Finally, after a long battle with Mi 11 ultra and MIUI bugs for many past months, I jumped the ship from Android back to iOS and got myself a shiny new iPhone 13 pro max. I lost some 500 hundred USD because of my misadventure. In the interim, I used S21 ultra for 1 month but did not find it amusing either.
Reasons for switching from Mi11 ultra were;
1. Forced to use bug-loaded beta software on my only device because the stable versions were lacking in either features or security.
2. The back screen was a failed experiment for me. Did not find it useful as I was never a selfy-taking guy in the first place as I don't like seeing my own depression a lot.
3. Although iOS is not that open to use, it still has got many features to keep me hanging around. I would miss sideloading apps with that ease....
Sorry for hurting anyone's sentiments here. I do not intend or wish to ask anyone for switching to iOS. I am just trying to inform a googler a little bit...
I am very much thankful for the support I got from this community. Stay blessed.
You force yourself to use beta versions and then complain for bugs, lol
Do use understand what "beta" stand for?
And what do u mean lack of feature and security?
What feature exactly?
Lack of security? Ios never show that your phone now has what security update date, so people will never complain sh1t things about that like Android, LOL
I owned 1 ipad and android phone, and now I only use my ipad when my child want to see some youtube video, when my phone is charging (30 mins to full charge) and i can use Facebook or chrome when waiting, just all.
I used the beta because the stable ones would not feel secure as the security patch would always be a few months old.
Lack of features means the difference between the features in EU ROM beta (weekly) vs EU stable and not between iPhone 13 pro max vs mi 11 ultra.
Comparing Android vs iOS is a never-ending argument. Both have their pros and cons. It depends on a user what fits his/her requirements. I traded the openness on android for optimization and security on iOS. One example of a real-world impact of optimization is the battery life; despite having a smaller battery, iPhone pro max lasts for 2 days on a single charge for me. The overnight drop in the battery percentage is barely 1-2%. Mi 11 ultra needed to be charged twice daily and the overnight drop in the battery would be between 5 and 10% depending on strength of phone signals I guess. The fast charging speed was convenient but having to connect it to the charger twice daily was not.
Almost every week, Android trojans-loaded apps are detected even on the Play Store, let alone in the sideloaded apps. In such settings, Google either needs to be able to deliver the latest security patches to all vendors independently of their collaboration or shut the hell up about security. With their current approach, only Pixel phones get timely updates. The rest of us are left at the mercy of vendors who decide when to provide us with those security patches. Samsung still does some justice for being consistent with its update policy. Xiaomi is a total loss in this regard.
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I used the beta because the stable ones would not feel secure as the security patch would always be a few months old.
Lack of features means the difference between the features in EU ROM beta (weekly) vs EU stable and not between iPhone 13 pro max vs mi 11 ultra.
Comparing Android vs iOS is a never-ending argument. Both have their pros and cons. It depends on a user what fits his/her requirements. I traded the openness on android for optimization and security on iOS. One example of a real-world impact of optimization is the battery life; despite having a smaller battery, iPhone pro max lasts for 2 days on a single charge for me. The overnight drop in the battery percentage is barely 1-2%. Mi 11 ultra needed to be charged twice daily and the overnight drop in the battery would be between 5 and 10% depending on strength of phone signals I guess. The fast charging speed was convenient but having to connect it to the charger twice daily was not.
Almost every week, Android trojans-loaded apps are detected even on the Play Store, let alone in the sideloaded apps. In such settings, Google either needs to be able to deliver the latest security patches to all vendors independently of their collaboration or shut the hell up about security. With their current approach, only Pixel phones get timely updates. The rest of us are left at the mercy of vendors who decide when to provide us with those security patches. Samsung still does some justice for being consistent with its update policy. Xiaomi is a total loss in this regard.
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"Both have their pros and cons. It depends on a user what fits his/her Requirements."
You said everything in that statement, I am not trying to pull you back to Mi 11 Ultra, but some of the stuff you said earlier is not justified in my opinion:
First: Beta software is what it's called: "BETA" as in "FOR TESTING" I would not use it on a phone that is a daily driver, as I am using Xiaomi.EU Stable I haven't encountered any bugs, the OS is rock solid, and I don't feel like i'm missing out on "features", also about the lack of the latest security update: are you downloading tons of ****, from third party apps and sideloading a ton of apps? otherwise the latest update is not the most crucial thing, if you keep apps updated by google play store you should be more than fine, I never had any issues on that regard and I'm on android since 2015, finally the battery thing is totally justified, I am not heavy user so mostly a single charge a day is enough for me, but I totally get having to charge this phone for twice or more a day for heavy use, luckily it's half solved by its awesome 67w wired and wireless charging, so in the end, if you are staying with the phone long term, I would agree iphone 13 pro max should last way longer, due to it's awesome battery life, but if you are a person who likes to advance with technology, Mi 11 Ultra and in the future when Xiaomi 12 Ultra will be released is the way to go, (I personally upgrade every year), but again as you said:
"Both have their pros and cons. It depends on a user what fits his/her Requirements."
the good thing is that we have choice, and if I would feel that I had enough with technology and would like to settle down, I would get an iphone 13 pro max (or whatever top end iphone is released by then) as my daily driver as it is a get and forget device with software support of 5+ years,
sorry for long rant, I just love talking about phones
My only reason for having the beta was to be able to have the monthly security patch. Because it was the only way to obtain the patches as soon as they became available. I did sideloaded apps. Morever, my browsing habits are not very secure in general. So for me, a security patch used to be a big deal. I donated Mi 11 ultra to a friend of mine who does not give a thing about security patches. He is happily using it on stable global version
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I hate apple but the difference between iphone 13 pro max and this phone is chalk and cheese
I don't think any SD 888 phones Are power efficient but this one is probably close to the worst of the worst
As a heavy user I have to turn down the display resolution and refresh rate and still need to charge it 2x daily
The 67w charging is nice , I don't think I could live with a device that takes 2-3 hours to charge anymore
I usually change phones yearly anyway so my next will hopefully be charging at 120w or faster
Xiaomi needs to work on the software as well instead of just churning out millions of phones a week
This phone is a worse user experience than my Huawei mate 20 pro in some areas and that just shouldn't happen at this price range
In my little opinion, Xiaomi does not have the capacity and expertise to deliver flagship experience. They are better known for cheaper mid rangers. Look at MIUI; it is the same experience from under a 200 phone to the ones above 1000. Even ads are present in their flagships which I was unable to comprehend because they charge premium price for their flagships and the ads did not need to be on them as they did not need to generate additional revenue at least from the flagships. I know I could block ads but that is not the point. The point is Xiaomi mindset to not differentiate flagships from mid rangers from software point of view.
Before an existing flagship is optimized, Xiaomi shoot us with another flagship. This circle continues and the flagships are sort of demeaned/insulted lol.
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In my little opinion, Xiaomi does not have the capacity and expertise to deliver flagship experience. They are better known for cheaper mid rangers. Look at MIUI; it is the same experience from under a 200 phone to the ones above 1000. Even ads are present in their flagships which I was unable to comprehend because they charge premium price for their flagships and the ads did not need to be on them as they did not need to generate additional revenue at least from the flagships. I know I could block ads but that is not the point. The point is Xiaomi mindset to not differentiate flagships from mid rangers from software point of view.
Before an existing flagship is optimized, Xiaomi shoot us with another flagship. This circle continues and the flagships are sort of demeaned/insulted lol.
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I don't get any ads, but I do agree, the software must improve the fact that optimization takes time is sad and annoying, to think that the hardware is really good but the software is limiting it... Which is a shame
hellodrsoul said:
Finally, after a long battle with Mi 11 ultra and MIUI bugs for many past months, I jumped the ship from Android back to iOS and got myself a shiny new iPhone 13 pro max. I lost some 500 hundred USD because of my misadventure. In the interim, I used S21 ultra for 1 month but did not find it amusing either.
Reasons for switching from Mi11 ultra were;
1. Forced to use bug-loaded beta software on my only device because the stable versions were lacking in either features or security.
2. The back screen was a failed experiment for me. Did not find it useful as I was never a selfy-taking guy in the first place as I don't like seeing my own depression a lot.
