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I love using my phone for photography and as my daily driver I use the note 8 which has a dual camera on and quality is amazing even in low light however I have been looking at the p20 pro the only thing which puts me off is the lack of a memory card
Question has anyone made a similar move ?
How do you find the lack of memory card slot ?
Any issues with the phone??
How quick are the phone updates
The 40mp camera interested me but I don't want to regret the move
Thanks
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I did exactly this and have no regrets at all. Phone actually feels nicer in the handand 128gb is actually enough storage for me. Only had about 50gb of data between internal memory and my sd card on the More anyway.
Camera is great too though not a night and day difference if I'm honest. Is the only one I've used that can match Samsung for focus speed.
Performance feels smoother in general use. Samsung experience is still a little sluggish even after all these years.
Battery life is much better. Wasn't impressed with Note 8 longevity at all. Screen isn't as vibrant but it's still very nice.
I like the front fingerprint sensor better because I can unlock the phone without picking it up.
Can't speak for updates yet though. Only had the phone a week. Time will tell though the Mate 9 wasn't too bad on that front.
Hope this helps, feel free to ask me any other questions.
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I had move from Note 8 to s9+ and now to p20 pro...
You have to find out what you prefer most.
For my daily use i prefer p20 pro for excellent photos (I never take videos and if I will then fhd video is very good but not as Note 8 or s9+), front fingerprint with gestures (no use of nav bar), ir blaster, huge battery (30% up to Note 8 & 15-20% to S9+), excellent build quality and screen as Samsung,great signal - wifi...
If you used to work with spen then forget it and stay with Note 8 until Note 9 comes out but if you don't use it then think if you want S9+ or P20 pro... This 2 phones are so, so, so perfect....
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coming from s9+ to p20 pro havent found any problem yet.
about camera quality its already been proven alot of times p20 pro blast all mobile camera as of today https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/
if your using spen too much dont change its the only feature note 8 has over other mobiles.
camera quality is no better than note 8/s9 plus, front camera and video recording are mediocre to say the least, stick to your Note 8, Note 9 is few months away
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camera quality is no better than note 8/s9 plus, front camera and video recording are mediocre to say the least, stick to your Note 8, Note 9 is few months away
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Do you own both?
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Had an s9 for a couple of weeks, moved to p20 pro and now back to the s9 plus.
P20 pro is greatly over hyped.
The Bluetooth performance for me was a deal breaker as I couldn't run any headphones without stutter.
The touchscreen deadzone made things difficult when I had to use citrix or anything that required precise movements.
Camera is extremely inconsistent. It Can take good photos but you either need to use pro mode or get very lucky in auto.
I'll miss the battery and faster charging but that's about it
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had the p20 pro for a month, sent it back, went back to note 8, p20 is a hyped cheap feeling toy compared to note 8
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I had both, sold my note 8 yesterday. The infinity display is old news and causes more issues than it solves. No phone these days feels like a cheap toy unless you pay £50 for it so please don't spread nonsense.
As for "being" cheap and toys, that's definitely the Samsungs. They can't compete with the P20 Pro except with a memory card option.
P20 screen is better considering it's 1080p, better uniformity, no colour shift or red / pink issues. Sounds better than the Note. Takes better pictures by a mile. Lasts 8 hours SOT every single day for me. Note lasted 4-5 hours SOT.
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Had an s9 for a couple of weeks, moved to p20 pro and now back to the s9 plus.
P20 pro is greatly over hyped.
The Bluetooth performance for me was a deal breaker as I couldn't run any headphones without stutter.
The touchscreen deadzone made things difficult when I had to use citrix or anything that required precise movements.
Camera is extremely inconsistent. It Can take good photos but you either need to use pro mode or get very lucky in auto.
I'll miss the battery and faster charging but that's about it
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Can't say I agree here. I use the Bose headphones, Sony, and phillips bluetooth headphones, Zero stutter. The camera is more consistent than my Pixel 2 XL.
S9+ shoddy battery life and shoddy photos meant it only lasted me a few days.
TO THE OP ) - Try it, and ensure you have 14 days to send it back, but I have extensively tested it along side the Note 8, S8+, Pixel 2 XL and the S9 and I can tell you if you know how to use the phone without AI on, ie when to use HDR mode, or just shoot auto, you'll not regret it. )
It is a little stuttery though. The phone itself not the camera.
Whatever happens, the Note 8 is as good as the S9+ if not better in most depts.
Went from P20 Pro to S9, missing lighting-fast face recognition, camera zoom & huge battery, everything else better on S9.
