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S9 Exynos is totally borked Performance and battery wise

Just read it.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/5
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/8
I really hope Samsung fixes this "issues".
It sucks. Hard.

What is the problems with the exynos processor this year?
You think software issue or harware issue?

Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.

htcplussony said:
Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.
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Exynos 9810 seems to be another 5410: made to impress in synthetic benchmarks, and stop at nothing to achieve that.

I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.

Ive heard reviewers say and show on video the exynos having better battery life and a faster processor. Who to believe? I returned my snapdragon for an exynos because my SD got such horrible battery life. Just got the exynos so we will see. At least it can have root.

Sachinfan said:
I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.

Sachinfan said:
I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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I had the s9 for 10 days, sold it because I got much worse battery life than on my nearly one year old s8 and there were nearly no improvements at all. I only noticed these 3:
1. fp reader, better placement and much more accurate.
2. Sound from speakers which i never use, much better.
3. dual-sim.
In the end i felt that selling the s8 for 400 dollars more than I would get for my s8 was definitely worth it. Very happy with that decision.

As i said , such reviews have no real benefit for me as a everyday consumer. There's nothing to say that the author hasn't done an excellent job...he has. Point is whether you need such deep analysis , when you are never going to be affected. My view is <1% will notice these things.
Secondly battery is a very subjective thing, it depends on user to user and companies generally take a month or two to fix their stuff after a new release.

So I've had the exynos s9 all day and I gotta say it's much better battery life than my snapdragon s9. Only problem is now LTE doesn't work. Ughhh.

Even with a Exynos cpu, it will has godly performance.
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madnav said:
Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.
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Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.

garret1976 said:
Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.
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Those are not benchmarks; those are to test specific aspects of a SOC.
SD835 does still beat Exynos 8895 and 9810 when it comes to GPU intensive tasks; that is to credit QComm's exceptionally mature Adreno architecture.
SD835 will continue to beat these 2 CPU's when it comes to performance per Watt due to that.
SD810 was a failure, SD820 managed to narrow the GAP with E8890, and SD835 more or less went head to head with E8895.
Sure, synthetic benchmarks still favoured Exynos year after year, but the reality has not been that clear due to Samsung's DVFS being a year late compared to QComm. Those things might not be relevant to how a device performs (due to difference in choice of system variables and tuning); but they are very much relevant to judging how those SOC were designed and implemented. That is what the point of those tests are (over AnandTech and for their usual style of reviewing stuff).
You can check speedtests on ytube for SD845 vs E9810 and decide for yourself (speed tests are usually dumb across different devices but you can make some relevance when it comes to same device with different chips).
One such example:

AnandTech has published a testing article here for those of you who have been following this discussion and/or interested in improvements that Samsung and/or developers can bring to Exynos S9/S9+ via kernel modifications.
Improving The Exynos 9810 Galaxy S9: Part 1
Interesting read.
TL/DR:
Today’s results are just meant as a quick preview of the Exynos S9’s behaviour when removing what I believed the most offending parts of Samsung’s mechanisms. The results are very promising as we are essentially getting real-world performance boosts while at the same time seeing efficiency improvements and battery life improvements.
There is still a lot to be done - I haven’t really touched the scheduler or DVFS scaling logic, but I’m confident that it’s possible to improve things further. It’s unlikely that we’ll end up matching the Snapdragon 845 variant in battery life, as there are efficiency curve considerations at lower performance points that simply cannot be changed through software. But closing the gap as much as possible seems to be an attainable short-term goal.
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Now Samsung chimed in on the issue
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-addresses-battery-issues-exynos-powered-galaxy-s9

I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.

