Thanks to @rovo89, we got an amazing framework. Although intended for security, the need for restart to activate a new module can be pretty inconvenient at times. It'll be nice if somebody can make a xposed module to tweak this, so that we could activate the module with the single tap of a button (an option to add an activate/deactivate button near the module will be nice). Since the framework is open source, I believe it would be easy for you guys to figure out a way to do it.
If such a module already exist, please share the link. If there is no such module, maybe this will motivate you to create one. If it's impossible (duh... nothing's impossible for you guys)
Thanks.
It's impossible. The reboots are not simply done for security reasons. Xposed makes changes to core system files when you install (and sometimes configure) modules, and those files (and all the files dependent on them; basically the entire system) must be reloaded (using a reboot) before those changes become effective.
Trust me, just about every developer knows that the reboots are obnoxious, and do everything they can to make their modules work without a reboot. If they can avoid a reboot they will, but a lot of the time they can't.
Extremely sorry if I am spamming the forum with this thread, but thought of starting this discussion to see if the geeks can help with sharing the knowledge.
I don't think I have to emphasize on why Magisk over Xposed (The Magisk Forum has a lot of articles on why.), but I am surprised to realize that Magisk is still the so called "new guy" even after these many years of launch..
All I get for a sample search "best modules Magisk" is a bunch of tweaking modules which say they can alter your ART mechanism or save your battery, I mean, who cares for the performance in 2019!!! we have got beastly phones and just want magik to happen on them. Magisk is still the same serious experimental mod that lets you root and hide it from banking/work apps but not yet cool.
For example, every time I installed Xposed on a new phone, I would go look for the famous "Gravity Box" just to enable the status bar brightness control gesture.
And the "X-insta" that lets me download media from Instagram . (Of course this module seems to be dead for a few months).
And a bunch of adblockers.
And a hell lot mods that I don't remember from the top of my head, but it was really magic.. And it is slowing down (I feel so..)
Well, someone might say that we can install Xposed itself as a module, but that just crashes the "SafetyNet" which is very annoying, it makes the phone useless without being able to open GooglePay and other banking apps.
I know I might be wrong but I am posting just to see if people use any equivalent "cool" modules in Magisk that are not easily seen in the Magisk Modules repo or if someone has found a way to pass the "SafetyNet" with Xposed+Magisk to make Android awesome again!!:good:
sagar2208 said:
Extremely sorry if I am spamming the forum with this thread, but thought of starting this discussion to see if the geeks can help with sharing the knowledge.
I don't think I have to emphasize on why Magisk over Xposed (The Magisk Forum has a lot of articles on why.), but I am surprised to realize that Magisk is still the so called "new guy" even after these many years of launch..
All I get for a sample search "best modules Magisk" is a bunch of tweaking modules which say they can alter your ART mechanism or save your battery, I mean, who cares for the performance in 2019!!! we have got beastly phones and just want magik to happen on them. Magisk is still the same serious experimental mod that lets you root and hide it from banking/work apps but not yet cool.
For example, every time I installed Xposed on a new phone, I would go look for the famous "Gravity Box" just to enable the status bar brightness control gesture.
And the "X-insta" that lets me download media from Instagram . (Of course this module seems to be dead for a few months).
And a bunch of adblockers.
And a hell lot mods that I don't remember from the top of my head, but it was really magic.. And it is slowing down (I feel so..)
Well, someone might say that we can install Xposed itself as a module, but that just crashes the "SafetyNet" which is very annoying, it makes the phone useless without being able to open GooglePay and other banking apps.
I know I might be wrong but I am posting just to see if people use any equivalent "cool" modules in Magisk that are not easily seen in the Magisk Modules repo or if someone has found a way to pass the "SafetyNet" with Xposed+Magisk to make Android awesome again!!:good:
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Magisk doesn't work the same way as Xposed,one mounts and modifies files and the other hooks and modifies app code at runtime,and yes there is a way to use Xposed and pass safetynet if you are either on Oreo or Pie,it's called Edxposed
Edxposed is an open source Xposed alternative released early this year that uses a different method to hook into the system which allows it to pass safetynet and it allows you to blacklist apps in which you don't to load Xposed into,and if you are in pie there is already a beta of gravitybox that fully supports Pie (it's not yet in the Xposed repo because it's not fully stable yet)
Here are some pictures showing edxposed passing safetynet and me using the event lock module on Android pie,incase you are interested here are the links to edxposed https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/android-9-0-xposed-solutions-t3889513 it works on both Oreo and Pie (ignore the last step and just use edxposed installer) it's the last link and the first post,if you have any doubts feel free to ask there
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Here are some pictures showing edxposed passing safetynet and me using the event lock module on Android pie,incase you are interested here are the links to edxposed https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/android-9-0-xposed-solutions-t3889513 it works on both Oreo and Pie (ignore the last step and just use edxposed installer) it's the last link and the first post,if you have any doubts feel free to ask there
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A Hope!!