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I had both, sold my note 8 yesterday. The infinity display is old news and causes more issues than it solves. No phone these days feels like a cheap toy unless you pay £50 for it so please don't spread nonsense.
As for "being" cheap and toys, that's definitely the Samsungs. They can't compete with the P20 Pro except with a memory card option.
P20 screen is better considering it's 1080p, better uniformity, no colour shift or red / pink issues. Sounds better than the Note. Takes better pictures by a mile. Lasts 8 hours SOT every single day for me. Note lasted 4-5 hours SOT.
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Can't say I agree here. I use the Bose headphones, Sony, and phillips bluetooth headphones, Zero stutter. The camera is more consistent than my Pixel 2 XL.
S9+ shoddy battery life and shoddy photos meant it only lasted me a few days.
TO THE OP ) - Try it, and ensure you have 14 days to send it back, but I have extensively tested it along side the Note 8, S8+, Pixel 2 XL and the S9 and I can tell you if you know how to use the phone without AI on, ie when to use HDR mode, or just shoot auto, you'll not regret it. )
It is a little stuttery though. The phone itself not the camera.
Whatever happens, the Note 8 is as good as the S9+ if not better in most depts.
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Will have to agree to disagree
Pixel 2 does a lot better in daylight shots as does the s9
Only place the p20 camera does better is extreme low light however something you said I do agree with.
You can take better pictures with the p20 but as I said, it's a poor point and shoot.
S9 is MUCH better for that but if you can use manual mode, p20 has a higher ceiling.
My use case doesn't work with that, by the time km done fudging the settings the moment is gone.
My p20 screen has major uniformity issues but that seems to be a lottery these days.
I 100% agree try both, 14 days should be plenty to decide.
For me. The advantages of the s9 way outweigh the advantage of battery and manual camera.
Bluetooth is poor, maybe I live in a high interference area but both s9 and pixel have 0 problems.
If you play games that scrolling deadzone will make life very difficult
Of course the battery difference will be more pronounced going from note 8 to p20 than s9 to p20
I had a note and ditched it for the awful battery
What's this dead zone that people are talking about? Haven't noticed any such thing, how do I test for it?
By the way Bluetooth turned to crap on my Note 8 after the Oreo update. Would not sync automatically to my car and I'd have to fiddle around hitting the connect button a few times until it would eventually work.
Maybe I'll try Samsung again when the Note 9 comes out. Not sure. Many good things about their phones but the curved display got old after a while.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/help/horrible-touchscreen-latency-lag-delay-t3774567
It's this
I made a decision and purchased the mate ten pro I have to say I love it only downside is no memory card expansion but the camera is awesome I thought the note 8 was brilliant I love the AI
I played with the p20 pro however I wasn't working out the cost I purchased the p10 pro for £250 less
I have taken loads of pics and the AI gets it right almost all of the time
If anyone wants a superb branded Huawei I heartily recommend the p10 pro
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Will trade you my p20 and s9 for the pups
I can't make mine do it. Could it be a software issue that's been fixed on my version? Or are they shipping inferior hardware to some parts of the world?
Is that on the p20 pro or p10 pro
I just point at something and it works it out have took loads of shots and it's not faulted once
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I switched from the S8 Plus .. I was thought of waiting for the Note 9 to arrive, but was going to jump on the S9 Plus instead... That's until I started watching the review videos for the P20 Pro.. So I went with my gut and jumped on the P20 Pro .. After a week of using it, I'm impressed.. Battery life is remarkable..
1) 14 hour work day with moderate usage and I have 65% battery life left ..
2) Facial recognition fastest I've seen yet..
3) Where I would normally have bad reception through AT&T in certain areas and inside buildings, appear to not be there anymore.
4) I have not had it act sluggish at all.. No matter what I'm throwing at it and with many apps open in the background..
5) Camera .. Just Wow !!..
The only negative things are: No SD card slot and No head phone jack .. But the other stuff sure makes up for it ..
You can mitigate the lack of headphone jack with a USB C Charging and 3.5mm adaptor from Amazon for about £8. Works perfectly. Personally I use AirPods 99% of the time but I like the option of using wired headphones at night, as I tend to stick my phone in airplane mode.
Battery life is definitely better than the Note 8 but I found the Note 8 absolutely abysmal in terms of its battery life, so that's no great surprise.
The AI is very iffy. As a point and shoot I'd rather use an iPhone 8, Samsung or Pixel. The P20 Pro just gets it wrong too often - for example it will turn on Portrait Mode for shots if it spots a face but there are very few scenarios where I actually want to use their janky fake bokeh. It'll also turn on a 'scanner' mode if it sees a label - so the other day I took a picture of a beer and it just produced a crop of its label! You can turn off AI but the pictures then just look a lot blander and less dynamic than the Pixel. Pro mode is fun and produces excellent results but I rarely have time for that.
