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The Mate 10 will be my last Huawei phone...

No more unlocked bootloader for you...
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-bootloader-unlocking-869169/

Will be my last too, but more likely due to their update priorities. We pay flagship prices but all promises made at the keynote forgotten, sad.

0alfred0 said:
......, but more likely due to their update priorities. We pay flagship prices but all promises made at the keynote forgotten, sad.
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Beside Pixel and other Phones running stock Android who is doing better???? .....ok, Apple :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Samsung :highfive:
LG
HTC
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and from my persepective it would be hard to find any phone that performance and quality wise would come even close to the Mate's.....
...maybe Treble will provide some improvments but even this is quite doubtfull.

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Beside Pixel and other Phones running stock Android who is doing better???? .....ok, Apple :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Samsung :highfive:
LG
HTC
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and from my persepective it would be hard to find any phone that performance and quality wise would come even close to the Mate's.....
...maybe Treble will provide some improvments but even this is quite doubtfull.
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Just because nobody is doing it better does not make it ok.

0alfred0 said:
Just because nobody is doing it better does not make it ok.
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sure...but what would be the alternative...in case nobody is doing it better, you can stay with Huawei and enjoy the great phones....

i had mate 10 pro.They ****ed up something with the bootoader,there is at least 20 people who broke their device since a month ago while rebranding the phone to another region,all of a sudden from that week they closed bootloader unlocking page ? and now they say they never going to open,really i was happy with my phone but paying 1000$ to get a complete brick after no reason is real bull****.and its not solvable by the way.
I think they somehow made bootloader partition read only or something.and our devices cant be revived with any tool at the moment.im really mad for this nonsense.i even mailled them,write on reddit but no ones care untill their device is broken too

I have the non-pro Mate 10. It may very well be my last Huawei phone...but I will say this....it is, by far, the best phone available that ticks all the boxes for me right now.

reza6d said:
i had mate 10 pro.They ****ed up something with the bootoader,there is at least 20 people who broke their device since a month ago while rebranding the phone to another region,all of a sudden from that week they closed bootloader unlocking page ? and now they say they never going to open,really i was happy with my phone but paying 1000$ to get a complete brick after no reason is real bull****.and its not solvable by the way.
I think they somehow made bootloader partition read only or something.and our devices cant be revived with any tool at the moment.im really mad for this nonsense.i even mailled them,write on reddit but no ones care untill their device is broken too
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Well, you are not supposed to flash unapproved firmwares, so Huawei isn't responsible for that.
And complaining to them about that, would most likely do more damage than good.
When we unlock the bootloader and install stuff like that, we have to assume the risk and responsibility.
I know that in some cases, they replaced the device under warranty, but i doubt that those users told Huawei the whole story! ?

I will sell my Mate in few days.

mate 10 pro will be my only and last Huawei phone. ordered the u12+ and then going to sell the mate

jaseman said:
I have the non-pro Mate 10. It may very well be my last Huawei phone...but I will say this....it is, by far, the best phone available that ticks all the boxes for me right now.
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This. Exactly.

Well... Wrong... I owned the following devices : LG G2, LG G3, LG G4, HTC 10, Galaxy S7, Oneplus 3T, Galaxy S8 and now Mate 10 Pro. I can say that exept the camera this is by far the best phone yet. LG and Samsung are far behind with updates, HTC just simply sucks, OnePlus sucks on support and accesories (in East Europe at least). Battery life on this phone is just amazing, screen quality ok, call quality ok, build quality ok, updates better than Samsung or LG. In my opinion all phones are crap and all have bugs or problems.

mioss said:
Well... Wrong... I owned the following devices : LG G2, LG G3, LG G4, HTC 10, Galaxy S7, Oneplus 3T, Galaxy S8 and now Mate 10 Pro. I can say that exept the camera this is by far the best phone yet. LG and Samsung are far behind with updates, HTC just simply sucks, OnePlus sucks on support and accesories (in East Europe at least). Battery life on this phone is just amazing, screen quality ok, call quality ok, build quality ok, updates better than Samsung or LG. In my opinion all phones are crap and all have bugs or problems.
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I agree 100%, everyone has ups and downs, however Mate 10 definitely made an impact as my daily driver, I used Sony, Samsung, and iPhone in the past and got frustrated with limitation in daily use --- battery and usability.

