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Hi everyone!
I'm currently using a LG G3, and it's time to upgrade.
I've narrowed my choices down to either the Nexus 6P or the Note 5. I'm in the UK, so it would defo be easier to source a 6P but I kinda like the idea of the Note 5.
My question is though, since I do like rooting and ROMing, is the Note 5 locked down and a lot harder to ROM/mess with than the 6P. I do seem to get 'bored' of mobile phones after around 6 months and the ability to ROM and change the phone is pretty important.
So, should I think twice about the Note 5, or is it pretty open and can be ROMed pretty easily?
Cheers!
Nexus p has more development compared to note device.
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Ahhhh, maybe best leaning towards a 6P then.
Cheers!
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Its one thing having plenty of rom choices however
Im just coming from a nexus 6, plenty of roms but to be honest very little difference between them, tried chroma, aosip and pure nexus, but i will tell you what i always experienced, random reboots. Now first off i appreciate the time and effort all devs put in, been their done that, but to be honest i just want a device that works now and samsung has a good range of options and features. Im not sure what all the fuss was with pure stock android, Yes MM was on my device from day one but then i felt like a google beta tester for the first 6 months.
The 6p is a sweet device but i chose the note 5 as an all round package its hard to beat, however as you mention you have OCFD then yes the Nexus 6p would be a better device for your needs, if you do get the 6p, then AOSIP was the most stable for me out of the 3 main ones, either way you will be happy with the device you choose
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Its one thing having plenty of rom choices however
Im just coming from a nexus 6, plenty of roms but to be honest very little difference between them, tried chroma, aosip and pure nexus, but i will tell you what i always experienced, random reboots. Now first off i appreciate the time and effort all devs put in, been their done that, but to be honest i just want a device that works now and samsung has a good range of options and features. Im not sure what all the fuss was with pure stock android, Yes MM was on my device from day one but then i felt like a google beta tester for the first 6 months.
The 6p is a sweet device but i chose the note 5 as an all round package its hard to beat, however as you mention you have OCFD then yes the Nexus 6p would be a better device for your needs, if you do get the 6p, then AOSIP was the most stable for me out of the 3 main ones, either way you will be happy with the device you choose
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I agree with this statement...all the nexus 6 roms are practically the same. One thing that had me doing the jazz hand for (i forgot the name) was in the original development thread that basically baked all the features I love into the STOCK rom that came with the file....otherwise, from one rom to the next was the same, just different bugs lol. I too just want a stable rom, been running the same on my note 5 for the past 4 weeks lol.
But to answer the OP, go with the 6p if you want to get your flashing on. So many things to flash, so little time lol.
hey I would like to add that the note roms are all the same
there isnt even aosp project
the best device I had in roms was The one m8 gpe .aosp and sense it was incredible I dream of the day the m10 would have a gpe version I would seel my note and get in without thinking.
I lived under the impression that Note 5 was made for productivity not for fun ) But maybe I'm wrong.
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Hey op. I have to agree with he general outlook of the folks here that if it's about flashing ROMs then there really isn't a device to hold a candle to the nexus 6p.
That being said I had a oneplus one and a nexus before I got the note 5 for the same reason. Once I got over the compulsive need to flash roms kernels and the like though I have been really happy with the stable experience I've had with the note so far. Hope this helps.
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I was debating on keeping this phone, as I wonder how long custom ROMs will support newer Android versions after Nougat. I recently got an iPhone 6 Plus for cheap have enjoyed the much better battery life, but I still love the Android Operating System so much more.
I noticed Nexus 5 support has been quite strong, but I cannot tell how long it will/can go for. (I do not visit this forum often, only to download Pure Nexus updates when I used my Nexus as a daily.)
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I was debating on keeping this phone, as I wonder how long custom ROMs will support newer Android versions after Nougat.
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I've here for many years. There are good devs supporting devices/roms; also when the original company stops supporting.
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I was debating on keeping this phone, as I wonder how long custom ROMs will support newer Android versions after Nougat. I recently got an iPhone 6 Plus for cheap have enjoyed the much better battery life, but I still love the Android Operating System so much more.
I noticed Nexus 5 support has been quite strong, but I cannot tell how long it will/can go for. (I do not visit this forum often, only to download Pure Nexus updates when I used my Nexus as a daily.)
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Well the galaxy Nexus just got unofficial 7.1 and it's pretty old so..........
