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Hard to find an upgrade phone!

UPDATE! Unfortunately my note 4 took a fall and landed on a jagged rock (serves me right for holding it in my mouth using the flashlight) - Anyway, I ended up finding a (like new) LG V20 for $300 USD (It's big but I had to make a sacrifice) It was very hard to decide over the mate 9, oneplus 3t and the V20. Because I got it at a reasonably low price it won't be much of a loss at resale if I decide on something else, especially as something is always right around the corner.
UPDATE COMPARISON BETWEEN LG V20 AND NOTE 4
Impressions about the LG V20 after 2 weeks in comparison to the Note 4.
What is better?
Performance is snappier on the V20 (for obvious reasons)
The screen looks more detailed and sharper (even though they both have the same resolution I think the LCD tech is better in this instance IMO)
The device is easier to hold (I really didn't think a small reduction in width could be so noticeable)
The second display is very useful for launching recent apps and using it to launch flashlight while the screen is off is very handy
Battery life is very similar (I average 5 hours of SOT over 24 hour period) - This is a tie but considering people would constantly rant about poor battery life I had to mention it
Although I don't use headphones often you really can tell the difference when using high level cups
The cameras are much better for enthusiasts. You also have a lot of options that are usually only seen in actual cameras (focus peaking, advanced manual modes etc)
What is not?
Loudspeaker and earpiece are deeper but sound less detailed and clear (even after removing the speaker grille from the chin). If you rely heavily on listening to podcasts or anything else where plain vocals are concerned than this will be a bit of an adjustment for you
There are so many different model variants that development is far less than I originally read in to (almost to the point where I am prepared to look for another phone)
I really do miss having physical keys (I am getting used to it, though)
Overall I am not disappointed in the actual device or it's capabilities in comparison to the Note 4. I could definitely forgive the little things I don't like if it had a stronger community. I will see how it goes over the next few months
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I'm really struggling to replace my note 4. Don't get me wrong, you can get better handsets, but not a big enough leap for me to make the switch. For example I will list the features that I require in a list from most important to least important features.
1. Community/company development
2. Screen size to body ratio (NON CURVED) (Critical. I want a smaller phone but with still at least a 5.5" display)
3. Capacitive/Physical buttons. (Heavily preferred but open minded to change if everything else is perfect)
4. Large removable battery (Open minded to change)
5. Micro SD and IR Blaster (These aren't deal breakers)
Obviously the rest of the phone would need to have higher internal specs etc, else it wouldn't be an upgrade!
The closest i can find is the
Oneplus 3T (But it unfortunately is a similar size with smaller screen)
LG V20 (Quite bigger than Note 4)
Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus (Little bit taller than Note 4 and unsure about future dev)
Mi Mix (Much bigger and poor camera but this type of design really caught my eye)
Without reducing screen size it's really hard to find anything that ticks every box by a large enough margin to make it feel worth it to me. What are your thoughts? Do you have any advice or do you feel the same way?

I'm kind of in the same boat. I think I'm gonna go with the One Plus 3T, I like how the community looks and One Plus also look like a decent company. Another Samsung isn't an option for me as this will be my last.

My Note 4 has developed the lag, freeze and reboot issue that many have reported, so it's either stick with the workaround of the partial wakelock which hammers the battery life or get a new phone (struggling to find replacement mobo's here in the UK). My last 3 phones have been Samsung and all were bought used but this is the first that's developed a major problem.
So I'm with you guys in wondering what to go for. Something around 5.5 inches with an sd slot a removable battery and a solid camera are my main concerns.
Ideally I'd like a removable battery as it's amazing when I'm travelling (and I travel a lot). What would be the best alternative_A powerbank with quickcharge 2.0?

woldranger said:
My Note 4 has developed the lag, freeze and reboot issue that many have reported, so it's either stick with the workaround of the partial wakelock which hammers the battery life or get a new phone (struggling to find replacement mobo's here in the UK). My last 3 phones have been Samsung and all were bought used but this is the first that's developed a major problem.
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unexpected reboots/shutdowns can be due to degraded/dying battery,
freezes/lags (tried to flash from 0?) due to the EMMC is about to fail.
i'm in the same boat, but i want at least:
a 6-6.2 inch screen with minimum to no bezels,
635 CPU with 6GB (to be a substantial upgrade)
removable battery.
our note 4 fits 6.4 inch bezelless display (sacrificing home button), so it's perfectly viable.
i guess, we should wait 3 more months till S8 and other options will come out, that promise to be bezelless. Xiaomi Mi Mix did the job, now everybody wants such a phone. At the moment, i see no options to buy either.

lisbon2004 said:
unexpected reboots/shutdowns can be due to degraded/dying battery,
freezes/lags (tried to flash from 0?) due to the EMMC is about to fail.
i'm in the same boat, but i want at least:
a 6-6.2 inch screen with minimum to no bezels,
635 CPU with 6GB (to be a substantial upgrade)
removable battery.
our note 4 fits 6.4 inch bezelless display (sacrificing home button), so it's perfectly viable.
i guess, we should wait 3 more months till S8 and other options will come out, that promise to be bezelless. Xiaomi Mi Mix did the job, now everybody wants such a phone. At the moment, i see no options to buy either.
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I've got 3 different batteries including an Anker one that's only a couple of months old so I dont think it can be that.
What did you mean, flash from 0?

I'm using this Note 7 rom based on aurora 3.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note7-port-n910f-standm-aurora-base-t3500338/page1
Before I installed it, I flashed the latest stock rom with odin to get updated base and modems (sammobile) for 910F version.
After that Flashed twrp, did three consecutive wipes in twrp (incl data to clean internal memory) and then flashed the note 7 rom.
Did take a very long time to boot, but that's normal.
If roms don't boot, it's probably because of the bootloader or base not compatible with rom.
Used a couple of kernels, and the best one so far is the latest Xceed test build (N910FG-MM-Test-bld4k.zip) and set it on conservative for food battery.
Absolutely love the rom, no problems at all for me. Makes the note 4 look up to date again.

sebas_tytn2 said:
I'm using this Note 7 rom based on aurora 3.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note7-port-n910f-standm-aurora-base-t3500338/page1
Before I installed it, I flashed the latest stock rom with odin to get updated base and modems (sammobile) for 910F version.
After that Flashed twrp, did three consecutive wipes in twrp (incl data to clean internal memory) and then flashed the note 7 rom.
Did take a very long time to boot, but that's normal.
If roms don't boot, it's probably because of the bootloader or base not compatible with rom.
Used a couple of kernels, and the best one so far is the latest Xceed test build (N910FG-MM-Test-bld4k.zip) and set it on conservative for food battery.
Absolutely love the rom, no problems at all for me. Makes the note 4 look up to date again.
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I'm sorry, but I'm a tad confused as to how this relates to the "new phone" in this topic. If it's how you fixed the Lag/restart debacle then I'm in your debt....

woldranger said:
I'm sorry, but I'm a tad confused as to how this relates to the "new phone" in this topic. If it's how you fixed the Lag/restart debacle then I'm in your debt....
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Ah I posted in the wrong thread

Welcome on board. Have the same problem. My contract ends now and I've completely no idea where to go now. List of phones which I could get isn't too great. Huawei P9, Samsung S7, HTC 10 or Sony X. Naah. In the end I will probably just buy something but still it's hard to find for me a decent replacement for Note 4. Thought about Pixel but a quick look at the price tag and bam we are far,far away.
On another hand, LG looks interesting. G5 or V20. Especially the G5 with add-ons capability, but I'm not sure would it be an upgrade or just simple change.

woldranger said:
I've got 3 different batteries including an Anker one that's only a couple of months old so I dont think it can be that.
What did you mean, flash from 0?
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from scratch, with complete full wipes before/after, and using a service ROM (with everything included).