This is likely my first and last Huawei phone unless they change the way updates are delivered. Maybe Googles Android P Mandate will make Huawei change the way they deliver updates requiring monthly security updates.
As a daily driver it is a great phone. The support is the only thing keeping it down. Face Unlock took way too long to come out for a flagship phone. Lesser phones getting Higher Android versions are also concerning.
Nokia is showing their care very much about support on their phones. And they are on the top of my list for my next phone.

flyingjack said:
sure...but what would be the alternative...in case nobody is doing it better, you can stay with Huawei and enjoy the great phones....
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RabidWolve said:
This is likely my first and last Huawei phone unless they change the way updates are delivered. Maybe Googles Android P Mandate will make Huawei change the way they deliver updates requiring monthly security updates.
As a daily driver it is a great phone. The support is the only thing keeping it down. Face Unlock took way too long to come out for a flagship phone. Lesser phones getting Higher Android versions are also concerning.
Nokia is showing their care very much about support on their phones. And they are on the top of my list for my next phone.
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Hmm my Mate 9 got updated to Oreo long (months) before the S7 , S8 and LG G6
I kept my mate 9 when I got my mate 10... And both are on the April security updates. Both supposedly support treble
I also have a xiaomi mi mix 2 on the April update
So on the second day in June..... What non Google pixel phone are you going to switch to so that you can get more timely updates?
Let me know so that I can switch as well
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Ukiya8 said:
I agree 100%, everyone has ups and downs, however Mate 10 definitely made an impact as my daily driver, I used Sony, Samsung, and iPhone in the past and got frustrated with limitation in daily use --- battery and usability.
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You two are against the grain of this board
I've even seen a poster saying that his S5 took far better pictures than the mate 10
I've been on xda since I first flashed my Samsung omnia in 2008... And this mate 10 board is truly something different to me
I'm happy with my Mate 10 (non pro)... The ai stabilization night shot is already on FF for the Chinese mate 10... So hopefully we get it in a month or two
Btw
I have a C605 mate 10
And a C636 mate 9
Never had any issues getting updates
And now it seems that you get access the update through the stock updater as soon as it's approved
My only real complaints are that:
Even at beauty = 0.. there's still something going on... However it's not a deal breaker
I wish all brands used the OnePlus method of delivering updates... So that a free VPN would be all you need to trigger the update
If Huawei won't realise the official blobs.. then I can do without the bootloader unlock for now
Devs are mostly on snapdragon devices
I actually bought the mi mix 2 so that I could install custom ROMs (cheapest snapdragon 835 I could find).... But the phone is sooooo smooth... That I just installed Nova launcher and I have been using it like that
Smoothest Android device that I've ever used
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Added screenshot of 5.31.18 Chinese mate 10 changeling from FF

Is this a joke? This subforum is just laughable, I usually lurk here for anything new and interesting, instead however I see most of the time is someone complaining about the phone not getting timely updates, "ugh, this is my last Huawei phone" "I hate how slow these updates are rolling out compare to others" "Where is my update, and why does this _____ region have this update but I dont?"
THIS is all I see here being posted whether its a new post or someone making comments on an already existing post. What has this turned into? "Lets complain about Huawei and crappy their support is subforum"?
Like the dude above me, I have been here since 2008 and this is by far probably on par with the Mate 9 subforum here on XDA the worst. No offense but damn!
You want updates in a timely manner? Get a Pixel
You want extensive ROM/Kernel developement with big support? Get a Snapdragon phone.
Simple as that, yeah sucks Huawei is going to shut down its bootloader unlocking service but thats reality and it might be for the better anyways. Yes this is XDA risk are taken but...(Think from Huawei's stand point)
Honestly I could CARE LESS about it. These phones were excellent from the start, I have no complaints whatsoever. Huawei out did themselves in terms of delivering a phone for performance and battery out of the box both 10s and the 9.
I see this more as a daily driver phone, not a phone a flash junkie can have fun with. People making threats saying "Oh im switching out for this _____ phone because of the amount of support and updates it gets" or "I regret getting this phone, support and updates are horrible" Um ok? Cool man as if that'll make a change anywhere, my thing is this, why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
Face unlock update? Dont care about it as much, if I receive it cool.
Not trying to offend everyone here, only those that seem to be impatient and think that we should be getting the latest updates in such quick time frame. Yeah yeah sure you paid premium prices and you expect the world? Not every company is the same, should have done your research if youre really after custom ROM development

