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Hello,
I am having another annoyance with my Tilt. The camera is damn slow. First the on-screen rate is stop-motion like, then the auto focus button takes 2-3 seconds to focus, and finally the photo takes a few seconds more to capture. B that time, the photo opportunity is gone, or I just have a blurry picture.
The 8525 was much faster...
Any ideas? Thanks!
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
Well if the picture is blurry, but has great focus....what's the point? lol
Honestly, after spending a few hours tinkering with this phone, the 8125 --> 8525 was a much larger, more needed upgrade. The 8525 did have some caveats, which I was hoping they would fix, but they seemed to just get worse. For example, screen rotation is simply slower on WM6 than it was on WM5. I want a PDA that has Windows capabilities, but without the hiccups that Mobile exhibits. I was hoping the 8925 would be the solution, but I guess I will have to wait another year for a true converged device. Such a shame that a very well made device has to be crippled by a poor operating system. Not saying it's horrific, but definitely could be a lot better.
i've notice the blurry thing...but once you get use to holding it steady the pics come out amazing.
One thing I have found that helps is to use the Camera button to take pictures - You can press the Camera button half way down and let it focus, then press it the rest of the way down to actually take the picture when you want to snap. Doesn't help the whole 'catch it right then' situation, but it does help some...
Thats one of the bugbears with this new phone is the time it takes to snap a pic I know its more a phone than a digital camera but why put a 3mpix camera in there if its not meant to at least equal old digital cameras (casio, olympus, fuji etc etc). I like the extra features of it but not at the expense of it taking 5-6 seconds for people or things to stand perfectly still in order to get that pic
Russ
I have found that the greater the amount of light the quicker it takes pictures.
maryjos said:
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
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My 2 megapixel SE K750i from YEARS ago (I had it two years ago as an import phone) had no issues with it's autofocus lens. It also took much better photos.
The camera app is pitifully slow. I've tried shooting a lower res or lower quality and that doesn't change the on-screen display, and yeah the autofocus is crazy slow. I guess we should look to HTC for advice, as it's their camera app.
Yah it's a bummer that it's not that fast, but the phone really is a powerhouse of applications. If this thing was running WM2003 on this processor it would be blindingly fast, but with any power loss, the data would be gone. So far speed is the price we pay to have a device that you can pull the battery out of and not lose any data... When I use my HP hx4700 VGA PPC running 2003, it still blows me away how fast they used to be before this new "persistant storage" feature. I don't know if this would help the camera specifically, but I wonder.
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
JBHorne said:
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
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Agree completely, I had high hopes, the 3MP autofocus sure looked good on paper, but now I just miss the flashlight
i heard that it's because of the software, i think paul from modacco said that cameraware is much better (and i THINK he said that it was faster to take pictures).
Can anyone test this out?
...nice tip
As mentioned in another post. If you turn off the "shutter sound" it seems to respond faster. I've tested and it seems to work form me.
I have also noticed that when I push the OFF button and then turn it back on the camera is much much better.
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I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
I have a Nokia 6300 2MP camera phone and it's pics are sharper and better with no blurriness whatsoever.
Even the old Wizard I have is better
This isn't an issue of me having an unsteady hand either, I've been an amateur photographer for many years and have no probs using my old ancient SLRs or new DSLRs, even when snapping with a camera in each hand.
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I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
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The lens protector on the battery cover may be scratched or worn (mine is). I get much clearer photos when I take the battery cover off. Other posts describe using certain polishes to restore a clear lens protector.
That's what I get for keeping the phone in my pocket.
I remember reading a post about the fps when taking video. I use the fix when taking regular pictures too, because it appears to speed up the viewfinder as well.
fix:
1. Cover the top half of the phone (where the lens is) with your hand, to decrease the light available.
2. Press the power button to put your device into sleep mode, or whatever it is that they call it.
3. Without moving your hand, press the power button again to wake up the device. This appears to cause the camera software to reinitialize with decreased light settings.
Yeah, it sucks, and yeah, I miss my Tytn camera and led light. Hope this helps!
Hi,
Something I've tried to to find the answer to, but so far have been unable to do so - the camera performance has always been terrible on my tytn2. I've tried a range of different roms, but none have made any difference to the camera.
My understanding is that it is important to have a radio that works with the rom you are using, but can I get better camera performance by using a different radio?
Currently I am using "07/10[Super Ram][CHOME][Manilla] Josh's Kaiser Roms+Kitchen "21929 Hybrid Light" - a great rom, and my radio is 1.65.16.25.
I would really appreciate it if anyone can give me any pointers with this or otherwise help me get better camera performance (the tytn2 is an amazing phone, the camera is the only problem I have with it).
Cheers
Moved as not ROM Development...
The camera is just whack anyway unless in ideal light situations.
Typically the camera will either work or not work at all depending on the Radio, unfortunately the Kaiser's camera (and all cellphone cameras in general) is not the greatest in low light so you are pretty much stuck with what you got.
Thanks for the responses. It's not so much the camera performance in terms of picture quality, but the terrible lag when taking pictures - there is a two second or more delay between pressing the camera button and the picture taking. This always results in pictures that are extremely blurred.
Turn off the full press and also the shutter noise...
I tried everything possible with my tytn to improve camera , however it was all pointless since it could not be done.