Yoshiktk said:
Welcome on board. Have the same problem. My contract ends now and I've completely no idea where to go now. List of phones which I could get isn't too great. Huawei P9, Samsung S7, HTC 10 or Sony X. Naah. In the end I will probably just buy something but still it's hard to find for me a decent replacement for Note 4. Thought about Pixel but a quick look at the price tag and bam we are far,far away.
On another hand, LG looks interesting. G5 or V20. Especially the G5 with add-ons capability, but I'm not sure would it be an upgrade or just simple change.
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That's a tough choice between those handsets!

uppon2 said:
That's a tough choice between those handsets!
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I did spend like whole Sunday looking at different phones, Youtube vids, reviews etc. but still don't see anything claiming the top spot to replace Note. In the end I did just order new battery and Ill just wait till 2017 to see what will show up.

A perfect replacement for a Note 4 is a Note 4S, better spec with a decent fingerprint scanner, LOL if only Samsung thought of that. You guys should wait till after CES 2017, it's in February (CMIIW) there should be new phones out afterwards. The only worthy replacement thus far is either the S7 Edge or V20 IMHO.

This rumoured smaller Mi mix looks interesting. Next year will be the year they perfect screen to body ratio! http://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_mix_nano-8439.php

uchihakurtz said:
A perfect replacement for a Note 4 is a Note 4S, better spec with a decent fingerprint scanner, LOL if only Samsung thought of that. You guys should wait till after CES 2017, it's in February (CMIIW) there should be new phones out afterwards. The only worthy replacement thus far is either the S7 Edge or V20 IMHO.
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Mobile World Congress in February is another one to watch for

uppon2 said:
Mobile World Congress in February is another one to watch for
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Sweet mother of God, MWC is actually the one on February (27 - 2 Mar) and CES is on the 5 - 8 of January. Wow gotta save up some cash for mid March.

Yoshiktk said:
Welcome on board. Have the same problem. My contract ends now and I've completely no idea where to go now. List of phones which I could get isn't too great. Huawei P9, Samsung S7, HTC 10 or Sony X. Naah. In the end I will probably just buy something but still it's hard to find for me a decent replacement for Note 4. Thought about Pixel but a quick look at the price tag and bam we are far,far away.
On another hand, LG looks interesting. G5 or V20. Especially the G5 with add-ons capability, but I'm not sure would it be an upgrade or just simple change.
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Thought about that this morning...being a huge LG fan in the past, I have to say I'm quite disappointed with the G5.
V20 is a beast I've heard but don't know if the G5 would be that big a leap from your Note 4.
I'd probably say the Oneplus 3T or hold out for S8 Edge
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Yoshiktk said:
I did spend like whole Sunday looking at different phones, Youtube vids, reviews etc. but still don't see anything claiming the top spot to replace Note. In the end I did just order new battery and Ill just wait till 2017 to see what will show up.
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Doing the exact same thing lol
I guess that's a great problem to have...Samsung overbuilt the Note 4 in 2014....now its hard to find a replacement lol

Thats true. For me personally Note 4 is so well made and tailored that I would be happy to stay with it forever. Ticks all the boxes, and thats the problem for me.
Lg G5 is nice but lacks something to convince to change. V20 on another hand is tempting. I really like the idea with second wide angle lens. If nothing jumps till march I will give Lg a go.

Yoshiktk said:
Thats true. For me personally Note 4 is so well made and tailored that I would be happy to stay with it forever. Ticks all the boxes, and thats the problem for me.
Lg G5 is nice but lacks something to convince to change. V20 on another hand is tempting. I really like the idea with second wide angle lens. If nothing jumps till march I will give Lg a go.
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don't forget about the EMMC time bomb, and it's low performance (read/write speed).
also, it could be time to upgrade to a faster, more efficient chipset with a modem of a higher LTE Category, and more bands.

lisbon2004 said:
don't forget about the EMMC time bomb, and it's low performance (read/write speed).
also, it could be time to upgrade to a faster, more efficient chipset with a modem of a higher LTE Category, and more bands.
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Mine just started showing the EMMC issue's. No luck at the end of year. The only option for me is S7. The best choice from what I can get from my provider, not much too choose from.

Anyone come from oneplus 6?plesde share your views.

So need to replace my razer phone and not sure what to get. I like the fact that oneplus 6 is faster and already on pie but also like the spen. Can anyone who has either come from oneplus 6 or have both phones please comment especially on performance differences between the 2 please thanks.

If you want speed stay on op6... If you want other stuff.. get the note 9

chivu10 said:
If you want speed stay on op6... If you want other stuff.. get the note 9
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Generally true. But if you reduce the animation speeds on N9 the percieved difference on normal tasks is much less.
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marvi0 said:
So need to replace my razer phone and not sure what to get. I like the fact that oneplus 6 is faster and already on pie but also like the spen. Can anyone who has either come from oneplus 6 or have both phones please comment especially on performance differences between the 2 please thanks.
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Any particular reason you want to move away from the RazerPhone or, not upgrade to the RazerPhone2?
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arbit12 said:
Generally true. But if you reduce the animation speeds on N9 the percieved difference on normal tasks is much less.
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You could do the same on your OP6 which makes te difference the same again...
@marvi0:
I switched from an OP6 and haven't regretted it since. Yes, the OP6 is absolutely awesome and the UI is quite a lot faster than the Note 9(exynos) running Samsung Experience.
But the Note 9 still is impressively fast and of course full of features. It's a 'no concession' phone packed with everything you can think of, hard- and softwarewise. It's the feature packed OS and top quality hardware that do it for me. The speakers are awesome in contrast to the OP6's tinny speaker and the battery lasts all day everyday. Also the camera's are among the best the market has to offer, it takes stunning pictures.
But in terms of speed and stability it just can't compete with the OnePlus 6 running Oxygen OS. That thing is just insanely fast(especially unlocking it with fingerprint or face) and quite stable actually. When you're in an app there's no detectable difference, but any action that involves Oxygen OS just happens instantly. So if that's your thing and you don't care about (sometimes gimmicky) features too much, I'd stick with the OP6.
Also you should not expect the same 'power to the users' attitude from Samsung. They do listen to the community, but kind of do it on their own terms and only when they feel like it.

I have both, the note is international version, seriously day to day use I feel no real difference but differently the op6 is snappier. And oneplus is the newer phone in my hand, I just loved the red color and got it as a second phone BUT, U get what u pay for in this case, note 9 has a much better screen, longer battery life, huge difference in speakers and noeird software issues (for example I can't download pubg from the play store on my op6) plus of course the Samsung extras ip68 spen dex bla bla bla
If u need an advice go for the note, it's selling as the same price as op6t on eBay which is just crazy stupid since the OP suppose to be half the price

ozzy21 said:
You could do the same on your OP6 which makes te difference the same again...
@marvi0:
I switched from an OP6 and haven't regretted it since. Yes, the OP6 is absolutely awesome and the UI is quite a lot faster than the Note 9(exynos) running Samsung Experience.
But the Note 9 still is impressively fast and of course full of features. It's a 'no concession' phone packed with everything you can think of, hard- and softwarewise. It's the feature packed OS and top quality hardware that do it for me. The speakers are awesome in contrast to the OP6's tinny speaker and the battery lasts all day everyday. Also the camera's are among the best the market has to offer, it takes stunning pictures.
But in terms of speed and stability it just can't compete with the OnePlus 6 running Oxygen OS. That thing is just insanely fast(especially unlocking it with fingerprint or face) and quite stable actually. When you're in an app there's no detectable difference, but any action that involves Oxygen OS just happens instantly. So if that's your thing and you don't care about (sometimes gimmicky) features too much, I'd stick with the OP6.
Also you should not expect the same 'power to the users' attitude from Samsung. They do listen to the community, but kind of do it on their own terms and only when they feel like it.
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Hmm many thanks for your detailed reply. The note 9 you moved to is it the 6gb or 8gb variant?. I will be getting the 6gb variant and just like you I feel the extra features on Samsung do help overall,without even mentioning the ? spen. I think am definitely leaning towards a note 9 thanks.

vodovodo said:
I have both, the note is international version, seriously day to day use I feel no real difference but differently the op6 is snappier. And oneplus is the newer phone in my hand, I just loved the red color and got it as a second phone BUT, U get what u pay for in this case, note 9 has a much better screen, longer battery life, huge difference in speakers and noeird software issues (for example I can't download pubg from the play store on my op6) plus of course the Samsung extras ip68 spen dex bla bla bla
If u need an advice go for the note, it's selling as the same price as op6t on eBay which is just crazy stupid since the OP suppose to be half the price
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Hi thanks. The note 9 you have is it the 6gb or 8gb variant?

