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So I was just curious if there were any devs who were trying to crack this device and get some open development on this.
If there is, and you need us who have the phone in our hands to help, let us know!
none of them as far as i know
I haven't seen anything on the internet about this device or development that sucks I wish there was root available for this device and developers support hopefully someone comes out with something soon maybe is because some developers don't even have the device that's why they don't come out with anything yet or maybe it will stay that way :/
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I haven't seen anything on the internet about this device or development that sucks I wish there was root available for this device and developers support hopefully someone comes out with something soon maybe is because some developers don't even have the device that's why they don't come out with anything yet or maybe it will stay that way :/
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I have some hope. I mean the Idol 3 got rooted and custom ROMs after all.
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I have some hope. I mean the Idol 3 got rooted and custom ROMs after all.
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I think we might have to wait till probably early next year. Android 7.0 is about a month away, I think devs may wait till 7.0 is out there for the Idol 4S before they'd go tinkering.
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I think we might have to wait till probably early next year. Android 7.0 is about a month away, I think devs may wait till 7.0 is out there for the Idol 4S before they'd go tinkering.
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we wont be getting 7.0 until the end of 2017..it is sad to say that there are already developers working on root for the note 7, and the phone hasnt even been in the market for more than a week
Sucks there is no developers working on this device , we need root , two or cwm , roms that's the only way to get maybe to get Android 7 earlier hopefully some developer takes action for us that would be awesome
Can anyone check to see if there is any validity to this method described on this site?
rootoreviews.com/root-Alcatel-Idol-4s-install-twrp-custom-recovery
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Can anyone check to see if there is any validity to this method described on this site?
rootoreviews.com/root-Alcatel-Idol-4s-install-twrp-custom-recovery
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That's the way on carrier-branded handsets (unless you got HTC) I think. It's missing the whole part about the bootloader unlock part. While Marshmallow has an OEM Unlock switch, it's useless if the manufacturer won't release it (yet?).
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That's the way on carrier-branded handsets (unless you got HTC) I think. It's missing the whole part about the bootloader unlock part. While Marshmallow has an OEM Unlock switch, it's useless if the manufacturer won't release it (yet?).
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Yeah seemed too good to be true haha. Guess we'll just keep waiting then.
I was just curious if anyone has an idea about root for the idol 4? I remember reading about the idol 3 and all I used was the Alcatel idol upgrade tool, flashed back to 5.1, rooted with recovery and installed stock rim zip. Is this a possibility to bypass the latest 6.0 bootloader? When I did the idol 3 I never had to unlock bootloader for root and custom Roms.
Weren't fastboot binarys removed?
If yes there will probably never be a chance to see custom ROMs for this device.
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I so want this device to be rooted.. What are your opinions on this device with root? Will it be beast?
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Weren't fastboot binarys removed?
If yes there will probably never be a chance to see custom ROMs for this device.
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Fast boot was removed even with idol 3 but devs are developing. Only thing I noticed is with Alcatel idol 3 you were able to install 5.1, root, and install zip update through twrp. I'm trying to find 5.1 for this phone so I can do the same. I did however find some rooting links from others working on the possibilities.
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Fast boot was removed even with idol 3 but devs are developing. Only thing I noticed is with Alcatel idol 3 you were able to install 5.1, root, and install zip update through twrp. I'm trying to find 5.1 for this phone so I can do the same. I did however find some rooting links from others working on the possibilities.
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Honestly the only thing I ever do is root because the coolest software is for rooted phones.
I wouldn't consider myself a dev, but more of a tinkerer. Once I get my post count up, i'll be compiling some information i've collected about the device / similar devices. Hopefully we can get this ball rolling.
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Fast boot was removed even with idol 3 but devs are developing. Only thing I noticed is with Alcatel idol 3 you were able to install 5.1, root, and install zip update through twrp. I'm trying to find 5.1 for this phone so I can do the same. I did however find some rooting links from others working on the possibilities.
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Honestly the only thing I ever do is root because the coolest software is for rooted phones.
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I think that only worked because the 3S had initially fastboot commands and those were later removed to "secure the phone" (big BS if u ask me).
But don't quote me on that. I don't own the device I had only looked into it its "fastboot command returning method" half a year ago because Oppo (my phones brand) had done the same thing with its fastboot commands. I was building up that method when I crossed the mind of a genius Interpreter hacker who was faster and used a way better method. I can't elaborate on the method used but he would be the only one I know, who could do something about the fastboot commands returning to the 4S.
I can't reveal his name because I promised not to but I could send him the "aboot" partition which contains the Little Kernel and let him check if he would be able to.