Well not quite. In my frustration with a few things which aren't perfect in Shifu's latest ROM (hey, it's pretty darn nice for the most part, even M2D is running well for the first time in my experience of over 20 WM6.5 ROM versions, mostly on the Elfin, 3 on this Kaiser), I did some searching for a camera video frame rate solution. Found one. I've already forgotten the link (since reading it this afternoon), but it's so simple there's no need to go looking. Here's the procedure. Works in any lower light situation, as in not broad daylight. Haven't test it it outside in daylight yet, but it might even work there, will find out tomorrow.
1) Open camera application.
2) Put hand over lens to create a black screen.
3) Turn off power. (This part is a bit of a stumbling block for those with slide to unlock or a password active - have to have those turned off for this to work.)
4) Keep the hand (or whatever, doesn't matter so long as it blocks light) over the lens for at least a second.
5) Take off the hand.
6) Press the power button again.
7) Start shooting when you like.
8) Enjoy what looks like 30fps video, much improved autofocus and shutter response times, and unfortunately, darker images. So still not a great low-light camera, but indoors in average conditions or even somewhat dim light it's not bad at all for a phone camera. Took me a few tries to nail down the procedure and be able to reproduce the effect every time, but five minute's practice at most.
Apparently the vast improvement in frame rate and general responsiveness globally in the camera's operation and settings dialogues is over-ridden if one points the camera at a light source or brighter reflective objects. I find it stays stable during a session even if I point it directly at a 20W halogen light from 6 feet away, but your mileage may vary.
Another tip would be to avoid the double-take of the autofocus algorithm. Bloody thing focuses on a half-press, then focuses all over again, blurring out then returning to sharpness, on full shutter press. So either go to half-press shooting, or use the D-pad centre button to shoot pictures and videos, as this is a single-stage switch.
In my case, running Shifu's latest ROM from December and his recommended radio, and just this evening flashing Kaiser-HardSPL-3.56, I find the video frame rate to be about 2 to 3 frames per second without this trick, and well above 20fps with the trick. Awesome. A little bit irritating too, having to do this silly little button sequence thing, but it's better than having to go hunting for my 'real' camera when a video opportunity presents itself and the Kaiser will take less than 10 seconds to get ready, and getting the proper camera will take over a minute of walking and digging and powering on... As has so often been said in web discussions of phone cameras, it's not so much the quality of your best camera that's important in everyday use, it's whether you have a working camera with you that counts. And this little trick makes the camera I ALWAYS have with me a whole lot more usable.
Now, if only there were a way to get Resco Audio Recorder to make clear 2-sided recordings of my calls. Worked like a dream on the HTC Touch Elfin. All I hear is remote, static-distorted voices with this Kaiser. Seems from discussions that this is a hardware limitation. Hope not. And it'd be nice too if the device weren't cranky about my 8GB microSD. Seems a tad unstable at times. Same for considerable numbers of other users, so maybe another hardware limitation? Hope it's drivers, and that some genius presents an update.
GerardSamija,
Yeah that's an old trick but not perfect as tends to dim the light and when hit by a large light flips back to the slow fps another one is to remove the plastic cover on case covering lens.
I gave up using camera unless outside & it's the same issue on Touch Pro even with the built in flash "well light really"
2 Side Voice Recording on Kaiser **WORKS**
Thank you very much for that stylez. I'm reading through the pages of that thread, and while so far the latest CAB there hasn't quite made decent quality two-way recording for my Kaiser, it's considerably improved from what it was yesterday. Nice.
Trying the 'old' camera trick (sorry for re-publishing ancient news - I've only had this Kaiser a few days, so just getting caught up. On testing it this morning I found a number of tries didn't work at all. Not sure why. Then just now I tried it again and it worked fine, though delivering only about 15 to 20fps, not quite smooth. I did back to back tests without and then with the trick, and there was about a tripling of framerate from A to B. Guess I'll just have to keep practicing to get it down solid.
And I probably will remove part of the shielding over the camera lens, carefully. The lens in the body itself has a flat glass cover so no real risk of damage there, as it's recessed behind the battery cover. Occasional cleaning of dust is necessary anyway with a pocketable camera, so this just adds the step of slipping off the battery cover to do that. The phone I have was used for a few months, then left in an office drawer for over a year. Not a lot of wear, but obviously some fine scratching of the coating on the camera lens protective filter. Removing it will improve imaging, and the glass lens cover beneath is about the same as on my old HTC Elfin. That one has held up very well.
I hear windex helps.
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I hear windex helps.
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lol ya i gave up using the camera really, i know im just caring around a big brick, with the advantage that its touch screen and has a keyboard... otherwise its not used much for anything else, unfortunately there are a million other phones that would meet this basic need, though im not getting burned by HTC again or any other phone maker...
I'm getting better at the timing with tricking the camera into responding quickly for stills, and getting 15fps and better almost all the time. This afternoon was fairly sunny here, and I shot a few videos of my son at the playground. Checking them later on my Asus 901 they look quite good. And contrary to many comments saying pointing at bright light kills the effect, I was able to shoot almost directly into the sun without losing frame rate.
Oddly, VLC gives an audio codec cannot be found error. Guess I'm off for yet another codec hunt. Windows 7 has mostly been pretty solid in supporting things like that, but I guess VLC stands apart from the OS in terms of codecs.
Windex? Nah, bit of a rub with a shirt end is fine. It's not a camera for making museum grade images. It's convenient, when I don't want to carry a bulky HD camera with proper optics around with me.
Hey, i just bought the Z3 Compact The phone itself is very good, EXCEPT The camera! 20 mpx of what? The camera is so blurry and noisy. And you can see the pixels easy. This is so TERRIBLE i have to ask if there is anything wrong with it? I have had Android since it came out. This results are worse than what my HTC Magic did. A phone from 2008-09. I have tried different settings, no luck. Been like this from day one. So is there something wrong, or is this suppose to be the 20mpx camera? ...