3. Although iOS is not that open to use, it still has got many features to keep me hanging around. I would miss sideloading apps with that ease....
Sorry for hurting anyone's sentiments here. I do not intend or wish to ask anyone for switching to iOS. I am just trying to inform a googler a little bit...
I am very much thankful for the support I got from this community. Stay blessed.
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Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. See ya!
If you want a flagship that can compete with Apple and exceed them, Samsung.
Unfortunately Samsung runs hot and cold, so you got to grab the hot ones like the Note 10+.
The last year for both Samsung and the Adroid OS has been wretched. Samsung sunk a lot of money and effort into the Fold series and their other flagship lines suffered heavily as a result... and Samsung got chump change for this epic blunder.
Android forgot its users buy Androids because they don't like iPhones... idiots.
Both these corporations need to learn the definition of insanity; making the same mistake and expecting a different result.
iPhone is no gem and are behaving more like their CCP partners as time passes. Their invasive scan for child porn almost was fielded a few months ago. They will try to do it or something worse in due time, the writings on the wall. They were testing the waters without a second thought to your privacy or the performance hit you would suffer because of it.
iPhone charges more for memory (and memory is not expandable), accessories and service. For what? They been using the cheapest labor force they can find for years.
iPhones lack the free Galaxy Store customization found in Samsung's. You decide what your Samsung will look and act like to a very large extent. iPhones are stiff.
Apple charge fee for providing unfragmented, cleaner OS, and super optimized third party apps for each and every iPhone. A15 bionic is superfast, more efficient, and more intelligent than snapdragon 888 (Exynos does not count!). I agree iPhones are stiff and there is room for improvement in iOS if you compare it to Android. You obviously would need to forego some features and open to enjoy some other set of features when you switch the OS.
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Apple charge fee for providing unfragmented, cleaner OS, and super optimized third party apps for each and every iPhone. A15 bionic is superfast, more efficient, and more intelligent than snapdragon 888 (Exynos does not count!). I agree iPhones are stiff and there is room for improvement in iOS if you compare it to Android. You obviously would need to forego some features and open to enjoy some other set of features when you switch the OS.
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The Android platform allows the manufacturer as well as the user to largely load the device as they see fit. A large portion of the burden of optimization falls on the user. Be it something the manufacturer overlooked or more commonly misconfigured settings and/or 3rd party apps. It's simply impossible to test all the variables with so many variants and 3rd party apps.
As the end user it becomes your task to do what it takes to debug -your- own unique platform.
I have a few rules I learned to follow with Adroids and have my own favorite flavor. I've learned over time what works best* and almost never update. I run stock Samsung's with a Package Disabler and VPN firewall.
Result is a fast, stable platform that fulfills it's mission. My oldest N10+ is running on 9, it's current load is 21 months old, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. My next upgrade will be going from a 512gb to a 1tb V30 SD card.
All my computers are dual drive including my smartphones. 512gb doesn't cut it nor does having the critical data folders on the same drive as the OS. All my crash and burns be it PC or smartphones never took out the data drive(s).
Regardless I redundantly stagger backup my data drives. In the end the only thing that is not replaceable is critical data. This multilayered approach is the method I use to physically firewall that data.
Ideally I want two 1tb SD card slots on the smartphone
*customized to my own unique requirements but not done overnight. A sometimes steep learning curve, but ultimately with less limitations.
May I ask whether security, evolving and improving privacy, latest features, improved battery life and individual app optimizations do not matter on your end? If so, the setup you just described is optimus prime!
For me, these things come first before anything so that I do not worry about grey internet habits .
Customization on iOS is indeed limited. But with iOS 15, many things have improved. Homescreen can be customized to a great extent. Such as changing icons, hiding labels etc. can be done via the shortcut app. While on the other hand, the mess created by gesture based navigation on third party launchers on Android have effectively rendered these launchers redundant. Customization on iOS are steadily increasing while on Android, they are decreasing according to my understanding.
Optimization of third party apps for iOS is the most underrated feature of iOS. I am not much into playing games. But I do play chess and angry birds. These two are way better on iOS than on Android. Especially the chess.com app is dope. WhatsApp on iOS is also better than on Android. Ironically, even chrome on iOS (webkit based) is cleaner and more power efficient than chrome on Android (Blink based).
Again, iOS fits my use case scenario better. This may not apply to others. I get this
Security has never been an issue since I been running on Android 9. I has one maliciously scripted jpeg that damaged some files in the download folder; I deleted jpeg and repaired or deleted the damaged files. Gone.
Had one trojan preloader that squeaked by the Samsung browser but deleted it before it was able to get it's payload, DOA. Both were almost 2 years ago. I now either back out of back websites or very rarely if really bad close the browser and clear the cache. The Brave browser is pretty much bullet proof. Karma Firewall lets me know if anything is running in the background as well.
The scoped storage in Android 11 and 12 is unwanted and unwelcome. It's sucks cpu cycles and screws up trusted apps. Many apps are firewall blocked by me anyway if they don't need internet access.
It took a fair amount of time to optimize the N10+ over many months. My SOT ranges from 7-12%@hour, tap on AOD with cell serveice active runs at >.5%@hr (typical charging/discharging pattern show below). The settings on the new N10+ Android 10 variant are almost identical and it gets maybe slightly better battery life. The Android 10 variant also retains the physical navigation buttons option as show below, which I prefer. Not sure which variant I like more but the Android 9 one is easier to troubleshoot.
Stock One UI launcher, Galaxy Good Lock modules, and DIGI clock. Hidden short cut switches everywhere, 4 in the clock widget it's self. Many more on the side panels including gesture navigation via One Handed Operation plus.
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hellodrsoul said:
Finally, after a long battle with Mi 11 ultra and MIUI bugs for many past months, I jumped the ship from Android back to iOS and got myself a shiny new iPhone 13 pro max. I lost some 500 hundred USD because of my misadventure. In the interim, I used S21 ultra for 1 month but did not find it amusing either.
Reasons for switching from Mi11 ultra were;
1. Forced to use bug-loaded beta software on my only device because the stable versions were lacking in either features or security.
2. The back screen was a failed experiment for me. Did not find it useful as I was never a selfy-taking guy in the first place as I don't like seeing my own depression a lot.
3. Although iOS is not that open to use, it still has got many features to keep me hanging around. I would miss sideloading apps with that ease....
Sorry for hurting anyone's sentiments here. I do not intend or wish to ask anyone for switching to iOS. I am just trying to inform a googler a little bit...
I am very much thankful for the support I got from this community. Stay blessed.
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I respect your choice 100%, will just tell you i have the MI 11 Ultra eu stable rom 256gb Chinese version phone and never have any isues at all.
Im on the 12.5.20 rom to BUT, because i have to use Fastboot for the new miui13 instead of TWRP which i feel secure on, i must make a change to, just to another Android brand, i had the S21 to when it was released, we never liked each other... And its a big shame because i love this mi 11 ultra.
But im not a ROM or even a beta guy i must admit, now i tried a phone with eu rom, but never again.
I still hope to be safed by a new version TWRP, before i buy the next Android, so i atleast can have some different launchers.
Good luck out there
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Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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Thanks, it's not an easy question to answer I know and I suspect I wouldn't notice the difference either
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I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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Perhaps longevity was not quite the right word to use , as I was really looking at the processor life and performance over time rather than the battery. I don't know what the battery health is like on my P20 but it's still lasting more than a day after 3 year's so hopefully the 5 will be as good if not better
i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
*depending on where in the world you are
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i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
*depending on where in the world you are
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Thanks for your reply, I don't do gaming or anything particularly heavy, watch videos and you tube, social media and emails, although I do have quite a few apps
Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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nchesh said:
Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
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Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.
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Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.
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I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.
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Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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My Nexus 6p was brilliant too
nchesh said:
I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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Thanks, I've ordered mine today so will look forward to receiving it and seeing how well it does
Frankly I do not understand this fantasy with the fastest chipset. When we are buying pcs how many of us actually buy a core i9 processor with 32gb ram and the best dedicated graphics? I bet like me most will stick to an i3 or i5 and by stats those are the ones most people buy.
Same goes with phones. I believe in a few years people will realize this and simply go with the mid end processor line up which just like the core i5 is good enough for everything most of the people will need anyway.