That is however only possible if someone could gain root access to the 4S and "DD" the aboot partition.
On a side note. Does Alcatel release kernel sources?
i think we have to make a custom kernel for root
Under developer options, the OEM can be unlocked (thus the boot loader). So it seems like Alcatel intended to allow devs to tweak with the phone. But at this point, it isn't much to go on.
deaniebaby said:
Under developer options, the OEM can be unlocked (thus the boot loader). So it seems like Alcatel intended to allow devs to tweak with the phone. But at this point, it isn't much to go on.
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That option does literally nothing for unlocking the bootloader without fastboot.
If fastboot binarys were available it would just set a permission flag to allow "fastboot OEM unlock".
Alcatel removed the fastboot binarys intentionally to prevent users from rooting/flashing custom ROMs/ getting rid of crappy pre-installed vendor apps that only are their to use their services because they profit from data-mining.
The oem unlock toggle is included in all android google code. The vendors just don't bother to remove it. They simply remove the fastboot binarys.
Contacted alcatel support telling them to release a bootloader unlock or to release kernel source and fastboot binaries their answer is not clear since they didn't answer everything i asked but maybe we have some hope i did this for us who own the idol 4s and wants this thing rooted and developed support we should all email alcatel support and ask for a release tool to unlock bootloader https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/AF1QipNi-GuS-c9DhHSqB-y0CQPwQdDPQETpvLd-rvV5
Simply put I want to Lock my bootloader and recovery even disabling recovery would be fine.
I'm basically asking if this is possible although I understand there are so to speak 1337 methods to bypass the Security measures I'm concerned with.
It's just most people's first approach to a phone they just found/stole is factory reset where frp would kick in, with the unlocked bootloader that would be easy af to bypass. *Not to mention frp bypass methods that are public
My goal is to set up my phone with the latest release of Pure Nexus + root and Latest TWRP, from there Lock the bootloader and then secure TWRP IE recover with a return to owner for reward with contact info.
Basically disabling/locking recovery with a return to owner screen and locking the bootloader as basic deterrent's for any common / petty their or anyone looking to upgrade to the phone they just found if you catch my drift.
-Also it would be nice to feel a little more secure with all these extra features PureNexus offers although I get that Android Security is fundamentally flawed these are just deterrents, also I'd be stoked to see this on a device I come across.
*Wouldn't hesitate to up call the owner of a phone that properly configured, although I know I could bypass it just a respect thing for me. :3
You can lock the bootloader, but it can simply be unlocked again. The only way to ensure it can't be unlocked is to encrypt it, and no Nexus device has an encrypted bootloader. Recovery cannot be disabled, though you could flash a non-working recovery image to the recovery partition. In that case however, simply unlocking the bootloader would allow someone to flash a recovery image to the device.
Your goals are laudable, but you're wasting your time here. To accomplish your end goal requires a device with an encrypted bootloader, which means you want something that isn't a Nexus and is sold through AT&T or Verizon. Both carriers encrypt the bootloader so you can't unlock it.
So basically because the bootloader cannot be secured my efforts would be in vain, are we sure I can't simply relock the bootloader in the same fashion that the stock rom is shipped out.
IE I remember having to OEM unlock in order to flash a custom recovery, with that being said after flashing a disabled recovery is it not possible to then re enable OEM lock somehow even with Pure Nexus running.
*Perhaps even only with the stock rom?
I'll make this as plain as I can. The only way to secure the bootloader is to encrypt it. Locking the bootloader and resetting the OEM Unlocking toggle in Developer Options won't help since any potential thief can simply unlock the bootloader. If you want to improve security, set a pin, pattern lock, or password after you mess around with locking the bootloader and setting the OEM Unlock toggle to off (if possible).
Simply disabling the ome toggle in developer setting doesn't relock the bootloader so would you say it's safe to run "fastboot oem lock" with Pure Nexus installed wipe data and then disable the oem toggle?
If that works wouldn't it be True to say I would need re enable the oem toggle and then "fastboot oem unlock" if I ever intended to replace the disabled recovery.
I really just wanted to shoot in the dark, although I don't want to brick my Nexus 6. Also sorry for a better lack of information on my part I don't mean to be a hassle.
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Simply disabling the ome toggle in developer setting doesn't relock the bootloader so would you say it's safe to run "fastboot oem lock" with Pure Nexus installed wipe data and then disable the oem toggle?
If that works wouldn't it be True to say I would need re enable the oem toggle and then "fastboot oem unlock" if I ever intended to replace the disabled recovery.
I really just wanted to shoot in the dark, although I don't want to brick my Nexus 6. Also sorry for a better lack of information on my part I don't mean to be a hassle.
