I'm planning to buy a new phone with better custom ROM support, but confused between these two - K20 Pro and OnePlus 7 Pro. The price of both phones are at different extends.
So if the K20 Pro has better or comparable quality in the camera section against OP 7 Pro I would definitely go for K20 Pro and can save money for others. Please share your thoughts on this.
OP 7 pro has better camera, but K20 pro camera isn't not bad at all for day to day normal shots taking, if you're a camera guy then it's OP > K20
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The only real reason to get OP 7 Pro over K20 is for OIS. Makes a real difference during low light and while shooting video.
Wide-angle camera is also a little better and has manual focus. During day time, you won't get much difference cause both have same main sensor. GCam fixes most of the color inconsistencies for both phones.
If you plan on shooting at night time, I highly suggest you go for OnePlus. Even the 7T has OIS so that's a good middle ground [and has 2x zoom instead of 3x].
You shouldn't believe anything you read in the tech press about OnePlus phones--especially what you read on XDA.
OnePlus fired all of the programmers who created Oxygen after OnePlus Marshmallow and moved all coding to the Hydrogen team in China to save money.
Hydrogen was supposedly the Chinese ROM for OnePlus phones--but since OnePlus doesn't actually sell phones in China they were programming a ROM nobody used.
Since Oxygen Nougat coding on OnePlus phones has been completely inept--a fact that is widely known among developers and software engineers but not discussed on XDA.
The last OnePlus phone developers actually used was the OP3T--which was the last OnePlus phone released before the Oxygen programmers were fired.
All development for OnePlus phones is artificially sustained by OnePlus who gives free phones to developers since they would never spend their own money on OnePlus devices.
Since developers don't actually use OnePlus phones as their daily driver ROMs and kernels for OnePlus phones are compiled. These ROMs always have bugs--any build of any custom ROM for a OnePlus phone always has bugs even if it's supposedly stable.
Since OnePlus ROMs are compiled by developers who don't use the phones daily themselves multiple ROMs will often have the exact same bugs at the same time. Someone will post code to fix the bug on GitHub and if the code is approved all of the devs for the various ROMs will incorporate the same code into their own ROMs.
Usually developers of OnePlus custom ROMs don't know there are bugs in their "stable" ROMs until users report them and these bugs are sometimes serious enough to affect the basic functionality of the phone.
I personally used "stable" OnePlus custom ROMs that wouldn't boot up beyond the splash screen, where the ability to make or receive calls was broken, where Bluetooth, WiFi or GPS was broken, where opening the settings or trying to make a call would completely crash the UI--you get the idea--and this was all on ROMs that were labeled as stable.
Because the firmware on OnePlus phones is ineptly coded it's impossible to take decent pictures without using the ported Google Camera App--a $200 phone from Samsung or Xiaomi takes better pictures than a $700 OnePlus phone using the native OnePlus Camera app.
OnePlus phones are overpriced and ineptly coded--phones from Xiaomi and Honor are a much better value.
Don't read too much into the above post.
As far as hardware is concerned, there is not much difference between the 2, with the exception of OIS being added to the OP phone. Both have the same Sony sensor as the main module, but OP have slightly better secondary modules.
Software wise Xiaomi seem to be ahead of OP, in terms of computational photography. As I see it, Google and Huawei are way ahead, with Samsung third and probably Xiaomi 4th when it comes to computational photography.
So OP edge the camera hardware, but Xiaomi edge the camera software.
I also in confusion about these two phones.
Finally Op cancelled only for Headphone jack.
Better check both phones in gsmarena camera tool and check yourself
josephnero said:
Better check both phones in gsmarena camera tool and check yourself
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Already checked, viewed videos and read many articles. But I want to hear from real people besides reviews, that's why I'm asking.
- are the images great with the photos taken with GCam?
- does the EIS work with all three cameras? or with any camera?
- if the K20 Pro is compared to OnePlus 6T in camera how do you rate them?
niyonsv said:
Already checked, viewed videos and read many articles. But I want to hear from real people besides reviews, that's why I'm asking.
- are the images great with the photos taken with GCam?
- does the EIS work with all three cameras? or with any camera?
- if the K20 Pro is compared to OnePlus 6T in camera how do you rate them?
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- GCam makes colors match up closely. Night mode is minorly better on the OP, but for a casual user it's not incredibly noticeable. Astrophotography is just as good as on any other phone. Main cameras are the same on both phones (48MP Sony), while wide angle is minorly better on the OP (imo, not enough of a quality difference to justify price difference)
- EIS works with main camera on both phones in GCam, OP has OIS on main camera as well. Neither phone can take wide angle video in gcam. OP can't take wide angle video in stock, K20 Pro can.