Software updates are my biggest concern. I'm genuinely worried that Huawei are very poor with software updates - particularly with carrier devices like my EE model. I'm already still on the March security update and hearing that other people have a new version with new improvements. It's almost like Project Treble was just a dream that I woke up from.
i have both s9 plus and p20 pro and i both use them everyday and compare them side by side together. taking pictures p20 pro is a no brainer its better than s9 plus its even proven in dx0 mark website so you really dont have to do experiments on how to properly take a picture and get the best result out of it. battery everybody knows p20 pro is better i before my s9plus i had note 8 im a heavy user my note 8 coming out of charge from full just in less than an hour my batts already around 97 almost same as my s9 plus.. about the 3.5mm jack issue i always use my bluetooth headsets so not a problem. sd card even 64gb is enough for me considering i have googlephotos and i upload all my photos automatically and delete all of if i need space locally
because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.
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because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.
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I wouldn't say the P20 Pro is considered a particularly fast phone going by current CPU standards. Set up right though it can still fly and it has the hardware to make itl a true powerhouse still. I think Mi8 will still be quicker if set up right.
I never use selfie camera really but I still don't think it's the best, can't compare with Mi8..
I love the P20 Pro really for the..
-Minimal notch, blacked out of course, implemented in the right way.
-Front fingerprint sensor and general awesome navigation hub it is (when onscreen buttons disabled) - maximising screen real estate
-Battery life
-EMUI! Yes, I like it and the ultimate control it gives you over apps (apart from a few system apps of course)
rbyptr said:
because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.
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phone still perform swiftly after years and around 7 firmware updates (on PIE now) - never wiped data even once since bought
dont expect it to match SD845 though, it wont,
rear camera is splendid, especially when you know how to use it better along the time you use it (early user might confused, disappointed and else, but most of seasoned photographer turned out like it)
selfie wont compete at all with your S8. S8 has autofocus on front cam. And that alone will give you much better selfie, anytime, anyday.
Selfie from this phone is not bad by any mean, it just you need to get a grasp on the optimum distance of its fixed focus lens, and turn down the exposure (this feature only avail after PIE), else it will try to lighten your face a lot (i guess this style is favourable in asia and probably india).
Battery will beat your S8 day and night, even after year usage i never had issue with battery life.
Mi8 rear cam is good, but once you know how to use P20 cam, it wont match the P20 one,
best bet on Mi8 is by using Gcam pixel 3 port. It boost the results a lot, but still with lack flexibility of manual set up (if this was not you thing, going Mi 8 route is fine i guess) - coz, Mi 8 has better development scheme ongoing. You can use custom PIE ROM and any other mod in easier manner.
if you decide to get P20 pro, better stay on stock EMUI (it has less quirk compared to stock MIUI to be honest - am using Redmi Note 5 Ai as 2ndary phone FYI). Just root, debloat a bit and tweak some stuff (adblock, LKT, disable swap, etc) its good enough for 8/9 out of 10 daily conditions you would expect as smartphone users.
thing you probably will miss from S8 (i used S8 for few months as well) would be : edge shotcut, front cam auto focus, build-in clipboard feature (well at least those are for me)
Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??
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Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??
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You are in wrong place mate. This is S10 forum and you are posting about Huawei. Do you think anyone would care?
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You are in wrong place mate. This is S10 forum and you are posting about Huawei. Do you think anyone would care?
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No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?
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No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?
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I never been with Huawei before. But I do know Megapixel is a gimmick. If the camera software is not good, all these megapixels are nothing but more storage space.
You could have a 58mgp camera sensor and if it's not implemented correctly (software controlled) then it's just a higher number. For example 12gb ram well there is absolutely no need for it, Android and apps will never need that, so it's a high number without any practicality.
It's marketing to some degree also, higher numbers are better right, 12gb ram, 58mgp camera ect.
So if you wish to be fooled look to the Pixel with a 12mgp single lens that shows clearly my point.
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No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?
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EMUI will trigger a slow descent into madness. It's quite a frustrating experience. The aggressive app management is great for the battery life but a terrible user experience. AOD is frustratingly useless and don't get me started on notifications. A nightmare... The wireless desktop thingy is a cool party trick and the camera can be great. It's not as consistent as the pixel's. I would streer clear if I were you.