Even SD device ain't a guarantee that you'll have community room support, just look at Sony. It is what it is. I bought this device cuz of battery and big amoled screen(un notched) and Huawei delivered. Yeah it got it's flaws but every phone has. As long they don't override pros it's a good purchase....and I'll sure be looking into Mate 20 if they keep the same philosophy as with predecessors.

Limited ROMS on this device and they wanted to lock the bootloader for good. Lol, I'm about to do a clean swap for Oneplus5t, think it will be worth it?

XERO_Racer said:
Is this a joke? This subforum is just laughable, I usually lurk here for anything new and interesting, instead however I see most of the time is someone complaining about the phone not getting timely updates, "ugh, this is my last Huawei phone" "I hate how slow these updates are rolling out compare to others" "Where is my update, and why does this _____ region have this update but I dont?"
THIS is all I see here being posted whether its a new post or someone making comments on an already existing post. What has this turned into? "Lets complain about Huawei and crappy their support is subforum"?
Like the dude above me, I have been here since 2008 and this is by far probably on par with the Mate 9 subforum here on XDA the worst. No offense but damn!
You want updates in a timely manner? Get a Pixel
You want extensive ROM/Kernel developement with big support? Get a Snapdragon phone.
Simple as that, yeah sucks Huawei is going to shut down its bootloader unlocking service but thats reality and it might be for the better anyways. Yes this is XDA risk are taken but...(Think from Huawei's stand point)
Honestly I could CARE LESS about it. These phones were excellent from the start, I have no complaints whatsoever. Huawei out did themselves in terms of delivering a phone for performance and battery out of the box both 10s and the 9.
I see this more as a daily driver phone, not a phone a flash junkie can have fun with. People making threats saying "Oh im switching out for this _____ phone because of the amount of support and updates it gets" or "I regret getting this phone, support and updates are horrible" Um ok? Cool man as if that'll make a change anywhere, my thing is this, why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
Face unlock update? Dont care about it as much, if I receive it cool.
Not trying to offend everyone here, only those that seem to be impatient and think that we should be getting the latest updates in such quick time frame. Yeah yeah sure you paid premium prices and you expect the world? Not every company is the same, should have done your research if youre really after custom ROM development
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So why this device on here ? on XDA forum. There are lots of devices who doesnt have forum thread, so lets put out Mate 10 PRO, if nobody need updates or custom roms or ......

XERO_Racer said:
why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
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It's trash! I bought a Note 4, years ago and I don't use it, because CyanogenMod was not ready. Samsung is today much better but still trash.
If somebody ask me now "yo, get Lineage OS but lose warranty?" I will instant flash Lineage OS, because EMUI is just a copy of the old MIUI, with bug's and ugly interface.
So, in future no more Huawei, just Xiaomi, Android One (Nokia) and OnePlus. Pixel never, because no dual SIM.

It's back to Oreo and this time it's forever

I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!

Why not sell it and get n9600? Snapdragon and rootable.
Best of both worlds.

roaduardo said:
I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!
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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?

bober10113 said:
so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?
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Call recording being the biggest one and overall smaller ways in which the OS is laid out. Like with the camera settings and notifications work.

Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.

