Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
I think the main difference is the camera and the second screen on the rear. I can't see any reason to get any of the two coming from an S21 ultra
If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.
Well
jericho246 said:
If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.
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Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?
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Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?
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If you dont care about photography but you want a top phone buy the Mi 11 Pro not the Mi 11, it's almost the same than the Ultra but cheaper, Ultra is a bit more elitist and unique but the Pro is almost the same phone for around $200+ cheaper.
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Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra.....
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I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
s3axel said:
I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.
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Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I would probably keep the s21 ultra since the investment is already made
There is not much measurable improvements in the mi 11 ultra you will notice and the regular mi 11 would be a step down in almost every aspect except maybe charging speed which is partially negated by having a smaller battery size and worse cooling
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I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.
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Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences
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Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences
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They really dropped the ball using usb2 on this phone , especially the 512gb version
Whatever they saved was likely pennies
i haven't held a sammy since the s8, i do not like the UI and while miui took some getting used to after my mate 20 pro i have come around and it's pretty slick. i'm not sure if it's android 11 or miui, but the app permissions thing is kinda killing me. the pics and video on the m11 ultra are pretty awesome, i've gotten compliments from iphone 12maxpro users...wow how do you take so much better pictures...lol
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I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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But s21 have a lot of Updates about camera. Its 1y phone almost.
Mi11u with time will be better after few Updates.
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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The Chinese Price is the only one I would pay for a xiaomi and that's the 12/512
lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I haven't used the Mi 11, but I have used the S21 Ultra and the Mi 11 Ultra is easily on par with the S21 Ultra.
kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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That's regional.....
kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.
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Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.
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Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam
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Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam
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I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!
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I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!
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SD over Exynos
Regardless of price!
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So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?
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So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?
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If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).
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If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).
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Yes, Ideally this would be true but I think the next gen of high end SD chips are gonna be more expensive and power hungry due to uneeded 5g. a lot of mid range well priced phones from Xaoimi will be having mid range chips like 765.
I actually think there is a good case to skip the next gen of chips because they are mainly for 5g which most users in the world dont need
I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.
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I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.
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What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I did upgrade from Huawei p20 pro
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What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I just was with Poco F1. And it was a very good experience with it and said that I will no longer get other than Xiaomi ?
Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:
Duncan1982 said:
Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:
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Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?
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Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?
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They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.
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Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.
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ColorOS runs just fine in terms of performance, it's just a bit disorganized, Cameras they are perfectly fine in good light, but I'd say they do struggle and the Samsung made GW1 64mgp sensor isn't great, but the price you can let the cam be the way it is, it's not shockingly poor, it's just average and the price point for everything else made it a great purchase for me.
Here is a pic in low light, (Curtains closed, no natural light) Stock Camera (using nighscape)
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What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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The camera is great people just don't know how to shoot proper pictures
Made with 64mp mode
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Made with 64mp mode
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I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS
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I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS
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OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app
natedogg20050 said:
OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app
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Huawei are very good for low light so I would never expect the X2 pro to compare.What about updates ?
I believe the phone will receive support for Android 10 and 11. Updates every two months with security patch and a big update soon to colorOS 7,
Have you received timely updates as yet ?
Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.
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Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.
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Thanks for the input,I looked at many reviews and comparisons over the last while and have concluded that the X2 pro is the best and most interesting deal out there.I am now bored with my 6T and wanted a change so this morning on Christmas I have just ordered my X2 pro 12/256 model in blue from Amazon Spain to receive it next week.
In regards to camera,most if not all the reviews I have looked at are positive. Ive seen that they have improved camera quality in recent updates also , particularly with low light shots.
I think people who do criticise are only nitpicking generally that a particular color may not be exactly the same as it is real life or stupid little things like that. The camera from what I've seen is excellent for the price including everything else.
Excited to use a phone with 12gb ram also,as I've only ever had 6 at most,90hz should be fun too and the little features of ColorOs.
Merry Christmas everyone.
I still cannot decide between OnePlus 7T and Realme X2 Pro. Coming from a really clean Moto G4+ experience and being kind of a power user (not gaming wise but regarding usage time & used features), I'm a little afraid that Color OS maybe couldn't deliver my wished quality. And video OIS and night capabilities of the 7T camera seems to be much better considering many YouTube comparisons.
On the other hand Realme offers super fast charging, interesting software features (three finger screenshot crop and all this nice little things) for a much lower price tag.
Hey guys!
I hope I'm in the right place to post/ask this. But I honestly don't know any better place to go to.
At the moment I am to decide between the Mi 8 (6/64GB) for 170 € and the Mi 9 Lite (6/128 GB) for 200 €.
I already ordered, received and set up the Mi8 and the good price for the Mi 9 Lite just appeared recently.