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Never lock the bootloader when running a.custom ROM... Bad very bad idea
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Never lock the bootloader when running a.custom ROM... Bad very bad idea
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Worth asking why?
As in is this a goal worth pursuing IE a custom or unofficial build that supports such functionality.
Possibly already done: http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...4-7-bootloader-after-flashing-a-non-stock-rom
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Worth asking why?
As in is this a goal worth pursuing IE a custom or unofficial build that supports such functionality.
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Because...
Stock ROMs are tested and tested for compatibility... To make sure you don't wind up in a bootloop (unless you have an LG)
Custom ROMs... Are not... No matter beans best intentions... He's no OEM...
You wind up in a bootloop for whatever reason... And a factory reset doesn't fix it... You're done... You have a paperweight...
So proceed as pleased, if I feel risky or got an extra Shamu I'll shoot in the dark and post the results. :3
More info:
What the consequences are really depends on your device. Most devices enable signature-verification for the boot partition (kernel) which prevents you from booting any kernels not signed by device manufacturer (unless you exploit some security breaches like 2nd boot). They also disallow you to flash any partition via 'fastboot flash' command, but not on all devices.
So no, you are not okay with relocking your phone: If you use custom firmware, you typically use a custom kernel and in this case, re-locking your bootloader via 'fastboot oem lock' will put your device in a state where it will not boot anymore! Be careful with that.
Info source: http://android.stackexchange.com/users/89475/kuleszdl
Idea: Disable signature-verification?
Note: Everyone thinks it will brick no one has said it happened, very strong possibility signature-verification is enabled. ?
are you an secret agent or something?
why the extreme paranoia about having this phone?
wase4711 said:
are you an secret agent or something?
why the extreme paranoia about having this phone?
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I agree.
@JmakeITlookEZY, Basically, if your trying to say they want to give someone a phone that cannot be unlocked after locking it, then this isn't the device for you. There is an 'OEM Unlock' to prevent this but to hide this setting, would have no idea . And if you lock the bootloader and then someone wants to unlock it, it has to wipe the device.
Just have to live with the fact if someone wants to try and unlock the device, it's gonna get wiped no matter what. I'm no security expert but if you're worried something is going to happen to your phone, then you shouldn't be using it.
And if your really concerned, using a screen lock will prevent users from going into the recovery or booting the device anyways.
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It would be nice to feel confident enough to leave my device lying around or even lose it and know that it will either be returned or discarded.
I believe that level of security should be an option, not to mention have the ability to do it to begin with.
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It would be nice to feel confident enough to leave my device lying around or even lose it and know that it will either be returned or discarded.
I believe that level of security should be an option, not to mention have the ability to do it to begin with.
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Yeah its called GPS
google Android Device Manager and use the locate device. You can even lock it if lost and erase all data.
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Not really a concern, if someone decided to keep the device the first step would be turn it off.
*More than likely reset from there epically considering encrypting the device would be a given.
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Not really a concern, if someone decided to keep the device the first step would be turn it off.
*More than likely reset from there epically considering encrypting the device would be a given.
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Buy a tracking device and hack the phone. Problem solved
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Care to elaborate "tracking device" & "hack the phone" just dosen't seem to be what I'm shooting for.
JmakeITlookEZY said:
Care to elaborate "tracking device" & "hack the phone" just dosen't seem to be what I'm shooting for.
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So you don't work for the CIA...
Let's be real, if you have no trust when something gets lost, then you don't deserve it. Should do your research and check out how to prevent something if it get's lost: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/what-really-happens-when-a-smartphone-is-lost-195321
This is not a suicide hotline thread, if you're scared about losing something and not getting it returned, then I have to say you have a serious episode of OCD. Don't be that guy and learn to live with the consequences.
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Just to be Frank this is about information and general purpose security how you perceive it, is whatever.
*Also to address the "you don't deserve it" my concerns are the opposite it's not that I don't deserve it, more the other way around.
Update: Found more information that pretty much sums up what I hope to accomplish aswell as the implications.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ncryption-signing-and-locking-let-me-explain/
Update,
May be possible via: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...signing-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606
Hi developers.
Please do not hate me, but I have been looking for the answer and didn't see it anywhere. I just got Galaxy S8 verizon - G950USQU4CRE9 (it was a free gift from Verizon for their mistake) and I wanted to root it, but it seems that OEM unlock is missing in the developer menu, I have tried many things, not luck, so I thought I would ask you guys. IS there any chance to root it, or downgrade it to 7 and then root it?
Thank you very much for your answers and solutions
romanko258 said:
Hi developers.