HuStLaZ said:
Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.
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That's fair. We're all different.

Bought my Note 9 when One UI was just released. Had a lot of trouble with several key apps (banking, mail, weather and some news apps). Had crashes and graphical glitches almost every day and every week a "fatal" crash were I had to restart my Note with a button combination. I was thinking about returning my device. Kept is and installed the latest Oreo 8.1 version. Almost all software problems are gone. For 3 days not a single crash. Keep my fingers crossed

dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.

i have to say my experience is totally different. I think OneUI is fantastic and a major differentiator. i think samsung has taken the OS and built on it. I am a phone junkie and regularly look to buy other devices, but this is the first time im sticking to Samsung not only because of HW but now SW.

I'm a happy camper with One UI. Not gonna lie, I loved how Oreo on note 9 looked. But I'm guilty of upgrading phones twice every year. A fresh look gives me no reason to upgrade to S10 lol. I'll wait till note 10 comes out.

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dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.
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No. My Note upgraded to Pie/One UI immediately after talking it out of the box and setting it up. My user experience with the Note is One Ui only. I've factory reset (deleting data and settings) my Note four times (installed a different set of apps every time) and didn't use a backup (coming from an iPhone) so it was a 100% fresh install. The problems started the same evening, the first crash was within a few hours. With Oreo i'm missing a few features (night mode and lift to wake for example). One Ui is definitely looking more polished.

Friendly reminder, the only constant in the technology world is change. Anyway, Pie takes some getting use to and my biggest complaint is notifications have stopped while my screen is off. I still get calls and texts, but everything else stopped. Android called it Doze and change is inevitable.
https://developer.android.com/training/monitoring-device-state/doze-standby

I like one UI a lot. It's very modern and fluid. I don't have many issues with it. I've disabled updates, though, hoping for root to come soon so I can flash even better customized one UI roms and remove the crap they include permanently instead of just disabling it. That way the phone is lighter and the processor wouldn't have to work as hard.
I get your points, though.

I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.

bligui said:
I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]

K-alz said:
I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]
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Lol...I dont kind sir.
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Lol...I dont kind sir.
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Mhm. I "believe" you. Then why were you concerned about the notifications going through your BT in the car? Haha

To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.

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To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.
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Not disagreeing with you but there certainly are still some good reasons (in my opinion) for rooting.
Disabled high volume warrning with headphones (I personally found this very annoying)
System wide ad blocking
More efficient kernels
Use of Samsung's built-in call recorder
Battery charge limiting
The option to install AOSP based ROMs (Although the lack of HWC means battery life is poor)
Biometric unlock after reboot
More theming options
Use any app with the dual app tool

Will Huawei offer unlocking bootloaders again due to the ban?

We all know it sucked when Huawei stopped offering their bootloader unlocks a while back, but now with the US ban and their plans of releasing a OS of their own do you guys think there's a chance they'll start offering unlocking bootloaders to their older products as a incentive to have them install their new one?
If not then my P20 Pro is gonna end up being a paperweight fairly shortly I fear...

The new os might come to p20 pro too.
But hey, i think they will since people will return their phones thus loosing profit. Soooo

The Restless Soul said:
The new os might come to p20 pro too.
But hey, i think they will since people will return their phones thus loosing profit. Soooo
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Considering the range of their products and how many are in circulation I suppose it would make sense to offer the option atleast

I don't think huawei will worry about customers who have already paid for their handsets.
Question is how many of you would consider buying another huawei device. Speaking for myself...I wouldn't. Possibility to unlock bootloader wouldn't make much difference when we're out of regular android updates.

forever_lol said:
I don't think huawei will worry about customers who have already paid for their handsets.
Question is how many of you would consider buying another huawei device. Speaking for myself...I wouldn't. Possibility to unlock bootloader wouldn't make much difference when we're out of regular android updates.
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If they are making their own OS variant with their own marketplace then having as many users migrate over to it as possible is beneficial to their spying services

A new OS is the least of Huawei's problems. UK's ARM has cut ties with them now. No ARM = no Kirin chipset. US trade war is kind of getting out of control. Spying, as most people are lead to believe has yet to be proven in the 7 years it first came up. However, shady business practice is a different thing.