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You could have a 58mgp camera sensor and if it's not implemented correctly (software controlled) then it's just a higher number. For example 12gb ram well there is absolutely no need for it, Android and apps will never need that, so it's a high number without any practicality.
It's marketing to some degree also, higher numbers are better right, 12gb ram, 58mgp camera ect.
So if you wish to be fooled look to the Pixel with a 12mgp single lens that shows clearly my point.
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I have had a couple of Huawei phones and wouldn't touch one again ever. While EMUI was one factor, the main reason is lack of support in the US. They are a pretty popular phone overseas though.
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Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??
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Watch Mr Whostheboss video on the battery comparison, between s10+ and p20pro.
The s10+ lasts longer than the p20 pro by quite some time.
How about we all embrace the fact that smaller companies have been rising to compete with current flagships. Competition is a good thing, without it nobody would create anything new. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android. Granted, the iPhone does compete with Android but nowhere near the same level Android competes with other Android phones.
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Watch Mr Whostheboss video on the battery comparison, between s10+ and p20pro.
The s10+ lasts longer than the p20 pro by quite some time.
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Thanks I did, in the same video note 9 outperformed the iPhone max, witch is not the case with my usage and it makes sense since normal day to day use phone ain't always in our hands and standby time is much better on an iphone. These looping battery tests doesn't always make sense
By the way the lense size itself is huge on the mate 20 compared to s10 not only megapixel count
Got the mate 20 pro Thanks, got it for almost 550$ ... Couldn't resist the deal.
software wise it sucks big time. UI and navigation feels like an unfinished iOS clone ! Samsung one UI is much much better
Hardware is freaking awesome so far. Over 3 hours SOT with 68% left, app management is very flexible not that bad and it's blazing fast and smooth, camera is great and much better results than note and iPhone
Not in English guys but interesting test
https://youtu.be/_wqYfkLHQbc
I'm switching from my current Mate 20 Pro to the 1/12 S10+. The main, and pretty much only reason is storage: as I need Dual SIM, I just can't expand my 128GB to anything more, unless I use something OTG-related. God bless this Hybrid SIM slot stupidity. I'll miss some great Mate 20 Pro stuff I guess, such as
- battery. I seriously doubt I'll get something better there, there are already voices around stating the S10+ eats battery like a mad when used with 2 SIMs
- IR sensor. Old tech, but so handy sometimes
- Face recognition. The S10+ is supposed to use something similar to what the Mate 10 Pro got at a later point, nowhere as powerful as the Mate 20's 3D facial recognition. The Mate 20 Pro detects my face even with zero light, the Mate 10 Pro didn't and I guess the 10+ won't either.
- I'm not a great fan of those ugly, giant, round Samsung icons, but themes are not that far away...
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I'm switching from my current Mate 20 Pro to the 1/12 S10+. The main, and pretty much only reason is storage: as I need Dual SIM, I just can't expand my 128GB to anything more, unless I use something OTG-related. God bless this Hybrid SIM slot stupidity. I'll miss some great Mate 20 Pro stuff I guess, such as
- battery. I seriously doubt I'll get something better there, there are already voices around stating the S10+ eats battery like a mad when used with 2 SIMs
- IR sensor. Old tech, but so handy sometimes
- Face recognition. The S10+ is supposed to use something similar to what the Mate 10 Pro got at a later point, nowhere as powerful as the Mate 20's 3D facial recognition. The Mate 20 Pro detects my face even with zero light, the Mate 10 Pro didn't and I guess the 10+ won't either.
- I'm not a great fan of those ugly, giant, round Samsung icons, but themes are not that far away...
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sounds like the Mate20 is a much better advantage to a s10+. Since storage is the only issue, have you considered cloud storage? I can't think what could take up 128gb, but then again I don't have big file sized games running.
I tested the phones, S10 Plus, Mate 20 Pro (I have it) and S10:
- Huawei display (boe) is more colored than s10 plus/s10 even on Vivid colors settings for Samsung!!! (for ex. S8 has more saturated colors)
- Camera: both cameras (front and rear) are much worse than M20 Pro. I took same pictures with both and compared on phones displays and also on 4K QLED TV Samsung/LG 4K TV. M20 Pro is the winner from far, I don't know how they get 109 points on dxomark.....Front facing camera got more details on M20 Pro, both phones on 0 Beauty Face Mode. Also the zoom mode is more detalied on M20 Pro. I didn't test the video recording.
- Speed: both phones are the same but the S10 plus was empty....