Some examples, first pic is taken in daylight. You can see at the second is in darkness (Very noisy!) Front camera is even worse!!
Please get some help! I like the phone, but if the camera is suppose to be like this i'm switching it out immediately!
I'm new to Z3c too, my camera sucks in the first shots as well, but, so did my sister's, until suddenly, it got all well. I don't know how.
Well said about camera suddenly getting good.
My recommendation is don't use superior auto. Launch your camera from a shortcut and set it to manual and from that moment on it will always launch in manual mode, but not when you launch it with shutter key.
Once in manual mode, try my settings:
Exposure: one or two bars below value of 0
WB: auto
Resolution: 15,5 mpx
Focus mode: multiple autofocus (i think that's what it's called in english)
ISO: This is the most important setting. You can set it to 100 or even 50 to avoid noise and artifacts caused by heavy postprocessing by software. But, the lower the iso, darker the image will be. So on a sunny day it can be 50 od 100, On a cloudy day, a bit higher and in night photos 800.
Metering: multiple
Focusing: When you want to take photo, put object you want to take photo of in the middle and half press shutter button. When squares turn blue on places you want focused, keep shutter half pressed and you can then move your phone to left, right, up or down and not losing focus. That way you make your composition. When you think you have your scene set up, finally press the button all the way.
Once you set it up every time you launch camera by a shortcut it will launch in manual mode with settings remembered from last time you used camera so no need to fiddle with settings every time. Camera widget is very useful.
Avoid superior auto unless you're in complete darkness because in that case heavy postprocessing and very high iso that it always uses have to be made.
Superior auto uses very high iso values when not needed. High iso causes much noise on the photos, and sony software removes that noise and does it in a not so good way. That results in artifacts and 'flat' photos.
It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. I have SLR camera experience so it's natural to me. Once you practice half pressing, composition making and then taking photo people will wonder how can you make such photos. It's knowledge that you'll be able to use always in all cameras, phones and whatever.
I hope this helps and let me know if it does. I'm thinking about writing a camera tutorial with samples because not many people use the potential of it.
See my samples, they're only resized:
http://i.imgur.com/YF2fU8l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cP9SiO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1EFhzze.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/ptrBLVu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QbKBrdq.jpg
Well said ... The tutrial is good ... N m setting up these setting. It would be better to open a thread with tutrial about the camera setting n people help each other how we could get the good pictures. Thanks very much. :thumbup:
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Did you unlock your bootloader?
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Did you unlock your bootloader?
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lstic said:
Well said about camera suddenly getting good.
My recommendation is don't use superior auto. Launch your camera from a shortcut and set it to manual and from that moment on it will always launch in manual mode, but not when you launch it with shutter key.
Once in manual mode, try my settings:
Exposure: one or two bars below value of 0
WB: auto
Resolution: 15,5 mpx
Focus mode: multiple autofocus (i think that's what it's called in english)
ISO: This is the most important setting. You can set it to 100 or even 50 to avoid noise and artifacts caused by heavy postprocessing by software. But, the lower the iso, darker the image will be. So on a sunny day it can be 50 od 100, On a cloudy day, a bit higher and in night photos 800.
Metering: multiple
Focusing: When you want to take photo, put object you want to take photo of in the middle and half press shutter button. When squares turn blue on places you want focused, keep shutter half pressed and you can then move your phone to left, right, up or down and not losing focus. That way you make your composition. When you think you have your scene set up, finally press the button all the way.
Once you set it up every time you launch camera by a shortcut it will launch in manual mode with settings remembered from last time you used camera so no need to fiddle with settings every time. Camera widget is very useful.
Avoid superior auto unless you're in complete darkness because in that case heavy postprocessing and very high iso that it always uses have to be made.
Superior auto uses very high iso values when not needed. High iso causes much noise on the photos, and sony software removes that noise and does it in a not so good way. That results in artifacts and 'flat' photos.
It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. I have SLR camera experience so it's natural to me. Once you practice half pressing, composition making and then taking photo people will wonder how can you make such photos. It's knowledge that you'll be able to use always in all cameras, phones and whatever.
I hope this helps and let me know if it does. I'm thinking about writing a camera tutorial with samples because not many people use the potential of it.
See my samples, they're only resized:
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Thank you for a good answer. Some of the shots is amazing! Still, i can see them getting a little blurry. Also i think that if you can't choose auto and take decent photo when you are in a hurry it's actually a struggle. If you always have to set your ISO etc. Then i would rather bring my DSLR with me instead! Here are some examples from my previous phone. The S3. I set HDR on. Nothing more! Nice and easy.
I'm not saying this shots is amazing, but i just found it to be better overall than the Compact. This also have 12mpx less! Newer Samsungs have a pretty decent camera! So my questions is now, what other phone would you guys recommend? I was quite happy with my Samsung til it got slow and the battery drained out easily. I'm also happy with Sony, apart from the camera.
It's not unlocked.
Have you tried to use Google Camera? I think these crappy denoising algorithms won't be used in it. It lacks advanced options but if you just want to make nice photos with 'auto' i think it might be good enough.
Manual mode, much better photos than superior auto.
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Thank you for a good answer. Some of the shots is amazing! Still, i can see them getting a little blurry. Also i think that if you can't choose auto and take decent photo when you are in a hurry it's actually a struggle. If you always have to set your ISO etc. Then i would rather bring my DSLR with me instead! Here are some examples from my previous phone. The S3. I set HDR on. Nothing more! Nice and easy.