I have both OP6(8,128) and Note 9(6,128).
For me, I use Note 9 to watch videos, becsuse it has a wonderful screen and powerful speakers.
I use OP6 to browse news, play games and communicate with others.IT IS SUPER FAST AND SMOOTH.
btw, I bring Note 9 to work. It is a nice tool,while OP6 is more likely a toy.

Get the Samsung note 9 it's almost as fast as the one us 6 or 6t lacked with more features

marvi0 said:
Hmm many thanks for your detailed reply. The note 9 you moved to is it the 6gb or 8gb variant?. I will be getting the 6gb variant and just like you I feel the extra features on Samsung do help overall,without even mentioning the ? spen. I think am definitely leaning towards a note 9 thanks.
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I moved from the 128/8GB OP6 to the 512/8GB Note 9. I do feel like the extra 2GB is a bit useless though. I rarely fill more than 6 GB's of RAM.

marvi0 said:
Hi thanks. The note 9 you have is it the 6gb or 8gb variant?
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6gb my friend.
As said, note 9 is a great multifunctional tool, op6 it's a wonderful toy

I bought One plus 6 256 GB Storage 8 GB ram and using it 2 months then switch to Note 9 Exynos 6GB.
What I don't like
1. USB port sucks. only able to charge and transfer data. Can't connect with external devices.
2. If you root you get Widevine L3
3. Battery level sucks. almost not survive 1 day.
4. Only one speaker.
6. no wireless charge.
What I love.
1. It's extremely fast.
2. It's brick free. you can unbrick it by yourself.
3. Android Pie Stable ROM come very fast.
4. lack of bloatware.
5. Even you root your device. warranty won't void.
6. Dash charge is extremely fast.
7. OxygenOS is clean and stable.
The reason I change to Note 9 because mine was defect unit and I got a refund.
Mine was Widevine L3 no matter how I or Remote support guys were trying to fix it. It need to be sent to service center to fix it and it has none in Thailand.
If I can choose again I will choose one plus 6 and keep my extra money for something else.

Phew so based on you lovely guys views the note 9 has all the bells and whistles but it lacks the power and speed of the oneplus 6. That worries me though as speed does matter.

marvi0 said:
Phew so based on you lovely guys views the note 9 has all the bells and whistles but it lacks the power and speed of the oneplus 6. That worries me though as speed does matter.
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I have both the OP6T & Note 9.
The performance is comparable,any speed difference is negligible in daily use (unless you spend your days doing side-by-side comparisons,LOL).
If I had to choose,it's no contest,the Note 9 for the win.
If you value the S-Pen & Dex,the Note 9.
If not,save some $$$ & get the OnePlus,even going back to last year's OP5 or 5T.
I'm not picky on cameras,as long as the phone is quick to snap a relatively clear/sharp pic,it's all good to me.
If cameras are your thing,perhaps some Googling/YouTube search is in order for comparison.

Coming from someone who had the 6t and switched to the note 9 (paid $50 for restocking fee) I think the note 9 is a much better device. Hardware is better the battery is better, display is better and all those extra features are just the icing on the cake. Trust me.

marvi0 said:
Phew so based on you lovely guys views the note 9 has all the bells and whistles but it lacks the power and speed of the oneplus 6. That worries me though as speed does matter.
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The Note 9 does not lack speed. It's like the comparison between a BMW M5 and a Ferrari. The BMW does not lack speed at all, but the Ferrari remains quite a bit faster. The BMW however does do/have a ton of other practical things that a Ferrari can't.
And like I said, you'll only notice the difference in speed in UI actions and not when running apps. In terms of power the two devices are basically capable of doing the same thing because of their SOC's. However, you might want to go for a Note 9 if you're a gamer or use some heavy apps as it has liquid cooling. My OP6 did warm up quite a bit when running CAD apps or games like Asphalt 9, the Note 9 stays noticeably cooler.

Having owned both phones it's hard to say because both are really good phones and you can't go wrong with either or.
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just received an update with 1 november security update, battery so far is way better on standby (exynos version here) which was my main complain about this beast.
i disagree that both can do the same things, no other phone can do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ox9XzePkk

vodovodo said:
just received an update with 1 november security update, battery so far is way better on standby (exynos version here) which was my main complain about this beast.
i disagree that both can do the same things, no other phone can do this:
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Very true, no other phone handles multitasking as well as Samsung flagships and especially the Note series! What I meant with capability of doing the same things was the performance of the SOC's.

Note 9 vs. S10+ which will last longer?

Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?

androidbadboy said:
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
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i'm using a Tab S 8.4 SM-T705 LTE as a daily driver it's coming up to 5 years, it's still going strong! im rooted modded my Tab S is an awesome bit of kit!
Both phones you have suggested, can easily last past 5 years so it's up to you what are you reqiuremnets do you need a S-PEN ? or you into photography then go for the S10+
i'm planning on keeping my Note 9 for next 5+ years! that's if samsung dont put a hole in the display, for the next Note lineup, if they do then this is my last Note from samsung i'm ever purchasing!
if you dont mind the hole punch in the display? Then go for the S10+ as that screen on the S10+ looks awesome! i find it much brighter then the Note 9! Also i doubt i'll ever upgrade my Note 9 to ONE UI PIE 9 it runs super smooth on Oreo 8.1 so i'm sorted for the next half decade!
It's all about personal preference,

N1NJATH3ORY said:
i'm using a Tab S 8.4 SM-T705 LTE as a daily driver it's coming up to 5 years, it's still going strong! im rooted modded my Tab S is an awesome bit of kit!
Both phones you have suggested, can easily last past 5 years so it's up to you what are you reqiuremnets do you need a S-PEN ? or you into photography then go for the S10+
i'm planning on keeping my Note 9 for next 5+ years! that's if samsung dont put a hole in the display, for the next Note lineup, if they do then this is my last Note from samsung i'm ever purchasing!
if you dont mind the hole punch in the display? Then go for the S10+ as that screen on the S10+ looks awesome! i find it much brighter then the Note 9! Also i doubt i'll ever upgrade my Note 9 to ONE UI PIE 9 it runs super smooth on Oreo 8.1 so i'm sorted for the next half decade!
It's all about personal preference,
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Thanks for responding!
1. As I said I don't need a S-Pen and I don't need a super good cam. So neither drawing nor photo making is my deal. I just want a super fast Samsung phone like these 2.
2. The screen od S10+ looks and feels in touch even absolutley awesome.
3. I'm happy to hear that someone is not laughing that a device would last 5 years..
4. I found out yesterday in shop that on stock rom (Oreo) Note 9 runs smooth but I fear that after upgrading to Pie+ One UI there's going to be at least micropauses, (it freezes for a second), lags, no smoothnes enymore like in S8 that recently upgraded from Oreo. All stock, no root, no custom.
5. Do You think the same will happen to your Note9 after that upgrade? Are You afraid?
6. Is it possible not to accept an Android upgrade in Samsung but still accept security patches? And how can I do it since each time I will me asked to first - upgrade to Pie+OneUI?

