Anyone know if the pill button is accessable at all?
Not finding full gestures as being as intuitive as it should, and the 3 button feels like windows 98 control wise
Had the pill on my 3xl and miss it
No pill button unfortunately. It's either gestures or the 3 buttons.
The pill was never present in the Pixel 4. So I doubt it will come back in the Pixel 5.
Only the Pixel 2 and 3 still have it in 11 if I'm correct.
Personally. I think there is not a huge difference between 2 button navigation and 3 button navigation.
3 button is the most stable experience. But nowadays I just use gesture navigation only because of the easy back gesture.
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took me a few days to get over not having the pill button. Came from a Pixel 3 XL and was using the 2 button option. Finally got used to gestures and to be honest, after about a week or so of using the gestures it sort of feels more natural than using buttons
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If you think the current on-screen buttons is already the best solution then perhaps you wont agree with me. But anyways I along with alot of other people dont like to accidentally press the home button AND the multi-tasking button due to its disruptive nature especially now that in 4.2 it throws you out of the app basically. Mapping the home button to a long press really isnt a solution its annoying to do it all the time and is simply not intuitive.
My solution is something thats not done so far but I really think its possible.
A center hardware home button. Double press acts as a multi-tasking button.
2 tiny OLED screens on the sides of the home button so we can have adaptive navigation buttons alongside a hardware home button.
One of the OLED screens shows the back button and the other one dynamically shows the menu button whenever needed. When not used the OLED screen wont consume any power at all unlike LCD.
And ofcourse this also keeps open the possibility to customize and map whatever buttons you want to like if someone wants to have a single click task switcher they can still have it.
Another huge advantage of having a hardware home button is the ease of waking up the device which is under appreciated a bit I feel. Anyways thats my 2 cents.
Having a home button would be a problem to create a uniform Google experience, since every manufacturer would have their own button design. Also, physical buttons has a life expectancy of approximately 2 years (just try pressing an iPhone 4 button).
Also, Galaxy S3 has a home button. Choice.
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Pie seems like a better solution or the many gesture navigation's out there
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elzafir said:
Having a home button would be a problem to create a uniform Google experience, since every manufacturer would have their own button design. Also, physical buttons has a life expectancy of approximately 2 years (just try pressing an iPhone 4 button).
Also, Galaxy S3 has a home button. Choice.
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And yet we dont have a unified solution. HTC and samsung the 2 biggest players continue to do their own thing. Another point to note is that on-screen buttons dont allow for their to be a "gap" between the screen and navigation buttons unless ofcourse you want to waste massive amounts of screen estate. Having more gap reduces accidental presses.
But S3 has static capacitive buttons so you lose out on the freedom that the solution I proposed offers. The menu button certainly needs to be dynamic so you know when its needed and when its not.
I was really excited to have phone with on screen buttons...until I had a phone with on screen buttons. I definitely noticed the loss of screen real estate coming from the HOX to the Nexus 4. Expanded desktop is nice, but not very convenient. I really like the style Samsung has adapted. My friend has a Galaxy S3 and I love being able to turn on the display with the home button. Of course, on screen buttons are mappable, which is nice.
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What i do...
Use on screen buttons when navigating and when I'm in an app for a long time i use the expanded desktop with PA.. after I'm done I go back to normal.
I would rather have an option to swipe to the left to hide the soft buttons.
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Pie seems like a better solution or the many gesture navigation's out there
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Agreed, pie ftw!!!!
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Hi there!
I want to know if you prefer to use gestures or buttons on your daily use and why.
Personally I found buttons more easy to use, but now I'm using gestures and, with a bit of familiarity I can say they are better (and system is more beauty without the 3 buttons)
I agree : what the point of having a large full screen... if you still have a range of buttons at the bottom that "cut" the screen ? I'm now used to navigate with Miui gestures and do not want to come back to the older way by any means !
gestures for ever ! ;o))
I've tried both and I can't really pick one. I keep going back and forth.. I agree I feel like the buttons are really old in Android and gestures a much better for big full screen smartphones like the RN7 but I guess time will tell which I'll end up using daily.
From the moment I tried the MIUI gesture system, I don't want to go back to anything else, it's just too good. Thankfully, I can emulate them in like 95% on other ROMs thanks to Fluid N.G.
I still prefer buttons.
I'm a bit faster with them and i use the press and hold functions (torch etc.)
