How are we supposed to charge the phone? Do I let it drain all the way to zero the first few times, to "calibrate it" and then try to keep it between 80 and 30 percent?
I've heard getting to go all the way to zero is really bad? It also causes the battery to heat up a lot when it's being recharged?
I've gone through one charge cycle so far. And charged it at 11%. I wanted to let it go to 1%, but chose not to.
Someone help me with this. What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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I just charge it when it goes low and I have time to plug it in. I don't have a specific preferences, whether @ 30, 20 or 15% regardless. I don't think there are any special requirements for that, though I see ppl create their own beliefs and the'd swear to it as "the most optimal charging routine".
Thanks man!
Any other opinions would be greatly appreciated.
At this point in battery tech i believe it doesn't matter. But a lot of ppl and articles suggest to keep phone in 20-80% range.
I did charge it up to 100% when new, then let it get down to about 25%, but generally I try to keep my phones as close to 50 as possible, with shorter frequent charges. I have wireless chargers on my desk at work and home, so it's simple to just set them there occasionally as needed. I have fast wireless charging turned off to keep heat down, and an app on the phone with an alarm that goes off when the charge hits 75%, but I'll often take it off closer to 60 if it's convenient. I'll put it back on around 40%. I'll charge it up further if I'm going to be out for a long day, and will plug it in if I need a faster charge. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
i use accubattery and use its alarm function to alarm me by default 80% charged
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At this point in battery tech i believe it doesn't matter. But a lot of ppl and articles suggest to keep phone in 20-80% range.
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NO. NO. It's 30-80%.
Better yet: 37-65%. Or, if you want to be dangerous: 35-65%.
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I did charge it up to 100% when new, then let it get down to about 25%, but generally I try to keep my phones as close to 50 as possible, with shorter frequent charges. I have wireless chargers on my desk at work and home, so it's simple to just set them there occasionally as needed. I have fast wireless charging turned off to keep heat down, and an app on the phone with an alarm that goes off when the charge hits 75%, but I'll often take it off closer to 60 if it's convenient. I'll put it back on around 40%. I'll charge it up further if I'm going to be out for a long day, and will plug it in if I need a faster charge. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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I keep it around 40% at home.
I even have a 1W charger LOL. It can do 40 to 100% in 8 hours! Perfect for sleep.
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NO. NO. It's 30-80%.
Better yet: 37-65%. Or, if you want to be dangerous: 35-65%.
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or better to not have a smart phone at all if people get so picky!!
Guys, just do as the phone tells you, when it reaches 15% .. put it on charger until 100%. It gonna last at least 1-1,5 year before you notice the degradation of the battery.
Using the same method as @nightoooo above.
I'm only on my 2nd phone, first was $99.00 phone that lasted 3 years and now over 2 years into my Samsung A20 with no noticeable change in battery life.
I use the AccuBattery app with IFTTT and a smart plug for the charger. I set AccuBattery to create a notification when battery charge reaches 76%. This creates a notification saying to disconnect the charger once a 76% charge is reached. The Android device service in the IFTTT app sees this notification and then IFTTT sends an order to the smart plug’s app telling it to turn off the smart plug. I have been using this configyration for several years and it works like a charm. My previous phone, a Pixel 2 XL, has never been charged to 100% and after 2 1/2 years of use the battery is still working fine.
My 10+ lasted 1.5 years of heavy usage.
It then failed. Don't delude yourself as to the longevity of Li's. You may do better or worse.
Batteries are cheap and relatively easy to replace. A Li failure can total the phone.
Regardless how long it last once it's capacity is less than 80% of it new capacity it's time to replace it.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Signs of failure; sharp drop in capacity in a short amount of time, erratic fast charging, case bulging ie battery swelling which can damage the display or worse.
There's no reason to discharge below 20% except to calibrate. Charging beyond 90% takes too long and is stressful on the battery.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. This isn't a NicCad or a lead acid so forget those rules. 40-70% is near ideal.