androidbadboy said:
Thanks for responding!
1. As I said I don't need a S-Pen and I don't need a super good cam. So neither drawing nor photo making is my deal. I just want a super fast Samsung phone like these 2.
2. The screen od S10+ looks and feels in touch even absolutley awesome.
3. I'm happy to hear that someone is not laughing that a device would last 5 years..
4. I found out yesterday in shop that on stock rom (Oreo) Note 9 runs smooth but I fear that after upgrading to Pie+ One UI there's going to be at least micropauses, (it freezes for a second), lags, no smoothnes enymore like in S8 that recently upgraded from Oreo. All stock, no root, no custom.
5. Do You think the same will happen to your Note9 after that upgrade? Are You afraid?
6. Is it possible not to accept an Android upgrade in Samsung but still accept security patches? And how can I do it since each time I will me asked to first - upgrade to Pie+OneUI?
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1: S10+ is the one to go for then!
2: That screen is awesome i had a play with one wow it’s really sharp and bright it's an beautiful AMOLED display SAMSUNG nailed the S10+ display!
3: Dude there's nothing wrong with having a half a decade old device! (Please ignore keyboard warriors! Oh no he’s keeping a device for 5 years lol) When people see video playing on my Tab S 8.4 it's so sharp and bright they are shocked how amazing it looks not bad for nearly a 5 year old device!
4: its early days for ONE UI PIE 9 as i did install it only played with it for 24/48 hours! Man they have taken so much away really feels childish! i think Samsung thinks if they copy Apple they will become even more successful stupid way Samsung is going!
5: See my 4th answer early days as i said before let ONE UI PIE 9 get ripe maybe in a few years i'll upgrade!
6: No it’s not possible! Well that's what I’ve heard i could be wrong! Truthfully security patches I’m not bothered about them, there's so many sheep (No offence to anyone) People thinking if they don’t have the latest security patches they will get hacked or owned what a load of bull! Please note Google isn’t no small player! Also please note i do daily banking, Amazon Shopping eBay Purchases, PayPal Transfers purchases random website shopping etc. from my rooted Tab S 8.4 i haven't had no issue never been hacked! And i doubt it ill ever get hacked!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
1: S10+ is the one to go for then!
2: That screen is awesome i had a play with one wow it’s really sharp and bright it's an beautiful AMOLED display SAMSUNG nailed the S10+ display!
3: Dude there's nothing wrong with having a half a decade old device! (Please ignore keyboard warriors! Oh no he’s keeping a device for 5 years lol) When people see video playing on my Tab S 8.4 it's so sharp and bright they are shocked how amazing it looks not bad for nearly a 5 year old device!
4: its early days for ONE UI PIE 9 as i did install it only played with it for 24/48 hours! Man they have taken so much away really feels childish! i think Samsung thinks if they copy Apple they will become even more successful stupid way Samsung is going!
5: See my 4th answer early days as i said before let ONE UI PIE 9 get ripe maybe in a few years i'll upgrade!
6: No it’s not possible! Well that's what I’ve heard i could be wrong! Truthfully security patches I’m not bothered about them, there's so many sheep (No offence to anyone) People thinking if they don’t have the latest security patches they will get hacked or owned what a load of bull! Please note Google isn’t no small player! Also please note i do daily banking, Amazon Shopping eBay Purchases, PayPal Transfers purchases random website shopping etc. from my rooted Tab S 8.4 i haven't had no issue never been hacked! And i doubt it ill ever get hacked!
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With all do respect it's harder to get hacked on 1) tablet 2) old 3) rooted and maybe custom romed 4) not so popular compared to the phones we're talking about
besides I think I wrote that I'm not going to root nor custom rom the device ever EDIT: I didn't, I'm sorry, I edited the OP.
1. I know how factinating the screen is but the longivity is my absolute target.

androidbadboy said:
With all do respect it's harder to get hacked on 1) tablet 2) old 3) rooted and maybe custom romed 4) not so popular compared to the phones we're talking about
besides I think I wrote that I'm not going to root nor custom rom the device ever EDIT: I didn't, I'm sorry, I edited the OP.
1. I know how factinating the screen is but the longivity is my absolute target.
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if i didn’t have the Note 9 i would have gone for the S10+ one thing i hate about these days smartphones batteries are not user removable! My Tab S 8.4 i could easily get 10+ hours out of it hard use!
Now i get around 3 or 4 hours that’s with just under 4000 chargers discharges!
So this time I’m not letting the note 9 drop below 20% and i try not to charge full 100% keep it at 80 or 90% i just want to see few years even 4 years down the road if the battery can give me a easily day use as it now!
Just be careful with battery charge discharges if you really want it to last 4/5 years!
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S10 Plus vs Note 9 - The ULTIMATE Camera Comparison! just saw this video as you did say camera!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrdivAPBuM

N1NJATH3ORY said:
if i didn’t have the Note 9 i would have gone for the S10+ one thing i hate about these days smartphones batteries are not user removable! My Tab S 8.4 i could easily get 10+ hours out of it hard use!
Now i get around 3 or 4 hours that’s with just under 4000 chargers discharges!
So this time I’m not letting the note 9 drop below 20% and i try not to charge full 100% keep it at 80 or 90% i just want to see few years even 4 years down the road if the battery can give me a easily day use as it now!
Just be careful with battery charge discharges if you really want it to last 4/5 years!
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1. You removed the old battery and bought a new one?
2. I am already careful with that 20-90% but ti's quite hard on S8 with 3000 mAh but I imagine it even could be harder on Note 9 with 4000 mAh.
3. Let me ask You this: On the day of start of sale of Note 9 or on the day of start of sale of S10+ if both devices cost exactly the same would you still gone for S10+ and why?
You could have gone for Galaxy S devices long ago, with S9+ for example or ealier. Why did You even buy that Note9 then if You probably don't share my theory of Samsung respecting the Note users more than Galaxy S users?

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S10 Plus vs Note 9 - The ULTIMATE Camera Comparison! just saw this video as you did say camera!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrdivAPBuM
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I don't need to watch it. I compered these cams long time while being in a shop.
I don't care how great the winner is. The looser is still so good that I don't care about that.
And I said something about camera (read again please) for people not to try to suggest me getting a Xiaomi POCOPHONE F1 that has Snapdragon 845, from screens on the net it has a good camera and it costs 300 USD.

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1. You removed the old battery and bought a new one?
2. I am already careful with that 20-90% but ti's quite hard on S8 with 3000 mAh but I imagine it even could be harder on Note 9 with 4000 mAh.
3. Let me ask You this: On the day of start of sale of Note 9 or on the day of start of sale of S10+ if both devices cost exactly the same would you still gone for S10+ and why?
You could have gone for Galaxy S devices long ago, with S9+ for example or ealier. Why did You even buy that Note9 then if You probably don't share my theory of Samsung respecting the Note users more than Galaxy S users?
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1: Nope it’s still the original battery!
2: brilliant i only recently found out 20-80% battery theory!
3: That’s hard question wow I’m leaning towards the Note 9 due to Bluetooth S-Pen it's so cool and real handy in real world use! Plus Note feels more pro type of device! But after seeing the S10+ the other day! Sorry here I go again the screen i know i keep going on about the screen sorry i can’t get it out of my head it's so crisp bright! But the only true upper hand the S10+ has over the Note-9 is the camera setup and here i go again screen and off course the newer Exynos CPU!
4: i did go for the Galaxy S8+ on launch (waste of £870 as I didn’t use more than a handful of times. I swear I didn’t charge it no more than 50 times no lie over a year and some odd months I had the s8+) See all my life i kind of have been a Note user don’t get me wrong the Galaxy S8+ was a brilliant device but dam did I find it real boring! It like felt this phone is not for power users, it’s for the general folk!
i agree with you 100% Samsung Note user do have more respect than there Galaxy S users! Everyone knows! Samsung Galaxy Note Smartphones are for the power users and the business users!
You can truly run a company of the Note 9 it’s got so much power plus DEX plus Linux on DEX! Yeah I know you can get it on the Galaxy S range! But it feels more premium when it’s running on the Note sorry to sound geeky but you can’t mess with the Galaxy Note range as it’s in the league of its own!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
1: Nope it’s still the original battery!
2: brilliant i only recently found out 20-80% battery theory!
3: That’s hard question wow I’m leaning towards the Note 9 due to Bluetooth S-Pen it's so cool and real handy in real world use! Plus Note feels more pro type of device! But after seeing the S10+ the other day! Sorry here I go again the screen i know i keep going on about the screen sorry i can’t get it out of my head it's so crisp bright! But the only true upper hand the S10+ has over the Note-9 is the camera setup and here i go again screen and off course the newer Exynos CPU!
4: i did go for the Galaxy S8+ on launch (waste of £870 as I didn’t use more than a handful of times. I swear I didn’t charge it no more than 50 times no lie over a year and some odd months I had the s8+) See all my life i kind of have been a Note user don’t get me wrong the Galaxy S8+ was a brilliant device but dam did I find it real boring! It like felt this phone is not for power users, it’s for the general folk!
i agree with you 100% Samsung Note user do have more respect than there Galaxy S users! Everyone knows! Samsung Galaxy Note Smartphones are for the power users and the business users!
You can truly run a company of the Note 9 it’s got so much power plus DEX plus Linux on DEX! Yeah I know you can get it on the Galaxy S range! But it feels more premium when it’s running on the Note sorry to sound geeky but you can’t mess with the Galaxy Note range as it’s in the league of its own!
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1. wow, just wow!
2. Me too.
3. I don't mind that you bring it up often cause I also was paralyzed when I saw and touched S10+ screen with my bare hands and it totally ruined my plans for quick decision making. I was mezmorized just like You and yeah the Note 9 ' 10nm Exynos vs. 8 nm Exynos in S10+ that makes it even more harder cause the seller told me it's the first Samsung SoC that took the idea of AI seriously, however I don't believe in this hardware-software AI marketing BS. It's just good software algorythms and all - like the ones that make photos better and find faces on camera app. The newer Exynos is just better case it's minus nm and its newer a probably better.
4. I'm shocked how we share very simillar experiance and way of thinking. My S8 was long on the shelf aswell. I agree with the rest.
5. Can You please tell me if I order Note 9 in 1h what are the names of these DEX devices to put into the cart that are for Note9 deigned. I will get a % off then. I don't have time to check it now on line cause there's too much of this and Samsung always changed something in names depending on which type of flagship and generation it was.
6. I share real conceirn about not accepting any update after potentially purchasing Note9 - cause the first will probably be the Pie+OneUI ****pack.
7. Please tell me in short about Linux on Dex that you mentioned. What's that about?