1000 plus for a flagship mobile phone every two years is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. The user experience should factor in a lot more than just the specs!
no, the processor isn't going to slow down in a few years.
battery is the main killer with aged phones.
don't worry about the processor.
Fyi
The US has a new OnePlus 10 Pro that might make you regret buying the older one
If you already bought a OnePlus 10 Pro in the US, we have some bad (or maybe good?) news: there is a better version coming.
www.androidauthority.com
It just 12GB/256GB is coming. Nothing different. In China has other top configuration is 16GB/512GB
galaxys said:
Fyi
The US has a new OnePlus 10 Pro that might make you regret buying the older one
If you already bought a OnePlus 10 Pro in the US, we have some bad (or maybe good?) news: there is a better version coming.
www.androidauthority.com
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If I had bought direct from OnePlus,yeah,I'd have a bit of buyer's remorse.
But,I got mine from T-Mobile w/a killer trade-in allowance.
The full MSRP of $899 the phone was covered w/my OnePlus8 that I bought direct from One Plus for $249, specifically to use for the trade-in,so no regrets here.
This company just can't help but piss off its customers, can it?
Besides storage I don't see a benefit from 8 to 12GB of RAM.
Tbh 12 consumes more battery
256 should be standard tbh, 512 for the higher price point
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Besides storage I don't see a benefit from 8 to 12GB of RAM.
Tbh 12 consumes more battery
256 should be standard tbh, 512 for the higher price point
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The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.
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The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.
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Exactly. That extra 4gb of ram uses virtually no more battery and perks up the phone.
Under heavy app loading it's really great to have.
EtherealRemnant said:
The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.
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Hmmmm it does use more battery buddy, plus do you see a benefit from it? I've never maxed out 8GB on any phone lol.
Each to their own, but don't tell me there isn't an overhead for more RAM because there is.
I wish there wasn't but there is.
Either way, was just making a comment. I have my phone so I honestly couldn't care less, haven't you got a 9 pro anyway? You're on the 10 forums more than the 9
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Exactly. That extra 4gb of ram uses virtually no more battery and perks up the phone.
Under heavy app loading it's really great to have.
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What does it help? Just honestly one situation it benefits.
I've got my zRAM off, I use a lot of RAM because of it...I had the 12GB 8 pro before this and the difference in ability to multi task is negligible. I honestly don't think any apps utilise it.
If it was a game changer i would never have gone for 8.
We should do some tests, see how the 12 matches up to the 8. I think the difference will be minor at best.
Battery wise I'm still waiting to get knocked off my perch with 11+ hours SOT with nornal ish usage
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Hmmmm it does use more battery buddy, plus do you see a benefit from it? I've never maxed out 8GB on any phone lol.
Each to their own, but don't tell me there isn't an overhead for more RAM because there is.
I wish there wasn't but there is.
Either way, was just making a comment. I have my phone so I honestly couldn't care less, haven't you got a 9 pro anyway? You're on the 10 forums more than the 9
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People who play lots of mobile games notice a difference. I have stuff get closed on me all the time when I am switching between apps even without lots of gaming. 12GB would have been my ideal but I didn't want to spend the money.
Power consumption doesn't necessarily increase all that much if the chip is binned better, which usually is what happens with higher capacity modules.
I have a 9 but I read the 9 Pro and 10 Pro forums too.
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What does it help? Just honestly one situation it benefits.
I've got my zRAM off, I use a lot of RAM because of it...I had the 12GB 8 pro before this and the difference in ability to multi task is negligible. I honestly don't think any apps utilise it.
If it was a game changer i would never have gone for 8.
We should do some tests, see how the 12 matches up to the 8. I think the difference will be minor at best.
Battery wise I'm still waiting to get knocked off my perch with 11+ hours SOT with nornal ish usage
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Watch to ancient N10+ completely grease the S22U in the last minutes of this vid.
Appalling the S22U even with a light load wasn't that much faster loading apps.
The S22U used had 8gb of ram vs the N10+'s 12gb. That likely played a large part in this. I wish they had used the 12gb variant as well in this test. Also unknown is the N10+'s OS version, presumably 11; how would one loaded with Android 9 and 10 done?
These are the things mainstream reviewers ignore as they whistle past the graveyard on their way to the bank.
In the Samsung lineage you don't see a huge performance drop until you go to the N9.
Extra ram is as it has always given an added measure of working capacity and future proofing.
Even the N10+'s older ram consumes little extra power, new ram is at least 20% more efficient.
Is it needed? No. Is it nice to have? Yes.
Invariably I will always go with a larger ram in any phone especially nowadays. I remember the dog days of 4gb of phone ram... it wasn't pretty.
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People who play lots of mobile games notice a difference. I have stuff get closed on me all the time when I am switching between apps even without lots of gaming. 12GB would have been my ideal but I didn't want to spend the money.
Power consumption doesn't necessarily increase all that much if the chip is binned better, which usually is what happens with higher capacity modules.
I have a 9 but I read the 9 Pro and 10 Pro forums too.
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Not talking about binning mate, I do play games so I know when there's a drop, I'm not seeing one. And i push to the limits.
Not talking about the the CPU either but powering and using but not filling an extra 4GB of RAM 100% will use more power. It's just fact buddy, I'd like to live in LA LA land but I don't.
Either way, if you can use the 12 and that's your thing then brilliant but I've never seen a user case for it.
Storage yep I'm in board with that.. But the RAM for me is a negligible upgrade for numbers and get little gains be stamina drops.
Anyway, each to their own, not bashing just don't see it as a loss to have 8 instead of 12.
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Watch to ancient N10+ completely grease the S22U in the last minutes of this vid.
Appalling the S22U even with a light load wasn't that much faster loading apps.
The S22U used had 8gb of ram vs the N10+'s 12gb. That likely played a large part in this. I wish they had used the 12gb variant as well in this test. Also unknown is the N10+'s OS version, presumably 11; how would one loaded with Android 9 and 10 done?
These are the things mainstream reviewers ignore as they whistle past the graveyard on their way to the bank.
In the Samsung lineage you don't see a huge performance drop until you go to the N9.
Extra ram is as it has always given an added measure of working capacity and future proofing.
Even the N10+'s older ram consumes little extra power, new ram is at least 20% more efficient.
Is it needed? No. Is it nice to have? Yes.
Invariably I will always go with a larger ram in any phone especially nowadays. I remember the dog days of 4gb of phone ram... it wasn't pretty.
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I understand Sammy's playing by the "rules" but let's see a 12GB OnePlus10 pro out pace an 8GB
I doubt it'll happen buddy.
More then happy to run any bench Vs any 12
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I understand Sammy's playing by the "rules" but let's see a 12GB OnePlus10 pro out pace an 8GB
I doubt it'll happen buddy.
More then happy to run any bench Vs any 12
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Doesn't really matter as this is our lot.
I stopped doing benchmarks long ago, the heatpipe is well seated
What I really like to see is the same model benchmarked and compared for practical usage/speed running Android 9 through 12.
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Not talking about binning mate, I do play games so I know when there's a drop, I'm not seeing one. And i push to the limits.
Not talking about the the CPU either but powering and using but not filling an extra 4GB of RAM 100% will use more power. It's just fact buddy, I'd like to live in LA LA land but I don't.
Either way, if you can use the 12 and that's your thing then brilliant but I've never seen a user case for it.
Storage yep I'm in board with that.. But the RAM for me is a negligible upgrade for numbers and get little gains be stamina drops.
Anyway, each to their own, not bashing just don't see it as a loss to have 8 instead of 12.
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More RAM does not automatically equal more power consumption. Higher quality silicon requires less power for the same demand and it's actually not at all uncommon for the required voltage to go down with higher density memory because it needs higher quality silicon to maintain the same ability to process tasks without errors at the same frequency and it can also be more sensitive to higher voltages that lower quality silicon handles fine. It's not really something to worry about anyway as LPDDR5 isn't anywhere near as power hungry as the main components in the phone - the CPU and GPU cores as well as the modem. It's unlikely to make any power drain difference that would be noticeable to the end user but the performance gains realized by the phone being able to dynamically cache the apps a person uses (the RAM Boost setting in your phone uses predictive pre-loading like this) most definitely is.