nitrous² said:
I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.
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The upgrade will be very notable over s7 generation.
S7Edge gave me great battery (6-7hr SOT); S8 and S8+ gave me lower than that (4-5hr SOT). Now S9+ again gives me great battery (6-7hr SOT).
All of them have been Dual SIM models; and yes, I did change phone that often since I had a way to upgrading for a very small price difference.
S9+ upgrade wasn't as cheap for me, so I'll have to continue on this for a bit longer. It is an exynos S9+ from India; and performance has not been an issue so far for me.
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I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
In the screenshot below, the power saving mode only has decreased 10% screen brightness only. No other altered settings.

stevenl23 said:
I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
In the screenshot below, the power saving mode only has decreased 10% screen brightness only. No other altered settings.
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This is what I'm talking about.
Battery tests, even in-depth semi-scientific analyses are all over the place and inconclusive. It is true that battery life is very user dependant but there should be a common theme all across the board. However, I don't see anything like that. I can't dealt with this for 2 years. I cancelled my order and will wait for a better deal on the S9+.

So , it seems , my reaction to the anandtech review was spot-on. S9 , irrespective of the cpu variants, is still a great device and we must not confuse ourselves with too much information where none is reqd.
God willing, I should be getting my hands on the s9 in early May.

Anandtech review of the S9/S9+ shows S845 is much faster than E9810

Very interesting read!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review

If Samsung doesn't fix this I'll sell my S9

Really wanted to buy one but I'm not going to as long as this issue is not fixed.

Fix what? It looks like any performance "fix" will be accompanied by loss of battery life anyway. There is a slim possibility that scheduler/governor could be improved somewhat, but that will not change the underlying hardware characteristics that much, meaning the gain from such a fix will not be significant and you will still pay a hefty battery cost..

Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.

lopri said:
Fix what? It looks like any performance "fix" will be accompanied by loss of battery life anyway. There is a slim possibility that scheduler/governor could be improved somewhat, but that will not change the underlying hardware characteristics that much, meaning the gain from such a fix will not be significant and you will still pay a hefty battery cost..
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Whenever a load is transferred from LITTLE cores to the big cores, SD845's big cores start at the max frequency while E9810's big cores start at the lowest frequency (and then increase gradually if load continues to be active).
If the load is of a longer nature (beyond 450ms iirc) then E9810 wins the race; but for short and burst loads the SD845 wins the race due to starting at max frequency.
So no, scheduler fix will not improve just somewhat; it will improve the performance substantially.
Sure, that might come with a battery hit since it will be a choice between 'a longer running load at lower power' vs 'a shorter running load at high power'; we will know better about battery drains when we get results from having used such a scheduler.

The way that exynos takes that long to ramp up the cpu, its like the only way one ever gets to 'experience' it in full speeds is synthetic benchmarks.

I was pumped coming from Snapdragon devices and thought the general consensus was that Exynos chips were typically better than Snapdragon. I'm saving to buy the Exynos version, but then a few of the big Youtubers ran speedtests of SD845 and 9810 and it seemed like the 845 generally performed better.
And after reading the anadtech article and battery life being worse (which is huge to me because I want the regular S9 and not the plus) I guess Snapdragon all the way.

Nurmi_CEO said:
I was pumped coming from Snapdragon devices and thought the general consensus was that Exynos chips were typically better than Snapdragon. I'm saving to buy the Exynos version, but then a few of the big Youtubers ran speedtests of SD845 and 9810 and it seemed like the 845 generally performed better.
And after reading the anadtech article and battery life being worse (which is huge to me because I want the regular S9 and not the plus) I guess Snapdragon all the way.
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I think general every day battery life depends on a lot more than just benchmarking. I have both the exynos and snapdragon S9 with me right now and the exynos gets better battery life after 1 day of use. I just got the phone yesterday but both starting with a 100% charge and using both pretty equal amounts and doing testing and web surfing etc... my exynos has about 10% more right now. Driving to work yesterday my SD845 phone drained 14% with the screen off and not even music playing. Honestly coming from a Pixel 2 XL they both kinda suck hard on battery life. The SD version was dying in half a day of light use for me. I got through the rest of the day yesterday with the exynos which is doable but ill have to keep chargers all around to make sure it stays charged on heavy use days.
Edit: On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.