androidbadboy said:
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
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You said a couple of things (you don't need a pen, for note in this case, and don't need super camera, S10 in this other case) that for me means that you don't really need both of them and for the pen, this was the real deal that made a note the most reliable respect to others in business terms in all the years since this solution was adopted to a phone / faphlet making it more nearly to laptops or desktops in its business functions.
In business terms, less bugs is the right solution and to have this situation, that means less firmware updates and not the opposite because when having a lot of updates, that means mostly correction of bugs and not only monthly security pacthes....for example, passing from oreo to Pie only when Pie gets to be solid rock is right for the note because it's intended for business uses but not for the S10 because it's intended for people who wants mostly a new OS for the new functions and don't mostly care of some secondary bugs knowing that there going away in the next releases so they can wait. Seams ridiculess, but believe me that there are a lot of people that wants the beta versions (full of the wrost bugs) because they can't wait for the stable versions coming out.
Saing this, the bugs that can afflict a phone after a major OS update is equel to every model so battery drains, freezes, slowing down situations and other things can or can't happen equally to all and mostley bepends on the modifications (new launchers, apps in conflict with the new OS, ecc) made to the phone before the upgrade that goes in conflict and even depends on cash /data conflicts and corruptions so that's the reason why when having problems, wipe cash or data of the single app or of the entire phone resolves.
For the phone itself, the note 9 is the only one having a revolutionary cooper pipe cooling system that makes cpu and gpu working cooler and faster (less autotrotheling for to much heating... in other words, less cpu gpu frequency drop downs for heating protection ) and makes all being more durable and only for this, the note is the best since now, even more then the S10, and this should be even the answer of the title of this thread.
On the other hand, the S10 is the new model and like for the coming out of all new models, it's going to have new hardware solutions so better cameras, stronger and faster cpu / gpu respect to the older models. Notoriously, the note series having same hardware of the S series so the note 9 is basicly an S9 with a better cooling system (the first time happening) , bigger battery and screen and also having a pen with correlated functions...so, definitely, the choise is yours and depends on what you need or want.

joedellosso69 said:
You said a couple of things (you don't need a pen, for note in this case, and don't need super camera, S10 in this other case) that for me means that you don't really need both of them and for the pen, this was the real deal that made a note the most reliable respect to others in business terms in all the years since this solution was adopted to a phone / faphlet making it more nearly to laptops or desktops in its business functions.
In business terms, less bugs is the right solution and to have this situation, that means less firmware updates and not the opposite because when having a lot of updates, that means mostly correction of bugs and not only monthly security pacthes....for example, passing from oreo to Pie only when Pie gets to be solid rock is right for the note because it's intended for business uses but not for the S10 because it's intended for people who wants mostly a new OS for the new functions and don't mostly care of some secondary bugs knowing that there going away in the next releases so they can wait. Seams ridiculess, but believe me that there are a lot of people that wants the beta versions (full of the wrost bugs) because they can't wait for the stable versions coming out.
Saing this, the bugs that can afflict a phone after a major OS update is equel to every model so battery drains, freezes, slowing down situations and other things can or can't happen equally to all and mostley bepends on the modifications (new launchers, apps in conflict with the new OS, ecc) made to the phone before the upgrade that goes in conflict and even depends on cash /data conflicts and corruptions so that's the reason why when having problems, wipe cash or data of the single app or of the entire phone resolves.
For the phone itself, the note 9 is the only one having a revolutionary cooper pipe cooling system that makes cpu and gpu working cooler and faster (less autotrotheling for to much heating ) and makes all be more durable and only for this, the note is the best since now... even more then the S10.
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That is a very original point of view. Thanks a lot for Your input.
1. I don't need a pen cause I'm not an artist, drawer, graphics guy. I bought a Stylus for S8 and I enjoy it and use it 1/3 of the time. Maybe I get addicted to S-Pen like many people as I've heard.
2. I like smooth and fast responsive phones with super AMOLED and nice interface ..... etc. so S10+ vs. Note 9 stays on the battle field.
3. Do You think that upgrading S8 the first day Pie+OneUI came trough OTA and started lagging, 1-second freezing, not smoothing would never happen on the first day on Note9 and now after some time I could with no hesitation update Note9 and be sure that I will notice no drop in the 2. point areas?

androidbadboy said:
1. wow, just wow!
2. Me too.
3. I don't mind that you bring it up often cause I also was paralyzed when I saw and touched S10+ screen with my bare hands and it totally ruined my plans for quick decision making. I was mezmorized just like You and yeah the Note 9 ' 10nm Exynos vs. 8 nm Exynos in S10+ that makes it even more harder cause the seller told me it's the first Samsung SoC that took the idea of AI seriously, however I don't believe in this hardware-software AI marketing BS. It's just good software algorythms and all - like the ones that make photos better and find faces on camera app. The newer Exynos is just better case it's minus nm and its newer a probably better.
4. I'm shocked how we share very simillar experiance and way of thinking. My S8 was long on the shelf aswell. I agree with the rest.
5. Can You please tell me if I order Note 9 in 1h what are the names of these DEX devices to put into the cart that are for Note9 deigned. I will get a % off then. I don't have time to check it now on line cause there's too much of this and Samsung always changed something in names depending on which type of flagship and generation it was.
6. I share real conceirn about not accepting any update after potentially purchasing Note9 - cause the first will probably be the Pie+OneUI ****pack.
7. Please tell me in short about Linux on Dex that you mentioned. What's that about?
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So true! Once you see that screen on the S10+ man it's like a sledge hammer imprint on the brain! crazy how bright and really vivid + super sharp Samsung has pushed that oled panel to wow!
Yeah defo the Exynos in the S10+ is way better! Samsung is really pushing towards the AI side of things! I havent really read up on the 10nm vs 8nm will do sometime! Bixby they are pushing as there Ai, Bixby isn't that bad it comes pretty handy once you know the commands!
For Dex you need a USB-C - HDMI cable or you can purchase Clicky--> Samsung Multiport Adapter EE-P5000BBEGWW Also you will need a Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse, once all hooked up you got a full desktop experience!
Same with Linux witch can run in DEX so you got a full desktop O.S from your smartphone!
DEX is pretty polished off you can browse the web play games edit documents office etc. really you got a portable laptop in your pocket!
See pics!!
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/hdmi-adapter-usb-c-ee-hg950/
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/dex-station-with-travel-adaptor/