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I tested the phones, S10 Plus, Mate 20 Pro (I have it) and S10:
- Huawei display (boe) is more colored than s10 plus/s10 even on Vivid colors settings for Samsung!!! (for ex. S8 has more saturated colors)
- Camera: both cameras (front and rear) are much worse than M20 Pro. I took same pictures with both and compared on phones displays and also on 4K QLED TV Samsung/LG 4K TV. M20 Pro is the winner from far, I don't know how they get 109 points on dxomark.....Front facing camera got more details on M20 Pro, both phones on 0 Beauty Face Mode. Also the zoom mode is more detalied on M20 Pro. I didn't test the video recording.
- Speed: both phones are the same but the S10 plus was empty....
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DXO is not a reliable source in my opinion, many people actually stated the same thing.
Even in unbox therapy, he stated that the selfie camera wasn't that great.
I've seen the s10 in the store and wasn't impressed, will try to test it more
As expected almost everyone is believing the hype from Sammy. It has been like that ever since until first adopters starts complaining here and there. DX0 rating means nothing to me and has never influenced my decision to buy the phone I want. S10-series punch holes looks ugly to me as well as those terrible looking icons. I prefer using the stock launcher all the time so those icons are an absolute turn off to me. They say EMUI is ugly but look at Sammy's latest UI its as if they are following Xiaomi's footsteps as far as UI design is concerned. No pun intended.
The funny part? Mine mate 20 x with many apps installed and working in background, was faster than demo GS10 with no app
I've seen videos where the S10+ battery is much much better than the M20 Pro.
But I share my concerns about the face unlock, it is one of the best features of the M20 Pro.
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I've seen videos where the S10+ battery is much much better than the M20 Pro.
But I share my concerns about the face unlock, it is one of the best features of the M20 Pro.
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I never judge battery from those videos, as real world usage is quite different.
When i had my galaxy s7, a lot of the time, Android System consumed the battery and the SOT got worse with Nougat.
Never happened on the Mate 9 or 20 Pro/X.
I think the batery is almost identical,i have 7,5-8h sot in a full day of usage
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Seems like there is a massive difference between the 855 and the Exynos S10 Plus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRnbm9wrzg
I'm wondering if any people here have also tried the P30.
I'm trying to decide between the two. I want a headphone jack and card reader so I can't go up to the Plus. I also think that 6.1in is at the high end of what is acceptable for size for me. (I currently have a Z5 compact 4.6in phone).
The night mode is very impressive on the P30 but the S10 is not bad either. I've read that the colors on the P30 can be off but I think that color can usually be fixed much more easily than trying to add missing detail (which is impossible)
I do require an unlockable rootable phone. I want to be able to use apps like adaway, titanium backup, etc. More importantly, the ability to root has allowed me to keep my phone much longer with custom ROMs and security updates. It sounds like I can just buy a snapdragon version from china.
For the rest, display, performance, I think it is close enough for me.
I'd appreciate any insights/recommendations. It is hard to decide.
Since it's unknown what's gonna happen to huawei in the future I would recommend you not to buy any huawei device
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Since it's unknown what's gonna happen to huawei in the future I would recommend you not to buy any huawei device
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As it looks like the current issues only affects future huawei devices and I'm not looking to buy a future device (just a current one) there should be no affect. While this is somewhat of a factor, I'm trying to compare the phone based on their merits first
I have an S10+ and P30 Pro. My thoughts:
Camera- Under normal conditions, the P30 Pro has the POTENTIAL to take better shots than the S10. That being said, the S10 takes good shots more consistently than the P30 Pro. However, the P30 Pro takes better night shots when using night mode, no question.
Battery life- My P30 Pro overall has better battery life than my S10+, but that's because the screen resolution is lower, and EMUI has a habit of being too aggressive when keeping apps in "sleep" mode. I often miss notifications because of it.
Screen- The P30 Pro has a good screen, but the S10+ wins hands down. No surprise there.
Sound- For whatever reason, Huawei decided to go with a single down firing speaker this time around, versus the stereo speakers on the P20 Pro. Because of that, the sound on the S10 is leaps and bounds better.
Thanks. For the camera, how is the p30 sometimes worse? Is it easily fixable? Is this because the auto to mode works better on the s10? For night mode a have you noticed any color issues? If so, is it easily fixable?
Are you using the snapdragon version of the s10?
Hi man.
Here is what I have experienced and owned.
I had a P20 Pro 1 year. Wow, my better device in my life. Short story, I give it to my girlfriend and needed a new cellphone.
I bought P30 and have it for one week. Wonderful camera and battery. But all the rest was bad.... : bad speaker, bad audio call, no water resist,, etc.