Thank you very much for the info, will try and post an update..
Even after these many years of launch people seems to not understand Magisk purpose, features and way of work. Same for Xposed.
Does Magisk has "modules" ? Yes! Does Xposed has "modules" ? Yes! But that's it. The name. The only thing in common between Magisk and Xposed is _the name, the word, "module" _ for their respective plug-ins, addons. Nothing more. Period.
Magisk attachs to Android, works completely different from the way Xposed does. What they do and what they can do are different. They are not even closer to be an alternative of one to another.
Having that said, do not expect that modules of one can deliver similar features of a module of another. If this somehow someday for an specific pair of modules happen be sure they are accomplishing that but doing in complete different ways behind the scenes.
About Xposed not breaking SafetyNet, we have now for Android O+ the alternatives EdXposed (open source) and Tai Chi (closed source). They do not break it because the way they're implemented is different from original Xposed by Rovo. They are different approachs, new code with new ways of work, but that delivers same entrance points, same nomenclature, as original Xposed itself. Thus being (generally speaking) compatible with modules originally built to original Xposed.
Both EdXposed and Tai Chi are experimental yet, although working fine at least on Android P. If they show themselves as solid solutions then probably we will see new Xposed like modules appearing out there. I do hope so.
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Even after these many years of launch people seems to not understand Magisk purpose, features and way of work. Same for Xposed.
Does Magisk has "modules" ? Yes! Does Xposed has "modules" ? Yes! But that's it. The name. The only thing in common between Magisk and Xposed is _the name, the word, "module" _ for their respective plug-ins, addons. Nothing more. Period.
Magisk attachs to Android, works completely different from the way Xposed does. What they do and what they can do are different. They are not even closer to be an alternative of one to another.
Having that said, do not expect that modules of one can deliver similar features of a module of another. If this somehow someday for an specific pair of modules happen be sure they are accomplishing that but doing in complete different ways behind the scenes.
About Xposed not breaking SafetyNet, we have now for Android O+ the alternatives EdXposed (open source) and Tai Chi (closed source). They do not break it because the way they're implemented is different from original Xposed by Rovo. They are different approachs, new code with new ways of work, but that delivers same entrance points, same nomenclature, as original Xposed itself. Thus being (generally speaking) compatible with modules originally built to original Xposed.
Both EdXposed and Tai Chi are experimental yet, although working fine at least on Android P. If they show themselves as solid solutions then probably we will see new Xposed like modules appearing out there. I do hope so.
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Couldn't have said it better (my previous texts were written at 3am so pardon for any mistake I did XD)
Hello!
Is the magisk safe to use, or will i get banned in netflix/google account etc?
Thank you for any answer regarding my issue
That depends on what you mean by safe.
You are unlocking your bootloader and modding your device when installing Magisk, so you are in some ways making your device less safe against certain kinds of things (like if someone gets physical access to your device, etc).
Many apps look for modifications and a rooted device and won't work if they detect it. That's where MagiskHide comes in and can hide Magisk from most detection methods. Google is stepping things up though and they have briefly showed us that they are on the way to implement proper key attestation in the SafetyNet CTS profile check. That is not something that Magisk will be able to hide from and as soon as that is implemented properly there is nothing we will be able to do.
So far you shouldn't be worried about getting banned (most of the time), but some services will not work if they can detect root. Netflix is one of them, Google Pay, banking apps, some games, etc. Some services might ban you (maybe Snapchat), but as far as I've seen those are in the minority.
Another aspect of being safe is that you should be careful with what apps you allow to have superuser access. With su, an app/service can wreck all kinds of havoc...
There's a lot to be said on this subject and I'm sure others will join in. If you search around a bit you can find lots of info on pros and cons of having an unlocked booloader, rooting, modding your device, etc.
Overall I'd say yes, the Magisk is safe. The Magisk and the modules that are available, much like the hammer and sickle, has the ability to be abused by the users when used for other purposes outside of its scope.
It's not malware either, if that's what you meant.
it is safe if you are know what you doing
I'm not clear on the differences between them, and it seems that there are even more alternatives.
Is one better than another?
I just got an Android 10 phone, was previously on 7 for a short time, but was otherwise still on 5 and 6.
AllanonMage said:
I'm not clear on the differences between them, and it seems that there are even more alternatives.
Is one better than another?
I just got an Android 10 phone, was previously on 7 for a short time, but was otherwise still on 5 and 6.