N1NJATH3ORY said:
So true! Once you see that screen on the S10+ man it's like a sledge hammer imprint on the brain! crazy how bright and really vivid + super sharp Samsung has pushed that oled panel to wow!
Yeah defo the Exynos in the S10+ is way better! Samsung is really pushing towards the AI side of things! I havent really read up on the 10nm vs 8nm will do sometime! Bixby they are pushing as there Ai, Bixby isn't that bad it comes pretty handy once you know the commands!
For Dex you need a USB-C - HDMI cable or you can purchase Clicky--> Samsung Multiport Adapter EE-P5000BBEGWW Also you will need a Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse, once all hooked up you got a full desktop experience!
Same with Linux witch can run in DEX so you got a full desktop O.S from your smartphone!
DEX is pretty polished off you can browse the web play games edit documents office etc. really you got a portable laptop in your pocket!
See pics!!
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/hdmi-adapter-usb-c-ee-hg950/
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/dex-station-with-travel-adaptor/
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Thanks buddy!
1. The first link made my day - I need that for a laptop in this shape LOL!
2. The two second links at the bottom are strange - the last one says it's for S8/S8+ ("supports")
3. What is that whole in the middle of Dex Station - is it Gigabit Ethernet for RJ45 Lan Cable?
4. So Note9 has linux inside? wow, do you what distribution or if I can launch just being in Note9? Or this Linux is simple the thing I see in the monitor after connecting DeX?
5. Does DeX Station charge wirelessly or trough hard connecion with that USB-C stick stand up in the middle of the DeX?

androidbadboy said:
Thanks buddy!
1. The first link made my day - I need that for a laptop in this shape LOL!
2. The two second links at the bottom are strange - the last one says it's for S8/S8+ ("supports")
3. What is that whole in the middle of Dex Station - is it Gigabit Ethernet for RJ45 Lan Cable?
4. So Note9 has linux inside? wow, do you what distribution or if I can launch just being in Note9? Or this Linux is simple the thing I see in the monitor after connecting DeX?
5. Does DeX Station charge wirelessly or trough hard connecion with that USB-C stick stand up in the middle of the DeX?
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Yeah Dex first launched on the S8, S8+ it was a big deal for Samsung! They haven’t updated the page, it is compatible with the Note 9
I’m not sure if you can charger wireless, I do know it has inbuilt fan to keep your phone cool while in Dex mode... And it does charge the phone once docked!
Yes it is a gigabit Ethernet socket
I can’t answer that as I did order the Dex multi dock seller let me down so cant test what version of Linux is running on the note 9 see this link for more info on Linux for Samsung smartphones https://www.linuxondex.com/

N1NJATH3ORY said:
Yeah Dex first launched on the S8, S8+ it was a big deal for Samsung! They haven’t updated the page, it is compatible with the Note 9
I’m not sure if you can charger wireless, I do know it has inbuilt fan to keep your phone cool while in Dex mode... And it does charge the phone once docked!
Yes it is a gigabit Ethernet socket
I can’t answer that as I did order the Dex multi dock seller let me down so cant test what version of Linux is running on the note 9 see this link for more info on Linux for Samsung smartphones https://www.linuxondex.com/
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Dude, one very important thing, a "expert" on the net and in real life calimed that:
- the DeX station for Note8 is exclusive in name and in destination
- the DeX for Galaxy S9 is exclusive in destination and name
So now let's focus is there a third type of Dex or a fourth and what it is name and what does it do and for which phone is it?

androidbadboy said:
That is a very original point of view. Thanks a lot for Your input.
1. I don't need a pen cause I'm not an artist, drawer, graphics guy. I bought a Stylus for S8 and I enjoy it and use it 1/3 of the time. Maybe I get addicted to S-Pen like many people as I've heard.
2. I like smooth and fast responsive phones with super AMOLED and nice interface ..... etc. so S10+ vs. Note 9 stays on the battle field.
3. Do You think that upgrading S8 the first day Pie+OneUI came trough OTA and started lagging, 1-second freezing, not smoothing would never happen on the first day on Note9 and now after some time I could with no hesitation update Note9 and be sure that I will notice no drop in the 2. point areas?
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For 1. Pen is not mostly used for drawing reasons and normally it's used in many working fields and even in multy tasking environments and its the only way you can put an hand made signature in a document for example...
For 2. The response that you can have is mostley the same and if there's a difference, you will not be able to notice it if you don't put them both near to do the same things... So for me, this thing is worthless for deciding only if you consider it when phone is cold... Heat them by using them and, you can look if the note is faster because it's cooling system let's the cpu run on the same frequency as its cold...
For 3. The first version released of every OS is laggy whatever model you consider, Even for the note with Pie, then the other releases corrects buggs. Explained in my post why other things can happen and doesn't depend only for os having bugs by itself. OTA is the worst way for updating... better using a pc with smart switch or Odin.

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For 1. Pen is not mostly used for drawing reasons and normally it's used in many working fields and even in multy tasking environments and its the only way you can put an hand made signature in a document for example...
For 2. The response that you can have is mostley the same and if there's a difference, you will not be able to notice it if you don't put them both near to do the same things... So for me, this thing is worthless for deciding...
For 3. The first version released of every OS is laggy whatever model you consider, Even for the note with Pie, then the other releases corrects buggs. Explained in my post why other things can happen and doesn't depend only for os having bugs by itself. OTA is the worst way for updating... better using a pc with smart switch or Odin.
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2. I totally get what you mean but I am sensitive for Samsung's lagging, let's leave it there cause we both go into places we don't wan to be. S10+ vs. Note 9 stays!!!
1. What is multi tasking env. for you in this particular sentence?
3. The other releases corrects.... by releases you mean like Android 9.0.1 or Android 10 or security patches? Why OTA is bad and why smart switch (what's that?) or Odin (recovery mode ? how?) can be better?
BTW yeah I know, don't ask me how in the ..... I ended up on XDA with the last questions.

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2. I totally get what you mean but I am sensitive for Samsung's lagging, let's leave it there cause we both go into places we don't wan to be. S10+ vs. Note 9 stays!!!
1. What is multi tasking env. for you in this particular sentence?
3. The other releases corrects.... by releases you mean like Android 9.0.1 or Android 10 or security patches? Why OTA is bad and why smart switch (what's that?) or Odin (recovery mode ? how?) can be better?
BTW yeah I know, don't ask me how in the ..... I ended up on XDA with the last questions.
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Well, explaining some things could be to long so, for not going OT and for returning on the threads title and question, if the software is the same and offers same problematics , hardware is different and even if S10 has the most last hardware, the note has the most efficient cooling system ever made for a device and that makes more durability and also makes the device faster because not heating where others will causing, in the others, a decrease of cpu's frequency for overheating ... So, for me, note 9 is better.

@androidbadboy
I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
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In terms of business, the one thing Samsung takes seriously is Knox. This is irregardless of device.
Knox is what makes Samsung money once a device is sold to a business.
Want to build a custom APP using Samsung APIs or manage your Samsung device inventory, you have to pay Knox licensing fees.
One of the primary reasons you see security updates released for older devices is because multinational corporations and government outfits have thousands of Samsung devices in their possession. If we have a issue, we raise it with Samsung. They address it based on OUR severity versus THEIR OWN. If they don't, we go to the Carrier we purchased it from and apply pressure. Either way, internally or externally, the problem is addressed and the average consumer/enthusiast benefits.

From Note 8 to Note 10 to Note 9!

Ok so I had been humming along fine with my Note 8 for 2 years but recently I started playing pubg heavily and it would only last 3hrs at most I called bestbuy and they said they did not replace batteries in Samsung devices even though it stated they did on there site. Anywho I seen the sell on Amazon for 799 for the note10+ with galaxy buds so I bit! Got it home set it up beautiful phone aura glow very nice to look at BUT it would not pick up 1 bar sitting the same spot my note 8 sat which always had 2 bars of 4g+ . So I returned it and decided to just keep my note 8 and find a way to get a battery, but then about a week ago I was browsing ebay and Amazon everywhere looking at NOTE 9 Amazon was 900 for the 9 and 799 for the 10 but went on Ebay and found Microsoft on ebay had brand new unlocked note 9 on clearance with 1 year warranty for 449, so I bought it and wow the Note 9 had same signal as the 8 but better battery 4000mah and no hole in screen and led light and headphone jack! She only came in one color for the sale which is blue. I'm usually a black kind of person but for 450 I like it just the same I was going to leave it on oreo but my 8 had the pie and I was already accustomed to it so I updated it and pie has the better of battery life. I just scored the best deal ever seen for a never opened or turned on phone. Which is what I wanted btw there were hundreds of open box rehash junk but I wanted a warranty and a trustworthy seller. Microsoft ftw!!!