I'm not saying this shots is amazing, but i just found it to be better overall than the Compact. This also have 12mpx less! Newer Samsungs have a pretty decent camera! So my questions is now, what other phone would you guys recommend? I was quite happy with my Samsung til it got slow and the battery drained out easily. I'm also happy with Sony, apart from the camera.
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Well, it's true that auto mode is not good. I had an Xperia P before this one and never had any issues with the camera. It had 8 mpx of amazing quality camera on the daylight at least.
But as I said, once you set your manual mode, you almost never have to fiddle around with it. At least I don't. I set iso to 100 and when it's daylight i start camera by shortcut, and on night time i start it by shutter key.
Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed that lollipop will fix all that, because it's software issue only if you ask me.
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Well, it's true that auto mode is not good. I had an Xperia P before this one and never had any issues with the camera. It had 8 mpx of amazing quality camera on the daylight at least.
But as I said, once you set your manual mode, you almost never have to fiddle around with it. At least I don't. I set iso to 100 and when it's daylight i start camera by shortcut, and on night time i start it by shutter key.
Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed that lollipop will fix all that, because it's software issue only if you ask me.
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Tried today with your settings. Works better, so thanks! Still very blurry, but not as bad like it was. Why haven't anyone mentioned something about the camera before? Since allot of you are experiencing it? Hope Sony will release an update soon because this isn't OK at all! The colors and details are pretty decent. It just becomes blurry and not sharp enough. and why can't we turn on HDR?
Everybody has mentioned it. It's the third most talked about thing with this phone after root and battery.
Apart from the low light algorithms the camera is pretty ****.
Like the others I hope L will fix it. Until then i just use camera fv5. It even uses the hardware button so it's cool. And much better pics
HDR only works in 8MPx mode. Can't turn in on in 15.5/20MPx mode. And it's not THAT great actually. Wise exposure helps more than the HDR.
Also, you could maybe try the Camera FV-5, which has a ton of settings and also RAW capturing abilities, if you'd like to postprocess the images on your own. But I doubt anyone is doing this and taking it somehow seriously.
You have to play around a lot with the camera, bringing down exposure as suggested is a great start. I left the size at 8MPx, and also played around with some scenes (useful in the night) or lowlight, you sacrify motion blur from long exposure time for more noise, but that's how it works in photography.
The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
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Tried today with your settings. Works better, so thanks! Still very blurry, but not as bad like it was. Why haven't anyone mentioned something about the camera before? Since allot of you are experiencing it? Hope Sony will release an update soon because this isn't OK at all! The colors and details are pretty decent. It just becomes blurry and not sharp enough. and why can't we turn on HDR?
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The pictures you posted before from the S3 really aren't better then the Z3C. Why no mentioned anything about the camera before? I'd relay the question back at you, why haven't you looked up the forum, because there are really PLENTY of topics regarding the camera. So the only thing I can conclude is that you didn't even check the forum. Even the blurry pictures have been mentioned before. Like someone above mentioned, try Camera FV-5 or any other ap. I use Camera FV-5 myself and I'm really happy with it, even with an unlocked BL. Check out the topic I created (in my signature) and you'll find plenty of pictures from the phone. It can really make some great pictures, but as you said before when you don't have a lot of time to make a picture, to change settings it can really be a bich to work with.
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HDR only works in 8MPx mode. Can't turn in on in 15.5/20MPx mode. And it's not THAT great actually. Wise exposure helps more than the HDR.
Also, you could maybe try the Camera FV-5, which has a ton of settings and also RAW capturing abilities, if you'd like to postprocess the images on your own. But I doubt anyone is doing this and taking it somehow seriously.
You have to play around a lot with the camera, bringing down exposure as suggested is a great start. I left the size at 8MPx, and also played around with some scenes (useful in the night) or lowlight, you sacrify motion blur from long exposure time for more noise, but that's how it works in photography.
The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
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Ok, i actually just want something nice and easy. When i take pictures with my phone i don't want to try a bunch of settings for the camera to take a decent shot. and doing this in sunlight for example when you can't see the screen at all? Instead of just pressing the camera button..Actually the superior Auto is so bad i can't even describe it. I got some OK settings now, but far from good. Of course if you play around with the settings any camera can be good, the thing that you have to do that tells me it's rubbish! Then what's the point? I could rather bring my DSLR. I would be able to take better pictures, without a hassle. For me a good camera is very important, that's one of the reason i brought it. And can you really defend a 20mpx camera from 2014 that can't even take a clear shot on a sunny day with perfect light in Auto mode?
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The pictures you posted before from the S3 really aren't better then the Z3C. Why no mentioned anything about the camera before? I'd relay the question back at you, why haven't you looked up the forum, because there are really PLENTY of topics regarding the camera. So the only thing I can conclude is that you didn't even check the forum. Even the blurry pictures have been mentioned before. Like someone above mentioned, try Camera FV-5 or any other ap. I use Camera FV-5 myself and I'm really happy with it, even with an unlocked BL. Check out the topic I created (in my signature) and you'll find plenty of pictures from the phone. It can really make some great pictures, but as you said before when you don't have a lot of time to make a picture, to change settings it can really be a bich to work with.
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I have actually seen your photos, i did go through allot of camera samples before i brought it. Little did i know that the camera was useless in auto mode. I know the shots with my Samsung isn't that good but still, this is shot in Auto mode. The first picture has HDR but nothing more. If you compare that to what i did with my Sony it's WAY better. Because as i said, if i want to take some amazing shots i will use my DSLR instead. And when i'm not having it on me i want a decent photo, but i just can't get that with the Compact.