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The main difference is that in LSPosed you have to whitelist apps to be hooked instead of blacklist. The second one is that EdXposed seems to break SafetyNet in latest version. And it seems that it's not that actively developed as LSPosed
They both have whitelist and on LSPosed it set in default. But only EdXposed have blacklist. I saw some comment like "have too much modules and too much apps to hook, how painful to check everything by manually".
Yes, Edxposed still break SafetyNet.
Yes, now Edxposed is not that actively update than LSPosed.
Something about LSPosed
If you can read Chinese, maybe you can read these below: https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv9603603/ https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv9603669/ https://www.zhihu.com/question/442534533 https://www.zhihu.com/question/442531709 I am very troubled by...
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I personally tried both. Not that much difference. Yeah, because basically LSPosed just forked Edxposed and did a little improvement.
In the end I choose Edxposed rather than LSPosed. Because I can't trust one dev who made a prank about "rm -rf" and the rest dev have no objection to this and even help him to hide it. And those personal attack with filthy language of course.
Arakawa. said:
They both have whitelist and on LSPosed it set in default. But only EdXposed have blacklist. I saw some comment like "have too much modules and too much apps to hook, how painful to check everything by manually".
Yes, Edxposed still break SafetyNet.
Yes, now Edxposed is not that actively update than LSPosed.
Something about LSPosed
If you can read Chinese, maybe you can read these below: https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv9603603/ https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv9603669/ https://www.zhihu.com/question/442534533 https://www.zhihu.com/question/442531709 I am very troubled by...
forum.xda-developers.com
I personally tried both. Not that much difference. Yeah, because basically LSPosed just forked Edxposed and did a little improvement.
In the end I choose Edxposed rather than LSPosed. Because I can't trust one dev who made a prank about "rm -rf" and the rest dev have no objection to this and even help him to hide it. And those personal attack with filthy language of course.
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The developer you mentioned has left the development group long ago
All I wanna know is which one passes safetytest. Installed edxposed for the first time in 2 years only to discover that safetytest is completely fubar'd. And all the tutorials I've found are old and seemingly obsolete.
This moment, LSPosed is alot better than EdXposed.
Simple that.
I say many thanks to EdXposed, but LSPosed is the future.
We Love EdXposed
We Love LSPosed
We Love Better Future
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Arakawa. said:
who made a prank about "rm -rf"
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Which prank? Will you share the source of the prank? Plz let us know.
Edit: Sorry, haven't noticed the quoted post, got it.
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The developer you mentioned has left the development group long ago
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The man left temporarily, but what he had done was still there. And the rest of the developers don't think rm -rf is wrong. The whole development team had problems, they even excused the malicious code. Communities should not forgive this.
LSPosed is not a good choice for Xposed: from the software itself, module scopes and Xposed Hide (White) were designed as advanced features for advanced users only, and forcing them to be enabled is abusive and will increase the learning cost for users, increase the cost for module developers, break the functionality of global modules, and make modules much less compatible. On the developer level, the LSPosed development team has been suppressing and abusing other Xposed implementations and their developers since the project's inception, attacking third-party ROM developers with web violence, and committing community divisive acts like this; one of the development team members submitted rm -rf /* malicious code to EdXposed, which was responsible for emptying CI user data. The culprit has no credibility.
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The man left temporarily, but what he had done was still there. And the rest of the developers don't think rm -rf is wrong. The whole development team had problems, they even excused the malicious code. Communities should not forgive this.
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We will never forgive.
But it is past.
We just need MORE attention before to accept any commit.
We will have bad people everywhere.
Nothing more.
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LSPosed is not a good choice for Xposed: from the software itself, module scopes and Xposed Hide (White) were designed as advanced features for advanced users only, and forcing them to be enabled is abusive and will increase the learning cost for users, increase the cost for module developers, break the functionality of global modules, and make modules much less compatible. On the developer level, the LSPosed development team has been suppressing and abusing other Xposed implementations and their developers since the project's inception, attacking third-party ROM developers with web violence, and committing community divisive acts like this; one of the development team members submitted rm -rf /* malicious code to EdXposed, which was responsible for emptying CI user data. The culprit has no credibility.
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YES.
Xposed is for ADVANCED USERS only !!!!
Xposed is not a play for kids.
I agree with you about the difficulty for developers, but well, the future is here.
And we will not accept to remain in the past.
Long Life to LSPosed
But, we love EdXposed too
VD171 said:
YES.
Xposed is for ADVANCED USERS only !!!!
Xposed is not a play for kids.
I agree with you about the difficulty for developers, but well, the future is here.
And we will not accept to remain in the past.