Please do not hate me, but I have been looking for the answer and didn't see it anywhere. I just got Galaxy S8 verizon - G950USQU4CRE9 (it was a free gift from Verizon for their mistake) and I wanted to root it, but it seems that OEM unlock is missing in the developer menu, I have tried many things, not luck, so I thought I would ask you guys. IS there any chance to root it, or downgrade it to 7 and then root it?
Thank you very much for your answers and solutions
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For future reference, when you are looking for how to root a specific device, the best thing to try is to do a Google search for:
"How to root (your specific model number)"
In your case it would be:
"How to root S8 SM G950U"
If you had done a search using your model number, you would have easily found this:
https://www.skyneel.com/root-samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950u
Remember, when you have a question about a certain device or if you want to know how to do something on a certain model number, it is always best to use the device's specific model number in your search terms along with the thing you're looking for or along with what you want to do to the device.
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Thank you
Thank you for your answer. Believe me I have tried it all, that is why I have chooses this form. In the link provided there is mention OEM unlock option, now this is what I do not have on my phone.
That is why I have posted the question. I read that snapdragon version is difficult to root, so I hoped to find the answer here, where there are lot of smart developers.
I am afraid to use the method described in the link because I have not unlocked the bootloader and I am not sure if that would work without it and if it will not brick the phone.
So, is the version irrelevant when looking for the root option? It is good enough to look just for G950US instead of G950USQU4CRE9? I know I have many questions, but I am just starting the path you already walked on.
romanko258 said:
Thank you for your answer. Believe me I have tried it all, that is why I have chooses this form. In the link provided there is mention OEM unlock option, now this is what I do not have on my phone.
That is why I have posted the question. I read that snapdragon version is difficult to root, so I hoped to find the answer here, where there are lot of smart developers.
I am afraid to use the method described in the link because I have not unlocked the bootloader and I am not sure if that would work without it and if it will not brick the phone.
So, is the version irrelevant when looking for the root option? It is good enough to look just for G950US instead of G950USQU4CRE9? I know I have many questions, but I am just starting the path you already walked on.
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Usually, the model number in device settings or the model number behind battery should be enough, what you posted looks like the baseband or build number, there shouldn't be a need for the baseband or the build number unless there is more than one android version available for the device that are different from each other. In this case, the baseband or build number might make a difference if the method to root is different for each baseband/build number.
For example, some Samsung devices that use CF-autoroot have more than one android version/baseband/build number available, for some of these devices, the version of CF-autoroot is different, you can't use the CF-autoroot that is built to work with "this" version/baseband/build number on "that" version/baseband/build number.
If you're in doubt, check which version/baseband/build number that the CF-autoroot for your model number is built to work with, if it's different than the version/baseband/build number that is currently installed on your device, you can't use it.
Now, as for the OEM unlock option. Try disconnecting from mobile data and Wifi then remove your SIM card, then disable the telephone app on your device, then reboot the device, then check settings to see if you have the OEM unlock option.
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Thank you
Thank you for the explanation, it is clearer to me after your explanation
As per :Noa, as for the OEM unlock option. Try disconnecting from mobile data and Wifi then remove your SIM card, then disable the telephone app on your device, then reboot the device, then chrck settings to see if you have the OEM unlock option.
I have tried that and no luck.
SO it means that until I will have the option on my phone, I can NOT do anything regarding rooting the phone, correct? Maybe I should explain what I am looking for with the root option. I am not a developer at any means, I just like to have a control over the device, so that Being said and I want be able to remove any bloatware that I do not need.
Droidriven said:
Usually, the model number in device settings or the model number behind battery should be enough, what you posted looks like the baseband or build number, there shouldn't be a need for the baseband or the build number unless there is more than one android version available for the device that are different from each other. In this case, the baseband or build number might make a difference if the method to root is different for each baseband/build number.
For example, some Samsung devices that use CF-autoroot have more than one android version/baseband/build number available, for some of these devices, the version of CF-autoroot is different, you can't use the CF-autoroot that is built to work with "this" version/baseband/build number on "that" version/baseband/build number.
If you're in doubt, check which version/baseband/build number that the CF-autoroot for your model number is built to work with, if it's different than the version/baseband/build number that is currently installed on your device, you can't use it.
Noa, as for the OEM unlock option. Try disconnecting from mobile data and Wifi then remove your SIM card, then disable the telephone app on your device, then reboot the device, then chrck settings to see if you have the OEM unlock option.
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romanko258 said:
Thank you for the explanation, it is clearer to me after your explanation
As per :Noa, as for the OEM unlock option. Try disconnecting from mobile data and Wifi then remove your SIM card, then disable the telephone app on your device, then reboot the device, then chrck settings to see if you have the OEM unlock option.