And the S3 has 8mpx, the Compact got 20.
I changed the settings on my Compact, still blurry and un-sharp.
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I have actually seen your photos, i did go through allot of camera samples before i brought it. Little did i know that the camera was useless in auto mode. I know the shots with my Samsung isn't that good but still, this is shot in Auto mode. The first picture has HDR but nothing more. If you compare that to what i did with my Sony it's WAY better. Because as i said, if i want to take some amazing shots i will use my DSLR instead. And when i'm not having it on me i want a decent photo, but i just can't get that with the Compact.
And the S3 has 8mpx, the Compact got 20.
I changed the settings on my Compact, still blurry and un-sharp.
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Sorry to say, but you've most obviously been too lazy to use the search function and you have even ignored the automatic search results while writing the title of this thread. Having said that, in the beginning you wrote about picture noise and that they come out blurred. Ok, but now you claim they're even unsharp. Sorry, that's definitely not a problem of the phone, at least you'd have the first sample with such an issue...
Regardless, please refrain from cluttering the forum by opening threads on topics that are already being *extensively* discussed. Thanks.
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wayne_sk said:
The camera is not bad, you just need to be patient with it, if you'd like to quickly snap perfect shots, this may not be the perfect device, however, if you use the camera wisely, it can deliver stunning photos for large prints.
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Definitely depends what you are photographing. At 20MP I've taken some impressive photos, for sure, but under closer scrutiny on a large monitor they don't look quite as good, and they fall apart almost instantly when post-processed. Sony's sharpening algorithms are far too aggressive so any high-contrast edges look almost posterized. Other aspects of jpeg processing also leave a lot to be desired, even at low ISO. In other words, Sony took a decent sensor and only lets us get mediocre results.
And, yes, auto mode is an absolute joke. I estimate about one in ten photos I've taken in auto are useable (many of them only after slapping on Instagram filters). I just wish I could start in manual using the shutter button. Still, I'm not expecting output from a camera phone to come anywhere close to a good compact camera let alone a DSLR, so in that sense I'm a little less miffed. But reliable auto mode is essential IMO since that's always gonna be the most used mode for quick Facebook/Twitter/Instagram update snaps, which is how 99% of people use camera phones. Epic fail from Sony on that count.
I am most annoyed at all the clueless tech reviewers who last fall declared this to be the best phone camera, on a par or better than the iPhone and S5. It's not. Not even close.
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I am most annoyed at all the clueless tech reviewers who last fall declared this to be the best phone camera, on a par or better than the iPhone and S5. It's not. Not even close.
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This. A million times this. How on earth did initial reviewers rave about the camera? My experience of its performance closely mirrors your own. Only a small percentage of all photos come out looking ok, even though I've messed around with wb, iso settings etc.
Same here, got my z3c yesterday and I am quite disappointed with camery quality. Images become really blurry, especially on a front facing camera. It is clear to me, that it's a software issue, because when I look at the screenm picture looks OK. But when the photo is shot, it becames blurry after pocessing. I used to have iPhone 5s before and it did amazing photos compared to sony's device.
And I also agree with an opinion that most people don't want to mess with camera settings on a mobile phone. We just want to quickly take a decent photo in an auto mode...
Hi, I am a long time Samsung Galaxy user, my last phone was the Galaxy S8+ i have just come to upgrade and thought I’d try the Huawei P30 Pro and seems it uses android as well, i thought it can't be much different. i have 14 days return and I’m really not sure if i am going to keep it or ask can i swap for an S10+
I don't know if i am just being biased because I’ve had Samsung for so long but i just hope someone here can persuade me keeping the P30 won't be too bad and that some of my issues are fixable.
I don't seem to be getting some notifications, mainly games, i seem to get texts but not always others, although if i turn my s8+ on, they still seem to be coming through on there. I have checked most settings i can find but can't see anything obvious, i have added the games to the app assistant.
I didn't know that this Huawei phone didn't have a notification LED, i guess it’s only a small thing but it's amazing how much you miss that flashing light, are there any ways to get any other screen notifications in some way?
The phone doesn't retain the Auto brightness setting when i restart the phone, I’m a bit confused by this as it would seem that Huawei may have this as a feature rather than a bug, I’ve read online that this is how these phones are set but surely you would want the setting to be retained how you leave it? is this a bug or here to stay? i keep turning auto off but every time i restart its back on!
The vibrate is extremely shallow to the point i hardly even feel it.
The optical zoom doesn't function if in 40mp resolution? what’s that all about, i tried it earlier and it says on it that it only works in 10mp resolution? the res you are in shouldn't stop the optics from moving should it? Also when set to 10mp and you can zoom, the zooming isn’t smooth in any way at all, it looks extremely jerky.
even though i have auto brightness off and also smart resolution set to off (which switches between low and high depending on what’s on the screen) - even though these are off i keep seeing my screen kind of flickering when i switch between something like a website to a picture etc, like the phone is still using the smart resolution. if i go to a website the white parts might be bright white for a split second then kind of flicker to a duller white.
I have only had the phone for 2 days but that’s is what is kind of bugging me a bit already if anyone can advise at all on any of them issues?
Thanks
James
About the "zoom", it's not an actual zoom and you are misunderstanding how it works. Having a look at the backside of the phone would explain some to you but i'll give it a go..