Long Life to LSPosed
But, we love EdXposed too
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Put away your false future, Xposed (even ROMs) will die because of LSPosed Developers. You don't know what disgusting things LSPosed Developers are doing behind the scenes.
mlgmxyysd said:
Put away your false future, Xposed (even ROMs) will die because of LSPosed Developers. You don't know what disgusting things LSPosed Developers are doing behind the scenes.
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The point is we need xposed for Android 9, Android 10, Android 11, Android 12, Android 13, Android 14...
We currently have no choices.
Or do you have any?
VD171 said:
The point is we need xposed for Android 9, Android 10, Android 11, Android 12, Android 13, Android 14...
We currently have no choices.
Or do you have any?
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There will be, just need to wait.
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There will be, just need to wait.
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I can't wait.
I have a solution, so I will use it.
But, I'm totally open for new XPOSED alternatives.
Let's keep watching
I did a test with the old original Xprivacy app. Oreo 8.1, Magisk v23, Riru v 25.4.4
With EdXposed: it works, but whole phone is slowed down. Every app is checked and Xprivacy popup asks you how to proceed (accept or deny internet/load/whatever request). It works how it should but sadly phone is slowed down and wallpaper doesn't load after phone bootup
With LSposed: it doesn't work, because: Every app just bypasses most Xprivacy functions, you only get a meaningless Binder Xprivacy popup. Xprivacy has no control over what apps do. Apps do what they want and don't ask for your permission
With Xposed Installer: it runs perfectly, flawlessly. Using the good old "Xposed Installer" with Xposed Framework version 90-beta3, the original. You know every url and request every app does, if they scan your nearby wifi, if or when they use record in cam or audio, scan your contacts, request some device identifiers, you can whitelist the urls, internet requests and loads you want. All app requests logged, apps can't do nothing without your permission. Very useful because you can use (whitelist) the functions in any app that you use and want, and dismiss the rest that's bundled within the app (ad networks, telemetry requests, proprietary functions. resource-hungry unnecessary actions). In the new XprivacyLua these features and logs and this sort of control is not possible. This is why the old original Xprivacy is superior.
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I did a test with the old original Xprivacy app. Oreo 8.1, Magisk v23, Riru v 25.4.4
With EdXposed: it works, but whole phone is slowed down. Every app is checked and Xprivacy popup asks you how to proceed (accept or deny internet/load/whatever request). It works how it should but sadly phone is slowed down and wallpaper doesn't load after phone bootup
With LSposed: it doesn't work, because: Every app just bypasses most Xprivacy functions, you only get a meaningless Binder Xprivacy popup. Xprivacy has no control over what apps do. Apps do what they want and don't ask for your permission
With Xposed Installer: it runs perfectly, flawlessly. Using the good old "Xposed Installer" with Xposed Framework version 90-beta3, the original. You know every url and request every app does, if they scan your nearby wifi, if or when they use record in cam or audio, scan your contacts, request some device identifiers, you can whitelist the urls, internet requests and loads you want. All app requests logged, apps can't do nothing without your permission. Very useful because you can use (whitelist) the functions in any app that you use and want, and dismiss the rest that's bundled within the app (ad networks, telemetry requests, proprietary functions. resource-hungry unnecessary actions). In the new XprivacyLua these features and logs and this sort of control is not possible. This is why the old original Xprivacy is superior.
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No. Xprivacy is NOT superior.
Xprivacy is totally deprecated and uses old methods and old functions.
XPRIVACYLUA is totally better, superior and CUSTOMIZABLE.
XprivacyLua WORKS PERFECTLY WITH LSPOSED, because I am using it on my main phone.
I LOVE XPRIVACYLUA.
I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT ROOT, XPOSED AND XPRIVACYLUA !!!!
I LOVE YOU @M66B
LSPosed is the future and as of this date clearly the winner as Edxposed development has halted, it's incompatible with the latest Riru and breaks Safetynet.
MagiskHide is dropped in v24. According to the developer's blog, there will remain a feature that “will be able to assign a denylist of processes where Magisk denies further modifications and reverts all changes it had done". What will this feature do in the future? Will it satisfy those picky apps that don't like rooted phones? And most importantly, are there any other hiding mechanisms in the pipeline that's supposed to replace MagiskHide?
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MagiskHide is dropped in v24. According to the developer's blog, there will remain a feature that “will be able to assign a denylist of processes where Magisk denies further modifications and reverts all changes it had done". What will this feature do in the future? Will it satisfy those picky apps that don't like rooted phones? And most importantly, are there any other hiding mechanisms in the pipeline that's supposed to replace MagiskHide?
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Yes, they are. The changes made in v24 allows for even more powerful hiding mechanism, but they need to be added as separate modules. Please consult this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/discussion-magisk-the-age-of-zygisk.4393877/