I have tried that and no luck.
SO it means that until I will have the option on my phone, I can NOT do anything regarding rooting the phone, correct? Maybe I should explain what I am looking for with the root option. I am not a developer at any means, I just like to have a control over the device, so that Being said and I want be able to remove any bloatware that I do not need.
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If you can't unlock the bootloader then your only chance is if one of the universal android apps for rooting android devices or one of the universal PC programs for rooting android devices just happens to work on your model.
Do some searches for:
"PC tools to root any android device"
Or
"Universal rooting apps for android"
There are many different android apps and PC programs for rooting android devices, try any and all android apps or PC programs designed for rooting that you can possibly find, maybe you'll get lucky.
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thanks again
thanks agin for your reply, I really appreciate it, I just tried I think all of them I have found, still no luck
Droidriven said:
If you can't unlock the bootloader then your only chance is if one of the universal android apps for rooting android devices or one of the universal PC programs for rooting android devices just happens to work on your model.
Do some searches for:
"PC tools to root any android device"
Or
"Universal rooting apps for android"
There are many different android apps and PC programs for rooting android devices, try any and all android apps or PC programs designed for rooting that you can possibly find, maybe you'll get lucky.
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I guess I need to wait for OEM unlock option to appear on my phone, without it I can not do anything, Root genius was pretty close to 87% and then I got message that the phone is too solid to root
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thanks agin for your reply, I really appreciate it, I just tried I think all of them I have found, still no luck
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romanko258 said:
I guess I need to wait for OEM unlock option to appear on my phone, without it I can not do anything, Root genius was pretty close to 87% and then I got message that the phone is too solid to root
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there is no oem unlock on our devices we have bootloader locked phones Dude is not very smart and rolling off stock piles of crap
he needs to learn to search himself before making posts obviously
he is using a lg not even a samsung to post from
Depending on your firmware on your device now makes or breaks root
S8 bootloaders 1 and 2 only can be rooted 3 or higher no chance as of now and no downgrade possible
If the firmware you have listed in the title is correct you are on version 4 which is not rootable by anymeans need to get a different device
Thank you, I was suspicious about it as well, because I have researched it myself before I turned for the answer in here. The good neews is that my phone is not bricked and it works, and hopefully there will be root options sometime soon.
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there is no oem unlock on our devices we have bootloader locked phones Dude is not very smart and rolling off stock piles of crap
he needs to learn to search himself before making posts obviously
he is using a lg not even a samsung to post from
Depending on your firmware on your device now makes or breaks root
S8 bootloaders 1 and 2 only can be rooted 3 or higher no chance as of now and no downgrade possible
If the firmware you have listed in the title is correct you are on version 4 which is not rootable by anymeans need to get a different device
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romanko258 said:
Thank you, I was suspicious about it as well, because I have researched it myself before I turned for the answer in here. The good neews is that my phone is not bricked and it works, and hopefully there will be root options sometime soon.
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Sammy patched the only root method we had at the time
Im just glad you got the info before messing up the device Some people want to help but they dont know what is going on
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there is no oem unlock on our devices we have bootloader locked phones Dude is not very smart and rolling off stock piles of crap
he needs to learn to search himself before making posts obviously
he is using a lg not even a samsung to post from
Depending on your firmware on your device now makes or breaks root
S8 bootloaders 1 and 2 only can be rooted 3 or higher no chance as of now and no downgrade possible
If the firmware you have listed in the title is correct you are on version 4 which is not rootable by anymeans need to get a different device
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Actually, I'm very familiar with CF autoroot.
I hate to break it to you but there are more than a few devices that can flash CF autoroot even though they have a LOCKED bootloader. Chainfire found a way around it on some devices, but those devices could only root via CF autoroot, they couldn't get TWRP at the same time. Granted, whether "this" or "that" device could use CF autoroot on locked bootloader is device specific, but that is where the user reads the CF Autoroot thread to see if their device meets that version of CF autoroots requirements, if it's one that can be used on locked bootloader, it will say so, if not, it will say that also.
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Also, if you look a few posts up, I actually posted the only possibilities to root if the bootloader could not be unlocked.
I understand where you're coming from though.
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Hey guys,
Is there any way to either reset the lockscreen password or to backup all userdata from a Moto G5S plus that's upgraded to Android 8.0, is not rooted, is running stock ROM, does not have ADB debugging enabled and has no custom recovery?
Most likely no, I've never had a Motorola phone before though, and I couldn't find any workarounds/utilities, but perhaps I wasn't using the right keywords.