I can guarantee that you will have custom builds for as long as you continue to build them for yourself.
Dear OnePlus 3t owners,
Is it sensible to buy a new OP3T after OP decided to kill updates post-O?
On this device, easy root, no updates but plenty of community support.
On others (S8, XZ Premium, other mainstream flagships), loss of features with root, somewhat more updates with less community support.
Please help me take my decision, and any and all help is greatly appreciated!
It depends if you want a phone to play around and mod or you want a phone to have longer updates although longer updates are not a guarantee in any brand even Google promises updates for 2 years only. 3t is still a pretty good device and I think we'll have good dev support for atleast a couple of years
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No update ? Hmm, don't know where you see this, OpenBeta 13 has just been release today.
Personally, I bought the OnePlus 3T like one week ago for 350e on Ebay, very happy with with.
Before it, I bought a OnePlus 5 day one, and, well, if I'm here today, it's because I was very disappointed (*cough* Jelly Effect *cough* ), and I bought the OnePlus 3T because I need a new device right now: I prepare a trip in South Korea, and need a new device to replace the time bomb OnePlus 2 (sorry about my life topic).
I share the idea about the fact that the OnePlus 3T was the true Flagship Killer: low price for very good specs.
You can see that the device is still in top 3 devices on XDA (behind Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+ and LG G6), and for me, it's an indicator that the OnePlus 3T still has a bright future.
So yeah, OnePlus won't update the OnePlus 3T after Android O (but still security update tho), but he, we are on XDA, so plenty of custom ROMs available!
After all, I can't either ""force"" you to buy or not the OnePlus 3T. It depends on multiple points
-How many you want to put in your phone ?
-What is a good smartphone for you ?
-Do you care about officials updates of custom ROMs is ok for you ?
1. No updates: I actually meant "no major version updates".
2. So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
3. Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device? (My 1st OP device, hope ROMs are as stable as stock to the contrary of Samsung)
4. Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
Thanks for your advice! I'm actually biased towards buying the device but I have had my reservations
Well, I'm a tinkerer but I really prefer more updates as I do prefer longevity (3-4 years of college, not enough $$$ to spend on phones). Thank you a lot!
I don't think it'll matter. Android O will be a nice send off and I think said that they'll provide security updates also. The community will support this phone for many android revisions and groups/people like PA or Sultan got the same camera quality on their AOSP roms
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
I'm content with the device on O but as soon as P rolls out a problem arises. Community ROMs are not exactly stable (coming from Samsung, no idea w/ OP3T though) and I've read somewhere that PA and/or Sultan received the blobs from OP through bribery or something ... What do you think?
So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
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Jelly Effect is a deal breaker for me. Search for it on internet, you will see.
Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device?
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For now, I don't know. I just flash a custom kernel on my device, but still under OxygenOS for now.
Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
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As I said, I don't know. But some recognized devs build ROMs which camera which seems to be as good as stock one (such as SultanXDA's ROM or ParanoidAndroid)
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
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The OnePlus 2 was produced with the Snapdragon 810, which is, let's be honest, a sh*t. My user experience with it was pretty bad. Also, I don't know if you saw, but the Nexus 6P (which also has the Snapdragon 810) is victims of problems with this processor: actually, some users have a phone which can't even boot anymore. A user find a solution, but actually, the phone now uses 4 cores (the little cluster) instead of 8 (little + big cluster): I don't want the OnePlus 2 to ends like this, so I bought a new phone, just to be sure.
Aaaaand I f*cked up my answer. Of course, this posts contains answer to your questions @WaseemAlkurdi
Custom roms are far more stable on the 3t then on Samsung devices. Less hacking needed.
Updates are kinda over rated at this point. With the 3t you can just build it yourself. Though I would avoid Los based or PA based roms. Those tend to have the most issues with things like instability.
Think of it this way: would you buy this phone and use it as is, or would you out a custom ROM on it?
It might not get any updates from UP after O, but it's gonna get at least 3 more years of support from Lineage and others.
There are a plethora of "stable" custom built ROMs by several very talented developers.
To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment.
I've been running some form of a custom ROM for the past 7 years over a a multitude of phones following well known developers that in my opinion and experience put out better device software than the factory.
If you do choose the OP3T, you'll not be disappointed as it's a quality device with excellent community support.
Like could I build "OxygenOS P" myself?