I would really like to have Band 71. I thought I saw a post from someone who was getting conflicting answers from Samsung if B71 was in the international unlocked version. However then he posted and said he received it and sure enough found B71 in it. But now it's looking like I'll just bite the bullet and get the T-Mo SD845 version. Would have be nice to have an unlocked bootloader.

Nurmi_CEO said:
I would really like to have Band 71. I thought I saw a post from someone who was getting conflicting answers from Samsung if B71 was in the international unlocked version. However then he posted and said he received it and sure enough found B71 in it. But now it's looking like I'll just bite the bullet and get the T-Mo SD845 version. Would have be nice to have an unlocked bootloader.
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How can you find out if it has Band 71 on it? I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max. Soemthing is obviously wrong with the settings or the radio on the international to be doing that bad on tmobile. Its not bad location. Something is just missing either software, hardware or settings but I just odnt know. Id love to make this thing work.

jrharvey said:
I think general every day battery life depends on a lot more than just benchmarking. I have both the exynos and snapdragon S9 with me right now and the exynos gets better battery life after 1 day of use. I just got the phone yesterday but both starting with a 100% charge and using both pretty equal amounts and doing testing and web surfing etc... my exynos has about 10% more right now. Driving to work yesterday my SD845 phone drained 14% with the screen off and not even music playing. Honestly coming from a Pixel 2 XL they both kinda suck hard on battery life. The SD version was dying in half a day of light use for me. I got through the rest of the day yesterday with the exynos which is doable but ill have to keep chargers all around to make sure it stays charged on heavy use days.
Edit: On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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How can you find out if it has Band 71 on it? I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max. Soemthing is obviously wrong with the settings or the radio on the international to be doing that bad on tmobile. Its not bad location. Something is just missing either software, hardware or settings but I just odnt know. Id love to make this thing work.
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You'll have to look through the forum here. I have other things going on, but I remember someone created a thread and stated that it did. I have no further info.

Well, it's not like the phone is slow in any way so stop making a chicken of a feather.
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I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max.
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I've been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but this is concerning (I use T-Mobile).
Snapdragon is a non-option for me as having proper backup (aka Titanium) is IMO a bare essential. Now after having seen reviews that the S9 Exynos' battery life is even worse than the S8's, I'm wondering if I should just get the S8 instead. Anyone have any thoughts - S8 Exynos or S9 Exynos? If that Anandtech article's results are at all representative of what to expect, does it not seem silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a *downgrade* in battery life? Or maybe I just need to wait a bit longer for the kinks to get worked out? I mean, if it can really only do 1.5mbps on T-Mobile...ummm....