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More RAM does not automatically equal more power consumption. Higher quality silicon requires less power for the same demand and it's actually not at all uncommon for the required voltage to go down with higher density memory because it needs higher quality silicon to maintain the same ability to process tasks without errors at the same frequency and it can also be more sensitive to higher voltages that lower quality silicon handles fine. It's not really something to worry about anyway as LPDDR5 isn't anywhere near as power hungry as the main components in the phone - the CPU and GPU cores as well as the modem. It's unlikely to make any power drain difference that would be noticeable to the end user but the performance gains realized by the phone being able to dynamically cache the apps a person uses (the RAM Boost setting in your phone uses predictive pre-loading like this) most definitely is.
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It's not a case of higher density its a case of more modules? They all require juice to run..
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Dude Google if you don't believe me.
As I've said even without power consumption, you don't benefit from more RAM anyway. Not from 8-12 maybe from 4-6 of 6-8 but not over 8
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It's not a case of higher density its a case of more modules? They all require juice to run..
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Dude Google if you don't believe me.
As I've said even without power consumption, you don't benefit from more RAM anyway. Not from 8-12 maybe from 4-6 of 6-8 but not over 8
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Even if you are correct and it is a second module required (I am too lazy to go actually look up what LPDDR5 modules exist to prove which of us is correct), you're talking about a negligible power difference anyway. Like I said, LPDDR5 is designed to be low power (literally what the LP means), so it's not using much to begin with. What does it matter if you lose a few seconds of battery? It doesn't.
You're also saying you don't benefit without knowing one way or the other. You're painting with way too broad a brush here. I can make a virtual machine that needs 8GB of RAM right now and make use of 12GB today, that's not even taking into account the advancement of predictive algorithms using the memory to boost the speed of app launches or future changes to Android (Android's memory requirements increase practically with each new major release).
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Even if you are correct and it is a second module required (I am too lazy to go actually look up what LPDDR5 modules exist to prove which of us is correct), you're talking about a negligible power difference anyway. Like I said, LPDDR5 is designed to be low power (literally what the LP means), so it's not using much to begin with. What does it matter if you lose a few seconds of battery? It doesn't.
You're also saying you don't benefit without knowing one way or the other. You're painting with way too broad a brush here. I can make a virtual machine that needs 8GB of RAM right now and make use of 12GB today, that's not even taking into account the advancement of predictive algorithms using the memory to boost the speed of app launches or future changes to Android (Android's memory requirements increase practically with each new major release).
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How can you say I'm being too broad then mention a virtual machine?
It's a phone buddy, show me real world, get the phone and try to beat my SOT and I'll hold my hat up to you. Until then mate it's just hearsay (Depp)
Either way, it's fine man in not bothered I don't to fall out man, you've got a 9 I'm guessing you're happy, in happy with my 10 so let's leave it there yea
It's all good. I've read 12 takes more juice, my logic fun being a techie for decades supports that theory, and I've had better battery on every 8 over every 12, do the results for me at least have some for themselves.
But again, don't want to argue man.
Screw oneplus
I'm pretty ****ing pissed.
Literally bought this phone 11 days ago (6-1) from the OnePlus website. Arrived 6-9. Today is 6-11 (not even 1am EST)
Your Order #A112205313242270114(placed on 2022-05-31 01:11:57) (estimated dispatch date 2022-06-01 UTC)
Not even 48 ****ing hours and it has been outdated/replaced/demoted.
Really ****ing pissed.
Still have my 1+9, thinking about returning the 10 out of spite and then good-riddancing them for good.
Hi, there,
I was wondering if you could share real world experiences with this new flagship device (recently launched in India).
I see forum is quite silent which keeps me second guessing and I don't want to get this device if I cant get rid of MIUI.
I'm getting it at 690 USD (Indian unit) and wanted to weigh in some opinions. It's surprising that YT has very few reviews for this device when its offering somewhat the same spec of S22 Ultra at half the price. My priority is camera and decent battery life. Not a gamer or Instagram/Facebook scroller.
screen is amazing, would have preferred a flat screen, but the curve is not a negative.
battery life is highly variable. 5G enabled and dual sim in use & screen in max resolution (all things MIUI recommends against) I get about a day (~24 hour) use with about 10~20% remaining. High use and that drops to about 16 hours. On the plus side charging is FAST. Have not used the 120W charger yet, a 67W fast charger, and even a 30W wireless charger get it back to 100% quickly enough.
Have not gamed on it, so cannot comment on that, however it does get warm at times.
Main camera, using MIUI camera app, is really great, even in lower light. Telephoto and ultrawide take acceptable pictures but have not used them much at all, the fixed focus aspect is a bit disappointing though.
MIUI has improved a lot and is not a bad rom at present. Custom ROM development is probably (hopefully) still a bit slow as this has only been on the global market a few months. Really hoping for Lineage, but MIUI is ok for now, and may change to the EEA version.
Still can't help but wonder if the OnePlus 9 Pro would have been a better option (rated as better battery life, also has 5G, dual sim and same resolution screen, recent chipset without heating issues), plus has official lineageOS 19 available.
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screen is amazing, would have preferred a flat screen, but the curve is not a negative.
battery life is highly variable. 5G enabled and dual sim in use & screen in max resolution (all things MIUI recommends against) I get about a day (~24 hour) use with about 10~20% remaining. High use and that drops to about 16 hours. On the plus side charging is FAST. Have not used the 120W charger yet, a 67W fast charger, and even a 30W wireless charger get it back to 100% quickly enough.
Have not gamed on it, so cannot comment on that, however it does get warm at times.
Main camera, using MIUI camera app, is really great, even in lower light. Telephoto and ultrawide take acceptable pictures but have not used them much at all, the fixed focus aspect is a bit disappointing though.
MIUI has improved a lot and is not a bad rom at present. Custom ROM development is probably (hopefully) still a bit slow as this has only been on the global market a few months. Really hoping for Lineage, but MIUI is ok for now, and may change to the EEA version.
Still can't help but wonder if the OnePlus 9 Pro would have been a better option (rated as better battery life, also has 5G, dual sim and same resolution screen, recent chipset without heating issues), plus has official lineageOS 19 available.
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Thank you.
Regarding OnePlus, I think they've gone sideways with their last 2 releases 9 and 10. I've had tons of users having issues and regret buying the device who were otherwise satisfied with their previous versions of OnePlus.
If it is not a rush purchase (mine was as my previous daily driver died) you could wait and see if they release the K50 Pro globally under the POCO brand, with a snapdragon chipset.
The K50 Pro really ticked all the boxes for me, cheaper, flat high res screen, macro cam (which would be more useful for me), only issue is currently it is China only and when I checked not even xiaomi.eu were doing ROMs for it (and no kernel sources available), presumably because of the MediaTek chipset, thus also meaning highly unlikely there would be custom 3rd party roms for it ever. If they release it as a POCO with SD chipset I would probably swop my X12Pro.
OP9P seemed almost equivalent to X12Pro, but cheaper, unfortunately there were no 12/256 versions in stock anywhere nearby. Only really saw people complaining about the OP official ROM, and that there were few improvements over older hardware but that would have been my first OP phone in many years so I would not have been comparing it to older models.
murakh said:
screen is amazing, would have preferred a flat screen, but the curve is not a negative.
battery life is highly variable. 5G enabled and dual sim in use & screen in max resolution (all things MIUI recommends against) I get about a day (~24 hour) use with about 10~20% remaining. High use and that drops to about 16 hours. On the plus side charging is FAST. Have not used the 120W charger yet, a 67W fast charger, and even a 30W wireless charger get it back to 100% quickly enough.
Have not gamed on it, so cannot comment on that, however it does get warm at times.
Main camera, using MIUI camera app, is really great, even in lower light. Telephoto and ultrawide take acceptable pictures but have not used them much at all, the fixed focus aspect is a bit disappointing though.
MIUI has improved a lot and is not a bad rom at present. Custom ROM development is probably (hopefully) still a bit slow as this has only been on the global market a few months. Really hoping for Lineage, but MIUI is ok for now, and may change to the EEA version.
