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Just wondering, I found these:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...t_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
They are the correct micro USB charging units, but they are designed for Blackberry smartphones...Will these properly and safely charge our HD2's?
I love the folding plug design.
Hello Free Man:
FWIW..I had purchased one of these exact items from amazon. Haven't used it yet but I read the backpanel and the output is 5v @ 700ma. If you look at the backpanel specs for the wall charger shipped with your unit from HTC it'll show 5v @ 1A on the output. So the unit will work but will take slightly longer, I think.
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Well as long as it is safe to use, mine should be here in a few days. I would think it would simply take 30% longer to do a full charge and I am only really using the unit to charge overnight when on the road in hotels, so that is really not an issue as a full charge only takes a short time.
Anyone else want to step in and comment on the lower rating?
You are correct, this charger will take longer to fully charge the battery.
Just like charging from a PC USB port takes even longer since that only provides 500mA maximum.
It is absolutely safe to use chargers with lower ampere rating, the downside is that you will either get longer charge time it your device won't charge at all. But nothing will burn or explode.
So you are saying my device will charge safely, just take 30% longer? You mentioned something about it not charging at all, why would it not charge?
Will this shorten the batter life or anything to that affect? Thanks!
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It is absolutely safe to use chargers with lower ampere rating, the downside is that you will either get longer charge time it your device won't charge at all. But nothing will burn or explode.
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So you are saying my device will charge safely, just take 30% longer? You mentioned something about it not charging at all, why would it not charge?
Will this shorten the batter life or anything to that affect? Thanks!
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It may not charge at all if the device you are charging needs a certain amount of amperage in order to charge the battery.
No, this will not affect the battery life or anything to that affect.
Thanks, I plugged it in and charged it for 3 minutes and it did begin charging from 69 to 80% in that period, so it works fine and is quite fast. This battery charges fast in my experience.
Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
could be the amp? maybe below 1 amp? Samsung charger has 2amps om it. check your charger and look for the amp. btw. the lower the amp the better for your battery..
Buy an OEM charger. The Samsung one is $50 from Samsung website but you can get the Asus charger from Google play store for $25. Both are two ampbi believe. Or you can get the 1a for $25 from samsung. Getting OEM directly from an OEM or authorized reseller or a storefront lime Google is key. Getting cheap chargers is gonna bite you in the ass one day or think about it like this. Why keep wasting time buying cheap chargers again and again when you can put up proper money and get quality in one go and have peace of mind for a few years. I even stopped buying chargers from amazon because they're just cheap knockoffs too. Phi hong makes good chargers and power supplies but they are harder to source. Phi hong came with my nexus one andy galaxy nexus OEM Home dock.
Anyways, aside from that part of the reason for slow charging is you probably have an unsafe charger that is not rated what it really is and is made of poor materials. Getting a quality 1a or higher, preferably 2a in this case and your gnote2 should charge @ 1.8a. In other words, you can charge from zero to full in ~2-2.5 hours. Or from partially full to 100% in less than 2 easily.
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
Yes...charging just the battery with wall charger.
@ 40% it will not be charged at 6am when I wake!!!
Are there better wall chargers?
Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
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Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Not for the phone, for me. It just bothers me having a wireless device locked to a wall. There's no reason for it. And I frequently get up in the night for various reasons (kids, work, insomnia, etc), and it bugs me unplugging in the middle of a charge cycle.
Incidentally, a non-removable battery was a deal breaker, and one of the reasons I didn't get a Nexus 4. I got used to never plugging in my last phone, and I don't want to go back. It was torture the first week or two with the N2 before my spare batteries arrived.
The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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It looks like the OEM battery charger is available on ebay for around $15. That's good to know in case mine ever crap out on me. These cheapies that I get tend to.
As far as the back cover getting loose, after 3 months, it is a little bit looser than when it was new. 1.5 years with my G2x didn't loosen it at all, but the build quality on that thing was fantastic. I keep this in a case anyway, so it being a little looser goes unnoticed. If it gets bad, back cover replacements are cheap.
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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But what is the point of having it charge fast, when all it is is going to drain faster?
I charge mine overnight with a charger rated at 750mah I believe and it last me a whole day. As oppose to using a 2.1 am charger I have, where the battery percentage would start dropping by the first hour.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but this is what I've notice with my last few phones.
The Perseus kernel with stweaks has the ability to change the charging parameters.
With it overclocked/undervolted I am getting better life than I did on stock.
