up on it.
Other than some other gui changes (icons and the like), it isn't that different from 8.1.
That's kind of the impression I have been getting for a while. Our phones already have great battery life and moto actions.
I am losing excitement for this update...
It was faster, the battery runs faster than 8.1, I do not like gestures, even though I feel that applications still need to be polished for Pie.
Return to 8.1 for these last two dimensions.
Just installed the update tonight. Performance-wise, it feels the same. Don't know yet about the battery life, since I just got it about an hour ago.
I also found that the pill gesture setup was not up to par. It doesn't add anything extra to the original setup. It still occupies the same bottom screen space.
Dark mode is nice, but I wish it was implemented system wide instead of just by individual app. But probably this depends more on the app developers. But even system apps such as settings don't always have the dark mode.
Lastly, to access the gear settings icon, now you have to pull the notifications bar twice. Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it used to be just once?
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Lastly, to access the gear settings icon, now you have to pull the notifications bar twice. Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it used to be just once?
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Yes. I noticed this too. The gear was accessible from the notification bar.
I pretty much agree with what others have said so far. Based either on actual speed improvements, tweaks to the animations, or the update placebo effect, 9.0 does feel a bit snappier switching between apps than 8.1.
The only thing I don't like is that the update seems to have made SwiftKey fonts bigger which is mildly annoying.
Pretty disappointed with this version of Android. The recent apps is now destroyed. It's a worse way to interact with your recent apps. Don't even bother with the gestures. Totally half baked. One button nav is superior in every way. The notification pull down is just hideous. The clock is on the wrong side and no way to change it. Why there's no way to change it is beyond stupid. The dark theme option is extremely inconsistent. Won't even darken the settings window for instance. You now have to pull the notification share down twice to access settings versus only one with Oreo. Seems that we've lost a lot of functionality and are being told it's a feature. Perfect example are the volume controls. What a joke.
The whole thing just looks like an iPhone rip off. And the general graphic style sucks. Material design is dead.
Performance and battery seem to stay the same. Overall a poor effort from Google on this. Going to have to root this thing so I can deal with some of the idiotic things they decided to go with. Worst Android update since I can remember. Can't wait to go back to Oreo.
A couple more observations. The volume bar is now on the right side of the screen, next to the volume buttons. It also allows direct access to sound settings. I don't mind this as it feels more intuitive to me. If you long press the power button, now there's an option to take screenshot. I like this since I don't have to fumble again with two hands to take screenshot.
A big change is split screen. Previously, you can just long press the overview button to use split screen. Now you have to tap the overview button (or swipe up from the pill, if you use that), then long press on the icon on top of the app, then select split screen. If you use split screen a lot, this change is annoying to say the least.
cpthornman said:
The clock is on the wrong side and no way to change it.
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That change throws me off. I keep looking for the clock on the right side. And I agree with you; Google copied some of iOS UI while kept some of their own, making it an inconsistent experience.
Fingerprint Lock
I can no longer lock my phone using the fingerprint sensor. I think this is a bug because it is selected in the "Lock Screen Preferences" settings but it does not lock the phone. This may seem like a small thing but it completely disrupts how I'm used to using the phone. I'm using the Google Fi Android One version.
mandarip said:
I can no longer lock my phone using the fingerprint sensor. I think this is a bug because it is selected in the "Lock Screen Preferences" settings but it does not lock the phone. This may seem like a small thing but it completely disrupts how I'm used to using the phone. I'm using the Google Fi Android One version.
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I am on the same version, and it works ok for me.
Edit: I am using One Button Nav
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I am on the same version, and it works ok for me.
Edit: I am using One Button Nav
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I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
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I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
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If you have the Android One variant, one button nav is disabled on it.
jb2112 said:
If you have the Android One variant, one button nav is disabled on it.
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Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
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I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
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It is disabled in A1 version. You can get the option enabled by removing the following prop:
ro.mot.android_one
If you are using Magisk, there is a module that you can use for this:
MagiskHide Props Config
Confirmed that this works on Oreo and Pie.
Edit: updated 12/27
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Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
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Fingerprint lock works on my Android One model without one button nav. Have you tried removing and adding your fingerprints again?
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Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
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Fingerprint lock still works for me though. I also have A1 variant.
This update is underwhelming for me little changes that are just seemingly random and pointless. I'm especially disappointed that the update broke Google pay , prior to pie I've been taking ota's fine with no impact on gpay.
Jizzylax said:
Fingerprint lock works on my Android One model without one button nav. Have you tried removing and adding your fingerprints again?
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Yep tried that. It's weird because I can unlock the phone with my fingerprint but I can't lock it again. It's obviously recognizing the fingerprint but not for locking purposes.