A clean fullscreen is more pretty, no doubt.
But on a 19.5:9 screen, i don't care if i lose that 1cm at the bottom.
I got used to the one button nav from my previous Moto g5 plus. So I enabled full screen gestures day one after getting the note 7. It's better than the soft buttons and easier to navigate around on this tall screen.
Gestures all the way, it really makes you feel better with 6.x screens, fluid and easy to learn
gestures exclusively. When I received a blackberry Z30 for my job in 2014, I really loved the gestures they implemented. It allowed for a smaller chin and more screen real estate. Ever since then I had to go "back" to regular buttons when they upgraded me to an android phone and when I switched to android privately, and it felt like a step back.
Now that we have those full body phones, using gestures feels great again.
I'm old and I don't like change anymore. Buttons for me.
I tried gestures, but it's hard to use gestures with a decent case. Not only that, some apps have native gesture stuff in them and somehow those override the MIUI gestures. I went back to the buttons after few hours.
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I tried gestures, but it's hard to use gestures with a decent case. Not only that, some apps have native gesture stuff in them and somehow those override the MIUI gestures. I went back to the buttons after few hours.
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+1. For example, telegram. I prefer buttons for now
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I'm old and I don't like change anymore. Buttons for me.
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haha, same here.
However, I also have gestures, loads of them, using Gesture Control. I still like the phone buttons to be present, and Gesture Control over MIUI's own gestures which are just too elementary, too limited.
Tried gestures. Didn't like. Went back to buttons. Maybe Android 10 or MIUI will improve things, but I'm staying with buttons for now.
Gestures. More real estate and actually I find it easier to navigate with gestures.
I am using gestures for 3 months now,only thing buttons are better for me is double tap to go to previous app is faster and I find it easier to start multitasking by just holding one button and picking 2nd app, then swipe and hold,then press and hold and click again then choose 2nd app.
Been trying hard to get used to the gesture navigation the past week I've had my Pixel 4 XL, but so used to a dedicated Back button, it's one of the things I've always liked about Android going back a decade, of always having a back button, and one of the reasons I hate iPhone, because they never had one.
Swiping to go back is the dumbest ****ing idea ever. So stupid. Like when in Messages, I'll swipe to go back, but then erase a text by accident. Or having to swipe more than once to have it actually work.
I liked the Android 9, two button navigation, wish we could go back to that. Right now I went old school to the 3 button nav, it's ok, and it sure as hell is quicker and works every time, compared to the lame gesture based navigation. But of the three, I prefer the Android 9 version best.
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Been trying hard to get used to the gesture navigation the past week I've had my Pixel 4 XL, but so used to a dedicated Back button, it's one of the things I've always liked about Android going back a decade, of always having a back button, and one of the reasons I hate iPhone, because they never had one.
Swiping to go back is the dumbest ****ing idea ever. So stupid. Like when in Messages, I'll swipe to go back, but then erase a text by accident. Or having to swipe more than once to have it actually work.
I liked the Android 9, two button navigation, wish we could go back to that. Right now I went old school to the 3 button nav, it's ok, and it sure as hell is quicker and works every time, compared to the lame gesture based navigation. But of the three, I prefer the Android 9 version best.
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Only the 3 and 3 XL has this option, the 4 and 4 XL does not.
It's gone. And that's probably because so many people *****ed about it being half baked so I can't blame them for removing it.
There is this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80667349&postcount=2
It's 3-button but it works like a charm
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Been trying hard to get used to the gesture navigation the past week I've had my Pixel 4 XL, but so used to a dedicated Back button, it's one of the things I've always liked about Android going back a decade, of always having a back button, and one of the reasons I hate iPhone, because they never had one.
Swiping to go back is the dumbest ****ing idea ever. So stupid. Like when in Messages, I'll swipe to go back, but then erase a text by accident. Or having to swipe more than once to have it actually work.
I liked the Android 9, two button navigation, wish we could go back to that. Right now I went old school to the 3 button nav, it's ok, and it sure as hell is quicker and works every time, compared to the lame gesture based navigation. But of the three, I prefer the Android 9 version best.
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Settings, system, gestures, system navigation.....
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Settings, system, gestures, system navigation.....
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Only two options there:
iPhone like gesture
Old 3 button layout
Where's the 2 button Android 9 navigation I have on my Pixel 3 XL?