The Mi 8 definitely has a better performance due to the SD845 (vs SD710) and has WiFi MiMO, an OIS, as well as apt-X and costs 30 € less (at least for me). Likely due to its release date there also are way more ROMs and Mods available for the Mi8 already.
Mi 9 Lite on the other hand supports LTE Band28 (which will become more and more important in Germany), has better camera sensors, a bigger battery, an infrared blaster, SD card support, a drop notch, an audio jack and, well, in-screen fingerprint (which I guess is nice but not that important) and it was released about 1 year later which could lead to longer software support.
So there's very much points arguing for the Mi 9 Lite. But:
Does the premium SoC of the Mi 8 guarantee more updates over time then the Mi 9 lite?
Is the camera of the Mi 9 Lite really better than on the Mi 8 as OIS is missing?
Is the in-screen fingerprint more imprecise than fingerprint on the back?
Could apt-X also be applied to the Mi 9 Lite? (one day I read about it being implemented in LOS by default)
Thanks in advance for your help and opinions on this question.
Kind Regards,
Seyron
Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)
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Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)
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Thank you very much for your fast answer!
Referring to this post the Mi8 also comes with an Samsung AMOLED, though I can't find much other reliable information elsewhere that would support this statement. Phonearena seems to be the only specs listing website that states it, too, as being produced by Samsung. However it's my first AMOLED device and I therefore can't compare to others. I've declared to myself that my next phone definitely would be one for under 200 € and would have to come with an AMOLED screen, which now, thanks to the special offer for the Mi 9 Lite, is met by both devices.
Yeah the battery point is a powerful one. I get 1.5 days of battery lifetime at most with low usage while I got almost 3 days out of my Redmi Note 4 when I didn't use it much.
Also B-S-G - afaik the most popular developer for GCam ports - is developing the GCam specifically for the Mi8 (among other devices) which almost guarantees a most recent and working GCam version for it. But I only can tell that the image quality is way better than it was on my Redmi Note 4, which on the other side just would be very devastating if it wasn't.
It'd also be worth mentioning that due to the different vendors I'd have 2 years warranty for the Mi 8 (Amazon) but none to a maximum of one year for the Mi 9 Lite (Banggood).
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9065&idPhone2=9862
mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.
what I can tell you about Mi 9 lite is : the screen is top , fingerprint on screen ( no need to turn your phone when on desk ) battery is xxl , microSD port , Irda port ( tv remote ) I use Nova rather than miui launcher and this phone is nearly perfect for what I do.
hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
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I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.
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As I pointed out I already compared both phones myself using gsmarena and just summarized the main differences upon which I wasn't able to make a decision.
kesc said:
mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.
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Thanks for your input! I have to say that just recently a colleague ordered and received his Mi 9 Lite and the In-Screen-Fingerprint seems to be quite fast and accurate at first glance.
Camera on the Mi 8 using GCam is amazing. Especially when compared to my old Redmi Note 4.
And as this is my first Amoled it also looks amazing, but I have no comparison.
I also face sudden SystemUI reboots on HavocOS on my Mi8 about once every two to three days.
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hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
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Wow! Thank you so much for your efforts taking time to write such an detailed and honest opinion.
Talking about the Pixel Experience ROM I took a look into that and counting from release date of the Mi 8 it took about 6 months for a stable and official build to be released (May 2018 -> 25th Nov 2018).
Depending on the Mi 9 lite being released in Sep 2019 one could give it 2-3 months from now on compared to the time it took the Mi 8 to get some Official ROM support. As far as I can see the first unofficial custom ROMS for the Mi8 dropped in Oct 2018 which is 5 months after release whereas the first unofficial LOS build appeared just recently for the Mi 9 Lite. Therefore it only took the Mi 9 Lite 4 months to receive its first unofficial LOS build. So it looks like the support and development isn't that bad.
But yet it's still hard to tell how much (xda community) popularity the phone could get in the near future.
For me the battery life is one of the most convincing reason to buy. It was so satisfying to reach up to 3 days with my Redmi Note 4 without having to charge it once. I know this depends on usage but I always got at least 2 days if I wasn't at home gaming on the phone all the day.
Oh and yeah - you name it - the feeling of the vibration motor is so smooth and from the first moment on gives a so much more premium feeling than I experienced with the one in my Redmi Note 4. And yes the fingerprint scanner on the mi 8 is very fast and accurate.
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I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.
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Interesting point. But isn't this just depending on the ROM/software or is this a hardware issue?
I already somehow adapted to the forehead notch. I found it quite ugly the first to days. And it still is. The teardrop notch definitely is way more attractive. I guess it's missing the IR front camera, though (not that it would be that important/useful). And are the speaker, proximity sensor as well as light sensor positioned under the Amoled somewhere?