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It is disabled in A1 version. You can get the option by removing the following prop:
ro.mot.android_one
I toggled it off and the fingerprint lock works. I would be curious to hear from others...
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I haven't rooted this phone yet, but this will be the first thing I do if I go that route.
I've been using a OnePlus 6T and Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 regularly and have become very much so used to swiping to go home, back, recents, etc. In fact, picking up my old Pixel 2 XL feels like a step back in terms of usage.
I understand there are apps that can mimic the gestures, but they aren't always 100% and can sometimes cause issues (Fluid N.G. definitely doesn't work 100% of the time and can be clunky feeling). The native gestures found on OnePlus, Xiaomi, Huawei, all feel great since they were made for the device and what not.
Based on every bit of footage I've seen thus far on the Galaxy S10/S10+, there are navigation buttons by default. Does anyone know if Samsung has made any gesture navigation to use instead of the buttons? I never thought I'd get used to using gestures but now I can't go back.
Cheers!
Yep Samsung does. Slightly different then others, but basically swipe up on left side to go back, swipe up middle for home, and swipe up on right side to go to recent apps. That is provided you have the navigation orientation the way it's supposed to be with back button on left and recents on right. Swipe up and hold middle for Google assistant
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Personally I am not a fan of the Samsung gestures and 3 swipe zones can be complicated if you use different hands at times. It is one of the cons I am considering for getting the S10 as I would have to install fluid if I got one
you can completely hide navigations buttons in android pie - samsung - and use gesture (swipe left, right up down)
i am using them and it was difficult at first and i still get the random misfire but is better as you get 100% screen no button bars
you can find this option in settings
GMD gesture control does this and much more. I use it for years.
tiho5 said:
GMD gesture control does this and much more. I use it for years.
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This also requires root though.
steelersmb said:
This also requires root though.
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That's true, yes.
On the play store there is an app called edge gestures and there's also one made by Francisco named fluid ng. Both are very good.
as for Samsung gestures you can get a good preview on how it works here. https://youtu.be/KptBndWmvqY
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as for Samsung gestures you can get a good preview on how it works here.
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Are the Samsung gestures always on by default or one can turn them off?
ikenvape said:
On the play store there is an app called edge gestures and there's also one made by Francisco named fluid ng. Both are very good.
as for Samsung gestures you can get a good preview on how it works here. https://youtu.be/KptBndWmvqY
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I second that Fluid NG is a great piece of work. Kudos to the dev.
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Are the Samsung gestures always on by default or one can turn them off?
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No, it's stock button layout. You can enable the gestures if you so choose.
Talking about gesture, anyone know how to activate/how works the gesture to close an app?
I can see it on a few videos but can't replicate it for some reason? Are we suppose to swipe up a few times?
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Talking about gesture, anyone know how to activate/how works the gesture to close an app?
I can see it on a few videos but can't replicate it for some reason? Are we suppose to swipe up a few times?
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You just swipe from the middle once.
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You just swipe from the middle once.
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Do you need to activate it?
I'm not talking about the bottom swipe, I'm talking about apparently anywhere on the screen swipe.
i switched from iphone x to s10
and am using the samsung gestures + FluidNG , but limited the Fluid Gestures to only back from left and right parts of the screen the same as i do with the iphone , so now everything is good without the need for ROOT etc..
Try the Good Lock app from Samsung Galaxy Store. The app gathers all the enhancement software from Samsung in it. The one hand operation + uses gesture and is configurable.
After the update to Android Pie, I realized I can't hide the Navigation bar anymore (in order to use hand gestures using "One Hand Operation +) .
I was able to at least apply ADB immersive mode to all my apps. However, that doesnt get rid of the navigation bar on my home screen.
I was hoping someone can suggest a good supplemental app that specifically focuses on removing the navigation buttons from my home screen. I've tried a couple Nav bar removal apps. However, they seem to still focus on immersive mode and adding white lists to immersive mode only.
I would appreciate any useful suggestions.
You should be able to hide navigation bar simply by changing to full screen gestures in Settings. If it doesn't it could due to earlier customisation. See if you can revert it back to default. Also wipe cache partition helps with issue after the updates
Yep, just enable full screen gestures and the nav bar will be gone and stay gone
Thanks. Yes, that's the first thing I did, until I quickly realized that I didn't like the native full-screen gestures capabilities of Pie. One Hand Operation + does a MUCH better job for gestures IMO.