Thanks in advance,
Lada
Hi, same problem here. My son can't unlock his Phone with password that was working yesterday Just fine. He has his fingerprint enabled and password. Fingerprint is not enough and it wants also the pass which is not working. Debugging is disabled, stock Rom unrooted. We cant even export data from it. Any solutions before factory reset?
Afaik there's mo such method because the whole mechanism would be pointless if one can bypass lockscreen password just like that.
You'll need to use some Forensic tools for retrieving data. Not a sure shot method and definitely not a cheap one as the software cost very much.
You can search and find Stellar Phoenix (or similar alternatives).
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Afaik there's mo such method because the whole mechanism would be pointless if one can bypass lockscreen password just like that.
You'll need to use some Forensic tools for retrieving data. Not a sure shot method and definitely not a cheap one as the software cost very much.
You can search and find Stellar Phoenix (or similar alternatives).
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I've tried several software, but they either only worked for a select few Samsung devices, or only with older versions of Android.
I was 95% sure it's a lost cause, just wanted to ask around, see if there are any Motorola-specific workarounds or whatever to try!
Lada333 said:
Hey guys,
Is there any way to either reset the lockscreen password or to backup all userdata from a Moto G5S plus that's upgraded to Android 8.0, is not rooted, is running stock ROM, does not have ADB debugging enabled and has no custom recovery?
Most likely no, I've never had a Motorola phone before though, and I couldn't find any workarounds/utilities, but perhaps I wasn't using the right keywords.
Thanks in advance,
Lada
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Kamolot said:
Hi, same problem here. My son can't unlock his Phone with password that was working yesterday Just fine. He has his fingerprint enabled and password. Fingerprint is not enough and it wants also the pass which is not working. Debugging is disabled, stock Rom unrooted. We cant even export data from it. Any solutions before factory reset?
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You can try this some of the method to unlock your device, i don't know if it works or not, but give it a try maybe it works.
https://www.androidphonesoft.com/resources/forget-lock-password-android.html
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/forgot-android-passcode/
riyan65 said:
You can try this some of the method to unlock your device, i don't know if it works or not, but give it a try maybe it works.
https://www.androidphonesoft.com/resources/forget-lock-password-android.html
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/forgot-android-passcode/
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Yeah, those are all outdated :/
Lada333 said:
I've tried several software, but they either only worked for a select few Samsung devices, or only with older versions of Android.
I was 95% sure it's a lost cause, just wanted to ask around, see if there are any Motorola-specific workarounds or whatever to try!
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I got to know that in an internship at an investigation agency. They use that software to solve criminal cases. It should work somehow but yes, may take significant time.
tarun0 said:
I got to know that in an internship at an investigation agency. They use that software to solve criminal cases. It should work somehow but yes, may take significant time.
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By all means, there must be software out there that can bypass whatever lockscreen, but I doubt it's "commercially available"
Totally stock pixel 5. Tried to sideload 12, and due to crappy instructions on XDA, that failed to mention the need to do the OEM unlock step, I ended up with a ADB sideload flash that failed at 94% and resulted in a empty A partition and a phone that failed to boot, so it switched to the backup system partition.
I'm now booted on the B partition (Android 11).
How can I fix my phone, so it's got 2 good system partitions?
Enable OEM unlocking, unlock bootloader, then use the Android Flash Tool to flash 12 Beta 5. Wiping /data shouldn't be necessary; however, if this fails and you have to force flash all partitions, a /data wipe will be required.
I highly recommend you keep the bootloader unlocked while using beta firmware, because it makes it a LOT easier to downgrade back to production firmware.
If you intend to root, don't forget to disable dm-verity and vbmeta-verification.
Detailed instructions on using the Android Flash Tool
Tip: When you get to the step of selecting which build to flash to your device, click the pencil icon to change options. Make sure you leave Relock Bootloader unchecked,
V0latyle said:
Wiping /data shouldn't be necessary
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But unlocking the bootloader will wipe the phone.....
EDIT: I'm assuming there is a wipe data option with Android Flash Tool?
I don't know. I've never used it
xunholyx said:
But unlocking the bootloader will wipe the phone.....
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Correct, but it's still necessary to install the beta (and downgrade)
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EDIT: I'm assuming there is a wipe data option with Android Flash Tool?
I don't know. I've never used it
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There is indeed. It's actually quite comprehensive.
I don't want to unlock the bootloader. I just want to get a system partition back, I do t want root or any modifications,
Chr1stOnABike said:
I don't want to unlock the bootloader. I just want to get a system partition back, I do t want root or any modifications,
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In that case, I believe the only option for you is to attempt to sideload the OTA via recovery.