And if LOS and PA ROMs aren't stable, is AOSP so? And that makes for a tradeoff for camera quality, as an earlier comment said that camera is the best on PA and Sultan (Sultan's being LOS based AFAIK)
@giant22000
Seems like it's going to be the OnePlus 3t after all, and what remains to be done is convincing my dad that an unknown China OEM (in local market's view - not our view) can make solid hardware.
"To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment."
This is relative. Coming from various Samsung devices, namely the Galaxy Grand 2 and the Galaxy Star (the crappiest device known to mankind) and servicing others including flagship models, it does happen that custom ROMs are, to say the best, variable in stability, ranging from crappiest (CM on the Galaxy S Duos and on the Star) to semi-stable (the stuff on high-end phones.
@ast00
I am a tinkerer by nature, no Android phone is mine unless the bootloader is unlocked, custom ROM, kernel, overclock, and later on, development.
I am only concerned about official updates as this may mean eventually being deserted by the community. Is this the case here?
@casual_kikoo
Thanks for your detailed answers!
Yes AOSP tend to be more stable then the other two. Just look at the thread and you will see issues with bootloops and other things. Yet AOSP based roms do not suffer from this.
The camera is good enough no matter the range. I tested both and to be honest it made little difference.
No you are not gonna build Oxygen OS as it is closed source but then again why would you want to?
Stability, mate. Heard that OOS is the most stable, then comes AOSP, then comes LOS.
And if it were possible to build OOS, the update issue would be fixed of course. But alas, it isn't possible, as you said.
No. Most ROMs run on the 3 and the 3T. I mean you flash the same zip for both phones.
This is good because our community is the size of 2 phone's communities. You will have plenty of support later on.
Take nexus 5 as example, its still getting regular rom updates such as PA or lineage, this device will be no different.. it will receive android updates from xda community for a long time
And still going strong.
Still getting OS updates on DarkROM nougat.
Oreo is nearly ready for daily driver. Thanks devs.
This thing just keeps on working.
My 6p died. Symptoms: Boot Loop of Death. Now I am here posting from my Nexus 5. Works like a champ ^^
Which rom do you recommend? there will be miui 9 for nexus 5 would be great
Congrats for this amazing device. \m/ still rocking.
still rocking my Hammerhead. One of my favorite android device.
Actually i have Miui 8 on my nexus 5 and works very well after 4 years. But recently i broke the glass screen (not display) and sometimes power button go in stuck. So i was looking for a new device, but there are no more new nexus. Pixel are so expensive and also OnePlus become expensive with the 5 and 5T models (3T was the last good oneplus phone for price-quality ratio in my opinion, but unfortunately i can't buy it anymore from official site). Soooo (this is the last "so", promised) somebody has any idea which phone i could buy for a price from 350$ to 450$ ?
I'm looking mainly for a device with a good developers community like Nexus and OP. Thank you!
I hope my Nexus 5 will work well at least till end of next year.
But e.g. HTC U11 Life looks promising.
It's still the most stable phone I own, and has the widest range of custom roms available for it I've ever seen.
Long live 5 :good:
Rebuman said:
Actually i have Miui 8 on my nexus 5 and works very well after 4 years. But recently i broke the glass screen (not display) and sometimes power button go in stuck. So i was looking for a new device, but there are no more new nexus. Pixel are so expensive and also OnePlus become expensive with the 5 and 5T models (3T was the last good oneplus phone for price-quality ratio in my opinion, but unfortunately i can't buy it anymore from official site). Soooo (this is the last "so", promised) somebody has any idea which phone i could buy for a price from 350$ to 450$ ?
I'm looking mainly for a device with a good developers community like Nexus and OP. Thank you!
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Go for a used first gen Google Pixel.
As much as I enjoy comparing phones, there is no direct replacement for the N5. Other phones are always missing something, but - to be fair - make it up on other areas.
If you like the size, you could go for the pixel, but good luck finding that one and for a decent price.
The Android One devices look great if all you want is bare Android with updates, but it remains a question how long that will continue. The dev community is non-existent at the moment as far as I can tell, so no root or custom roms.
I have my sights on the Moto G5 Plus as a next device: decent price & specs (memory/storage/sd) and an active xda community. It's a bit larger and heavier and doesn't have wifi ac for instance.
I am getting bored of my N5, but then there's this new flood of roms coming out and you can play with the latest stuff in such an attractive form factor... I can't find an excuse anymore....