Not for sure what you mean as it depleting the charge faster on a higher amperage charger. Kind of sounds like you may have had failing batteries, etc.
There seem to be a few misunderstandings here regarding batteries and chargers.
1) The charge rate, when the battery is in the phone, is controlled BY the phone. The charger itself just supplies regulated power to the phone. How much current is put into the battery at any given time is up to the phone, which is why kernels can do things like fast charge, it's controlled by the kernel. Now, the reason the battery charges faster when using the stock charger vs. something lower current or a computer is simple. The phone can detect what it's connected to within some limitations. It sounds like our phone can also sense the incoming voltage levels and back off if the supply becomes unstable.
2) Using the stock 2A charger is "harder" on the battery than a lower current charger. Not true, at least not within any margin of error you will be able to detect without specialized equipment. Lipo batteries are generally built to charge/discharge at 1C. C in this case stands for capacity. So our 3100mah batteries can charge at 3.1Amp and be within safety margin. So the 2Amp charger the phone comes with is perfectly fine for the battery. Without seeing a datasheet for the battery from Samsung, that's a good guess. And again, the phone controls the charge current based on a number of parameters. You could connect the phone to a 5V supply capable of 100Amp and it will still only use what it needs.
3) The percentage readout on the phone screen is a GUESS. Don't pay it too much attention. For this same reason, evaluating 3rd party batteries based on phone runtime etc is not useful. To validate the battery capacity with any accuracy requires a test setup discharging the battery through a known load and measuring how long it takes to get to a cutoff voltage. I've done some of these tests myself on stock and 3rd party batteries. In general, the OEM batteries are always at or above spec, the 3rd party battery manufacturers lie. Often by upward of 20%. Even the high $ batteries. Keep that in mind when shopping if you want extras or extended batteries.
4) Interrupting the charge cycle is bad. Nope. It's fine. On this same line of thought, full cycles ARE bad. Don't do it. Don't think too much about it either though. Just plug it in when convenient. Or set it on the wireless charger if you've installed one. Generally speaking, they actually don't like to be charged to 100% either. Keeping it at 20%-80% is actually best for the longevity of the battery cell itself. In practice, you will probably have a new phone before any of this is actually noticeable.
The OP sounds like they are talking about a stand-alone charger, where the battery is not in the phone. Those will vary wildly in quality and capability, particularly from ebay. They are probably cheap POS devices. Not that that's really a bad thing, just know about it. It's probably a very low charge rate device, perhaps even down to 100ma or so. That would take forever to charge our larger batteries. As for if there is a better one, probably. If Samsung makes one, it will probably charge faster than the phone with the provided charger plug as there would be no load from the phone using power. Of course, it will cost a lot more as well. Look for devices that at least claim they will charge at 2Amp or so. In practice, they will probably be a lot lower, but your chances are improved. Not many people will break out an ammeter and check, after all.
UnixSlayer said:
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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Perseus kernal has fast charging settings.
What ttabbal wrote is mostly correct. But the problem lies within some input voltage protection logic tied to the charger chip of the phone which is extremely (and too much so) sensitive.
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Perseus kernal has fast charging settings.
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Can people stop calling it fast-charge, it's an idiotic term which technically means nothing. While most kernels have some sort of charging speed configuration options, they're all useless in regard to this problem as the current in the end is decided by a different logic. You'll have to disable unstable power detection and that's the only way to make it work and fix the problem, unless you go hunting down high quality cables and chargers.
Personally I also encountered the problem as my stock S3 charger, as many others here have reported, has deteriorated and it would only charge at an effective 300mA. I disabled unstable power detection and now it charges at the full given current limits, without any issues.
rockky said:
Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
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You have to make sure it's "2a" charger capacity. It happened to me once. Go to monoprice.com and search for a universal 2a charger... pretty cheap
Hi everyone, I'm looking for more info about the fast charge function of the Note 4: I can read on the charger that it either provides 5 on 9V. Does this mean that I can supply 9V on the USB port to fast charge my note 4 ? Does anyone know how the charger detects wheher it it should supply 5 or 9V?
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for more info about the fast charge function of the Note 4: I can read on the charger that it either provides 5 on 9V. Does this mean that I can supply 9V on the USB port to fast charge my note 4 ? Does anyone know how the charger detects wheher it it should supply 5 or 9V?
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Yes, it means that that charger will deliver power at 9 V (at 1.67 A) to the phone.