metal450 said:
I've been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but this is concerning (I use T-Mobile).
Snapdragon is a non-option for me as having proper backup (aka Titanium) is IMO a bare essential. Now after having seen reviews that the S9 Exynos' battery life is even worse than the S8's, I'm wondering if I should just get the S8 instead. Anyone have any thoughts - S8 Exynos or S9 Exynos? If that Anandtech article's results are at all representative of what to expect, does it not seem silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a *downgrade* in battery life? Or maybe I just need to wait a bit longer for the kinks to get worked out? I mean, if it can really only do 1.5mbps on T-Mobile...ummm....
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Ok well I did so many things to try and fix this and SOMETHING worked. Im now getting pretty much full speed although still not quite as good as teh US version for some reason although very very close. I went to Tmobile and got a new sim card in case this one was damaged or soemthing. i also played around with the APN settings and restarted several times. Something jolted the phone into working. SO when I test the two phones side by side now the US version might get 21mbps and the international 18mbps. Again the US will get 31mbps and the international 26mbps. US 13mbps and international 11mbps. The US version is always just slightly ahead. I drove around town and found some low reception spots where the US version was getting 2mbps and the international was crawling at .65 mbps. Out of probably 30 different test I did driving around I think only 1 time the international got better speeds and it was like 31mbps vs the US getting like 28. Id say its usable for sure but here is where it might matter most. I was in a bad reception part of town in a big mall type building and I rarely ever get service there. You have to stand next to a window to get any bars at all. The US version could barely get a connection but it did get something. The international didnt see anything until I completely left the building. Coming from a google pixel 2 XL that phone was about the same as what the US version of the galaxy s9 got. I walked all around the building and saw similar results. We dont even have band 71 in my city and that is the ONLY band that is missing from the international version that I have. Theoretically the international version SHOULD be performing the same however ive done plenty of test I can pretty much say in my case the international is slower.
Ironically the International version has been killing the US version in battery life. Im very happy about that. In standby mode the US version seems to drain very quickly for me while the exynos seems to just barely sip power. I can go an hour in standby and only use 1-2% while the US version can easily use 8% just sitting there and not doing anything. This morning I woke up and cleaned the house and both had 100% when I started. I didnt touch the phones at all. Both on wifi. About an hour later the exynos was at 98% and the US was at 93%. Both phones have the same apps and theoretically the same services running. The international actually SHOULD have more running in the background since my allo accound and texts/calls go to that phone and my wifes sim is in the other phone.

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Im now getting pretty much full speed although still not quite as good as teh US version for some reason although very very close.
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Well that's relieving to hear. 1 of my 3 concerns ticked off the list!
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I was in a bad reception part of town in a big mall type building and I rarely ever get service there. You have to stand next to a window to get any bars at all. The US version could barely get a connection but it did get something. The international didnt see anything until I completely left the building.
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Damn, that's definitely an issue, especially since I live in a very low-signal part of town (in the mountains). I wonder how Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 does in this regard...or if anyone else has any similar experiences as you...
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Ironically the International version has been killing the US version in battery life.
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Super odd, considering that's the exact opposite of what all the reviews seem to be saying! I'd be curious if anyone else could replicate this result - or again, to see something similar with Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9...
One more question: have you been able to get T-Mobile Wifi calling on the Exynos S9? I'm guessing not, but here in my low-signal area that's pretty essential. I figure someone on here will eventually work it out, but I was just hoping it might somehow already be up & running

metal450 said:
Well that's relieving to hear. 1 of my 3 concerns ticked off the list!
Damn, that's definitely an issue, especially since I live in a very low-signal part of town (in the mountains). I wonder how Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 does in this regard...or if anyone else has any similar experiences as you...
Super odd, considering that's the exact opposite of what all the reviews seem to be saying! I'd be curious if anyone else could replicate this result - or again, to see something similar with Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9...
One more question: have you been able to get T-Mobile Wifi calling on the Exynos S9? I'm guessing not, but here in my low-signal area that's pretty essential. I figure someone on here will eventually work it out, but I was just hoping it might somehow already be up & running
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I agree the battery life thing is very odd when you look at the word around town about the exynos. I think all that talk is sparked by the Adandtech review of the two phones and what you have to consider is those are synthetic benchmarks and they were also dealing with the snapdragon S9+ and the exynos S9 so completely different screen sizes and battery sizes. Now they used the cpu efficiency to come up with this idea that the exynos would theoretically perform worse than the snapdragon but thats all synthetics. I saw many online reviews of the battery life from the exynos and snapdragon versions and compared them and took a leap of faith that the exynos would be better. That was before the anandtech review came out. Thank god I was kinda right because battery life could not have been worse than my snapdragon s9 which just seemed to kill battery even when screen off and idle. Maybe its just my unit was bad but who knows. My review of battery life is strictly based on normal every day use and not synthetic benchmarks that nobody just does all day every day. Benchmarks are nice but they dont do crap for how you actually use the phone.