You got three lenses which equals three fixed focal lengths. This means you are simply jumping from one camera to the other when you perform a "zoom", which explains the jerkiness. It's expected behavior and is supposed to work like that since there is no gradual zoom with moving lense elements.
Each of these cameras have their own sensor which works at specific megapixels, there is no 40mpix sensor in all these three camera modules on the back of the device. The 5x tele lens has a 8mpix sensor. The ultrawide angle 16mm sensor is 20mpix and the main sensor is 40mpix which normally operates at 10mpix due to pixel binning.
The auto brightness is a long standing bug on Huawei devices, it's annoying and stupid i agree but it's there.
/ Magnus
Samsung has gone a step further on improving there software. Its really fluid and very user friendly. Huawei should focus on that aspect on there flagship.
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Samsung has gone a step further on improving there software. Its really fluid and very user friendly. Huawei should focus on that aspect on there flagship.
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One little thing I miss from my Galaxy S8+ was the coloured app notification icons on the Always On Display.
Was good for seeing where my notifications were from at-a-glance (blue for Messenger, red for YouTube, green for WhatsApp etc.).
Not having any of those problems with mine. In fact I'm ditching my Galaxy S10+ and keeping the P30 Pro. The fingerprint scanner on the Huawei is faster and more reliable than the one on the Samsung, the camera setup is far more versatile, battery life is better and I immediately stick Nova launcher on anyway so I don't have to put up with EMUI or One UI.
AntonyW999 said:
Not having any of those problems with mine. In fact I'm ditching my Galaxy S10+ and keeping the P30 Pro. The fingerprint scanner on the Huawei is faster and more reliable than the one on the Samsung, the camera setup is far more versatile, battery life is better and I immediately stick Nova launcher on anyway so I don't have to put up with EMUI or One UI.
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Nova is just the launcher. The system UI controls far more aspects than just the launcher. EMUI/One UI is everywhere.
james_lpool said:
Hi, I am a long time Samsung Galaxy user, my last phone was the Galaxy S8+ i have just come to upgrade and thought I’d try the Huawei P30 Pro and seems it uses android as well, i thought it can't be much different. i have 14 days return and I’m really not sure if i am going to keep it or ask can i swap for an S10+
I don't know if i am just being biased because I’ve had Samsung for so long but i just hope someone here can persuade me keeping the P30 won't be too bad and that some of my issues are fixable.
I don't seem to be getting some notifications, mainly games, i seem to get texts but not always others, although if i turn my s8+ on, they still seem to be coming through on there. I have checked most settings i can find but can't see anything obvious, i have added the games to the app assistant.
I didn't know that this Huawei phone didn't have a notification LED, i guess it’s only a small thing but it's amazing how much you miss that flashing light, are there any ways to get any other screen notifications in some way?
The phone doesn't retain the Auto brightness setting when i restart the phone, I’m a bit confused by this as it would seem that Huawei may have this as a feature rather than a bug, I’ve read online that this is how these phones are set but surely you would want the setting to be retained how you leave it? is this a bug or here to stay? i keep turning auto off but every time i restart its back on!
The vibrate is extremely shallow to the point i hardly even feel it.
The optical zoom doesn't function if in 40mp resolution? what’s that all about, i tried it earlier and it says on it that it only works in 10mp resolution? the res you are in shouldn't stop the optics from moving should it? Also when set to 10mp and you can zoom, the zooming isn’t smooth in any way at all, it looks extremely jerky.
even though i have auto brightness off and also smart resolution set to off (which switches between low and high depending on what’s on the screen) - even though these are off i keep seeing my screen kind of flickering when i switch between something like a website to a picture etc, like the phone is still using the smart resolution. if i go to a website the white parts might be bright white for a split second then kind of flicker to a duller white.
I have only had the phone for 2 days but that’s is what is kind of bugging me a bit already if anyone can advise at all on any of them issues?
Thanks
James
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1. It's not Samsung
2. I had the S10... this camera is superior in every way except maybe video... (I don't shoot video in 4K for my purposes so it doesn't bother me)
3. Above camera superiority overall, the 5x & 10x zooms brings a whole new world of shooting pictures. I can truly leave a big camera / big lens at home now.
4. More true-tone pictures... people hate to admit this... but the real world is not over-saturated... Apple, Samsung, etc. stop promoting this as the normal for picture taking....
5. Features yet to be turned on but soon in updates... dual video record (maybe), TOF Sensor utilization (next update), etc.
Honestly though, I'm not a complete Samsung hater. I just hate the way Samsung does business... how can they release their "flagship" S10+ then months later add features to the 5G phone they definitely should have been included with the original... like the additional lenses... Am I considering the Samsung S10 5G. Sure I am... Will I maybe wait for the Mate 30 Pro... more than likely. Huawei, for all the talk about what they steal, they also keep trying to innovate... unlike Apple and to some extent Samsung.
At the end of the day, reserve your judgement until you get to use the camera on the phone when you need a zoom... like at a zoo, concert, etc. where you can't be right against the action... take a few pictures then compare to maybe your friends pictures... you'll then realize what the hype is over... :good:
King Mustard said:
Nova is just the launcher. The system UI controls far more aspects than just the launcher. EMUI/One UI is everywhere.
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I appreciate your point but unless you're an obsessive settings tweaker (which I'm not - once my phone is set to my liking I leave it alone) EMUI/One UI fades in to the background.
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I appreciate your point but unless you're an obsessive settings tweaker (which I'm not - once my phone is set to my liking I leave it alone) EMUI/One UI fades in to the background.
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That's the thing; it doesn't just disappear.