- K20 Pro is very significantly better than 6T. It matches with the OP 7 Pro much better.
AvgZing said:
- GCam makes colors match up closely. Night mode is minorly better on the OP, but for a casual user it's not incredibly noticeable. Astrophotography is just as good as on any other phone. Main cameras are the same on both phones (48MP Sony), while wide angle is minorly better on the OP (imo, not enough of a quality difference to justify price difference)
- EIS works with main camera on both phones in GCam, OP has OIS on main camera as well. Neither phone can take wide angle video in gcam. OP can't take wide angle video in stock, K20 Pro can.
- K20 Pro is very significantly better than 6T. It matches with the OP 7 Pro much better.
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Thank you so much for the details mate. But unfortunately I'll be buying a pre-owned OnePlus 7T tomorrow. A deal is almost confirmed. I found a couple of things of 7T better for me than K20 Pro. The motorized pop-up camera is one I don't like in K20 Pro, and that's why I'm not even picking 7 Pro, which I can get in the same range. Also I love the 90Hzv display.
These things are too personal and I won't say that K20 Pro is not a good one. It's a great device and I should have brought earlier once but I didn't have money that time.
Anyways thanks again for the detailed information.
EDIT: Just dropped the deal because of unreliability.
I just use GCam and it's miles better than the stock op7
How's the Mi 11 3x zoom vs op 7 pro telelens 3x?
Specially that the mi 11 doesn't have a specific zoom lens but crop in the 108mp camera, so how is it on par or better than the "old" 8mp 7 pro 3x zoom?
I dont know about oppo but mi 11 have no zoom , and digital is not so good. for sure it can not compare to any other phone that have dedicated zoom camera. check this video start at 01:56
So we have to wait for the Mi 11 ultra or pro for a proper zoom lens
Hey all,
I've question about photo quality in new firmware version. When i took first photos it looks great, very similar to P40 PRO - here are samples from both phones https://mega.nz/file/yI4TwASb#vujZkwIElbtdujE_yReCCFXiDciXZVd9u0P7U44T9fA
I don't know if was any update, but photos i took today looks more blurry and i'm not happy with results - Can You upload some sample photos from MI11 Ultra with new China firmware? Currently i think P40 PRO is better camera than MI 11 Ultra, especially in night and zoom capabilities. I wanted post samples here in forum, but there is error - files are too big.
Thanks in advance
drzewoid said:
Hey all,
I've question about photo quality in new firmware version. When i took first photos it looks great, very similar to P40 PRO - here are samples from both phones https://mega.nz/file/yI4TwASb#vujZkwIElbtdujE_yReCCFXiDciXZVd9u0P7U44T9fA
I don't know if was any update, but photos i took today looks more blurry and i'm not happy with results - Can You upload some sample photos from MI11 Ultra with new China firmware? Currently i think P40 PRO is better camera than MI 11 Ultra, especially in night and zoom capabilities. I wanted post samples here in forum, but there is error - files are too big.
Thanks in advance
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Hello,
I'm still a proud owner of my Huawei P40 Pro and bought it purely for the camera. Initially I was left very disappointed when I compared it with my MI 11 Ultra but I realized the GN2 sensor is still not optimized well enough yet so I'm staying optimistic and patient (while the P40 Pro's firmware is fully matured by now and has stopped getting camera improvements). The latest update makes it a lot better.
I've taken a range of recent shots unedited here on the latest v12.5.4 firmware whcih features a lot of camera improvements (minus low light): https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/initial-impressions-photo-samples-cn-rom.4263469/
Thanks for your reply, will you so kind and share some other photos - i saw this, but it's most buildings, and they looks fine. The problem is when i took pictures of trees, grass - looks very blurry, details have lost.
kyero985 said:
Hello,
I'm still a proud owner of my Huawei P40 Pro and bought it purely for the camera. Initially I was left very disappointed when I compared it with my MI 11 Ultra but I realized the GN2 sensor is still not optimized well enough yet so I'm staying optimistic and patient (while the P40 Pro's firmware is fully matured by now and has stopped getting camera improvements). The latest update makes it a lot better.
I've taken a range of recent shots unedited here on the latest v12.5.4 firmware whcih features a lot of camera improvements (minus low light): https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/initial-impressions-photo-samples-cn-rom.4263469/
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Huawei has a long history of good picture quality (Sharpness, dynamic range, color science, etc...) as well as consistency and continuous improvement of their software for existing models.
Let's hope Xiaomi will progress enough to live up to Huawei's standards.
I have the international version with MIUI 12.0.1 and I can't wait to get 12.5.4 given how much they have improved their photo software.