Download the beta OTA here
Follow the instructions to apply the OTA here
If this does not work, you can try using the Android Flash Tool after enabling Developer Options and USB Debugging. You can choose not to wipe your device in the tool options. No guarantee this will work. Requires unlocked bootloader
I will say this: Running beta software on a locked bootloader is not only highly inadvisable, it's foolhardy. Beta software is EXPERIMENTAL, you use it AT YOUR OWN RISK, meaning it is YOUR responsibility to fix it if something goes wrong. Keeping your bootloader unlocked means your ability to fix it is limited, if not impossible.
V0latyle said:
In that case, I believe the only option for you is to attempt to sideload the OTA via recovery.
Download the beta OTA here
Follow the instructions to apply the OTA here
If this does not work, you can try using the Android Flash Tool after enabling Developer Options and USB Debugging. You can choose not to wipe your device in the tool options. No guarantee this will work.
I will say this: Running beta software on a locked bootloader is not only highly inadvisable, it's foolhardy. Beta software is EXPERIMENTAL, you use it AT YOUR OWN RISK, meaning it is YOUR responsibility to fix it if something goes wrong. Keeping your bootloader unlocked means your ability to fix it is limited, if not impossible.
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Flash tool doesn't work, as it expects to go i to recovery, and it doesn't it comes up with the no system error.
So when android 12 releases in a couple of weeks, will it just flash it to the other partition, to retain 11? In other words,will this fix itself in the fullness of time.
Also, who is going to fix the crappy XDA blog post that was poorly checked that caused this mess. I can't be the only one (I know the flawed instructions have been copied by the usual churnalists 9to5google Android authority, Android police)
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Flash tool doesn't work, as it expects to go i to recovery, and it doesn't it comes up with the no system error.
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Ah. Well, you can fix this, but it will require unlocking the bootloader.
You can always relock it after you're done.
Chr1stOnABike said:
So when android 12 releases in a couple of weeks, will it just flash it to the other partition, to retain 11? In other words,will this fix itself in the fullness of time.
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Don't know. Given that you can't boot into recovery, you can't sideload the OTA to test this theory. I personally doubt it. You can either wait and see, or you can just bite the bullet and fix the issue.
Chr1stOnABike said:
Also, who is going to fix the crappy XDA blog post that was poorly checked that caused this mess. I can't be the only one (I know the flawed instructions have been copied by the usual churnalists 9to5google Android authority, Android police)
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Link to the post? You may not be the only one, but the majority of folks (including myself, I was in the Marine Corps for 9 years so you can guess my mental acuity) have been able to use the instructions to our success.
Isn't unlocking and relocking bootloader detectable in soft fuses and an instant warranty void?
How to install Android 12 and 12L on Google Pixel and other Android devices
Google has just released Android 12L beta for the Pixel lineup. Here is how you can install Android 12 (or 12L) on your smartphone!
www.xda-developers.com
Someone in the comments also broke their phone by following the untested Instructions.
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Isn't unlocking and relocking bootloader detectable in soft fuses and an instant warranty void?
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I'm not sure. But that raises a question for you: Why are you running beta firmware if you're worried about the warranty?
Chr1stOnABike said:
How to install Android 12 and 12L on Google Pixel and other Android devices
Google has just released Android 12L beta for the Pixel lineup. Here is how you can install Android 12 (or 12L) on your smartphone!
www.xda-developers.com
Someone in the comments also broke their phone by following the untested Instructions.
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I have updated my phone using both of these methods and can personally confirm the instructions are correct. The only difference I would point out is that I'm comfortable enough using adb and fastboot commands that I manually type them and don't use the batch file.
It is your responsibility to understand the instructions and follow them. You flash and modify your device at your own risk. If you do not fully understand the instructions, it is also your responsibility to either find the details you need, or ask for help.
This may seem rather condescending or apathetic, but the situation is this:
- You tried to run experimental beta firmware on your device despite your concerns for the warranty
- You did not ask questions before doing so, and if you did read any of the multiple threads on this issue, you would have been acutely aware of the recommendation to unlock your bootloader before you proceed
- You are now left with few options to fix your device because you decided to ignore experienced advice and do things your own way
As I stated previously, the responsibility for fixing things is yours and yours alone. If you were that concerned with your warranty, you should have kept your phone completely stock and avoided installing the beta.
I have one last recommendation for you:
Disenroll from the beta program and wait for the OTA to take you back to A11 public release. A data wipe will be required.
You have been told in detail what you can do to fix your device. What you do now is completely up to you.