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I agree the battery life thing is very odd when you look at the word around town about the exynos. I think all that talk is sparked by the Adandtech review of the two phones and what you have to consider is those are synthetic benchmarks and they were also dealing with the snapdragon S9+ and the exynos S9 so completely different screen sizes and battery sizes. Now they used the cpu efficiency to come up with this idea that the exynos would theoretically perform worse than the snapdragon but thats all synthetics.
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For me that particular comparison is irrelevant, because a Snapdragon is non-unlockable -> non-backupable -> non-option. I was concerned about the results showing Exynos S9 is even inferior to Exynos S8.
And I agree that every-day use is what matters, not synthetics. However, I would also assume that synthetics would have *some* correlation to real-world; obviously they aren't a perfect representation of it, or they may exaggerate the difference, etc. But it's pretty surprising to find the exact opposite result. Makes me wonder if the S8 vs S9 result could be backwards too...

Give me an exynos over a snapdragon anyday.
Im more than happy with a small loss of performance over not being able to unlock my bootloader and customize to my hearts content.
My s9 plus is a very good upgrade on my s8 (now with the wife)
Im not even going to read this article as its a moot point tbh. Real world performance wise, this phone blows anything else i have used out of the water.
Yes with both battery and performance abd despite it being an exynos lol.

Performance is excellent with my galaxy s9 it's just battery I wish was better.

Question S21Ultra exynos vs snapdragon! Any winners

The early reviews seem to be mixed. Has anyone managed to source two together to give a verdict what is the latest and greatest amongst the two in all aspects not just performance.

CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.

Batfink33 said:
CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.
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Once it gets the AMD GPU it will destroy the Snapdragon and possibly finally level up with the Apple. Maybe not CPU wise, but definitely on the GPU front against Apple.

Edit. Wrong thread. Apologies.

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This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!

Listen to this guy, he is from HK and he've got the Snapdragon 888, in this video at 3:38 he mention that he don't understand how the american youtubers claims a 1.5 day battery life while his own experience in much less than that (almost half of that) .. so many youtubers unfortunately lies about the battery life and obviously this fool people who buys that device with Snapdragon 888, many of them put the phone only on Wi-Fi and not on cellular, it's not good and not nice when they claim something which is so badly incorrect. Note that BEN from the video below is using the phone with a SIM card, not with wi-fi only!
Review for SD888

nightoooo said:
This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!
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Where is the source for your info?

Invincible29 said:
Where is the source for your info?
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.

mtm1401 said:
So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.

Invincible29 said:
Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I pre-ordered the Exynos, trade in deal for my s10+ was good and I was in the market for some earbuds anyway.
I won't send my current phone in until I'm happy, 28 days should be enough to determine if the Ultra is worth keeping or not. (although won't get much of a chance to test out and about!).
I have considered SDs in the past, just a bit concerned about replacing it via insurance if it gets damaged (have to take it to a Samsung store). Seems like this year the SD isn't worth the hassle unless you constantly play demanding games which I don't. I would wait for the AMD S22, but I'm too impatient/tech whore sooooo couldn't wait.
The problem for me is trying to avoid Chinese phones (for ethical reasons), doesn't leave much choice!

mtm1401 said:
So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!

Invincible29 said:
Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now more sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part, battery life is more important, so with SD888 and its bad battery life there is no reason to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100!
BTW, the Exynos 2100 gives me what i need, from full support for 5G network as my carrier has kicked off here in Sweden unlike the SD888 which lacks the important Band 40 and 42! Also the SD888 lacks the eSIM functionality!

nightoooo said:
I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part battery life is more important, so with SD888 and bad battery time, there is no reason for me to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100 for now.
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I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.

nightoooo said:
Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!
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Yea it's not exactly like for like but can't imagine it makes loads of difference. I'm also more fussed about battery life, so will test it once I get it and see how it goes, battery life is just so dependent on personal usage, although I will say Phonebuff do a better job of testing, i.e. standby times and such, which gives a better idea of relative performance.
Andrei from Anandtech does really good reviews as well, but so in-depth that they don't usually release in time for pre-order