Charging start temp should be 82°F or above.
NEVER attempt to charge one that is 40°F or less.
Avoid letting charge temperature go much over 100°F.
Regardless of the charger or time, it will stop charging at 100%... if you insist.
I use midrange power cyvling with a fast charger because it's quick and convenient, more bang for the buck. If I replace this battery next month I really don't care as at this point it's just routine maintenance to me.
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relatively easy to replace.
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Here we go again. No, they're not easy to replace for the average Joe.
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Here we go again. No, they're not easy to replace for the average Joe.
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Don't make me laugh too hard... I was once like you. Have someone do it for you. I got mine done for $50 and learned.
There's not many phones that are harder than the 10+ to replace the battery.
And it's a cake walk
Replacing the LCD screens on my 5D and MK3 were harder only because you need to line up the one time use wrap around rubber skin perfectly the first time when reassembling.
Still intimidated?
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Don't make me laugh too hard... I was once like you. Have someone do it for you. I got mine done for $50 and learned.
There's not many phones that are harder than the 10+ to replace the battery.
And it's a cake walk
Replacing the LCD screens on my 5D and MK3 were harder only because you need to line up the one time use wrap around rubber skin perfectly the first time when reassembling.
Still intimidated?
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It's difficult to buy genuine batteries in many countries. Most people would rather have an original battery from the manufacturer last longer than have it degrade and replace it with something from a questionable source. Again, the discussion here is how to minimise battery degradation and prolong it's life rather than learn how to replace a battery.
Analogy: If someone asks a question like "How should I drive my car so that the engine doesn't wear out fast and lasts longer?" To suggest that you should not cultivate good driving habits, and abuse the engine, then replace it in a year isn't going to help. This kind of approach may work for someone who like to drift and drag-race or race but not for the average person who likes to take good care of his/her stuff.
Everyone knows that when something fails and stops working, it needs to be replaced. But that isn't what we are discussing here. We'd like to prolong it's life and prevent premature failure.
About a month ago I went on the Samsung Members app and put in a request that they add the ability to terminate charging at a user selectable charge level in their Bixby Routines. I then called their tech support 800 number provided in the Samsung Members app and verbally made the same request. The person I spoke with thought it was a great idea. I have never heard back from Samsung about them implementing such a feature though. It would possibly help if they received many more similar requests. If it was a popular request they would be more likely to add it the their software.
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It's difficult to buy genuine batteries in many countries. Most people would rather have an original battery from the manufacturer last longer than have it degrade and replace it with something from a questionable source. Again, the discussion here is how to minimise battery degradation and prolong it's life rather than learn how to replace a battery.
Analogy: If someone asks a question like "How should I drive my car so that the engine doesn't wear out fast and lasts longer?" To suggest that you should not cultivate good driving habits, and abuse the engine, then replace it in a year isn't going to help. This kind of approach may work for someone who like to drift and drag-race or race but not for the average person who likes to take good care of his/her stuff.
Everyone knows that when something fails and stops working, it needs to be replaced. But that isn't what we are discussing here. We'd like to prolong it's life and prevent premature failure.
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The worst thing you can do is not change out a degraded Li. You risk destroying the whole phone. Excuses are like...
You want to ration your cell usage?
Go for it.
I could add a whole list of things to prolong the battery life but it's not worth it.
The battery is flimsy, cost about $14 and was born to die. Parts are readily available especially a year after the release.
Even an amateur can change one out in less then an hour. Rear covers are about $16 but you won't break it if you don't rush it. But the details matter and you can't force parts or over torque screws, less is better. If you're really nervous practice on some scrape phones which aren't too hard to come by.
It's a lot easier than rotating a set of tires or changing a set of spark plugs.
Right off the top of my head, what you need:
Heat gun, fine tip tweezers (for the micro connectors), the proper micro drivers* (sold in kits just for this), plastic picks, sunction cup (optional), anhydrous isopropyl alcohol with a needle applicator syringe or bottle, OEM adhesive seal for the rear cover and the battery. About $35-50:less the heat gun. Optical aids are optional. Keep room humidity greater than 50%.