I would have waited for the P50 if Google was still allowed to provide GMS to Huawei...
drzewoid said:
Thanks for your reply, will you so kind and share some other photos - i saw this, but it's most buildings, and they looks fine. The problem is when i took pictures of trees, grass - looks very blurry, details have lost.
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No problem, I will take some photos of greenery and a bit of wildlife tomorrow - I'll put these in my original thread.
Alcibiade said:
Huawei has a long history of good picture quality (Sharpness, dynamic range, color science, etc...) as well as consistency and continuous improvement of their software for existing models.
Let's hope Xiaomi will progress enough to live up to Huawei's standards.
I have the international version with MIUI 12.0.1 and I can't wait to get 12.5.4 given how much they have improved their photo software.
I would have waited for the P50 if Google was still allowed to provide GMS to Huawei...
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I agree, I still love my P40 Pro and it took better shots than Mi 11 Ultra in all shooting scenarios when I first tried it out. I'll go as far as to say it even takes better photos than the S21 Ultra and iPhone 12 Pro Max or at least match them in most areas. At one point I was actually tempted to sell my My 11 Ultra as I got it really early and wait for the P50 Pro instead.
But I no longer have any regrets after missing Google app support for so long and the 12.5.4 update has already made things look a lot more promising and convincing of what's coming next in the future updates and I look forward to it.
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I agree, I still love my P40 Pro and it took better shots than Mi 11 Ultra in all shooting scenarios when I first tired it out. I'll go as far as to say I feel it takes better photos than the S21 Ultra and iPhone 12 Pro Max or at least match them in most areas. At one point I was actually tempted to sell my My 11 Ultra as I got it really early and wait for the P50 Pro instead.
But I no longer have any regrets after missing Google app support for so long and the 12.5.4 update has already made things look a lot more promising and convincing of what's coming next in the next updates and I look forward to it.
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Thank you for all the info.
I am rather a fan of DXO and tend to trust their benchmarks so I don't doubt 12.5.4 gets you enough quality to not regret your P40 Anyway the S21 has some real issues with noise and iOS is not my cup of tea, so it's not like I have a choice. I'll learn to enjoy my Mi 11 Ultra
Meanwhile I'll be eagerly waiting for the new firmware to arrive on the international version
Alcibiade said:
Thank you for all the info.
I am rather a fan of DXO and tend to trust their benchmarks so I don't doubt 12.5.4 gets you enough quality to not regret your P40 Anyway the S21 has some real issues with noise and iOS is not my cup of tea, so it's not like I have a choice. I'll learn to enjoy my Mi 11 Ultra
Meanwhile I'll be eagerly waiting for the new firmware to arrive on the international version
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According to this source at the bottom of the page which was one of the first to report on the 12.5.4's improvements, Xiaomi will be gathering live user feedback to further improve the camera on May the 7th: https://min.news/en/tech/590f98d68b0fdbb259d5fd644b74d23c.html
I have a good feeling they're trying to do what they can do get their camera performance as strong as possible before the EU release too so hopefully another update isn't too far away again.
Alcibiade said:
Huawei has a long history of good picture quality (Sharpness, dynamic range, color science, etc...) as well as consistency and continuous improvement of their software for existing models.
Let's hope Xiaomi will progress enough to live up to Huawei's standards.
I have the international version with MIUI 12.0.1 and I can't wait to get 12.5.4 given how much they have improved their photo software.
I would have waited for the P50 if Google was still allowed to provide GMS to Huawei...
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Does the latest Xiaomi.EU rom have the camera improvement?
lhubbard0 said:
Does the latest Xiaomi.EU rom have the camera improvement?
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Yes it does. It's derived from the latest CN ROM which has it.
Mi 11 Ultra vs P40 Pro in low light
note: I have the global Mi 11 Ultra, so no 12.5 update yet. I wonder if that update fixes the yellowish tone.
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Hello
I too come from a Huawei P40 Pro and have bought a Mi 11 Ultra. I am with MIUI 12.0.3.
This is the comparison I have made last night. I have used the stock app on both the Mi 11 Ultra and the P40 Pro, in photo mode and in night mode. I have also used GCam on the Mi11 Ultra (it does not work on the P40 Pro)
The obvious thing is that the picture with the Mi 11 Ultra in photo mode is of very bad quality. I first thought that it was cinetic blur because my hand was shaky, but I have tried again with the same result. I really think it is a bug since the night mode should be enabled automatically, I hope it will be corrected soon (because it is annoying to select night mode everytime I take a picture)
By contrast the picture with the Mi 11 Ultra in night mode is better in my opinion than the pictures with the P40 Pro. The pictures with the P40 Pro have a red/purple tint. And there is less details on the P40 Pro picture in photo mode and more noise on the P40 Pro in night mode.