Let's just wait and see, this is a political and commercial issue, negociations will happen shortly, I am not worried, service will resume.

Aur3L said:
Let's just wait and see, this is a political and commercial issue, negociations will happen shortly, I am not worried, service will resume.
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I hope they ditch Android for their os. It would be much better imo, since it will also support android apps so what is the reason to keep android if your os will be much better?

With prices on Huawei and Honor phones taking a beating, I was hoping to pick up a cheap one, unlock its bootloader and install Lineage or other Android distro.
Sadly, looks like H have blocked the opportunity

speculatrix said:
With prices on Huawei and Honor phones taking a beating, I was hoping to pick up a cheap one, unlock its bootloader and install Lineage or other Android distro.
Sadly, looks like H have blocked the opportunity
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Sadly yes, if they kept on with their previous policy on that matter, it would be easier to maintain. I had the chance to have had an unlocked unit on lineage which was working great, and was faster. I lost it and got a new one, but locked without any hope to get it unlocked. But this phone ages well anyways, and one can uninstall or disable many many apps, which makes the phone more responsive. Also, it will unfold well, is just an unfortunate trade move but it will get well.

Tbh EMUI is very optimised for the cpu.
If huawei's new os had the deep intergration style of IOS, you can say goodbye to custom roms.
I mean EMUI as rn is very fluid and fast and i see no reason to change roms(even tho they locked the bootloader)

The Restless Soul said:
Tbh EMUI is very optimised for the cpu.
If huawei's new os had the deep intergration style of IOS, you can say goodbye to custom roms.
I mean EMUI as rn is very fluid and fast and i see no reason to change roms(even tho they locked the bootloader)
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You've never seen an OnePlus fluidity . Got an 3t at a bargain price. 4 years old and is more fluid than p20 pro .

RazOne said:
You've never seen an OnePlus fluidity . Got an 3t at a bargain price. 4 years old and is more fluid than p20 pro .
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Sacrifice features over fluidity, not really my cup of tea. But still, i am waiting for what Huawei will come up with.

Personally I think there is far too much money involved in all this for Huawei to just go under.
The biggest issue is the CPU, every Android device is based on arm and as arm have pulled their contracts with Huawei, Huawei for the moment at least are on borrowed time, they'll have a stock pike but due to the nature of arm, they can't even make their own chip as it'll use arms architecture and that can't happen as arm will sue, problem with that is, even if they did make a chip, they'd have to get developers to develop for it and as it stands everyone makes for arm. Lol it's impossible, very clever on the person who is pulling the strings part.
That being said, it won't last, they'll negotiate and it'll be resolved, as it was with ZTE from sanctions in Iran against the US.
The long and short of it is just money, the US wants to tax that Huawei ass a little bit, as well as show them who's boss.
Then everyone will be happy.
As for the bootloader, I would say a resounding no, looking at Huawei, they've gone totally Apple now, going for their own OS too (they were anyway)
Plus the Chinese variant didn't have the play store to begin with so they're half way there.
I can't see them ever offering bootloader keys ever again, which is fine for them, but the way they went about it was abysmal.
The phones they used to make were sub standard and weak with lots of issues and most techies avoided them like the plague then they teamed with XDA and it's users, got some great press and buzz from XDA users, not to mention our influence and started banging out some decent phones.
Then they pulled the rug out and essentially closed their doors on any kind of loyalty there was to the true modders, developers and enthusiasts of Android, shocking.
The will almost certainly not go bust, but for what they've done and how they've held themselves, to me and many other users on here who like to root and tinker, they may as well not exist any more..
Shame as they we going in a good direction.
Ah well. One plus time.
Rant over.....
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RazOne said:
You've never seen an OnePlus fluidity . Got an 3t at a bargain price. 4 years old and is more fluid than p20 pro .
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I agree Vs emui, but I'm running AOSIP on the p20 pro and it's ridiculously smooth, would still prefer a OnePlus tho.
Getting the 7pro very soon.