Sounds intimidating but it's not. Learn by doing.
*use a magnet to magnetize them if they're not already.
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How are we supposed to charge the phone? Do I let it drain all the way to zero the first few times, to "calibrate it" and then try to keep it between 80 and 30 percent?
I've heard getting to go all the way to zero is really bad? It also causes the battery to heat up a lot when it's being recharged?
I've gone through one charge cycle so far. And charged it at 11%. I wanted to let it go to 1%, but chose not to.
Someone help me with tKodi noxhis. What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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I simply charge it when it goes low and i have time to plug it in. I don't have a particular preferences, whether or not @ 30, 20 or 15% regardless. I don't assume there are any unique necessities for that, though I see ppl create their own beliefs and the'd swear to it as "the most optimal charging recurring".
When I first get the phone, I charge it to 100% and that's it.
After that, keep it in the 30-80% range and your future self will thank you.
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I turn my phone on Airplane mode and unplug at night while I'm sleeping.
BUT! When at work and at home at other times, is it bad to leave it plugged in 100% of the time? (I.E. does it decrease total battery life over a few years to be constantly charging.)
Or is it better to unplug ASAP when it hits 100% and let it drop to 20-30% and recharge-unplug-recharge-unplug etc? (If so, how much of a difference would this make?)
And does it matter USB vs AC source? I know USB is half the amps, so this could have an effect too?
Honestly, the battery is going to deteriorate a bit either way over a year time span. It is probably best if you just replace the battery every year.
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I turn my phone on Airplane mode and unplug at night while I'm sleeping.
BUT! When at work and at home at other times, is it bad to leave it plugged in 100% of the time? (I.E. does it decrease total battery life over a few years to be constantly charging.)
Or is it better to unplug ASAP when it hits 100% and let it drop to 20-30% and recharge-unplug-recharge-unplug etc? (If so, how much of a difference would this make?)
And does it matter USB vs AC source? I know USB is half the amps, so this could have an effect too?
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Doesn't matter. All you need to really be worried about is that you leave it on the charger long enough to get a true 100% charge, and you don't always put it on when at 80%, try and run it down from time to time to 10% type thing.
If you leave it on the charger 24/7 for a year, it will have no real effect on the battery that a year of use wouldn't do, and you might actually come out ahead since battery life times are based on charge cycles... when on charger, as you are asking about, there would be virtually no charge cycles.
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If you leave it on the charger 24/7 for a year, it will have no real effect on the battery that a year of use wouldn't do, and you might actually come out ahead since battery life times are based on charge cycles... when on charger, as you are asking about, there would be virtually no charge cycles.
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Ooooh, interesting... Did not know that. I thought that leaving it charging was the worst case possible.
But let's be honest.
How long do you think you'll keep the phone?
I've never had one more than a year...
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But let's be honest.
How long do you think you'll keep the phone?
I've never had one more than a year...
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Til the Nexus Two comes out bro
[Edit]: Well, my thinking is how BAD could this affect it. Like leaving it plugged in all the time = 50% battery capacity in 4 months type of thing. I guess that is not the case though eh?
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I turn my phone on Airplane mode and unplug at night while I'm sleeping.
BUT! When at work and at home at other times, is it bad to leave it plugged in 100% of the time? (I.E. does it decrease total battery life over a few years to be constantly charging.)
Or is it better to unplug ASAP when it hits 100% and let it drop to 20-30% and recharge-unplug-recharge-unplug etc? (If so, how much of a difference would this make?)
And does it matter USB vs AC source? I know USB is half the amps, so this could have an effect too?
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To add to what pjcforpres said, I would suggest topping off the battery a couple times a day rather than always letting it run down to 20-30% (deep cycling) the battery. Deep cycling is worse for Li-ion batteries. It causes more heat for longer periods of time when you do charge. I would only discharge completely once every few months to keep the battery calibrated.