Gunde said:
Yep, just enable full screen gestures and the nav bar will be gone and stay gone
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Download full screen gestures by xda, give it adb permission and you can safely hide the nav bar (make sure to have it enabled first). Hope it helps
Thanks. The full-screen gestures app from XDA doesnt support lanscape mode, at least when I tried it. That's why I switched to One Hand Operation +" which does gestures very well. I'm already using the ADB to enable immersive mode to auto-hide the navigation bar.
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Download full screen gestures by xda, give it adb permission and you can safely hide the nav bar (make sure to have it enabled first). Hope it helps
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mkanet said:
Thanks. Yes, that's the first thing I did, until I quickly realized that I didn't like the native full-screen gestures capabilities of Pie. One Hand Operation + does a MUCH better job for gestures IMO.
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I agree. I use full screen gestures to hide nav bar but only actually use One Hand Operation+ for gestures
I'm glad you brought that up. This is exactly what i attempted to do. However, for some reason, Pie Full-Screen gestures will break One Hand Operations + "Right handle" in landscape mode after enabling it for a little while. It looks like a conflict of some kind.
Could you please test One Hand Operations + in Landscape mode WHILE Pie Full-screen gestures is also enabled? The right handle stops working for after a little while of use. I really wish I could figure out a way for both of them to run without conflicts in Landscape mode.
I dont think this happens in One Hand Operations Portrait mode.
Gunde said:
I agree. I use full screen gestures to hide nav bar but only actually use One Hand Operation+ for gestures
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mkanet said:
I'm glad you brought that up. This is exactly what i attempted to do. However, for some reason, Pie Full-Screen gestures will break One Hand Operations + "Right handle" in landscape mode after enabling it for a little while. It looks like a conflict of some kind.
Could you please test One Hand Operations + in Landscape mode WHILE Pie Full-screen gestures is also enabled? The right handle stops working for after a little while of use. I really wish I could figure out a way for both of them to run without conflicts in Landscape mode.
I dont think this happens in One Hand Operations Portrait mode.
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Huh. You are right. I almost never use landscape so hadn't noticed ...
Weird issue. Will hooefully be fixed in a future version of OHO+
Thanks for confirming. I don't think I can count on OHO+ ever fixing this bug... since there's no good way to report this bug to the developers.
I probably would be okay with using the native Pie fullscreen gestures. However, oddly it doesn't have haptic feedback for some reason.
Gunde said:
Huh. You are right. I almost never use landscape so hadn't noticed ...
Weird issue. Will hooefully be fixed in a future version of OHO+
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You can also try the oneplus gestures app on the play store, you give it adb permission, hide the nav bar, but at the same time keep the oneplus gestures disabled, I'm sure it can work for you
Thanks for the tip. The One + Gestures app looks very similar to the XDA Navigation Gestures app.
There's also an app on the Play Store called, Hide Navigation Bar that ONLY hides the navigation bar using the same technique via ADB without any extra features I won't use.
Does anyone have any experience using the above apps' technique via ADB to hide the Navigation bar on the Note 9? To be honest, I'm a little nervous to try this method to hide the Navigation bar; since there are warnings of unpredictable results for certain features on Samsung hardware... like hiding the last row of pixels of the Navigation bar. It would be good to know from someone who's already tried this on their Note 9 what issues to expect. Also, I'm curious if there's any chance I could irreversibly break an OS component on my phone.
EDIT: I finally tried Hide Navigation Bar. It worked perfectly on my Note 9. I think it might be the only app that hides the navigation bar completely WITHOUT trying to add it's own gesture support. this allows me to use my favorite gestures app, One Hand Operation + (which uses edge gestures, even in landscape, instead of trying to do it the way iphone does).
The only minor issue is that the area that used to be the navigation bar cannot be used for app icons on the home screen. However, in applications themselves, that area is completely useable.
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You can also try the oneplus gestures app on the play store, you give it adb permission, hide the nav bar, but at the same time keep the oneplus gestures disabled, I'm sure it can work for you
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Not sure if this is the right place for this but does anyone know if this adb command still works to restore 2 button nav now that the 4XL has been released?
adb shell cmd overlay enable com.android.internal.systemui.navbar.twobutton
I've been trying to use full gesture nav since I got my 4XL a few days ago and I hate it. Looking for any way possible to get the pill back.
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Not sure if this is the right place for this but does anyone know if this adb command still works to restore 2 button nav now that the 4XL has been released?
adb shell cmd overlay enable com.android.internal.systemui.navbar.twobutton
I've been trying to use full gesture nav since I got my 4XL a few days ago and I hate it. Looking for any way possible to get the pill back.
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If you go into settings on your Pixel and search for Navigation - you will see there is an option to turn off Gestures and use the old Navigation - I prefer that way much better too - can't get used to Gestures - at least you have the option to use it when you want and go back to the old way when you want.