As the title says, i'm looking to get a new Phone and can't really decide.
I'm getting the non-5G version in Germany, so for the S20, Exynos it is. I have the S10e now and never had major issues with that Exynos, so it's not really a downside for me.
I've had Xiaomi phones in the past and neither MIUI nor OneUI bother me.
It basically comes down to: I've had better luck with unlocking xiaomi phones (and this still seems to be true now), but the Samsung offers AMOLED. Both are high refreshrate. I don't care for cameras too much.
The xiaomi will be marginally cheaper (not by much). I just need a large phone to replace my S10e now and it really seems to be a toss up in this case. What would you choose? Maybe had experience with either of the phones?
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As the title says, i'm looking to get a new Phone and can't really decide.
I'm getting the non-5G version in Germany, so for the S20, Exynos it is. I have the S10e now and never had major issues with that Exynos, so it's not really a downside for me.
I've had Xiaomi phones in the past and neither MIUI nor OneUI bother me.
It basically comes down to: I've had better luck with unlocking xiaomi phones (and this still seems to be true now), but the Samsung offers AMOLED. Both are high refreshrate. I don't care for cameras too much.
The xiaomi will be marginally cheaper (not by much). I just need a large phone to replace my S10e now and it really seems to be a toss up in this case. What would you choose? Maybe had experience with either of the phones?
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You basically answered your question. If you don't mind too much about exynos and the difference in price is minimal, pick the S20 FE. You'll have the AMOLED and some extras like, IP68, Samsung PAY, DEX, and others.
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You basically answered your question. If you don't mind too much about exynos and the difference in price is minimal, pick the S20 FE. You'll have the AMOLED and some extras like, IP68, Samsung PAY, DEX, and others.
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Yeah wasn't sure how big the Exynos "penalty" was this generation. Seems Standby drain is higher from what i gathered. You're probably right as the screen is the most important thing on a phone. Since we're charging every day anyways...
I liked that the Mi10T is a bit bigger but i guess that's only noticable in direct comparison.
People really overestimate online on how much the exynos is behind of snapdragon. By notebookcheck's benches, it's barely -10% slower, but people also forget the 5G SD version is up to 150€ more expensive in some places, so you end up paying over 20% more for 10% performance.
Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra??
If you REALLY miss the Note range with integral S-Pen slot then yes, maybe, and depending on price you can get selling your S21 Ultra
For all other reasons, NO the S22U is an S21U with an S-Pen slot and very few enhancements or upgrades over the 2021 models.
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Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra??
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S22 ultra doesn't seem like a huge upgrade over the S21U. If an integrated S-Pen is an absolute must-have for you, then by all means get the new phone. But other than that, I don't see a compelling reason to buy one. The S21 Ultra is still an amazing phone even after a year. And honestly speaking, the design is so iconic, I would choose this over the S22U design anyday (based on all the leaks). But that is a highly subjective matter, so it's upto the buyer. If you can afford it and justify it, go for it. Life is short, do the things you enjoy
Not sure if it's worth but trying to beat the boredom of "life in the time of Covid" I went ahead with the reservation, aiming for the 'ultra'.
Hey, it's not a marriage - I can still send it back if I don't fall in love with it on the first sight.
I know the specs aren't that much better then the S21 ultra, but the s range has always been way cheaper in south africa then the note, so I would like to have the s pen, but it all depends on the price on contract
No, I won't be upgrading. First off there are very few improvements, nothing is innovative. Secondly there have been numerous problems in producing the Exynos/AMD SoC. Thirdly it will ship with Android 12 which to date is still plagued with numerous bugs. The S21 works much better on Android 11.
it happens to almost all phones.
i still own s10 plus, works perfectly
I also get the s21 ultra
tempteing to get s-pen th0
dezborders said:
If you REALLY miss the Note range with integral S-Pen slot then yes, maybe, and depending on price you can get selling your S21 Ultra
For all other reasons, NO the S22U is an S21U with an S-Pen slot and very few enhancements or upgrades over the 2021 models.
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Samsung is generous with trade-in, plus if you resever now, you save 50!
In south africa there is no trade in deals... Just the normal carrier deals... So, hopefully it won't be too expensive
Tbh I don't think it worth upgrading to the S22 Ultra, it's got to the point now where any improvements are only minor even the camera on the S22 Ultra will only be slightly better than the S21 Ultra, plus i wouldn't be surprised once One UI 4.1 hits the S21 Ultra these improvements are brought down from the S22 Ultra.
I've had my S21 Ultra since last July this has been hands down best phone I've ever owned from Samsung, & i've had practically most of the S range & Note's over the years, the only downside to keeping the S21 Ultra really will be waiting slightly longer for updates once the S22 series has launched.