My personal habit is to top off frequently. If I'm at home, I'll let it charge to a true 100%, like pjc said, then take it off the charger and leave it off till it hits 75-80% and top it off again.
i can add to this discussion what i've learned about lithium-ion batterys
having it plugged in, while it is being taxed heavily (playing games) and already at 100% is a bad idea, then i discharges and recharges all over the time.
When it isn't full and you plug it in to top it off it shouldn't really do any harm, as long as you disconnect it when it's at 100%.
Emptying it completely also lowers overall capacity, 10% is a good threshold when to charge it.
When leaving it off to store it for a while, store it with around 70-75% in the battery. Storing it fully charged also lets capacity down.
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Emptying it completely also lowers overall capacity, 10% is a good threshold when to charge it.
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I thought you WANTED to do this? I've heard calibrating it is running it until it turns OFF?
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I thought you WANTED to do this? I've heard calibrating it is running it until it turns OFF?
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I respectfully disagree with creepinshadow's suggestions. I've read up on lithium ion batteries considerably in the last few years. 10% is not a good threshold to always charge your battery from... that's deep cycling and was great for nickel metal hydride, but isn't good for lithium ion. That said, there's no way for it not to get that low from time to time if you're away from your charger for extended periods and I'm sure it's not going to destroy your battery as fast as one might think.
As for storage, the I charge (or discharge) mine to 40-45% then pop it into the fridge for storage. Read that in a long article explaining how to treat li-ion batteries.
Like you said though, a full discharge for calibration is running it till it turns off then plugging it in while keeping it off until an hour or so after the light turns green.
I've heard many people say that leaving any device that has a battery plugged in won't harm it as long as you're consistant with the charge cycles. Like only plug in your phone when the battery life is >15% and charge it to 100% before unplugging it.
I get into trouble there, because (for instance) say I'm going to be going into the mall for a while and my battery is at 30% and it's going to take me 30 minutes to get the mall (I live in Northern Virginia, traffic is a *****, haha). I'll hook up my phone while I'm in the car just to have extra battery life while I'm away from a charger.
good question, i wanted to know the exact same thing so good to see someone else ask. got the answers i needed.
Look guys... the reality is that this discussion is really just academic. Take my recommendations, for example. It would be ideal if everyone could do what the study I read suggested, but it's not practicable to always top off the battery and not deep cycle the battery frequently. That being said, I'm sure the difference in battery life wouldn't be apparent for a very long time. I can't imagine phone and battery manufacturers haven't thought about this. So...while I've posted my "recommendations" based on that study... just enjoy your phones.
A new battery cost <$50 i'm sure... If you left your phone plugged in over night, every night for a year it probably won't hold a charge better than someone that unplugs in once it reaches 100%..
I personally would rather not deal with always worrying about over charging it and IF i still had the phone when the battery needs to be replaced, just replace it.
In the past 16 months i've had the Touch Pro, Palm Treo Pro, BB Bold & now the N1.. so i never have a phone long enough to even care lol.
I guess that's true. We can always replace the battery, unlike the Fruit people!
But I was just worried that the damage happened quickly. But I guess it's 9-12 months before seeing any real effects anyway.
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A new battery cost <$50 i'm sure... If you left your phone plugged in over night, every night for a year it probably won't hold a charge better than someone that unplugs in once it reaches 100%..
I personally would rather not deal with always worrying about over charging it and IF i still had the phone when the battery needs to be replaced, just replace it.
In the past 16 months i've had the Touch Pro, Palm Treo Pro, BB Bold & now the N1.. so i never have a phone long enough to even care lol.
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Actually, it's only $25 from Google.
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Actually, it's only $25 from Google.
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Link?
I don't see an accessories page at www.google.com/phone
[Edit]: lol nevermind, you have to click "Get your phone" to get accessories haha
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Link?
I don't see an accessories page at www.google.com/phone
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Lol... click on the link you posted, click "Get Your Phone" and it's listed right below the Dock!