I use Nova Launcher too but here are some EMUI annoyances (for me):
Not being able to open the tray from the lock screen
No quick launch shortcut to launch the camera from anywhere (such as double-pressing the power button)
The Phone app taking over any active app (annoying when navigating with Google Maps)
King Mustard said:
That's the thing; it doesn't just disappear.
I use Nova Launcher too but here are some EMUI annoyances (for me):
Not being able to open the tray from the lock screen
No quick launch shortcut to launch the camera from anywhere (such as double-pressing the power button)
The Phone app taking over any active app (annoying when navigating with Google Maps)
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Fair points. You can launch the camera by double pressing volume down though. Haven't come across the phone/Map problem yet.
How can you not the love when you get shots like this
AntonyW999 said:
Fair points. You can launch the camera by double pressing volume down though. Haven't come across the phone/Map problem yet.
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You can only use that shortcut from the lock screen.
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You can only use that shortcut from the lock screen.
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I know. But if you've already got the phone unlocked I've never found shortcuts to the camera to be of much use. As they say, YMMV.
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I know. But if you've already got the phone unlocked I've never found shortcuts to the camera to be of much use. As they say, YMMV.
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Saves an Camera icon on the home screen(s).
King Mustard said:
That's the thing; it doesn't just disappear.
I use Nova Launcher too but here are some EMUI annoyances (for me):
Not being able to open the tray from the lock screen
No quick launch shortcut to launch the camera from anywhere (such as double-pressing the power button)
The Phone app taking over any active app (annoying when navigating with Google Maps)
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The google maps issue is just a settings tweak with app draw over preferences.
the choices made by Huawei are logical ones... for Instance:
1. Tray not being able to open from lockscreen - this is annoying but the logical Hauwei take on this is that it doesn't allow someone to mess with the phone settings until security is verified... I'll give you the iPhone as an example. I can get into the app drawer from the lockscreen without anything being verified security wise meaning I can harmlessly turn on someone's flashlight if I wanted to as a prank (to let the battery drain faster) all the way up to maliciously turning off all connectivity of the phone... meaning calls, emails, etc. can't get to the phone... can you see the issues this may cause? personally the annoyance is small to my piece of mind that no one can screw with anything on my phone.
2. My theme has quick launch on lockscreen for camera... or press volume down twice so its in there you just can't readily tweak it
I have read online about the setting for app power consumption and to switch manage automatically off so that the phone wont keep alls from receiving notifications and let them run in the background. will have to try it and see.
james_lpool said:
Hi, I am a long time Samsung Galaxy user, my last phone was the Galaxy S8+ i have just come to upgrade and thought I’d try the Huawei P30 Pro and seems it uses android as well, i thought it can't be much different. i have 14 days return and I’m really not sure if i am going to keep it or ask can i swap for an S10+
I don't know if i am just being biased because I’ve had Samsung for so long but i just hope someone here can persuade me keeping the P30 won't be too bad and that some of my issues are fixable.
I don't seem to be getting some notifications, mainly games, i seem to get texts but not always others, although if i turn my s8+ on, they still seem to be coming through on there. I have checked most settings i can find but can't see anything obvious, i have added the games to the app assistant.
I didn't know that this Huawei phone didn't have a notification LED, i guess it’s only a small thing but it's amazing how much you miss that flashing light, are there any ways to get any other screen notifications in some way?
The phone doesn't retain the Auto brightness setting when i restart the phone, I’m a bit confused by this as it would seem that Huawei may have this as a feature rather than a bug, I’ve read online that this is how these phones are set but surely you would want the setting to be retained how you leave it? is this a bug or here to stay? i keep turning auto off but every time i restart its back on!
The vibrate is extremely shallow to the point i hardly even feel it.
The optical zoom doesn't function if in 40mp resolution? what’s that all about, i tried it earlier and it says on it that it only works in 10mp resolution? the res you are in shouldn't stop the optics from moving should it? Also when set to 10mp and you can zoom, the zooming isn’t smooth in any way at all, it looks extremely jerky.
even though i have auto brightness off and also smart resolution set to off (which switches between low and high depending on what’s on the screen) - even though these are off i keep seeing my screen kind of flickering when i switch between something like a website to a picture etc, like the phone is still using the smart resolution. if i go to a website the white parts might be bright white for a split second then kind of flicker to a duller white.
I have only had the phone for 2 days but that’s is what is kind of bugging me a bit already if anyone can advise at all on any of them issues?
Thanks
James
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Funny enough, I also upgraded from an S8+. There are definitely minor bugs, but nothing deal-breaking for me. As for notifications lagging behind, it's a known Huawei bug. You need to turn off auto-app management for the apps you want to get notifications pushed.
james_lpool said:
Hi, I am a long time Samsung Galaxy user, my last phone was the Galaxy S8+ i have just come to upgrade and thought I’d try the Huawei P30 Pro and seems it uses android as well, i thought it can't be much different. i have 14 days return and I’m really not sure if i am going to keep it or ask can i swap for an S10+
I don't know if i am just being biased because I’ve had Samsung for so long but i just hope someone here can persuade me keeping the P30 won't be too bad and that some of my issues are fixable.
I don't seem to be getting some notifications, mainly games, i seem to get texts but not always others, although if i turn my s8+ on, they still seem to be coming through on there. I have checked most settings i can find but can't see anything obvious, i have added the games to the app assistant.
I didn't know that this Huawei phone didn't have a notification LED, i guess it’s only a small thing but it's amazing how much you miss that flashing light, are there any ways to get any other screen notifications in some way?