I finally bought S10, and I'm very happy with it. All is better, except battery life and camera.
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And don't forget that Huawei has that stupid proprietary NM card slot, which for me is next to unusable.
I just went from P20 pro to S10. I miss the battery on the huawei device but i had been 6 months without a security update (thanks huawei/ee!). P20 pro camera night mode is astonishing. The Ai forthe camera consistently led to greens that were too green and blues that were too blue. Plus loss of some texture. You needed to be a camera expert to get a properly good photo with the P20 pro. The lower res screen is probably how the battery was so efficient, but EMUI would ax google play music mid-song while i was running and frustrate the hell out of me, plus it killed PoGo every few minutes, especially if i tabbed away from the app to another app. Apart from the battery, the S10 is a drastic improvement across the board.
No wireless charging on the P30 which is dealbreaker for me
I had a p30 pro, now on a s10 exynos due to an insurance claim. I chose the s10 due to concerns about huawei's future and also to try the s10.
As others have said, the p30 pro camera is stunning, but not without it's flaws.
Specifically, by camera:
- The p30 pro wide angle camera is sharper and more detailed than the s10's wide angle camera in good light. Despite being the same f2.2, in low light, the s10 camera is less smeary and holds the colours better. The raw files from the p30 pro hold up well to sharpening and exposure tweaks. I'm quite impressed with the edge to edge sharpness of the p30 pro wide angle in bright light, while not a Canon 17-40mm L series it was impressively sharp. Whereas the s10 wide angle does get blurry nearer the edges in a more obvious way, and can be distracting for architecture or foliage.
- The main RYYB camera on the p30 pro has incredible detail in good light and reasonable detail in low light. The 40mp raw dng files (which are typically 80mb in size) have a lot of latitude to work with in lightroom, and the 10mp jpgs are good. The AI sense is quite clever and can often give pleasing jpg images, however I found it over sharpened at times.
The portrait modes are clever and more automatic than on the s10. The background blur is also more convincing, even though my p30 pro had the old firmware before the time of flight sensor was activated.
However the RYYB sensor still feels beta. The colours are often wrong in jpgs (although apparently the latest v162 firmware has improved this), and the raw files in lightroom need significant work to avoid weird purple or green tints. It took me a lot of time to build up a lightroom profile that handled the raw files with the right colour modifications.
It's a very capable sensor with lots of potential and the ability to far out resolve the s10 camera, but can let you down with poor colour rendition.
Lastly on this one the jpgs from the p30 pro were often a bit darker than I would prefer, so I tended to boost exposure by 0.3 to 0.7. The s10 is spot on.
- The 5x zoom on the p30 pro in my opinion is a bit wasted. I found it to be a fun toy but a 3x zoom would be more practical for general day to day or travel photography. After all, when was the last time you bought a 125mm prime lens for your camera? Never? Whereas a 75mm would be more common.
The 5x zoom on the p30 pro is lower resolution than the 2x zoom on the s10, although obviously the focal length is so different it's hard to compare directly in terms of detail. The colour rendition between the two is similar. I found the 8mp raw files on the p30 pro 5x zoom to be a bit dull but easy to boost, and they were reasonably sharp. The s10's 2x zoom seems to give more pleasing jpg images straight from camera. Again, I found the 5x zoom to be a bit of a gimmick. 3x would be my preference.
Overall, I thought the p30 pro had more potential, and the ability to shoot dng raw with all three cameras gives more creative freedom. I liked that the main camera shoots 10mp jpgs and 40mp raw simultaneously, so the jpg is easy to share, but you have the full raw file still.
The portrait mode on the p30 pro was seriously was impressive with convincing fake bokeh and I can't get the s10 to do anything close in live focus. The p30 pro made it easy.
The s10 wins for dependability of colour rendition and jpgs out of camera that are generally more pleasing. If you've had an s8, the main camera of the s10 is similar with slightly better detail.
If the software upgrades for the p30 pro improve the colour rendition then that would be a winner.
I liked the frequent software updates from huawei and I hope that continues for P30 Pro owners.
Other notes -
The battery life on the p30 pro was incredible. I was blown away. Yes the screen is 1080p, but I run the s10 in the same resolution so that's not a factor in battery comparisons for me. The p30 pro seemed to last forever.
The screen on the p30 pro is duller than the s10 but it's not bad. People would have you believe 1080p is a huge sin, but it's not noticeable in daily use.
The notch on the p30 pro was better in the middle. The cut out on the s10 still bugs me, it makes the status bar so fat.
I liked huawei's launcher, and for the first phone in a long time I stuck with the stock launcher and didn't install nova, it was that good. I'm back to nova on the s10.