Invincible29 said:
I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.
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Yes, for sure you are getting 2 years warranty with Exynos 2100 in UK (i think) because we get that in Sweden too, additionally you are getting the pre booking freebies (Galaxy Buds Pro + Smart Tag), then you don't need to compare Exynos 2100 with the extremely bad Exynos 990 because the CPU is exactly the same as in SD888.
Regarding the MMwave, i don't care about it right now as it is not implemented yet in the networks here in Sweden, but i do have full 5G support for the rest of the bands which give me an advantage when the 4G is fully loaded.
I think Snapdragon will not be the intel of mobile world because Samsung is getting AMD help and involvement in the coming products, this will change the game!

This e sim is really important as you can add profiles without the need for physical sims. I had double checked this with HK version and it does not seem to be on the spec sheet. Yes band 40 will be gold once o2 pull their finger out in the UK for 5g. I think the decision is made for me that its going to be exynos for me plus also get samsung pay to work which is really handy for store cards. I'm using s9+ now and I don't know how uncomfortable the size of s21 ultra will be!

mtm1401 said:
So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.

eyeatoma said:
What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.
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I would start fresh, download apps manually, most have a cloud back up that they use themselves to restore once they are installed. From a settings perspective I'd do that all again fresh and let the system determine sleeping applications etc.
Basically avoid smart switch!
Tbh it's a good sort of audit process to work out which apps you have that you don't even use anymore

I don't think I was prepared for quite how big this phone is dwarfs my s10+ in size and weight

Question Is it worth to upgrade to a snapdragon 888 considering these ?

i currently own an S21 Ultra Exynos 2100 barly can reach 535k in antutu and poor score on pc mark and others and overall performance even if you freeze the phone and tried factory reset and it tried it all ... even battery life seems weak video play back barly six hours whatsapp calls drain it like its furmark on pc something is messed up with my unit and i dont wanna go through warranty here cuz ill be without a phone for several months and new ones will be out and in the end they will say its not covered so should i just pay difference import snapdragon 888 sell my unit and upgrade considering camera upgrades ai score upgrades etc and all other benefits to gpu boost ?
thoughts ?
live in middle Beirut warranty is just a word nothing is guaranteed everyone will try to rip you off basically
hope this isn't repeated but feel its a unique case considering the conditions and geolocation

What is your current build number?

faresmasouty said:
i currently own an S21 Ultra Exynos 2100 barly can reach 535k in antutu and poor score on pc mark and others and overall performance even if you freeze the phone and tried factory reset and it tried it all ... even battery life seems weak video play back barly six hours whatsapp calls drain it like its furmark on pc something is messed up with my unit and i dont wanna go through warranty here cuz ill be without a phone for several months and new ones will be out and in the end they will say its not covered so should i just pay difference import snapdragon 888 sell my unit and upgrade considering camera upgrades ai score upgrades etc and all other benefits to gpu boost ?
thoughts ?
live in middle Beirut warranty is just a word nothing is guaranteed everyone will try to rip you off basically
hope this isn't repeated but feel its a unique case considering the conditions and geolocation
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If you can return it do it and get 888, if you can't return it's not worth to sell and lose more money just to get another version, the phone is already too expensive

Probably not as much the cpu as crap running in the background robbing battery life.
This is true on the Snapdragon variants as well.
Android Q sucks due scope storage robbing cpu cycles/battery and more restrictions on 3rd party apps making diagnostics harder than with Pie.
My AT&T Note 10+ was a battery hog until I toned it down. It was time consuming to do but today it runs very well.
If I had to replace it today I go with another 10+ running on Pie. A vote of no confidence in Q/11 as well as Samsung's lack of newer/substantially better flagship phones.
2 dropped balls don't win any prizes only scorn...

blackhawk said:
Probably not as much the cpu as crap running in the background robbing battery life.
This is true on the Snapdragon variants as well.
Android Q sucks due scope storage robbing cpu cycles/battery and more restrictions on 3rd party apps making diagnostics harder than with Pie.
My AT&T Note 10+ was a battery hog until I toned it down. It was time consuming to do but today it runs very well.
If I had to replace it today I go with another 10+ running on Pie. A vote of no confidence in Q/11 as well as Samsung's lack of newer/substantially better flagship phones.
2 dropped balls don't win any prizes only scorn...
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What did you tone down?