I find the picture with Gcam on the Mi 11 Ultra interesting. There are more fine details than the stock app, I think because the sharpness algorithm is less agressive. The colors are also more vibrant. But there is less dynamic range than the stock app.
Overall I prefer the Gcam picture for now even if the stock app in night mode has a better dynamic range. I hope we will have the best of both world with MIUI 12.5 and the DxOMark improvements.
Mi 11 Ultra stock, photo mode
Mi 11 Ultra stock, night mode
P40 Pro, photo mode
P40 Pro, night mode
Mi 11 Ultra GCam
A few more comparisons (mostly 5x zoom)
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Don't post samples before the update. It's useless.
I had the update yesterday and honestly, I don't see so much difference. The exposure is a little higher, but I don't see anything else...
But the bug that made the night mode sometimes working automatically at night and sometimes not has been corrected I think. Now it always work.
From what I see, I still find that the Mi 11 Ultra is superior than the P40 Pro. Both are good. The most obvious difference is that the mi 11 Ultra has a yellow tint, and the P40 Pro a purple tint.
But when zooming, we can really see that the P40 Pro denoising and sharpening algorithms are too agressive and loose a lot of details compared to the mi11 Ultra.
before the update
after the update
P40 Pro
The hassle of Google keeps me away from Huawei !
If they got that part fixed, I guess They'd rule the world of smartphones.
The update was the 12.5.3. I was told that the DxOMark update is the 12.5.4 so it is logical that I don't see much difference.
But even with the 12.5.3, I already find that the mi 11 Ultra is superior to the P40 Pro
We'll see the difference when I have the 12.5.4
Borh77 said:
Hello
I too come from a Huawei P40 Pro and have bought a Mi 11 Ultra. I am with MIUI 12.0.3.
This is the comparison I have made last night. I have used the stock app on both the Mi 11 Ultra and the P40 Pro, in photo mode and in night mode. I have also used GCam on the Mi11 Ultra (it does not work on the P40 Pro)
The obvious thing is that the picture with the Mi 11 Ultra in photo mode is of very bad quality. I first thought that it was cinetic blur because my hand was shaky, but I have tried again with the same result. I really think it is a bug since the night mode should be enabled automatically, I hope it will be corrected soon (because it is annoying to select night mode everytime I take a picture)
By contrast the picture with the Mi 11 Ultra in night mode is better in my opinion than the pictures with the P40 Pro. The pictures with the P40 Pro have a red/purple tint. And there is less details on the P40 Pro picture in photo mode and more noise on the P40 Pro in night mode.
I find the picture with Gcam on the Mi 11 Ultra interesting. There are more fine details than the stock app, I think because the sharpness algorithm is less agressive. The colors are also more vibrant. But there is less dynamic range than the stock app.
Overall I prefer the Gcam picture for now even if the stock app in night mode has a better dynamic range. I hope we will have the best of both world with MIUI 12.5 and the DxOMark improvements.
Mi 11 Ultra stock, photo mode
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Mi 11 Ultra GCam
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Which g am version did you use ?
rowihel2012 said:
Which g am version did you use ?
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This one
Urnyx05: PXv8.1_GCam-v1.2.apk
Download PXv8.1_GCam-v1.2.apk by Urnyx05.
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Hi Guys,
I wanted to change my Mi note 10 Pro for something better with equal/better camera, but I am struggling to do so for half a year already.
I have bought mi 11 pro (which was not so easy considering that I am based in EU and it has not been introduced there) because it seemed that having the same camera sensor as mi 11 ultra, 5000 mah battery and a quick CPU would fit my needs. Oh, how mistaken I was ....
Once it came, I have installed xiaomi.eu firmware (I am using it on mi note 10 pro too) and shot couple of pictures on both devices to compare. Each picture was just: get the phone out of the pocket and take a picture of the same thing on auto settings. In my opinion there are only 2 pictures for which mi 11 pro bested mi note 10 pro. Please crop each image to see how grainy mi 11 pro pictures are. I am totally disappointed...
MI11pro_MINOTE10PRO - Google Drive
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What settings are you using on mi 11? Why there is no exif?? Mine mi 11 is taking much better pictures, why your photos are so small, they're resized and overcompressed?
I used app to batch remove exif data- I am uncomfortable sharing pics with exact location over the web. It seems that it compressed the images.
I don't have the original files, so I will have to take new ones, but I can assure you that I did not fiddle with settings on either phones. Those are just shot out of a pocket.
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What settings are you using on mi 11? Why there is no exif?? Mine mi 11 is taking much better pictures, why your photos are so small, they're resized and overcompressed?
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Feel free to check up the photos now. I have taken the whole set once again and deleted only location data from exif. The verdicts stays the same for me.