Newcomer to Samsung after being through Pixels, NExus, Nokia, Oneplus and just could not find something to fit.
Was offered a Note 9 (copper) second hand but in superb condition for £350 and thought what the hell as was looking at the S10 or Note 10.
Wow, blown away by the phone. Especially now have change the CSC to UK. So much smoother than my Pixel 3XL and with a bit more character to it. Screen scrolling is smooth and battery much better.
Am with you about the lack of pinhole or bezel.
Damn thing just works so may just stick with this and see what Note11 (or whatever they call it) comes about.

divvykev said:
Newcomer to Samsung after being through Pixels, NExus, Nokia, Oneplus and just could not find something to fit.
Was offered a Note 9 (copper) second hand but in superb condition for £350 and thought what the hell as was looking at the S10 or Note 10.
Wow, blown away by the phone. Especially now have change the CSC to UK. So much smoother than my Pixel 3XL and with a bit more character to it. Screen scrolling is smooth and battery much better.
Am with you about the lack of pinhole or bezel.
Damn thing just works so may just stick with this and see what Note11 (or whatever they call it) comes about.
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Yeah I have tried Google phone before and the radio in it is not nearly strong as the samsung. I used to be a Motorola guy but not since the note 8 I've stuck with Samsung ever since.

I experienced weaker cellular signal with both an S10e and an S9 than the better signal reception of my Note 9. I love this phone!
I had what I thought was the phone I really wanted, before this Note 9, in the Pixel 2 XL. What a disappointment. I just didn't like it. So much that I didn't even get around to rooting, before selling it.
I only miss a couple minor things, without root with the Note 9. This is the first unrootable phone I've had since 2012.
I got the 8/512 version, in hopes of keeping it for 4 years or more. I kept it on Oreo, because I did not want the new "features" of pie.
I'll let my S9 go to Android 10 / One UI version 2 and if all is well, may let the Note 9 update to that.
I've always felt that a phone runs best on its original Android version.

I am usually the same but I like the pie dark mode and aod touch to see. But oreo is a good os. I started to just stay with it but I'm looking forward to 10

pizza_pablo said:
I experienced weaker cellular signal with both an S10e and an S9 than the better signal reception of my Note 9. I love this phone!
I had what I thought was the phone I really wanted, before this Note 9, in the Pixel 2 XL. What a disappointment. I just didn't like it. So much that I didn't even get around to rooting, before selling it.
I only miss a couple minor things, without root with the Note 9. This is the first unrootable phone I've had since 2012.
I got the 8/512 version, in hopes of keeping it for 4 years or more. I kept it on Oreo, because I did not want the new "features" of pie.
I'll let my S9 go to Android 10 / One UI version 2 and if all is well, may let the Note 9 update to that.
I've always felt that a phone runs best on its original Android version.
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nothing is better than a phone running on its original Android version but... lets hope Android 10 change this... I have been on Oreo still and once Android 10 is stable enough.. I will jump to it!

Da-BOSS said:
nothing is better than a phone running on its original Android version but... lets hope Android 10 change this... I have been on Oreo still and once Android 10 is stable enough.. I will jump to it!
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It's nice to see someone agree with me, for a change!
Most are adamantly in favor of taking updates. I believe security updates are almost placebo, covering old threats, but I'm no software engineer.
My and the wife's Note 9s are on Oreo, with the December 1, 2018 security patch, experiencing no I'll affects. Are we just lucky?
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I am usually the same but I like the pie dark mode and aod touch to see. But oreo is a good os. I started to just stay with it but I'm looking forward to 10
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Pie's "dark mode" is so incomplete, it makes me wonder how "complete" the One UI 2.0 dark mode will actually be and the fact that it cannot be combined with a theme is utter stupidity.
I don't know this "aod touch to see". I'll have to go for up my S9 on Pie and compare the difference with the AOD on my Oreo Note 9.

pizza_pablo said:
It's nice to see someone agree with me, for a change!
Most are adamantly in favor of taking updates. I believe security updates are almost placebo, covering old threats, but I'm no software engineer.
My and the wife's Note 9s are on Oreo, with the December 1, 2018 security patch, experiencing no I'll affects. Are we just lucky?
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If you use mobile banking and financial apps on your mobile device, then I would highly recommend that you install the latest OS updates onto your device. As those patch the unknown security flaws in your device's OS. Without them you risk loosing your financial data to hackers.

iceepyon said:
If you use mobile banking and financial apps on your mobile device, then I would highly recommend that you install the latest OS updates onto your device. As those patch the unknown security flaws in your device's OS. Without them you risk loosing your financial data to hackers.
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Is there any data to backup such a claim?
What about phones that are old enough to no longer receive any update. Should they be thrown out?
Serious questions.

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Comparing a One + 7Pro with a Galaxy Note 10+ does not seem very wise to me. By cons with the One + 7T Pro yes.
The One + 7T Pro HD1913 released with Android 10 under Oxygen OS 10.0.5 HD01BA is really remarkable, no bug unlike the 7 Pro.
For network sensitivity and 4G + speed, the Note 10+ is lagging behind, I made the comparison directly with my operator and I therefore bought the One + 7T Pro.
It's been 10 years since I was a samsung pro, in the style of pierced screens while I never take a selfie, I much prefer the popup camera.
On the positive side too, there is no slew of totally useless applications like Samsung's.
I just replaced the original SMS / MMS application with "TEXTRA" and installed "BlueMail" to manage my email accounts.
I also have a Galaxy Note 9, certainly the stylus is practical but not essential.
The Note 10+ is a very good cell phone, but my first purchase criteria is above all network quality.
This is only my personal opinion.

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Is there any data to backup such a claim?
What about phones that are old enough to no longer receive any update. Should they be thrown out?
Serious questions.
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Seeing as those security patches are design to patch up security exploit holes in the OS. I would believe that installing them would be make your device more secure. Of course you are free to not install them. That choice is entirely up to you. I am just throwing in my 2 cents

iceepyon said:
Seeing as those security patches are design to patch up security exploit holes in the OS. I would believe that installing them would be make your device more secure. Of course you are free to not install them. That choice is entirely up to you. I am just throwing in my 2 cents
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One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.

pizza_pablo said:
One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.
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It's not a bold claim--it's a sensible and widely held belief, so of course 'one would think these to be true', no evidence forthcoming!
If any given security update blocks hackers from exploiting some method to get sensitive data, we are not likely to find data that some actual hackers were blocked. This is a good example of a negative that cannot be proven, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! In security, there are no absolutes; you take your chances. It's a well known generality that an updated system is more secure that one that is not updated.
If your banking data is on your phone, and you go read about all the latest holes, in smartphones, that can be exploited to steal your data and log into your bank, you could then go on a wild goosechase trying to determine what holes are on your phone and what patches apply and in what software versions, which is not easy! At that point it becomes apparent that it's more sensible to apply the latest updates (that's what most people do). On the other hand, if you don't look into it, you could just pretend that your phone is better than most phones and there are no security holes that need to be fixed. In that case, ignorance is bliss, right?
I have halted all my updates since summer of 2019, because I don't want to roll forward my bootloader version, for the rare chance that there might one day be a method to root the Qualcomm variant, only on an early bootloader. Although that is looking grim, and I really should keep my phone updated. The point is, I don't trust that updates are only for my benefit, since it's clear that 'security' updates from Samsung are sometimes more about keeping me from being able to own my phone than protecting my data. I am not in any denial of either.
Also, to OP, ya, this Note 9 is 'better' than the Note 10. I bought mine brand new last spring for about $600 before the Note 10 was released, and I bought it knowing that the Note 10 would be worse, which is why I did not wait for the Note 10 release. What seems interesting is the Note 10 is so not loved that the Note 9 actually went back up in price after the release of the Note 10! Way to go, Samsung!! Curved screen, non-replaceable battery, camera holes/notches, removing headphone jack, bendable screens, and just generally trying so hard to be 'cool' like Apple, is what has turned me off of their products and Samsung as a company. It's like they used to target a market of more sensible lovers of tech, but now they have changed their target market to go after all the Apple fanboys, who fall for gimmickry rather than appreciate really sensible and cutting-edge design, leaving their old market behind. I am not a big fan anymore, and I'll likely look for another brand when I am ready to upgrade.