Still can't help but wonder if the OnePlus 9 Pro would have been a better option (rated as better battery life, also has 5G, dual sim and same resolution screen, recent chipset without heating issues), plus has official lineageOS 19 available.
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I agree with the most, but can't agree about battery life. With higher use (and I don't talk about gaming here) - camera, Twitter, Instagram, messengers etc etc, battery can drop a bit faster than I would expect. For example, I went to a concert couple of days ago - photos, videos etc ect, and in 2-3 hours, battery dropped to about 50-60% which is too much.
Still keeping to my report of "highly variable", i will also agree with the above. When actively in use (screen on, 5G mobile data in use) the battery drains faster than I feel it should.
However in standby (screen off, not actively being used) the drain seems to be quite minimal, although I think MIUI is closing or suspending apps to achieve this low standby drain.
So on days I'm home and not using the phone much I feel I could almost get 2 days from a charge, when out and about I feel it is best to have a charger of some sort available at the mid-afternoon.
If possible i would wait for the 12S series which should have better camera and new G1 surge chip (we have P1 only for charging) reducing battery drain of system in combination with snap8gen1+. Still hope for software fix of battery drain in 12 pro but the advertising for the new S implies they know the problem and fix it with hardware upgrades for future models. I like my 12 pro except battery autonomy because I paid only 750€ instead of the utopic 1150€ but simply doesn't feel like I made a big deal.
Agree with above statements that the battery is definitely not the strongest point in the 12 Pro, here's a few pics of the issue I'm currently having with the Wi-fi , and no matter which settings I try with the Wi-fi drain just doesn't dissapear, I'm almost on the verge of returning the phone due to this and maybe aiming for a Sony instead.
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Agree with above statements that the battery is definitely not the strongest point in the 12 Pro, here's a few pics of the issue I'm currently having with the Wi-fi , and no matter which settings I try with the Wi-fi drain just doesn't dissapear, I'm almost on the verge of returning the phone due to this and maybe aiming for a Sony instead.View attachment 5650201
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Hello I believe the stats are simply wrong for wlan. If 1267mAh are 50% of the drain you should have lost 2500mAh and this is not from 100 to 73%.
Overall your stats with 15hrs and 2hrs SOT (should drain about 20%) are OK with this phone.
The thing is SD8 gen 1 is battery hungry process. Mi guys should include GOS like feature in miui like samsung did. You can see in some tech videos it s22 ultra gives good battery life but a little less performance than X12 pro.
Hi,
I have used OnePlus 9 pro and then shifted to Xiaomi 12 pro after its launch.
I can assure you this device is far more better in every aspect except cameras when compared to OnePlus 9 pro,
Oxygen OS 12 is ****ty meanwhile MIUI 13 here in X12pro is amazingly fluid while I faced many bugs in my usage nothing ground breaking or permanent,
As everyone else mentioned display is the best I have ever used, even gaming is very fluid I play apex legends & mobile legends daily & never faced any lags or other issue, even with just around 20% charge left mobile Legends game ran perfectly,
Charging speed with 120W charger with boost charge on is just mind blowing but it does heat up our device so I use boost charge rarely when I only have 10 to 15 mins time and in this case is more than enough to completely charge this device from 20/30 to 100
Cameras are great but when compared to OnePlus 9 pro they are just OK, without comparison miui Camera is one of the best out there also there is a version of miui leica camera apk extracted from Xiaomi 12S series leaked which has amazing results try it out if u can
Custom ROM development is still very slow and nearly zero, there is Xiaomi EU rom though which I am using right now EU rom gets security updates and other features far quicker than Stock ROM, I seriously suggest you to consider EU Rom
Overall considering pros and cons I always prefer Xiaomi 12 pro over OnePlus 9 pro or 10 Pro
I'm in the same boat and want to upgrade to 12pro. Currently have 11T pro which is amazing but awfully bad at the same time due to a few annoying glitches.proximity sensor being one. Seeing as 12P also has a virtual proximity sensor, how does it work? Has it been fixed or better than 11T pro? I'm constantly tapping on the screen to wake it up, when I make a call the screen keeps pressing every app available,etc then dimming so you can see anything. So hopefully 12 isn't like it. Also what's the deal with 12S pro? Are they the same phones? Not much online about it
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I'm in the same boat and want to upgrade to 12pro. Currently have 11T pro which is amazing but awfully bad at the same time due to a few annoying glitches.proximity sensor being one. Seeing as 12P also has a virtual proximity sensor, how does it work? Has it been fixed or better than 11T pro? I'm constantly tapping on the screen to wake it up, when I make a call the screen keeps pressing every app available,etc then dimming so you can see anything. So hopefully 12 isn't like it. Also what's the deal with 12S pro? Are they the same phones? Not much online about it
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no problems with the proximity sensor here! my only issue is the battery. it doesn't last that long
Evo400 said:
I'm in the same boat and want to upgrade to 12pro. Currently have 11T pro which is amazing but awfully bad at the same time due to a few annoying glitches.proximity sensor being one. Seeing as 12P also has a virtual proximity sensor, how does it work? Has it been fixed or better than 11T pro? I'm constantly tapping on the screen to wake it up, when I make a call the screen keeps pressing every app available,etc then dimming so you can see anything. So hopefully 12 isn't like it. Also what's the deal with 12S pro? Are they the same phones? Not much online about it
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in my case I have faced some issues with proximity sensor but they are very random and rare phone just doesn't automatically light up screen when I am end call or on call but have to get some contact, but very few times though it happens very rarely that it never actually bothered me but yeah battery is ok but not great in my case I generally charge it 2 times a day
Personally have been using it for couple of days now. Everything is exceptional and happy with the phone. Battery is average I would say, it will last you a day about 6hrs screen on time. Turn off 120hz, gives an additional approx 15% of charge.
Hi
Thinking about getting P7.
Some unclear topics:
1. Is it runing warm in simple use(yt.fb,browser)?
2. Does it support tap to wake and widget to lock screen?
3.Does it have widgets on screen available for mobile data,hotspot,wifi?
4. Is its camera step up compared to others flagships?
5. Does it have adds like xiaomi has in prei stalled apps. Is there bloatware? How many gb free when just opened& booted up?
6. Any bugs?
No don't, my p6p runs so much smoother and has double the performance due to the GPU, the Mali G710 on the p7 is more towards battery saving, but I don't see a difference in battery, 100% stay with p6 or p6p, the only upgrade you get really is software related
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No don't, my p6p runs so much smoother and has double the performance due to the GPU, the Mali G710 on the p7 is more towards battery saving, but I don't see a difference in battery, 100% stay with p6 or p6p, the only upgrade you get really is software related
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The GPU is only a slight downgrade in the P7, stop being so overdramatic. There's obviously something not okay with your 7.
dzincha said:
Hi
Thinking about getting P7.
Some unclear topics:
1. Is it runing warm in simple use(yt.fb,browser)?
2. Does it support tap to wake and widget to lock screen?
3.Does it have widgets on screen available for mobile data,hotspot,wifi?
4. Is its camera step up compared to others flagships?
5. Does it have adds like xiaomi has in prei stalled apps. Is there bloatware? How many gb free when just opened& booted up?
6. Any bugs?
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1. Is it runing warm in simple use(yt.fb,browser)? no
2. Does it support tap to wake and widget to lock screen? tap to wake yes...widget on lock screen? no
3.Does it have widgets on screen available for mobile data,hotspot,wifi? no stock widget...
4. Is its camera step up compared to others flagships? no, its stock android
5. Does it have adds like xiaomi has in prei stalled apps. Is there bloatware? How many gb free when just opened& booted up? no its stock android
6. Any bugs? not that I seen...
dzincha said:
Hi
Thinking about getting P7.
Some unclear topics:
1. Is it runing warm in simple use(yt.fb,browser)?
2. Does it support tap to wake and widget to lock screen?
3.Does it have widgets on screen available for mobile data,hotspot,wifi?
4. Is its camera step up compared to others flagships?
5. Does it have adds like xiaomi has in prei stalled apps. Is there bloatware? How many gb free when just opened& booted up?
6. Any bugs?
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I upgraded from a Pix3 so it's a lot faster with a lot better battery life for me. I use mine more like a phone, texter and email checker than a gamer or social media user and I use about 40%/24hr day.