Question Time to return

After spending just over a week with the FX3 pro think it's time to return it can't say I am blown away with it and don't feel it's a worthy successor to the FX2 pro
Battery life not that good having to quick charge at least twice to make it through the day ,
Camera has decent detail but colours are over saturated and not natural at all
Microscope lense is just pointless gimmicky lense and pretty useless in day to day use and hard to get a good in focus shot most of the time , detail quality reduces significantly when using zoom , again 10 bit photos is gimmicky when only the phone can display them at 10bit and when uploading to social media the quality is reduced to 8 bit anyway , performance for a SD 888 is disappointing this could be down to software optimization but stuttery web pages Facebook etc isn't grate and as mentioned Google feed is horrid considering its practically exact spec as the OnePlus 9 pro the bench marks are a lot less , maybe adaptive 120hz is to blame and not optimized correctly and even certain sites and apps just ain't optimized for high refresh rates , my 12 pro max with 60hz is smoother than 120hz on most social media and websites probably why apple have not jumped on the high refresh ban waggon admittedly swiping around the OS is a breeze but sadly that's were it ends , the chrome finish on the glossy black is just a step backward when most 2021 flagships are going for Matt finishes as the fingerprint and smudges are ridiculous on this device , sadly it's to many cons and that's just the major ones so will be retuning the device under my 28 day change of mind policy with the network , not being negative I'm sure most will be satisfied with the device but those things just make me think it's not worth the price tag that goes with it , and if you already have the X2 pro it's definitely not worth the upgrade yet

Wow what a shame that your journey with the FX3 turned out to be such a bad one.
I can't relate to most of your issues since my device is spot on from day 1
No lag or stutter and flawless benchmark scores, guess I am lucky and you got a Monday morning device.

Yes definitely or a Friday phone Lol should of known better than go with Chinese device , oh well on ward and upward

DoobyDroid said:
Yes definitely or a Friday phone Lol should of known better than go with Chinese device , oh well on ward and upward
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Only reason for me was the SD888 since I've had it with the Exynos issues by Samsung.
I did get the S21 Ultra 512Gb version first but that was a disappointment as well. It was a step back for me after the FX2Pro
Now I'm thinking about importing a SD version of the S21 Ultra, just not sure if that could give other issues on the Dutch networks

Yr I was looking at 21 ultra but a Friend had it for couple weeks and sent back due to camera not that grate although it's had a few updates since release and looking over on the forum camera updates so possibly better now and although previous exynos chips have been a let down against SD I think this time around it's slightly better not on par quiet but nearly but now you have said that I'm having second thoughts lol it's that or the dark side 12 pro Max , or stick with the x3 pro and see what updates address

DoobyDroid said:
Yr I was looking at 21 ultra but a Friend had it for couple weeks and sent back due to camera not that grate although it's had a few updates since release and looking over on the forum camera updates so possibly better now and although previous exynos chips have been a let down against SD I think this time around it's slightly better not on par quiet but nearly but now you have said that I'm having second thoughts lol it's that or the dark side 12 pro Max , or stick with the x3 pro and see what updates address
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Exynos 2100 is definitely not on oat with SD888 at least not with the S21 ultra. Had it for about a week and gladly returned it. My SD865 powered FX2Pro was performing much better compared to the Exynos powered S21U