gruuvin said:
It's not a bold claim--it's a sensible and widely held belief, so of course 'one would think these to be true', no evidence forthcoming!
If any given security update blocks hackers from exploiting some method to get sensitive data, we are not likely to find data that some actual hackers were blocked. This is a good example of a negative that cannot be proven, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! In security, there are no absolutes; you take your chances. It's a well known generality that an updated system is more secure that one that is not updated.
If your banking data is on your phone, and you go read about all the latest holes, in smartphones, that can be exploited to steal your data and log into your bank, you could then go on a wild goosechase trying to determine what holes are on your phone and what patches apply and in what software versions, which is not easy! At that point it becomes apparent that it's more sensible to apply the latest updates (that's what most people do). On the other hand, if you don't look into it, you could just pretend that your phone is better than most phones and there are no security holes that need to be fixed. In that case, ignorance is bliss, right?
I have halted all my updates since summer of 2019, because I don't want to roll forward my bootloader version, for the rare chance that there might one day be a method to root the Qualcomm variant, only on an early bootloader. Although that is looking grim, and I really should keep my phone updated. The point is, I don't trust that updates are only for my benefit, since it's clear that 'security' updates from Samsung are sometimes more about keeping me from being able to own my phone than protecting my data. I am not in any denial of either.
Also, to OP, ya, this Note 9 is 'better' than the Note 10. I bought mine brand new last spring for about $600 before the Note 10 was released, and I bought it knowing that the Note 10 would be worse, which is why I did not wait for the Note 10 release. What seems interesting is the Note 10 is so not loved that the Note 9 actually went back up in price after the release of the Note 10! Way to go, Samsung!! Curved screen, non-replaceable battery, camera holes/notches, removing headphone jack, bendable screens, and just generally trying so hard to be 'cool' like Apple, is what has turned me off of their products and Samsung as a company. It's like they used to target a market of more sensible lovers of tech, but now they have changed their target market to go after all the Apple fanboys, who fall for gimmickry rather than appreciate really sensible and cutting-edge design, leaving their old market behind. I am not a big fan anymore, and I'll likely look for another brand when I am ready to upgrade.
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pizza_pablo said:
One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.
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Not directed to you two specifically or anything...
Those security holes are definitely legit, but the breaking in and utilization of said holes aren't being reported on for very specific reasons. Especially when it comes to major multi-billion dollar companies that manufacture smartphones. You wouldn't want to buy a smartphone from a company that has had hacks occur on a regular basis. Not to mention if that did get out, the amount of crumbling some of these companies would face.
In my field of work, we report vulnerabilities we find to companies who's products we are using. Nothing ever gets out to say that a vulnerability was found. At least not that we have seen. I know a lot of folks have distrust of companies and why they update software but one simply needs to think like a business or the creator of something that's largely used by a lot of people, to understand why security updates are important. We all definitely have our reasons for not updating, but to not update and think everything will be fine is a bad idea. It's all fun and games or conspiracy until somebody gets hacked.
If you aren't going to update your phone PLEASE be careful what you do with your phone and especially what sites you visit.:good:

Ok update! The blue note 9 that I got on discount from Microsoft for 449 had to be sent back, the battery was acting funny and discharging very quickly after all updates. So I returned it. Now get this the very day I send it back Samsungs own outlet on ebay had the black note 9 wesley snipes edition 128gb for 349.99 brand new unlocked with 1 year warranty they had 5 left, I got the notification from ebay as I had been watching this item for some time at 549.99 but I guess they were trying to clear inventory dropped it 200 dollars so I bought 2 of them and about an hour or so later it went back to 549.99! Ooooohhhhh I just got them today 4% on both batteries I charged one up to 50 and keeping it stored and the other I'm using as my daily driver. I am on the original oreo factory firmware and going to stay there awhile which version of oreo are you oreo guys at? I'm sticking with oreo because it has 83 apps when its optimizing apps after updates and pie has 380 apps :0.

Android 11 Update List for Samsung Phones - No Note9

I think we pretty much knew this was inevitable, but I just noticed that Samsung just released this list today of Android 11 eligible devices. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the Galaxy Note 9.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/will-my-samsung-galaxy-device-get-android-11-update
What are we missing out on? So far, it looks like built-in screen recording, according to this Yahoo! article.
So basically, for us SM-N960u users, Android 10 with One UI 2.5 is essentially the end of the road, for us.

We have stock screen-recorder? Whay we need something from google? Screen recorder is there from from OneUi 2.0(android 10)

We have screen recorder already built in. We have the chat bubbles in a form via the pop up apps function. We can also resize pop up apps so the resizable picture in picture we also have of sorts. In Android 11 the screenshot doesn't have a notification in the panel which i find bad as in Android 10 i can take a screenshot, share it via some app and then simply delete it from the notification panel. In Android 11 you have to go to the gallery to delete a screenshot which you only needed to share, not save. Overall I'll be happy with Android 10 OneUI 2.5.

It's just getting close to the time where we're all gonna need to consider letting this phone go, that's all

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It's just getting close to the time where we're all gonna need to consider letting this phone go, that's all
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I bought it 6 months ago and have no intention of changing it for the next 5 years lol
Also if someone so desires new android versions there will most likely be ports from the Note10 Lite as it's the same phone.

koragg97 said:
I bought it 6 months ago and have no intention of changing it for the next 5 years lol
Also if someone so desires new android versions there will most likely be ports from the Note10 Lite as it's the same phone.
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i bought my note 9 about the same time as you did and agree that this phone is still awesome as an 2-year-old phone.
however, 5 years is a very long time and technology changes a lot by days. so im doubt that you could (want to) use this Note9 even after like 3 more years.

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I bought it 6 months ago and have no intention of changing it for the next 5 years lol
Also if someone so desires new android versions there will most likely be ports from the Note10 Lite as it's the same phone.
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Depending on what version of the phone you have there's no chance of ports. If it's not running exynos then customization isn't happening. Besides, 5 years is a disgustingly long time to hold onto any piece of technology outside of game systems and maybe computers/laptops.
The note 9 was/is a decent phone in it's own right but in today's time it's far outclassed by just about everything else. Removing old tech like headphone jacks and such doesn't make new things obsolete, technology is evolving and we're going into a true wireless era. It's not like you have to use Samsung's buds or anything. There's so many higher quality things out there.
Personally I just kinda don't like the idea of folks being so upset over not getting 3 major updates. The phone is old. Early adopters, late adopters. All have to just come to terms with it. It's not new, the tech looks dated in comparison to new devices. It's just the way it is

@yaibakt I had my S5 from early 2015 until early 2020 and it was not a Note + it was with a 32-bit CPU That's why it's no problem to keep the Note9 for at least as long for me. @KingVekxin 512GB/8GB Exynos 9810 here And I don't care that to some it's 'dated'. The uninterrupted display looks better than any type of notch or hole and there's no moving front pop-up camera. The removal of the jack isn't only about the more expensive wireless earbuds - it's yet another device to charge alongside your phone. But there are Type-C headphones so that's kinda ok (though you can't charge phone and listen at same time which you can do with the Note9). Also since I'm not rich or anything I won't change phones when mine becomes 'outdated' despite it serving its purpose perfectly (even better than newer phones with less useful features than it).
For my birthday in February I got a brand new PC as a present, then in March I bought the Ocean Blue 512GB/8GB Exynos Note9. Next step is saving for a car (so want the 2013 VW Golf, it's 8k euro here right now ).
PS: Not to mention that they removed the LED light as well which is extremely useful. Other removed stuff are the iris scanner, heart rate sensor, force touch home button and Bixby button (great as a mute switch) to name a few. And S Pen's and speaker's place is on the right side.