The Restless Soul said:
Sacrifice features over fluidity, not really my cup of tea. But still, i am waiting for what Huawei will come up with.
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Well, what features exactly ?

Decision of giving bootloader unlock codes again will lead to that consequences:
-part of their userbase will turn to open-source OSes
-due to their beign as second top manufacturer that part will be large in numbers
-that will hit Google's positions in userbase of standard Android (system and services).
That looks like win-win situation for Huawei, except they want to move that switching userbase to themselves and their new OS.
So I doubt Huawei will decide to make world better. It's just business.

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djama29 said:
hi, bootloader code service start work today, i can get code, +375257585263 Viber WhatsApp
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Yeeeeeeeahhhhh, why not on xda private? And will it be free?

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Yeeeeeeeahhhhh, why not on xda private? And will it be free?
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I wrote to him on whatsapp .... for $45

pablo103 said:
I wrote to him on whatsapp .... for $45
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Does it come with a paper that says You got scammed?
Yeah i would not trust any bootloader unlock methods that require cash.

Question Should I Unlock the bootloader?

First off, yes i have searched thru the forums for an answer but none of those that I found are direct to my questions...
I just placed an order for S21 Ultra Exynos. Should be arriving within the next 2 days or so..
My questions are: (this will be my first Samsung phone)
1) Is one UI good enough? or is it worth it to flash a custom from (previously I used to flash custom from for better battery life and also advance customization.
2) If I unlock the bootloader, will I still receive firmware updates?
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life, camera, and performance.
And also because Samsung promised 3-4 years for firmware updates. I believe this phone will last for at least 3 years.
And I'm thinking of unlocking the bootloader on day 1 itself before even setting up anything. That way I would save my time from losing stuff by resetting after unlocking BL.
3) and also, did anyone get the Samsung care+ extended warranty? Is it worth it?
I have never broken a phone before in my life thus far. But since this is gonna be the most expensive phone I have ever bought, I would prefer to secure my investment. (another reason why I'm considering not to unlock bootloader/root as of yet).
Thank you soo much.
Have not done rooting for a long time. Lost touch will all this stuff.
Hence the noobie questions.

1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.

enigmaamit said:
1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
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Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI

RSGI said:
Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
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Agree. The trend for Android devices aping the Apple philosophy is disturbing. But for lack of good alternatives, we are left without too many choices. OnePlus seemed to be doing well on this front but lately they've also gone rogue. So we have to live with what we have, whether we like it or not...

guyderam said:
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life
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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
To be perfectly honest, the battery life is the only gripe I have with this phone. It's quite mediocre for a 5000mAh battery. Of course everyone's usage is different, but I expected better battery life. If you're not a "heavy" user you should be fine though!!
As for bootloader unlocking: I've had 2 S21 Ultras. I had the first one unlocked for a dumb reason, wanted to flash some magisk module to enable all lenses in Google Camera ports basically. Which is kinda funny because now with OneUI 4.0 all the lenses are available in GCam
back to the actual topic, now that I have my second S21U, I don't see a reason to unlock the bootloader. From what I've seen there's only one or two Exynos custom ROMs that are regularly updated. That's the first thing. The 2nd thing is, I just don't wanna trip Knox again and void my warranty.
For me unlocking the BL is not worth it (at the moment). You should consider the pros and the cons of unlocking and hopefully it'll be easier to decide then.
With that being said, enjoy your S21 Ultra, man.

jericho246 said:
Okay so who's gonna tell him?
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Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....

guyderam said:
Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
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But really, what do you want to do with your phone that's not already in-built. I was thinking the same but over the years Android (and it's custom OEMs) have gotten a lot better with companies baking a lot of the magisk modules (their versions) into their ROMs...I didn't root my OnePlus 7Pro, neither the S21U..don't see the need to (at least for the time being)...