I have no doubt" I'm just going on what bench comparison reviews I've seen yes still not as good but better than the S20 ultra's 990 was Vs 865 , Samsung slowly improving there chips , the one thing putting me of the 12 pro max is 60z going back from 120hz is horrid although I had the standard 12 prior to the x3 pro briefly after a few days you generally re adjust to 60hz as iOS is fairly buttery Smooth you do notice the odd stutter but what you loose in fluidnis you gain in battery so it's a question of trade offs and personal preference suppose camera samples do look better on the 12 pro max than s21 ultra more natural but does loose out to the s21 ultras video recording again it's what your willing to trade in one area to gain in another I personally very rarely even record video so not a big deal id rather have a better quick point and shoot cam, yes 21 ultra can do more and has multiple lenses and zooms but anything over 15x just starts to loose detail anyway so 108mp is pretty useless past that , decisions decisions one thing thought I'm really enjoying the 65w charging on X3 pro blazing fast and plugging in for 10 mins I'm good again for hrs I would definitely miss that if decide to exchange just wish the Sony 1 MK 3 was already out and I wouldn't have such hard time deciding as O2 have limited options to go for and nothing really new on the horizon for some time yet ,

patensas said:
Only reason for me was the SD888 since I've had it with the Exynos issues by Samsung.
I did get the S21 Ultra 512Gb version first but that was a disappointment as well. It was a step back for me after the FX2Pro
Now I'm thinking about importing a SD version of the S21 Ultra, just not sure if that could give other issues on the Dutch networks
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Why don't you just keep the x3 for another year? What do you not like about it?

latino147 said:
Why don't you just keep the x3 for another year? What do you not like about it?
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I miss the OneUI from Samsung devices and only reason I switched was the bad Exynos chip.
I miss the feeling I've got from the FX2Pro and the fact it did feel a bit more polished compared tot the FX3Pro
However I'll stick with the FX3Pro for a while to see what Oppo can do for us with firmware updates. As mentioned the latest firmware crippled my device when it comes to battery and performance, hoping they will fix this.
With previous firmware my device scored over 800000 point running Antutu 9, the latest firmware somewhere between 650 and 700000
Now I know benchmarks don't mean **** and real-life performance matters but also in real-life the performance dropped with latest firmware.
So if Oppo finds a way to fix the performance and battery drain with next update I'm cool.
Other small glitches on software side I can live with ( or solutions can be found )

Yeah, OneUI is almost perfect. Very customizable, especially with good lock.
Performance (s10+) wasn't that great though. My wife's s20 is still very choppy with 120hz activated.
And the fingerprint scanner on the s10 and s20 are terrible.
Oh, they should also start improving charge speeds! I can never go back to a 25W charger!

Seems a lot of mixed scores hear are my results Antutu 9.0.5

patensas said:
I miss the OneUI from Samsung devices and only reason I switched was the bad Exynos chip.
I miss the feeling I've got from the FX2Pro and the fact it did feel a bit more polished compared tot the FX3Pro
However I'll stick with the FX3Pro for a while to see what Oppo can do for us with firmware updates. As mentioned the latest firmware crippled my device when it comes to battery and performance, hoping they will fix this.
With previous firmware my device scored over 800000 point running Antutu 9, the latest firmware somewhere between 650 and 700000
Now I know benchmarks don't mean **** and real-life performance matters but also in real-life the performance dropped with latest firmware.
So if Oppo finds a way to fix the performance and battery drain with next update I'm cool.
Other small glitches on software side I can live with ( or solutions can be found )
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Hey, may I know how the FX3 pro fares currently?
Planning to buy one or wait for the reno7pro/s21fe. Wanna move away from Xiaomi now. The 1+ 9pro does not have certain 5g bands i need

I am going to return it too in the end..battery life isn't that great and no root etc. Zoom pics not so sharp. But the other alternative is s21exynos but I doubt with fine tuning will go worse than my actual immortal s10 For the high temp I usually downcloak from kernel ..so i think it will be ok.
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