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I'm not sure. But that raises a question for you: Why are you running beta firmware if you're worried about the warranty?
I have updated my phone using both of these methods and can personally confirm the instructions are correct. .
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The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
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Yes - I unlocked and rooted my phone the day I got it, and I bought it full price direct from Google. Your point?
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The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
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Yes, it's always worked for me. I've been trying to work with you here and give you options that do not require OEM Unlock or unlocking the bootloader. The reason I thought the Android Flash Tool might work is because it's literally a tool provided by Google, and though it uses ADB, I figured they might have some sort of security to allow recovery of locked phones.
What exactly is it you don't think I understand? As I've pointed out, you decided to install beta software on your device despite your concerns for warranty. As I ALSO pointed out, if warranty was that much of a concern for you, you should have stayed on stock public release firmware and not messed with anything at all.
I will admit that the guide you linked does not mention needing an unlocked bootloader. I think it's generally been assumed among us in the community that modifying your device requires an unlocked bootloader. I will talk to the mods and see if we can get a note added to the post. However, you seemed to miss the big warning that advises against using the beta on your daily driver.
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It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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Again, how so? If you're going to call me ignorant, you had better explain how.
OEM Unlock simply sets a flag: "unlock-ability" to 1. It's an on/off switch that corresponds to the 1 or 0 set for the "unlock-ability" flag. It has no other function.
When someone attempts to unlock the bootloader, the device checks that flag. If it's 0, the bootloader cannot be unlocked. If it's 1, it can.
Unlocking the bootloader disables security features that prevent you from flashing partitions on your phone, or booting images sent via ADB. The reason why this is important when running custom or experimental firmware is because it allows the user to reflash corrupted partitions (like in your case). It allows a lot more freedom over what you can do with your phone.
I've been doing this for years - more than 10 years in fact. I would be careful about making accusations like "you don't understand the difference" or "you don't know what you're talking about'" to someone who is trying to help you. I understand you're frustrated, but you're going to have to swallow your pride here and admit, at least to yourself, that you screwed up. It seems pretty clear to me that you either did not fully understand the risk of trying to modify your device with a locked bootloader (yes, installing the beta counts as a modification), or you ignored the risk and tried to do it anyway. Yet you come here and impugn my credibility? As they say, "check yourself before you wreck yourself". You screwed up and got yourself into this mess. You alone are to blame. No one has to help you, and believe me, I've been quite tempted to tell you to pound sand. The least you can do is show a little gratitude for someone who's trying to help, and respect for experience and knowledge far beyond your own.
I have one more option for you: Rescue mode.
Reboot your phone into bootloader (hold power + volume down, release power but keep holding volume down when screen turns off)
Use volume buttons to select rescue mode on the right side, then press power to select
Google Pixel Repair Tool
This probably won't work because the repair tool only works if the firmware on your phone is older or equivalent to the firmware the repair tool has.
Chr1stOnABike said:
The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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I haven't had time to read much of this thread yet, but why insult the one person I see who's trying to help you?
I've seen this before and other users who may know what to do, usually just walk away as they don't want to help someone who may just insult them or are clearly unappreciative of the help given.
Everyone let's all keep it civilized.
If you have issue with a post, please hit report button and walk away.
Positive vibes, all.
--andybones
@Chr1stOnABike I am indeed trying to help you, as I understand your situation is frustrating. I also understand that it may be frustrating to be told to do what you didn't want to do in the first place, but the reason why I'm telling you to do it is because it'll be of the most help to you.
Losing your data sucks. I get it. But fortunately the Pixel 5 is great about backing everything up to your Google account. Just make sure your photos are backed up and you'll be fine. Setting it back up after a wipe is a pain in the ass, but again, I'm recommending the bootloader unlock because I believe it's your best chance at recovery.
As far as that goes, I'm still trying to be flexible and provide you with different options. Be aware that if these other options don't work, you have no other choice. I'm not saying that to be rude, that's just the reality of it.
And lastly, I would very much appreciate you making the distinction between thinking I'm wrong because you have evidence to the contrary, vs thinking I'm wrong simply because you don't like my recommendations. If you sincerely believe I'm incorrect and can demonstrate how, please feel free to do so.
My only objective here is to help people the best I can with the knowledge and experience I have.
For those who ever get stuck like I did. When I got stuck in a bootloop, I realized I could 'fastboot boot twrp.img' and was able to save my internal storage from being lost by backing up to PC with TWRP, then move it back onto internal after the factory reset. Did I lost app data in these cases, yes. But that's my own fault for not regularly backup app data up with something like Swift or AppDash.
@Chr1stOnABike just checking in to see if you were able to get your problem resolved?