Nm format is daft. But the p30 pro had 256gb storage so didn't bother me.
I found I missed the headphone port being absent on the p30 pro, despite having Bluetooth headphones at work and for running, and a Bluetooth speaker at home and Bluetooth in the car. Somehow, that 3.5mm jack is still useful. I missed it most when travelling overseas and I couldn't use the same wired headphones as for my iPad. 16 hour flight plus flights either side = wired and not needing to charge is handy.
The p30 pro seemed to have a very fast modem. I noticed 4g to seem faster than on Samsung phones when tethering or downloading on the phone, however I failed to do any speed tests to prove this.
The in screen fingerprint reader is faster on the p30 pro, although I understand a software update is out in some regions for the s10 that speeds it up.
I didn't like the power and volume keys on the same side for the p30. I never got my muscle memory down pat for which key was what.
The s10 feels more polished while the p30 pro has more cool tech and potential, and both devices are certainly great camera phones. Either one will give the owner much happiness if you can enjoy the strengths and not let the faults annoy you, knowing every other camera phone also has faults.
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I noticed the NM slot. I figured that I can just buy a NM card to replace my current microSD. I usually leave it in the phone. I guess there is a slight annoyance that I'd need an adapter if I wanted to directly read it on my computer.
As for battery, I wonder how the P30 (non-pro) compares to the S10 (snapdragon instead of ex). I thought the snapdragon was supposed to be more energy efficient.
I think the cameras in the pro are the same or similar to the non-pro. (ie 3X vs 5X zoom) so I'll assume your description applies to both. For me, any camera I've used has always given pretty good photos during the day in good lighting. I've always struggled with lower lighting or night photos. That is why I'm focusing so much on this.
It sounds like the consensus is that when used in auto mode without editing, the S10 gives better looking photos. However, with post-processing and editing, the P30 photos are better (especially night mode). If I have to spend hours to manually edit each photo one by one, I think that may be a deal breaker. If I can feed all my photo through a batch processing (ideally via an app vs copying to the computer), then I don't have an issue with that. I typically never do any fancy filters to my photos (ie. bokeh) other than fixing the dynamic range. Currently on my phone, I open up each one in google photos and click AUTO and about 90% end up looking better so that has been my process. I find that quite annoying and which I could batch it. I use Open Camera with DRO setting as my main camera.
AS for everything else, it sounds like the P30 is more "buggy" than the S10. Though, I usually use the MFR rom with Nova for a while then try to run something simpler like Lineage.
Does that sound like an accurate summary?
Now that leads to another question. For the S10 and P30, are all the camera features exposed in the camera API? If I use another app (ie. Google Camera, Open Camera, A Better Camera), will it be able to do everything the MFR camera can do? (ie. Night mode, switching between cameras, etc)
I wish there was somewhere in the US I could try out the P30 phone.
P30 camera
Here's a P30 Pro DNG/RAW example from the main camera for those interested.
This is a 40mp DNG file processed to taste in Lightroom, just showing a 1024px thumbnail as an overview.
This is a 100% crop of that image in Lightroom.
The full 40mp DNG file is here if you want to download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn4azasueiudc58/IMG_20190519_141152.dng?dl=0
Lightroom profile for processing is attached.
You don't happen to have the same photos taken with the S10 do you?
do you use the lightroom app or the PC app
eng3 said:
You don't happen to have the same photos taken with the S10 do you?
do you use the lightroom app or the PC app
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I could do a comparison of the same photo on both - generally the S10 is better JPGs, less room on the RAW. The P30 Pro needs the RAW to be processed to make it better than the S10, and it definitely has potential to be better.
I'm intrigued to know what the v162 firmware for the P30 Pro will do, it is supposed to fix the white balance issues by the camera. v153 firmware improved the fake bokeh on the P30 Pro. There is also a S10 firmware update that is supposed to improve the fake bokeh on the S10 so you can use the 2x zoom lens. The P30 Pro already lets you do fake bokeh at 1x, 2x, 3x (edit: I previously said wide, standard and zoom, which wasn't correct).
I use Lightroom on the PC only. The Lighroom Mobile app is clever but clunky. As a note, the camera mode in the Lightroom app doesn't support the 3 cameras on the P30 Pro or the S10.
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Fake bokeh comparison. Click on thumbnails for full image. Both unedited, straight out of camera. (Neither gives you a DNG/RAW file for fake bokeh modes.)
There is some minor difference in framing between the images.
In my view, the P30 Pro has better exposure and smoothness of fake bokeh. with a more pleasing image..