1. Not running warm
2. Yes. No.
3. Kinda. It has widgets for settings shortcuts to these areas but not actual toggles/indicators.
4. I think the Google camera on this platform is excellent
5. No ads in preinstalled apps that I've seen but some would consider the Gapps as bloatware compared to AOSP
6. The fingerprint sensor/experience stinks! You should definitely google that before you buy if you're a big finterprint user.
I am using Mi note 10 now, looks like will wait till Xiaomi 13 will be available.
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I am using Mi note 10 now, looks like will wait till Xiaomi 13 will be available.
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have fun with the chinese stealing your infos
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3.Does it have widgets on screen available for mobile data,hotspot,wifi?
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Use the pull-down menu for that stuff, you can customize the buttons there.
Vio281 said:
have fun with the chinese stealing your infos
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During 3 years 0 calls from china and 0 emails or thefts.
Google is not collecting data from other android devices?
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During 3 years 0 calls from china and 0 emails or thefts.
Google is not collecting data from other android devices?
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I'm sure google do, but they walk a thin line when operating in U.S. Chinese government on the other hand...they dont care.
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I am using Mi note 10 now, looks like will wait till Xiaomi 13 will be available.
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I'm not good with the CCP but both Pixel, Samsung and Gookill Android have been degrading these phones for the last 3 years.
No expandable storage, many only have 128gb internal storage and 6-8gb of ram. One member has a thread up complaining of only 4hrs SOT with their P7.
Between scoped storage, 5G and the variable refresh rate display they tanked the SOT. For what? This Note 10+ with a degraded (and smaller) battery that's do to be replaced gets more than twice that. Dual drive 500/1000gb with better color accuracy.
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It's not just Pixels that suck; Samsung's overpriced new flagships are expensive hand warmers too. If you don't care about having a variable refresh rate display and 5G, get a new or used N10+. New ones are loaded with Android 10... don't upgrade it. Security simply isn't an issue in this case. A better balanced phone with excellent build Q and a solid workhorse.
Both Google and Samsung now are more marketing hype talk than action. That's my opinion. No trophy unless you earned it.
If your phone hw is powerfull, then it will be hand warmer in winter.
Other issue is PWM, some flagships(Mi 12t as example) declare 1920 pwm, but in lab tests it is only 120hz(info from notebookcheck review).
My another option is Xiaomi 12x( good hw, not heating, pwm high, good battery stats), but not available via carrier e-shop. Xiaomi 12 powerfull hw, heating issues and also lower battery stats). Lets see how Xiaomi 13 deals with heat,pwm,etc.
F###k no more security patches for Mi note 10 pro and also no miui 14:
Xiaomi Security Center
Xiaomi Product Security Center provides users and partners of Xiaomi with detailed information on the security status of our smartphones and IoT products, including product security advisories and notices, security updates and support information, and security incident response process.
trust.mi.com
Some redmi 9t even will get.
Strange move from Xiaomi.
I upgraded from the P6 to the P7. (I wasn't looking to upgrade, but when Google offered $479 for my P6 and the P7 was on sale for $499, it was a no brainer).
The P7 is hand down more fluid than the P6. It "feels" faster than the P6. I was actually surprised at the difference because I wasn't expecting much difference between the two.
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I upgraded from the P6 to the P7. (I wasn't looking to upgrade, but when Google offered $479 for my P6 and the P7 was on sale for $499, it was a no brainer).
The P7 is hand down more fluid than the P6. It "feels" faster than the P6. I was actually surprised at the difference because I wasn't expecting much difference between the two.
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same feeling and the fact that its getting smaller was a no brainer for me...I upgraded from 128gb p6 to 256gb p7 for 100 bucks....It'll be crazy not to take...
I honestly thought somebody at google did some wrong math and giving peopel this crazy deal...but then again its google...they are rich enough for me not to feel bad.
In what country Google offers such deals to exhange p6-p7?
It was in the US at least. However the trade-in values have already dropped and the sale prices end 12-24-22. So while you can still get the phone on sale, you can't trade in your P6 for $479 anymore. (I just checked and Google is only offering $150 for the P6).
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In what country Google offers such deals to exhange p6-p7?
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U.S but not anymore...I just exchange a p5 for p7...p5 was giving $400 and they gave 100 off for cyber monday
In Germany I got 350 euros for a apple iPhone 8 plus and payed 570 euros for the pixel 7.
Liked my pixel 6 but got a cracked screen due to bicycle crash and a new screen would have been 190 euros
Hi guys!
The problem
I currently have a base model Galaxy S22 Exynos and everything has been fine except battery life. I'm thinking of getting a Pixel 7 and I need your help to decide if it would be worth it. I have already disabled 5g and aod disabled, did most of the optimizations in the S22 thread but still, it can not last through a full day with what I would consider light use but you tell me.
My usage
I love listening to music on spotify, bt headphones, I use a lot of discord, messenger, and instagram chat, watch a lot of tiktok and youtube videos, and browse chrome. I commute and use 4g a lot. With my current usage the S22 battery discharges really fast.
S22, the good and the bad
While I love a lot about my S22, especially the high refresh rate screen sith symmetrical bezels, the battery on this phone is just plain bad and can not get me reliably through the day without battery anxiety. I feel miserable having to micro manage the battery in order to not run out of battery by the end of the day.
I am looking to buy a Pixel 7, because it ticks most of what I want in a phone:
- Good photos
- Snappy performance
- Very clean UI (although might be too clean with little customization options)
- Elegant, unique body
- High refresh rate amoled screen
So how has been your Pixel 7's battery life? While according to dxomark and gsmarena battery drain tests the P7 should have slightly better battery life, I have also read that it doesn't translate to significantly better battery life IRL usage. I don't want to upgrade if the P7 will only give me 30 more minutes of SOT, because there are a lot of things I love about the S22. S23 is too expensive atm.
So should I get rid of my S22 in favor of the Pixel 7? Do you think it would give me better battery life?
Thanks people
Edit: I bought a bluetooth headphone and listen regularly to music on spotify and mobile date when commuting to work or uni, and battery has been significantly worse. Also edited the post to be more readable.
blackrubi said:
Hi guys!
I got really fed up with how quickly my Galaxy S22 (Exynos, base model) drains even with 5g and aod disabled, did most of the optimizations in the S22 thread but still, it can not last through a full day with what I would consider light use but you tell me.
I commute a lot so half of the time im on LTE and usually use the following apps: Infinity for Reddit, Instagram, Messenger, Tiktok, Youtube, Chrome. I'm attaching a screenshot of my most impressive SOT (Although I'm usually getting 4-5) where I went from 100% to 4% and you can see what kind of apps I use on a general basis. I use 2sims and the second sim gets mediocre signal strength.
https://prnt.sc/GL09NBrv4e-r
Standby time is good, with special bixby routines that puts my phone into airplane mode during the night, but when the display is on and I actually use it, it drains so insanely quickly. And I'm not even listening to music!!!! Imagine if I actually used spotify and a bluetooth earphone, I guess I would have to keep my phone plugged into a powerbank all day? I can not even imagine what would happen if in the afternoon I would go out with my friends but would have to go home first to charge my phone or risk it running out of battery.
I am looking to buy a Pixel 7, because it ticks most of what I want in a phone:
- Good photos
- Snappy performance
- Very clean UI (although might be too clean with little customization options)
- Elegant body
- High refresh rate amoled screen
So how has been your Pixel 7's battery life? While I have read that the P7 should have a slightly better battery life, I have also read that software updates regularly mess it up. Also, I don't want to upgrade if the P7 will only give me 30 more minutes of SOT, because there are a lot of things I love about the S22. S23 is too expensive atm.
Do you think I would be able use all my applications including listening to music with bluetooth headphones, browsing and social media? I need a phone that lasts me from morning to evening and does not give me battery anxiety. I want to be able to use my phone more, which the S22 can not do.
Thanks people
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Software updates do mess up the Pixel 7 but with the February patch, I have been getting good battery life. I don't know how much SOT I get from my phone since I just charged it at the time I am writing this but every time I have 100% before I go to school, I always end up with about 50-70% by the time I get home and for the late nights around midnight, I end up with 20-40% left of battery life. To me, that's good enough for my usage since I don't game on my Pixel.