So I'm going to keep enjoying my S21 Ultra until the S23 Ultra next year.
Will see how it goes and what offers and trade ins are available. I have always been an S series user but loved the Spen support on the Ultra. It is a beast and having got the 512gb 16gb ram I could run it another year or so without any hiccups given that I haven't used it to its full pontential due to Covid.
Only thing I am worried with the S22 Ultra is the 45 Fast Charging and the Crammed 5000mah battery which although welcome I am afraid it might have those 'burst into flames' issues samsung had and how the new amd graphics might come with its own issues with Android 12.
No doubt it will have even a more Awesome battery life compared to the S21 Ultra and better Spen support with bluetooth and stuff. I am sure with the New Expert Raw and the Spen Bluetooth functionality they will promote it as a mobile Photographers Dream phone not to mention the ease of editing with the Spen.
Have my options open and will see how it pans out.
Wouldnt want to be a guinea pig for SD 8 Gen1. New and unproven soc.
For S21 Ultra users, the trade in deal needs to be great, otherwise it is not worth the upgrade, simple as that imo
Thanks for everybody given their input....
New camera sensor for even more light/detail
New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
S-Pen with higher latency and accuracy than previous
Best screen on market with even more brightness
And hopefully flat display instead of waterfall wasteful curved screen (fingers crossed on this)
Pls upgrade is free to me, so it's a 'hell yeah' from me.
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New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
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Samsung is generous with trade-in, plus if you resever now, you save 50!
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In the USA yes Samsung is ultra generous with trade-in. In UK not so much ...
Outside of US, ebay and FB Marketplace selling prices are much higher than trade in.
lywyn said:
New camera sensor for even more light/detail
New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
S-Pen with higher latency and accuracy than previous
Best screen on market with even more brightness
And hopefully flat display instead of waterfall wasteful curved screen (fingers crossed on this)
Pls upgrade is free to me, so it's a 'hell yeah' from me.
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"New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available"
Samsung has experienced numerous production issues with the Exynos 2200 SoC. Out of an entire wafer only a few chipsets are functional. Raytracing is misleading since there are currently no apps capable of raytracing integration on smartphones. In Geekbench 5 tests the Exynos/AMD 2200 was out performed not only by the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 but the Snapdragon 888 also. There may be a few good reasons to buy an S22 but hoping for a better SoC isn't one of them.
Exynos 2200 is even weaker than the Snapdragon 888
Exynos 2200 is even weaker than the Snapdragon 888. The new flagship chipset Samsung lost to all competitors.
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For S21 Ultra users, the trade in deal needs to be great, otherwise it is not worth the upgrade, simple as that imo
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It will probably be enough for the lower end ripoff 8GB version IF they do a trade-in
termdj said:
Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra
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Here's how it's going to sound...you would have read all the views here and it's mostly a no to the upgrade. But, this thread was a validation for your already made up mind to go ahead with the S22U. Comrade...don't sweat it...if your heart says goes for it..and you have the means for it...go ahead enjoy! As @enigmaamit said here... life's short..enjoy it to the fullest...Go ahead...take the leap of faith...
I am definitely looking forward to the S-Pen being built in. I do a lot of photo editing using my fat fingers so having the pressure-sensitive pen will save me a lot of "undo/redo" time.
The latest "leaked images" show the screen flatter without the curved edges and I like that clean look. I can upgrade for free with my network so I am ready to leap!
Hi.
Anybody have any idea when one Ui 5.1 will drop officially for the S21 series?
I am holding on to my S21 ultra as I feel most of the features of the S23 ultra are software based and so don't feel the need to upgrade.
2 years from preorder and its still a solid phone.
Also samsung haven't sorted out the shutter lag it seems on the S23 Ultra.
For photos it seems to have moved to more vibrant and hdrish photos for the S23 series as compared to the s21 series.
What do you guys think
S21U is definitely a solid phone.
5.1 is nothing to be very excited about. There is no life changing features to wait for. The current software in my opinion is good enough for everyday use. Camera is still as excellent as it was, maybe even better.
Battery life has decreased a little but not by much. There's no particular reason why I would ever change device.
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S21U is definitely a solid phone.
5.1 is nothing to be very excited about. There is no life changing features to wait for. The current software in my opinion is good enough for everyday use. Camera is still as excellent as it was, maybe even better.
Battery life has decreased a little but not by much. There's no particular reason why I would ever change device.
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I feel at least 60% of the S23 ultra show off is due to one ui 5.1 and software optimisation.
Especially with the camera via Expert raw .
If you compare the s21 ultra photos to the S23 ultras the s23 ultra tends to lean towards more vibrant and hdrish photos compared to the s21 ultras muted photos.