The S10 is dull and the bokeh not as pronounced, but more accurate. The S10 is closer to what the true life colours really were.
S10 exynos main camera ASD5 firmware:
P30 Pro main camera v153 firmware:
I wont give as detailed comparisons as the posts before, but if my simple personal opinions help any one then i,m glad to type them.
I always have two active phones. i have an s10 standard and a p30 non pro. i think its important to compare the two rather than a p30 pro vs a s10 or a p30 vs an s10+
i bought the s10 g973 first. It was bigger than any galaxy i have owned and i have had every one since the s2. its larger to the point where i don't feel comfortable texting and driving (i know i shouldn't, but i do constantly and will never stop). if you have long fingers it shouldn't be a problem.
The screen on the s10 beautiful. its quite an improvement even over the s9. i cant stand the camera on right hand side screen, or the way pie moved the clock to the left of the screen. on the p30 the camera is dead center, and i use the builtin software to black out the sides, its not noticeable at all and is far superior to the s10.
i have always rooted my phones and tablets. I must have owned a couple dozen devices over the last 5 years and never thought i could use anything unrooted. development on the s10 has been slow because of new security built in,but it has been picking up where its pretty simple to root, add twrp, back up/restore, and custom roms are coming out. None of it was like what we have seen in the past on Samsung phones but it seems like its just a matter of time.
i ended up buying a p30 as my second line, but i am now using it as my main phone. the size of it is just perfect for me. its wider, but thinner and shorter. It feels much smaller in the hand. I run the screen at 2340*1080 which isn't really a noticeable difference from the 3340*1440 of the s10 (even with the s10's higher dpi) because the size difference.
i dont play around with the cameras too much as i'm not a photographer, but in regular use the p30 is far superior than the s10. The s10 has made some improvements adding nite mode in its latest upgrade, but there still is no comparison... p30 all the way on the camera.
not having root on the p30 sucks, but its not as bad as i thought it could be, especially because the development (though picking up) has been very slow on the s10. if the p30 was rooted right now i wouldn't even touch my s10. i just like it that much better.
some of the negatives not being rooted..i am using adguard on the p30, its ok, but it isnt as reliable as adaway, though its easier to pause when something is blocked that you don't want blocked. The p30 has some built in options for black mode like its email client that work very well, but its not the same as being able to use substratum. i usually keep everything i can blacked out (not just a grayed out dark mode which i find ugly)
the battery is probably the biggest difference. Huawei devices have remarkable battery life. I know this from experience from the 2 huawei tablets and mate 10 i own. i was worried about not having wireless charging, but even unrooted, without greenify or built in optimizations in custom roms, its the best battery life i have had on any phone.
people have had trouble adjusting to emui, it may because i was used to it on the tablets i own. but i actually like it. hauwei has some things like AOD that i couldn't live without. they may may not be as refined as Samsung's with their color coding of messages, but its good enuf to over look. and the p30 has some features that surprised me after using samsung so long that samsung doesnt have like copying the tracking number only from a text or phone number from a missed call to search for them.
i have to think that the p30 will get rooted eventually after funkyhuawei or dc lounlocker is able to provide unlock codes for the bootloader.
i am pretty sure that john wu has found a way to get magisk to work on emui 9 and once the bootloader is unlocked the p30 will be rootable. hopefully its before i am ready to move onto a new phone, but i am sticking with the p30 for now.
Well I've never used EMUI so I dont really know how it differs from samsung's equiv. Generally, I use nova launcher so it overrides alot of it. My most common apps are maps, gmail, voice, camera, gallery so I don't typically use the apps provided through a specific skin. So I'm not too sure what affect it really has. I'm using lineage now on my current phone so I assume EMUI or samsungs thing will all just be "bloat" unless I find something truly useful.
I think if the P30 had an active root right now then I'd be much more inclined to go with the P30. Also if there were more activity on the P30 forum vs this one
As for the battery, I assume both are comparable and will be better than my current phone. It is hard to find a comparison of the SNAPDRAGON S10 and the P30.
As for the camera, I typically dont do any fancy shots like bokeh. I just want a shot with good lighting and color really. I have lightroom and use it sometimes, but if I have to go through hundreds of photos one by one just to get them on par with the S10, then that is a deal breaker for me . If the photos generally all have the same issues, and I just need to run a batch job, then that's acceptable for me. Obviously it would be ideal if the photos were good to begin with. I know future software updates COULD improve things, but I've heard that too many times to count on it.
I wish there were a B&M store that had P30's in the US so I could actually hold it in my hand and look at it.