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Lol... click on the link you posted, click "Get Your Phone" and it's listed right below the Dock!
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Yeah just saw that. Kind of silly to put it there since people looking for accessories already HAVE a phone. Silly Google
Oh, so by the way, this page brings up a good point:
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=175535
Charges at 480mA when installed in Nexus One phone connected to USB, at 980mA when installed in phone connected to charger
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Is there any difference in charging from USB vs AC adapter in terms of how it affects overall battery life?
First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
This has been posted MANY MANY times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882679
No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety. Instead, a brief topping charge is provided to compensate for the small self-discharge the battery and its protective circuit consume. … Typically, the charge kicks in when the open terminal voltage drops to 4.05V/cell and turns off at a high 4.20V/cell.
There is a whole lot more info on that site, but I’ll sum up the excerpt, if you continually charge a Lithium Ion battery, it will degrade, and worst case explode, but hey, at least it looks cool when it does.
Just don’t end up like others have, for example, a Chinese man who took his phone off the charger, put it in his pocket, and then it exploded. To read a little more about that, check out EnGadget, if you want to see the phone, Tech-Ex. Here’s another one, no one was killed, but it burst into flames, over on PCWorld.
http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/01/02/overcharging-batteries/
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IMO. I rather have it sit at 95% than to have my phone catch on fire. Better safe than sorry.
I've been charging my mobile devices to 100% for years with no issues. I'm not too worried about it since I don't mod my phone. All I wanted to do was have a battery that lasts and I now have that. Thank you.
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First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life.
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
Now I don't have to sit and worry about ...
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There's an app medication for that ...
in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
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The battery level reads a full 100% when I plug the fully charged battery in. I just changed battery again this morning.
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in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
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First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
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Battery life is actually pretty good on this phone. Try owning the evo. I never seen a phone with worst battery life.
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From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
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Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
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Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
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I can't post links yet, but I sent you a PM. On Ebay, search for M9P Charger and the only result that comes up is the one you want. Then search for OEM Battery Nexus S and pick whatever one you want.
EDIT - Here are the links I used
Charger - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
OEM Battery - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-GENUINE...199674?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20b6d2767a
turbodroid said:
From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger.
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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Obviously i'm not advertising, I am just posting my observations. My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use. Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500. I'm not observing any difference in how long they last compared to the original battery as today I am on the 1440 one.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years. I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use.
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I don't believe that unless your wonder-charger is literally cooking the batteries to death by some serious over-charging.
Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500.
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So, the original battery to 1500mAh, charged to 96% in the phone would give ... 1440mAh. And range anxiety.
But the extra batteries, charged to 100% in the wonder-charger would give ... 1440mAh. And a peaceful feeling.
Yeah, I don't really see the "WAY longer battery life" here. If those 4-6% extra charge gives "several hours longer" then a full charge would be good for a couple of days of use anyway. And yet you were "spending half the day charging your battery". There's something odd about your story. The numbers don't really add up.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years.
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I don't care if you're Isaac Newton. If you're starting to wave credentials and diplomas around, then this will be nothing more than a pissing contest. If that is what you want, then you win. Here, have an internet.
I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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No thanks. I have that exact same charger, and an extra original battery. If that charger actually makes that much of a difference, I don't want to cook my spare battery to death with it.
But feel free to back your claims by some real numbers taken from, you know, objective tests. One battery charged in the phone, the other in the wonder-charger. Then do the exact same thing (play music or whatever) until the batteries hit 15% remaining. Then post the elapsed times here.
Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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You know this isn't your blog or twitter feed to promote what you're doing.
Just like what you said, you're new to XDA so I wouldn't be too fond on trusting you either because you haven't been around too long.
I'll continue to stick to my battery. Grats on your long battery.
I go a full day with heavy use on my stock battery. Not sure what your problem is. Unless you can put up some real numbers though, this thread is not worth anyone's time.