A few things, updates are forfeited after root and also be aware Android 12, One UI 4.0 is far from stable. If it hasn't been preinstalled you should consider ignoring the update until the numerous bugs are addressed. I've had a number of S Series devices, only the S8+ was a Exynos variant, all others had the Snapdragon SoC's and never had a warranty issue. I wouldn't buy the Samsung Care+ but it's like any other insurance, you hate paying for it but happy you did if you ever need it. Unless you're a power user battery life shouldn't be an issue but if it is you can review numerous posts for corrective solutions. Based on what you've shared it's probably best you hold off on unlocking the bootloader, to me there aren't many compelling reasons when one considers all the consequences. I think you'll be OK with the stock device.

I consider myself as a relatively advanced user and was always playing rooted with all of the S devices I had. There were always workarounds for root detection by apps and samsung itself BUT now things have changed and I regret having rooted my S21.
As samsung is enforcing its restrictions against root, I find myself (while being rooted) unable to connect my GW4, unable to use latest Samsung Health app, unable to use Samsung Pay and lately even the samsung account keeps disconnecting for "security reasons" several times a day... What a mess !
As previously said, returning to stock with locked bootloader won't give a 100% functional device as the tripped Knox will still be there preventing you from using some samsung apps and features !
If it gets more complicated, I only have 2 choices : get a "virgin" S21 or say goodbye to Samsung.
With that said, you now know where you're going if you choose to go that way

Question What has happened to one +

As far as I can remember OnePlus has had ROMs / mods / kernels and god knows what very early on.
This turd? it's at the back of a very long smelly queue, the level of interest is non existent.
If you're planning to jump ship to this!
Don't.
Get a pixel or wait.
For me if this phone fails then it's bye bye OnePlus.
WTH happened??

They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.

Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.

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They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
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I've got no words for that..
Just an emoji.
To you OnePlus

zopostyle said:
Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
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I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold

dladz said:
I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.

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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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If Qualcomm is going to start being anti-developer, I guess it's a good thing that Pixel doesn't use their processors anymore.

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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.

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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.

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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google

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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Oh no, I definitely do care for custom ROMs, I am *never* happy being locked down to what the manufacturer wants me to have which is why my last Samsung was the Note 5. If I got a Pixel, I would probably install ProtonAOSP (which is available on Pixel 6/Pro), use the Pixelify Magisk module to get back anything I lost, and be happy as can be. The only reasons I didn't go with the Pixel 6 originally were the reports of the crappy screen, the crappy Samsung modem (that's still giving people problems), and the crappy battery life. The 6 Pro was out because of the curved screen, the crappy modem, and the crappy battery life. My OP9 has none of those issues, just janky stock software complete with a massive and unacceptable SoC throttle and a buggy boot/fastboot implementation that makes it easy to brick.
I am happy with my OnePlus 9 now that I have StagOS paired with OOS12 C.48 firmware, there are only very minor issues and one major one that I have to remember to work around every time I restart the phone, but I am never happy for long and I get grass is always greener syndrome pretty frequently lol. I have been keeping tabs on the OP10P forum because it was originally going to be my next device (I only just got my 9 in February and I'm already wanting something new) but obviously the situation right now with OOS12 being a dumpster fire and how many people have bricked their OP10P trying to root it or change the firmware between regions... it's not a great sales pitch for sure when there isn't an MSM available and it sounds like there won't be for quite awhile, if ever.

There are so many issues with this phone and I started to hate the OnePlus. I'm definitely going to change my OP10 Pro to Google Pixel 7!

Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.

Prant said:
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.

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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...

dladz said:
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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Nah, something else might come along but not Google. You can always leave it up to Google to **** something good up.

Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...

Aldonski said:
On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Cheers ace, I was slightly inebriated last night

Timmmmaaahh! said:
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
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Huawei!! Seems they all sing from the same song sheet.
Bring back HTC, c'mon Taiwan. You got this bro..

dladz said:
Huawei!!
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