I'd go for a used Pixel, Oneplus 5 (if you has the cash) or, if you want to really stay in the cheap but good af area, Xiaomi A1, in my mind, it's the real nexus 5 replacement.
Anyway, for now I'm still rocking my N5.
I think i'll go for a second hand OnePlus 3T. But Essential Phone is very gorgeuos *.*
I'm running nougat now but i feel it consumes too much ram and occasional lag is common on device with only 2GB of ram. Does anyone still rocking an old android version? I'm looking for a slightly older OS that best for N5 performance + battery. Which rom + kernel do you think is the best? Thanks.
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To be honest i miss nexus 5 so much, since i upgrade to Pixel.
I wish go back in 2014 where i got my nexus 5.
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To be honest i miss nexus 5 so much, since i upgrade to Pixel.
I wish go back in 2014 where i got my nexus 5.
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Please explain.
Pixel looks like the perfect upgrade from N5. What could you miss? Wireless charging?
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I'm running nougat now but i feel it consumes too much ram and occasional lag is common on device with only 2GB of ram. Does anyone still rocking an old android version? I'm looking for a slightly older OS that best for N5 performance + battery. Which rom + kernel do you think is the best? Thanks.
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I was on nougat DarkROM for a long time. Had the same experience with lagging. Oreo feels like it does much better than Nougat. Lemme know how it goes if you return to an old android version.
lesp4ul said:
I'm running nougat now but i feel it consumes too much ram and occasional lag is common on device with only 2GB of ram. Does anyone still rocking an old android version? I'm looking for a slightly older OS that best for N5 performance + battery. Which rom + kernel do you think is the best? Thanks.
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try the Oreo rom, i feel AOSIP 7 is much smoother than Nougat
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Please explain.
Pixel looks like the perfect upgrade from N5. What could you miss? Wireless charging?
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Since i upgrade to the pixel the experience big different than the nexus 5 the software just same to be honest but hey no more lagg while playing the games and heavy task can't not keep up my n5, Wireless charging I don't care about it.
The pixel camera 15x better then N5 for me
Really hate google just didn't update to 7.0 why sony xperia z3 can update to 7.0 beta, google just make me b*******
Miss so much the android 4.4 since i am unbox in the first time and beautiful design.
My wish if google release android oreo go and someone ported to the nexus 5.
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I was on nougat DarkROM for a long time. Had the same experience with lagging. Oreo feels like it does much better than Nougat. Lemme know how it goes if you return to an old android version.
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try the Oreo rom, i feel AOSIP 7 is much smoother than Nougat
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Thanks for the suggestions, so i tried AOSIP 7 for a while. It was smooth at first, but then it become quite laggy like nougat, youtube loads longer, fullscreen video rotate took more effort to load. I can't rely on multitasking if i opened facebook app and some app simultaneously. Also, initial memory usage is a lot. I must use facebook + page manager + ads manager because of work purposes and i felt like i was using a cheap 100$ phone [emoji23]
So i remembered pure nexus & nitrogen rom glory back in marshmallow day. So i went back, flashed latest pure nexus marshmallow 6.0.1 + blu_spark 108. I think i will stick on this rom from now on.
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Thanks for the suggestions, so i tried AOSIP 7 for a while. It was smooth at first, but then it become quite laggy like nougat, youtube loads longer, fullscreen video rotate took more effort to load. I can't rely on multitasking if i opened facebook app and some app simultaneously. Also, initial memory usage is a lot. I must use facebook + page manager + ads manager because of work purposes and i felt like i was using a cheap 100$ phone [emoji23]
So i remembered pure nexus & nitrogen rom glory back in marshmallow day. So i went back, flashed latest pure nexus marshmallow 6.0.1 + blu_spark 108. I think i will stick on this rom from now on.
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I think you're absolutely right. N and O lag way too much where it counts: memory management. I went back to stock M recently, and even though the GUI stutters a bit, the things you mentioned plus the keyboard popping up quickly are what make this NOT feel like a $100 phone.
So we have it on pixel 2 now, I think the p5 would also benefit from some of pixel experiences ROM features. More so when the plus version is released.
Is pixel experience being worked on for p5??
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So we have it on pixel 2 now, I think the p5 would also benefit from some of pixel experiences ROM features. More so when the plus version is released.
Is pixel experience being worked on for p5??
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You have it on the Pixel 2 now because updates have stopped for that device. Maybe the Pixel Experience ROM will come to the 5 in three years when updates are over.