After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
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After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
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Thanks for confirming my results. I was very displeased with the battery life of this phone, but since I went to the wall charger and just swapping batteries, I am getting a full 24hrs use and still have 10-20% left when I swap before work every morning. All in all a pretty cheap investment for the gains.
I am not seeing any noticeable difference between the 1440mah and 1500mah batteries either.
Just wanted to post my experience about battery life. It lasts almost two days (I switch off my phone for six hours every night). It wouldn't charge more than 95-96% every time. And it took really long time to charge too, with the oem charger. And then I tried my wife's Nokia charger, which is also 5V output but 1200mA instead of 700mA the oem is. And charged it turned on. And there it was! A bit less charging time, and for the first time it said 100% charged. That happened the last 6 charges with the Nokia charger. I hope I am not damaging the battery with what I'm doing. I can't say it lasts more than before. Nothing noticable. But at least it's fully charged and it doesn't take all day to charge.
i get 100% everytime when i unplug it will either drop to 97% or to 96% but will still last a whole day of use. i dont charge my battery unless it turns red with the X or till it shuts itself off.
Oneplus 3 is an awesome phone no doubt (if you don't damage it). However with the dash charging, there's a high chance we might need replacement batteries for the phone after a year or two.
Does anyone know where we would be able to obtain dash capable batteries for replacement? It would be a great disappointment if we are not able to replace it.
*it is a concern because at least in Singapore, there is 0 support despite purchasing a local set. You will be given an email to make an appointment to bring your set down to a location, but NO ONE will respond to your email. Oneplus Singapore Facebook as well as official reseller do not provide any support either.
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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Most damage to a battery is done at night when you charge a phone when you've gone to sleep, as the charger will put it to 100% and keep it there throughout the night, which puts more strain on the battery. (just look into Sony Qnovo battery charging tech in their new phones).
The dash charger has been proven to change people's charging habits. For example I wake up at 7.30am to go to work at 9am, as soon as I wake up I put my phone on charge. Thus meaning it stays at 100% for less time, and so degrades slower.
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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That's bull**** and bears any real usage
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Awesome! However, the battery capacity seems to be much lower than 3000mah
Stay away from buying non oem batteries. You don't want your phone to be the next Note 7 lol.
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Personally I change battery ever 1.5 to 2 years. Batteries have a lifespan and degrade over time. It degrades faster with heat. It's quite disappointing that no one is sellong replacements though.
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Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%.
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Exactly. The controller stops the current flow at full charge. It will not top it up if you keep it plugged in such as in the overnight scenario.
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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The model number on eBay is BLP607.
You'll need BLP613 for OP3.
Maybe after a longer time there will be more replacements, if there aren't already.
If the OnePlus's battery it good I don't see a need for a replacement personality because I change phone after 2 years, when factory support ends and I'm tired of the phone.
I am pretty sure you can't wait to buy a new one before the battery degrade to an unacceptable level.
Like my OnePlus 1, which still has a quite decent battery time, though it has already become my son's toy.
So, don't worry about this too much.
Majority of the users will replace their phones instead of a degraded battery within 2 years. Unless the battery is defective then yea that would be understandable. If you are one the minority who upgrades every 3+ years then kudos to yall for having the will power to resist the upgrade fever.
is there no one who works at one plus and also uses xda?
that dude can help us in getting batteries from the supplier of one plus.
I am using my xperia ZL since 2013. i changed its battery a while ago. now i feel it is time to change my device. moving on to one plus 3 soon.
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Yes I am. Android 7.1.1 and Oxygen 4.1.3
AccuBattery says my battery is 87% helathy and on 2611 mAh instead of 3000mAh, but feels like much less
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.
I'm curious if anyone on here has tried opening their phone up to swap the battery with an upgraded mAh cell? There are 4,220mAh upgrade batteries all over eBay and I'm really about to pull the trigger on one of them. If it fits and works properly, that is a pretty substantial upgrade in screen on time daily and the difference between me having to charge one to two times in the middle of the day versus being able to go the whole day on the initial charge.