This is my battery for Pixel 7:
It took some optimizing to get it good (Stock Google) but i'd say about 2 to 3 days on one charge is no problem with normal use (no gaming).
Have the adaptive battery off, it doesn't let phone go to deep sleep.
The 0.6% per hour while screen is off is amazing for the Tensor G2 chip.
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Quite stong battery i'd say:
By the way TikTok sends massive bursts of your data sometimes. I verified with this my router and it drains battery quite alot. Just use browser version.
And i'm using 2022 August version of phone software.
New Folder said:
This is my battery for Pixel 7:
It took some optimizing to get it good (Stock Google) but i'd say about 2 to 3 days on one charge is no problem with normal use (no gaming).
Have the adaptive battery off, it doesn't let phone go to deep sleep.
The 0.6% per hour while screen is off is amazing for the Tensor G2 chip.
Quite stong battery i'd say:
By the way TikTok sends massive bursts of your data sometimes. I verified with this my router and it drains battery quite alot. Just use browser version.
And i'm using 2022 August version of phone software.
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It only seems to drain the battery when I'm actually using the app, so that's not really an issue because I'm in bed most of the times.
What about getting a wireless charging ring? Might solve your current dilemna!
blackrubi said:
Hi guys!
I got really fed up with how quickly my Galaxy S22 (Exynos, base model) drains even with 5g and aod disabled, did most of the optimizations in the S22 thread but still, it can not last through a full day with what I would consider light use but you tell me.
I commute a lot so half of the time im on LTE and usually use the following apps: Infinity for Reddit, Instagram, Messenger, Tiktok, Youtube, Chrome. I'm attaching a screenshot of my most impressive SOT (Although I'm usually getting 4-5) where I went from 100% to 4% and you can see what kind of apps I use on a general basis. I use 2sims and the second sim gets mediocre signal strength.
https://prnt.sc/GL09NBrv4e-r
Standby time is good, with special bixby routines that puts my phone into airplane mode during the night, but when the display is on and I actually use it, it drains so insanely quickly. And I'm not even listening to music!!!! Imagine if I actually used spotify and a bluetooth earphone, I guess I would have to keep my phone plugged into a powerbank all day? I can not even imagine what would happen if in the afternoon I would go out with my friends but would have to go home first to charge my phone or risk it running out of battery.
I am looking to buy a Pixel 7, because it ticks most of what I want in a phone:
- Good photos
- Snappy performance
- Very clean UI (although might be too clean with little customization options)
- Elegant body
- High refresh rate amoled screen
So how has been your Pixel 7's battery life? While I have read that the P7 should have a slightly better battery life, I have also read that software updates regularly mess it up. Also, I don't want to upgrade if the P7 will only give me 30 more minutes of SOT, because there are a lot of things I love about the S22. S23 is too expensive atm.
Do you think I would be able use all my applications including listening to music with bluetooth headphones, browsing and social media? I need a phone that lasts me from morning to evening and does not give me battery anxiety. I want to be able to use my phone more, which the S22 can not do.
Thanks people
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Pixel phones are basically Android equivalent of iPhones. By that I mean you'll miss a lot of useful features if moving from other brands.
Pixel phones are just about their cameras. Although cameras are a very important consideration, there are several other equally (may be more) important things to consider when evaluating a smartphone.
The so called 'clean' or 'Stock Android' experience doesn't translate to better performance or battery life. On the contrary, they are actually worse compared to competition. The UI is overrated and cannot compensate for the lack of so many useful features present on Samsung and all Chinese brands.
If you are fine with good cameras (i.e. being absolute best isn't a requirement), you can consider Vivo X90 Pro, iQOO 11, OnePlus 11, etc. since S23 is ruled out for its price.
richb518 said:
What about getting a wireless charging ring? Might solve your current dilemna!
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You are right and that is exactly what i was thinking. There exists a couple of magsafe wireless powerbanks that I could use and I already have magsafe rings that I can attach to any case I want.
But
1. I don't think the powerbanks would actually fit, because they would be blocked by the camera bump so they wouldn't sit flush with the back glass.
2. I don't want to play this minigame where i micro manage my phone to see where when and how I can charge it. I am also not into randomly whipping out a powerbank that's twice as thick as my phone because it can't hold a charge for more than a few hours.
Hence, I've decided to switch.
TheMystic said:
Pixel phones are basically Android equivalent of iPhones. By that I mean you'll miss a lot of useful features if moving from other brands.
Pixel phones are just about their cameras. Although cameras are a very important consideration, there are several other equally (may be more) important things to consider when evaluating a smartphone.
The so called 'clean' or 'Stock Android' experience doesn't translate to better performance or battery life. On the contrary, they are actually worse compared to competition. The UI is overrated and cannot compensate for the lack of so many useful features present on Samsung and all Chinese brands.
If you are fine with good cameras (i.e. being absolute best isn't a requirement), you can consider Vivo X90 Pro, iQOO 11, OnePlus 11, etc. since S23 is ruled out for its price.
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Unfortunately, the first 2 are not available in my country and the Oneplus 11 is above my budget.
I am aware that Google's version of android has it's limitation, however, I love the clean, bloat-free UI and the phone looks so insanely cool! It also has relatively thin bezels, good high refresh rate screen. It ticks most of my criterias for a phone just like my S22, the only thing that keep's me from switching is not knowing how much better the battery life would be.
Although I do have to say that from 100-7% I got 6h 26m of SOT (Lots of tiktok, instagram, chrome, discord, infinity, messenger and tinder) and 21h 7m standby, so perhaps maybe I'm the one being out of touch how long batteries should last?
blackrubi said:
I love the clean, bloat-free UI
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If you spend a little bit time, any OEM version of Android can be made super clean. And the several built-in useful features that are not available on Pixels will make the overall experience much better.
blackrubi said:
Although I do have to say that from 100-7% I got 6h 26m of SOT (Lots of tiktok, instagram, chrome, discord, infinity, messenger and tinder) and 21h 7m standby, so perhaps maybe I'm the one being out of touch how long batteries should last?
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I'm pretty sure the Pixel 7 won't last this long, i.e. you are sure to see disappointment if you switch to it from your current phone.
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If you spend a little bit time, any OEM version of Android can be made super clean. And the several built-in useful features that are not available on Pixels will make the overall experience much better.
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The Pixel Launcher looks the best by far in my opinion. I am aware that custom launchers exist buy they can only mimic the real experience to a degree.
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I'm pretty sure the Pixel 7 won't last this long, i.e. you are sure to see disappointment if you switch to it from your current phone.
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I hope I can gaslight myself into thinking that I'm being unreasonable and this is absolutely fine battery life before I get my paycheck next month. According to dxomark, gsmarena and battery drain tests, the Pixel 7 should be much better for browsing and social media.
blackrubi said:
The Pixel Launcher looks the best by far in my opinion. I am aware that custom launchers exist buy they can only mimic the real experience to a degree.
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I'm not talking about launcher features at all. There are several features built-in at the software level on OEM builds such as Samsung's OneUI, OnePlus' Oxygen OS, iQOO's FunTouch OS, etc. that do not have a solution using 3rd party apps. So Pixel users will have to live without these features, and it is a difficult proposition for those who come from other brands.
blackrubi said:
I hope I can gaslight myself into thinking that I'm being unreasonable and this is absolutely fine battery life before I get my paycheck next month.
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6 hours of SOT with 20 hours of standby is quite good by today's standards. I don't think Pixel will last this long. With some Chinese brands like iQOO, Vivo, OnePlus, etc., you can expect to get an extra hour or two of battery life.
blackrubi said:
According to dxomark, gsmarena and battery drain tests, the Pixel 7 should be much better for browsing and social media.
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Online tests do not usually represent real life usage.
TheMystic said:
Pixel phones are basically Android equivalent of iPhones. By that I mean you'll miss a lot of useful features if moving from other brands.
Pixel phones are just about their cameras. Although cameras are a very important consideration, there are several other equally (may be more) important things to consider when evaluating a smartphone.
The so called 'clean' or 'Stock Android' experience doesn't translate to better performance or battery life. On the contrary, they are actually worse compared to competition. The UI is overrated and cannot compensate for the lack of so many useful features present on Samsung and all Chinese brands.