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Only two options there:
iPhone like gesture
Old 3 button layout
Where's the 2 button Android 9 navigation I have on my Pixel 3 XL?
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ITS GONE!!! pixel 4 ditched it. Rightfully so.
my beef with the gesture navigation, is the lack of no Back key. And when in the Messages app, when I swipe back to go the home screen, half the time I need to swipe twice, or many times it erases a message, and I have to press Undo to bring back
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my beef with the gesture navigation, is the lack of no Back key. And when in the Messages app, when I swipe back to go the home screen, half the time I need to swipe twice, or many times it erases a message, and I have to press Undo to bring back
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Sounds like you're trying to perform the back gesture where the keyboard is. Try doing in above the keyboard so it doesn't do any actions on your keyboard. Personally I switched to fluid navigation gestures because they offer more customization for where the gestures can be performed along with additional features.
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my beef with the gesture navigation, is the lack of no Back key. And when in the Messages app, when I swipe back to go the home screen, half the time I need to swipe twice, or many times it erases a message, and I have to press Undo to bring back
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Lol I've done that in the message app too. They seriously need to allow us to disable swipe to archive.
The real problem is lack of adjustment: You cant change the swipe length, trigger window, remove unused gestures, re task the gesture windows to a different function and so on. As an example I'd be rid of the swipe to assistant out of the corner immediately. That one is particularly egregious since you have 5 different shortcuts to the function within a few inches of each other and to me that means I've got 4 wasted shortcuts on my desktop, the most valuable real estate on a phone.
Like others I use a different gesture program which has much more customization, NV gestures. I have run into a problem though where when I have it enabled it wont allow the newer assistant, instead the assistant pops out old school across the bottom quarter of the screen and without the instant transcription. I'm using Action Launcher but get the same behavior on the stock launcher with the gestures. Anyone run into this one?
On my Pixel 2 XL when it was on 9 or 10. They gave you three options. 1) 3 button layout 2) Gesture Navigation 3) Pill home button with back button.
I can't think or find away to do it on the later Pixel 4 XL.
I want pill navigation.
One of my few posts on here so I hope I have put it in the right Pixel 4 XL section?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4-xl/themes/magisk-module-bring-android-pie-2-t4002831
I'm coming from an S20 on Android 10 where I was using FNG to hide the navbar and had a 3-button setup with swiping from the bottom. Now on the Pixel default nav gestures it seems I can't do this anymore. I can only swipe to go home. It's disappointing. And I seems that in Android 11 they made it even more difficult (impossible?) for 3rd party apps to hide the nav bar.
Also, Nova Launcher doesn't seem to work well with gesture nav enabled. It's mostly fine, except for when I swipe up to go home there is a significant delay until I can interact with my home screen. When I press home I'm brought to a blank home screen, then my icons/widgets populate, and then I have to wait another moment for it to actually be interactable. If I touch the home screen before this the screen just flashes and does nothing.
What's up with this? I realize these are little things but they totally bring me out of the snappy and fast experience I've otherwise had with this phone. The thing I've always loved most about Android is it's customizability and Google seems to be taking that away more and more with each update. It's very disappointing.
As far as I know, you can't get rid of the navbar without root. FNG works with root though you have to get rid of the navbar yourself.
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I'm coming from an S20 on Android 10 where I was using FNG to hide the navbar and had a 3-button setup with swiping from the bottom. Now on the Pixel default nav gestures it seems I can't do this anymore. I can only swipe to go home. It's disappointing. And I seems that in Android 11 they made it even more difficult (impossible?) for 3rd party apps to hide the nav bar.
Also, Nova Launcher doesn't seem to work well with gesture nav enabled. It's mostly fine, except for when I swipe up to go home there is a significant delay until I can interact with my home screen. When I press home I'm brought to a blank home screen, then my icons/widgets populate, and then I have to wait another moment for it to actually be interactable. If I touch the home screen before this the screen just flashes and does nothing.
What's up with this? I realize these are little things but they totally bring me out of the snappy and fast experience I've otherwise had with this phone. The thing I've always loved most about Android is it's customizability and Google seems to be taking that away more and more with each update. It's very disappointing.
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Not having that slowness issue with gestures on Nova on either my first nor replacement Pixel 5 - swiping up to go home is snappy, definitely not waiting for icons and widgets to populate.
I think you may have a unique issue as I've seen a couple posts talk about using Nova with the Pixel 5 and never any mention of such a terrible issue.