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I'm curious if anyone on here has tried opening their phone up to swap the battery with an upgraded mAh cell? There are 4,220mAh upgrade batteries all over eBay and I'm really about to pull the trigger on one of them. If it fits and works properly, that is a pretty substantial upgrade in screen on time daily and the difference between me having to charge one to two times in the middle of the day versus being able to go the whole day on the initial charge.
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Just cause the listing and label on the battery says a capacity doesn't mean that's true. I wouldn't risk putting in a 3rd party battery that costs $20 (for example) into a $600+ phone
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Just cause the listing and label on the battery says a capacity doesn't mean that's true. I wouldn't risk putting in a 3rd party battery that costs $20 (for example) into a $600+ phone
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Well I mean that's a given with anything you buy on the internet without seeing it first. As for the price of it, a genuine OEM Pixel 4 battery is $25-$30 so I'm not put off by the $10 difference in price. I also am not going to be relying on the battery if I try it, as in if it turns out to be a dud I would just immediately swap back in the OEM battery and take the little $20 hit but I think its Worth trying with the current risk to benefit comparison and if it ends up being truthful, even if it's not 4220mAh but more than the OEM 3700mAh it would be a win in my book for the price. I have an inline USB meter I can throw between the charger and phone to measure how many milliamp hours the battery actually took.
If you need to upgrade battery to get more screen time each day then you're using your phone too much lol
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I'm curious if anyone on here has tried opening their phone up to swap the battery with an upgraded mAh cell? There are 4,220mAh upgrade batteries all over eBay and I'm really about to pull the trigger on one of them. If it fits and works properly, that is a pretty substantial upgrade in screen on time daily and the difference between me having to charge one to two times in the middle of the day versus being able to go the whole day on the initial charge.
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After my experiences with purchasing piss poor quality aftermarket batteries off Ebay and elsewhere (N6P), I would not recommend it. For the same price you can buy a PD power bank that will fast charge your device anywhere you don't have a charger handy. That and you won't break the back glass. Of course, it would be a totally different story if your battery has somehow degraded tremendously and is now defective. I'd be curious to know what your current battery capacity is using Accubattery. When I bought my P4XL, it was 103%. 6 months later it was 98%. If your battery capacity is still 90-95% I would look at a decent PD power bank and not crack the case open. Even if you pay someone to do the work and get a warranty, your phone will never be the same. Best of luck. :good:
I would think that a battery that's 500mah bigger might not be able to fit in the phone... Chances are that the battery will just be a low quality replacement.
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According to accubattery I currently have 12 hours and 25 minutes of screen on time. I dont know about anyone else but that is really good in my book and more than enough. My battery is reading 103% capacity.
I never fast charge my phone unless I forget to charge it overnight and I am leaving the house soon then I throw it on the original charger. And I almost never charge past 80%. I actually use a device called chargie that slow charges my phone overnight. It completely shuts down the charger at 80 allows the phone to discharge to 76 and kicks back on and goes back to 80. My battery only goes up about 10 degrees F while charging. And I have it set to shut off the charger if my battery reaches 110 degrees F. I really plan on keeping this phone for at least 3 years (since I have a family and I have to be a big boy and put food on the table now) No more getting the newest phone for me every year.
Mackay53 said:
If you need to upgrade battery to get more screen time each day then you're using your phone too much lol
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Well, considering my phone is used for all traditional purposes (YouTube, social media, email, web browsing) along with the fact that I run my business from my phone, you wouldn't be wrong, but it is essential and serves it's purpose. Any extra sot I can get is a huge plus for me.
v12xke said:
After my experiences with purchasing piss poor quality aftermarket batteries off Ebay and elsewhere (N6P), I would not recommend it. For the same price you can buy a PD power bank that will fast charge your device anywhere you don't have a charger handy. That and you won't break the back glass. Of course, it would be a totally different story if your battery has somehow degraded tremendously and is now defective. I'd be curious to know what your current battery capacity is using Accubattery. When I bought my P4XL, it was 103%. 6 months later it was 98%. If your battery capacity is still 90-95% I would look at a decent PD power bank and not crack the case open. Even if you pay someone to do the work and get a warranty, your phone will never be the same. Best of luck. :good:
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Yeah I feel what you're saying, the one reason I haven't already dove right in and tried is the splitting the case open. I have don't it once before on a P4, my last one had some issues and I was able to open it up before sending it back to Google to be RMA'd.