If you are fine with good cameras (i.e. being absolute best isn't a requirement), you can consider Vivo X90 Pro, iQOO 11, OnePlus 11, etc. since S23 is ruled out for its price.
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I totally do not agree at all with this.
I've been using the pixel 5 until recently and had all OnePlus devices up until the 5t. They were great and eben superior to the pixels.
Now I use the pixel 7 pro and it's absolutely amazing in pretty every aspect I can think of.
I only wished it was smaller and made of aluminum, just as the 5 was.
Anyways, before purchasing the p7p,I tried the s22 and hated it pretty much immediately.
That thing is cluttered with tons of software no one needs. Yes, there are dinner features that's might be useful, but not many. And if I want to, I can always find similar apps on there playstore.
What I can't do, is get rid of most of these apps, as they are baked into the system.
Comparing the s22 and the p7p I found the pixel much snappier, which is ridiculous, considering the in theory much more powerful hardware.
Battery life on the s22 was ok, but not brilliant on WLAN. Maybe 6 hours of sot with mostly reading on website and streaming media.Battery life.
Battery life on the p7p in WLAN was about 10-11 hours!
I can't say though how good it is outside of wlan as I only own it for a couple days and still use my old phone until I have all logins etc ready.
Anyways, I'm not missing any relevant features on the p7p, photos are great, it's snappier, than the s22 and updates come all the time.
My recommendation is to get the p7 or 07p instead of the s22.
The only downside really is the size.
deevil_2000 said:
I totally do not agree at all with this.
I've been using the pixel 5 until recently and had all OnePlus devices up until the 5t. They were great and eben superior to the pixels.
Now I use the pixel 7 pro and it's absolutely amazing in pretty every aspect I can think of.
I only wished it was smaller and made of aluminum, just as the 5 was.
Anyways, before purchasing the p7p,I tried the s22 and hated it pretty much immediately.
That thing is cluttered with tons of software no one needs. Yes, there are dinner features that's might be useful, but not many. And if I want to, I can always find similar apps on there playstore.
What I can't do, is get rid of most of these apps, as they are baked into the system.
Comparing the s22 and the p7p I found the pixel much snappier, which is ridiculous, considering the in theory much more powerful hardware.
Battery life on the s22 was ok, but not brilliant on WLAN. Maybe 6 hours of sot with mostly reading on website and streaming media.Battery life.
Battery life on the p7p in WLAN was about 10-11 hours!
I can't say though how good it is outside of wlan as I only own it for a couple days and still use my old phone until I have all logins etc ready.
Anyways, I'm not missing any relevant features on the p7p, photos are great, it's snappier, than the s22 and updates come all the time.
My recommendation is to get the p7 or 07p instead of the s22.
The only downside really is the size.
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The most important benefit of having a feature built into the system is the quality of output. Third party apps do not always provide the same experience. That is also because of restrictions placed on them. System apps have a higher privilege set than user apps. Take for example, Scrolling Screenshots. Or Call Recording.
This is why I prefer OEM builds over Stock Android because 3rd party apps fail to provide quality output, both due to Android restrictions as well as due to lack of proper optimizations.
I have seen several reviews of Pixels and don't remember seeing anything that makes them stand out in terms of performance or battery life. So the whole purpose of having a 'clean' software is defeated.
That said, I have written a post where I have compared the software features of various OEM builds. Since I don't own a device from each brand, I need confirmation from real users of respective devices.
There are about 25 features that I really look forward to on my smartphones, and the lack of availability of some of those are indeed deal breakers for me. For example, lack of gesture support for system navigation when using 3rd party launchers on Xiaomi devices alone is a reason why I wouldn't buy them!
As far as Pixels are concerned, there is only one feature that they have that no other phones have: offline transcription with voice recordings. But Pixels lack many features that other OEM builds offer, enough to rule them out in the purchase decision.
Can you tell me which of the features listed there are available on Pixel phones? This will give clarity on what to expect from Pixel devices.
Here is the link:
Comparing Android 13 features of different OEMs | XDA Forums (xda-developers.com)
how u get 6.5h SOT and 20h standby on s22? all wifi? my s22 like ****, and even my pixel 7 cant get beat ur s22. my pixel only like 4.5h SOT and 20h standby I don'thabe WiFi.
so I don't recommend u downgrad ur phone to pixel 7.and I only use LTE, I don't using 5G, if I open 5G, this phone gonna burning. I do have customized ROM and kernel. just like TheMystic saying, i dont think Pixel 7 will last this long
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how u get 6.5h SOT and 20h standby on s22? all wifi? my s22 like ****, and even my pixel 7 cant get beat ur s22. my pixel only like 4.5h SOT and 20h standby I don'thabe WiFi.
so I don't recommend u downgrad ur phone to pixel 7.and I only use LTE, I don't using 5G, if I open 5G, this phone gonna burning. I do have customized ROM and kernel. just like TheMystic saying, i dont think Pixel 7 will last this long
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Sorry bro, but this was painful to read. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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how u get 6.5h SOT and 20h standby on s22? all wifi? my s22 like ****, and even my pixel 7 cant get beat ur s22. my pixel only like 4.5h SOT and 20h standby I don'thabe WiFi.
so I don't recommend u downgrad ur phone to pixel 7.and I only use LTE, I don't using 5G, if I open 5G, this phone gonna burning. I do have customized ROM and kernel. just like TheMystic saying, i dont think Pixel 7 will last this long
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Wait.... this is considered good SOT? Have I been living under a rock? I will **** my pants if watching videos and social media / browsing infinity reddit is considered heavy usage to the point that it is surprising that I got 6.5h SOT.
Most of it was on Wi-Fi, around 30% was on mobile data (4G). I have 5G disabled as my mobile carrier doesn't support it. I have also disabled a bunch of apps through adb, disabled execution of cached apps, most of my apps are in deep sleep and I don't have any applications installed that I don't use. I also use bixby routines to minimize overnight drain. I also have adaptive battery enabled. I also have bixby routines to turn on power saving mode when using power hungry apps. I'm on One UI 5.0 and will not upgrade to 5.1 because of insanely buggy software. That's it
The battery life questions about the Pixel 7 still stands, and I am looking even more into getting rid of my S22 as battery life has been significantly worse after getting a bt headphone and listening to music.
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The battery life questions about the Pixel 7 still stands, and I am looking even more into getting rid of my S22 as battery life has been significantly worse after getting a bt headphone and listening to music.
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My answer still stands. Don't expect magic from Pixel 7. The battery life you quoted for your S22 is what we see usually in premium phones, although it would vary depending on the quality and number of apps installed.
You can consider Motorola phones. Their cameras are very good and will give you 'Stock Android' like experience (aka lack of many useful features), since iQOO, Vivo, OnePlus and Xiaomi phones are probably not selling where you live.
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My answer still stands. Don't expect magic from Pixel 7. The battery life you quoted for your S22 is what we see usually in premium phones, although it would vary depending on the quality and number of apps installed.
You can consider Motorola phones. Their cameras are very good and will give you 'Stock Android' like experience (aka lack of many useful features), since iQOO, Vivo, OnePlus and Xiaomi phones are probably not selling where you live.
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It's uni season so I'm on the go much more often. I don't get nearly as much SOT as I have previously. My questions wasn't if the S22's battery life is okay but rather if the Pixel 7 could give me more autonomy.
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It's uni season so I'm on the go much more often. I don't get nearly as much SOT as I have previously. My questions wasn't if the S22's battery life is okay but rather if the Pixel 7 could give me more autonomy.
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Pixel phones are only about their cameras. There is nothing special about stock Android or their so called 'clean' software (I have already explained why that is so). And you get great cameras (if not absolute best) with other brands too.
Have you considered doing a factory reset of your S22? That might help. Also try and stick with installing only the essential apps that you use regularly.
I might also add something here. I can relate to how you feel. You have kind of tuned your mind to get the Pixel 7 now. If you can resist this urge for a month or two, the desire to buy it will fade away.
The reason I suggest you don't make the switch is primarily because I think it won't serve the purpose you're looking for. Or at the very least, won't justify losing money on the S22 and spending on getting the Pixel 7, unless there is a really good deal on offer.