The phone doesn't retain the Auto brightness setting when i restart the phone, I’m a bit confused by this as it would seem that Huawei may have this as a feature rather than a bug, I’ve read online that this is how these phones are set but surely you would want the setting to be retained how you leave it? is this a bug or here to stay? i keep turning auto off but every time i restart its back on!
The vibrate is extremely shallow to the point i hardly even feel it.
The optical zoom doesn't function if in 40mp resolution? what’s that all about, i tried it earlier and it says on it that it only works in 10mp resolution? the res you are in shouldn't stop the optics from moving should it? Also when set to 10mp and you can zoom, the zooming isn’t smooth in any way at all, it looks extremely jerky.
even though i have auto brightness off and also smart resolution set to off (which switches between low and high depending on what’s on the screen) - even though these are off i keep seeing my screen kind of flickering when i switch between something like a website to a picture etc, like the phone is still using the smart resolution. if i go to a website the white parts might be bright white for a split second then kind of flicker to a duller white.
I have only had the phone for 2 days but that’s is what is kind of bugging me a bit already if anyone can advise at all on any of them issues?
Thanks
James
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I had every Galaxy S and Note phones that were ever released, every one. Last year, I was interested in the P20 P30, ditched my S9 for my first Huawei phone ever, and I loved every bit of it. Then I skipped on pre-ordering the Note 9, something I have never done before, I waited because I wanted to get the Mate 20 Pro, but that was a bad experience for me and my wife, as we had 6 units replaced in total due to glue gate. After returning it, I went back to Samsung, got the Note 9, and I was then reminded how bad Samsung's cameras have gone when compared to the latest from Huawei, Google, and Apple. Still, I believed that Samsung will definitely deliver with the S10, and the moment it was announced, I pulled the plug and ordered two S10 Plus for myself and my wife. Just 3 weeks were enough for me to get sick of it's subpar low light photography, especially indoors and mainly if you're taking pictures of kids, as Samsung cameras struggle with moving objects. My wife doesn't care that much about cameras, but I do, so I ditched it for the P30 Pro and I couldn't be any happier with it in my pocket.
The camera is much better than the one on the S10, especially if we are talking about the exynos version, which was the case for me. Videos might not be up to Samsung and Apple's standards, but at 1080 it is close, and even better in low light situations and indoors as well. Battery life is much better, the UI while isn't the prettiest, it feels a bit more zippy than the S10, which isn't a slouch either.
Now fixes for your problems.
For notifications, go to battery settings, and select the apps you don't want the phone to put in sleep, you won't be missing your notifications after that.
Notifications led is also missing on the S10, so on both phones you'll have to rely on AOD, which for some reason, doesn't affect your battery life on the P30 Pro as much as it did for me on the S10.
Fps while it was improved after the latest update, and I can confirm that it got significantly better, it's still no match in terms of accuracy and speed to the one on the P30 Pro.
Accidental touches are a nightmare on the S10 Plus, the curve is smaller, but it sits much closer to your palm. An issue that I don't face on the P30 Pro.
From my 6 months experience with the P20 Pro, the camera on the P30 Pro will improve by at least 20%, with every update, Huawei makes sure they keep on improving their image processing. While on Samsung, and I am sure you know that, Samsung only irons out the camera issues that comes with the software that the phone was released with, so after a month or so, forget about Samsung working on improving your pictures.
Pardon me for the long ass essay, but from my experience with Samsung phones, and the S10 in particular, I would advise you to hold on to your phone. Their is a learning curve for their UI, but once you get it, you'll love your phone.
Thanks for the replies, what themes are people using? I have tried the app management setting and it did seem to have fixed my notification issue.
AntonyW999 said:
Not having any of those problems with mine. In fact I'm ditching my Galaxy S10+ and keeping the P30 Pro. The fingerprint scanner on the Huawei is faster and more reliable than the one on the Samsung, the camera setup is far more versatile, battery life is better and I immediately stick Nova launcher on anyway so I don't have to put up with EMUI or One UI.
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I also use Nova Launcher - Since Galaxy S6 - and haven't looked back!
I'm very surprised (and very pleased) to hear that the finger print scanner on the P30 works faster AND more reliable than the one on S10+ - can you please elaborate more?
I noticed that mine works very well, actually extremely well. Always wondered what the ultrasonic reader must be like if the claim of being more accurate is true!!???
Would really appreciate any tips that anyone has utilised to improve the camera settings (as its the one thing bugging me on an otherwise brilliant phone).
I was trying to add something to an Instagram story earlier via the camera on Instagram and everytime I took the picture, the actual shot would move slightly each time and cause the picture to blur (despite repeated attempts and me holding the camera dead still). It was like the camera was being nudged each time I pressed to take a picture. I used the stock camera (default settings) at the weekend and found the experience to be quite mediocre. A few came out quite well but generally they seemed to be a bit blurry or appear as though my dog was moving (when he was actually just sitting still).
I have a few Youtube vids saved to watch from. Another thread that have tips on how to get the best out of Photo Pro so will check those out later when I have time. I'm not a camera expert and Photo Pro seemed a bit overwhelming with all the options but happy to give it a go.
From what I have seen and read it seems the phone is exceptional in the pro app with lots of adjustment if required however the auto mode is a just ok.
It's a shame as clearly the potential is there and many people still want a great camera they can open up and shoot a decent picture without all the messing about.
Just don't know why they haven't improved this. There are lots of fans who like other aspects of a Sony phone but just don't want the messing about with the camera. It's a 'nice to have option' but I also want decent reliable results straight off the bat.