I do in fact have a 10,000mAh PD power bank, I bought it within the first week of upgrading from my P2 to my P4. It works fine and is a great solution but obviously being able to fix the root problem would be better if possible. The power bank is along the lines of a bandaid for the problem but seems to be my only logical choice for now.
1dopewrx05 said:
Well I mean that's a given with anything you buy on the internet without seeing it first. As for the price of it, a genuine OEM Pixel 4 battery is $25-$30 so I'm not put off by the $10 difference in price. I also am not going to be relying on the battery if I try it, as in if it turns out to be a dud I would just immediately swap back in the OEM battery and take the little $20 hit but I think its Worth trying with the current risk to benefit comparison and if it ends up being truthful, even if it's not 4220mAh but more than the OEM 3700mAh it would be a win in my book for the price. I have an inline USB meter I can throw between the charger and phone to measure how many milliamp hours the battery actually took.
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Did you try the 4220mAh battery?
mojorisin7178 said:
According to accubattery I currently have 12 hours and 25 minutes of screen on time. I dont know about anyone else but that is really good in my book and more than enough. My battery is reading 103% capacity.
I never fast charge my phone unless I forget to charge it overnight and I am leaving the house soon then I throw it on the original charger. And I almost never charge past 80%. I actually use a device called chargie that slow charges my phone overnight. It completely shuts down the charger at 80 allows the phone to discharge to 76 and kicks back on and goes back to 80. My battery only goes up about 10 degrees F while charging. And I have it set to shut off the charger if my battery reaches 110 degrees F. I really plan on keeping this phone for at least 3 years (since I have a family and I have to be a big boy and put food on the table now) No more getting the newest phone for me every year.
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12 hours screen on time? What alternate plane of existence do you get that kind of SOT with a P4XL??
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I just opened up mine the other day to replace the rear glass ( had a crack in the corner). Was pretty easy with the guitar pick looking spudger. I did not need any heat to open it. Figured while I was in there might as well replace the battery with a fresh one. Both were purchased from ifixit. The swap out went fairly quick, I just took my time to scrape all the sealant from the edges of the phone for the back glass to have a good seal. Haven't dunked it yet to test if its still waterproof.
alwynjoshy said:
Did you try the 4220mAh battery?
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No I actually never ended up pulling the trigger on it. To be honest, I'm still really interested in the idea. The only slight bit of anxiety it gives me is with breaking the factory adhesive on the rear panel. Still, I will try it soon. I hate having to dedicate a pocket to my power bank anytime I'm out for more than a couple of hours.
ocblazer949 said:
I just opened up mine the other day to replace the rear glass ( had a crack in the corner). Was pretty easy with the guitar pick looking spudger. I did not need any heat to open it. Figured while I was in there might as well replace the battery with a fresh one. Both were purchased from ifixit. The swap out went fairly quick, I just took my time to scrape all the sealant from the edges of the phone for the back glass to have a good seal. Haven't dunked it yet to test if its still waterproof.
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What adhesive did you replace the factory stuff with and where did you get it?
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What adhesive did you replace the factory stuff with and where did you get it?
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The 3 pull strips for the battery didn't fully come off so there was still some that I could reuse to secure the battery. The rear glass that comes from ifixit has everything (nfc,qi, camera lens gasket etc) already attached to it including the adhesive. They also sell just the adhesive strip by itself if you're just opening it up.
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Google-Pixel-4-XL