Hope that helps.
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If you go into settings on your Pixel and search for Navigation - you will see there is an option to turn off Gestures and use the old Navigation - I prefer that way much better too - can't get used to Gestures - at least you have the option to use it when you want and go back to the old way when you want.
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That's the first place I went but the 4 XL only gives you the 3 button option and I don't want to go back to that either. Feels like a rock and a hard place.
I believe that Artem from Android Police stated that the adb command no longer works, I'll see if I can dig it up.
https://twitter.com/ArtemR/status/1184961291758104576
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If you go into settings on your Pixel and search for Navigation - you will see there is an option to turn off Gestures and use the old Navigation - I prefer that way much better too - can't get used to Gestures - at least you have the option to use it when you want and go back to the old way when you want.
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Thank you for this. I was so lost the first day with my Pixel 4 with those dang gestures, but started getting used to them. Lets see if I like now the old way back. :good:
Ok found issue with old navigation. Anybody know how to clear all apps? I have to swipe each one and don't see the clear all button.
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MicroMod777 said:
Thank you for this. I was so lost the first day with my Pixel 4 with those dang gestures, but started getting used to them. Lets see if I like now the old way back. :good:
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Try fluid ng. That's what I use.
Tulsadiver said:
Try fluid ng. That's what I use.
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Fng is so much better than the built in gesture navigation.
uicnren said:
I believe that Artem from Android Police stated that the adb command no longer works, I'll see if I can dig it up.
https://twitter.com/ArtemR/status/1184961291758104576
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Ughhh. That sucks.
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If you go into settings on your Pixel and search for Navigation - you will see there is an option to turn off Gestures and use the old Navigation - I prefer that way much better too - can't get used to Gestures - at least you have the option to use it when you want and go back to the old way when you want.
Hope that helps.
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Ah man, thanks for this! I've really been trying to get used to using the gestures, but I need a break! I have found for the most part the gestures work for most things, but for others it seems a bit buggy, so it's nice to have options and totally missed this setting to switch back and forth so thanks:good:
MicroMod777 said:
Thank you for this. I was so lost the first day with my Pixel 4 with those dang gestures, but started getting used to them. Lets see if I like now the old way back. :good:
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Man, same here, and I never have used gestures on any device. Worst of all, especially, was getting Recents to come up, but I've gotten used to it now so I'm sticking with it
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Ok found issue with old navigation. Anybody know how to clear all apps? I have to swipe each one and don't see the clear all button.
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Same here using the gesture method.
cliffr39 said:
Same here using the gesture method.
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Bring up recents and scroll to the left and there'll be a link to Clear All
Oh wow learned something new thanks.
Hi guys,
The only way that I know to disable the swipe for assistant gesture is by setting the "Default Digital Assistant" to "None" obviously I have a Pixel and would still like to use the Google Assistant so this isn't very practical. Does anyone know if there is something out there that would make this possible? Let me know!
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Hi guys,
The only way that I know to disable the swipe for assistant gesture is by setting the "Default Digital Assistant" to "None" obviously I have a Pixel and would still like to use the Google Assistant so this isn't very practical. Does anyone know if there is something out there that would make this possible? Let me know!
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With Android 12 you will get the Option to disable it
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With Android 12 you will get the Option to disable it
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That's not necessarily something I'm looking into upgrading too as soon as it comes out though. I'm looking to disable this in Android 11.
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That's not necessarily something I'm looking into upgrading too as soon as it comes out though. I'm looking to disable this in Android 11.
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Maybe someone knows a way with rooting. But on the regular way, there is no way as far as I know.
cdwinchester said:
Maybe someone knows a way with rooting. But on the regular way, there is no way as far as I know.
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I hope someone adds a mod or something. I am rooted and highly interested in disabling it.
Does saying "OK google" work for you?
I also use the 3 navigation and the Edge block app for boarder control.
vandyman said:
Does saying "OK google" work for you?
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I'm more of a "Hey Google" kind of guy, but yes.
vandyman said:
I also use the 3 navigation and the Edge block app for boarder control.
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Are you saying 3 button navigation? What's this Edge block app?
I believe it's in the Typhus_ Magisk module. If so he'd be able to let you know what app exactly it being edited and then it'd take some tweaking most likely in the smali code to enable the MOD without the ROM Control. Or just install the ROM Control + just what's been edited to achieve what you want.
If it is in the MOD, taking a quick look inside I'm guessing either SystemUIGoogle.apk or DevicePersonalizationPrebuiltPixel2020.apk
But I'm drawing a blank if it was in the MOD, And the OP says "Removed side assist handles" not sure if this is it or not.