As for how it decides which voltage/current to use, it'll be as a function of the battery's charge level, temperature, and probably some other factors, but that's getting into some very specific settings for the phone/charger system by that point.
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Yes, it means that that charger will deliver power at 9 V (at 1.67 A) to the phone.
As for how it decides which voltage/current to use, it'll be as a function of the battery's charge level, temperature, and probably some other factors, but that's getting into some very specific settings for the phone/charger system by that point.
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thanks for the quick reply! I've got a couple of Dc Converters (buck) and lipo batteries (11.1V) and was wondering how the phone signals the charger it can accept 9V and if I can use my DC step down to feed the phone with9V...
I guess I will have to try
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thanks for the quick reply! I've got a couple of Dc Converters (buck) and lipo batteries (11.1V) and was wondering how the phone signals the charger it can accept 9V and if I can use my DC step down to feed the phone with9V...
I guess I will have to try
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I guess it requires original charger for that function, probably with kernel modification you can disable that only 9v OEM charger use for QC
Hello guys ! Do you think this fast charging function is alright for the battery ? as far as i know high current may damage the battery .
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Hello guys ! Do you think this fast charging function is alright for the battery ? as far as i know high current may damage the battery .
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I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.
ozaghloul said:
I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.
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Thank you for the quick replay mate , I have switched this feature off as well for the same reason I charge my smartphone during the night
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I agree that it might be damaging to the battery (but obviously not extremely damaging). Why else would there be the option to switch off fast charging? I've switched mine off anyway because I have no use for it as my phone charges overnight and makes no difference how quickly it gets to 100%.
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I personally thought the option to disable Fast Charging was Samsungs' way of reminding us, or letting the uninformed know, that it can do it.
The generally accepted rule amongst radio control hobbyists is that provided the battery is well made, it's not the current that'll kill a battery - it's overcharging it (over 4.2V per cell on a LiPo). Provided that the charging circuit is good (and I have no doubt it is of a high quality) we shouldn't see any degradation in battery life when used with the fast charge process.
Others may chime in with more info, but that's how I understand it.
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The generally accepted rule amongst radio control hobbyists is that provided the battery is well made, it's not the current that'll kill a battery - it's overcharging it (over 4.2V per cell on a LiPo). Provided that the charging circuit is good (and I have no doubt it is of a high quality) we shouldn't see any degradation in battery life when used with the fast charge process.
Others may chime in with more info, but that's how I understand it.
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l believe the fast charge is safe for the battery as it charges it at 1C (=1hr charge) which is actually not so fast.
Here is my tip: I have an old charger to charge overnight and use the mote 4 charger only for fast charging during the day (I leave it in my bag). I'm actually lookingfor a way to make a fast charging battery bank.
So here is my question again: has anyone tried supplying 9V to the phone ?
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its charging up the whole battery in about an hour, i really like that and the battery gives me a full day
So far right now i can talk for about an hour and play games for about an hour and leave it on overnight and all day and still have 82% left. I'm super impressed!
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So far right now i can talk for about an hour and play games for about an hour and leave it on overnight and all day and still have 82% left. I'm super impressed!
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YOAH!!! Thats insane!
I know that the amperage on the charger is huge in its speed.
I used many custom Roms and kernels in the past on other phones with fast charge. I used several chargers and always charged much quicker with higher amperage outputs. Some were as low as 300 MA to as high as 1.2A. This is why the amperage is so high on this phones charger. The voltage is needed to push the charge quicker. Good luck finding high A charger at 9v.
My 1.2A charger i use as backup is much faster then the 500/700ma ones I have but they are all 5v and can't compete with fast charge.
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I'm also looking for a power bank that would be able to charge at
- 5V 2A,
- 5.5V (Galaxy Tab S)
- 9V (Note 4).
- with 2x18650
- able to charge itself fast too;
- charge-through (charging a device while changing itself).
i now have this ENB model, but it does not deliver 2A to Tab S (and charges at 5V not 5.5).
And it charges itself with 1A even from 2A-capable power supply.
Hi all,
I notice something that the note 4 does not charge fast after I installed S-View cover (original one), although an indication appeared that it is using the fast charging function.
I guessed it assume that the cover is open and charge slower. However, if I removed the S-View it charge noticeably faster.
Do you think this a bug in firmware ??
Thank you,
The so-called USB fast chargers query the device to be charged. Devices capable of fast charging at 9V DC have additional circuitry in their USB ports that the charger can detect. If the charger doesn't detect the circuitry, it falls back to 5V DC mode, like any other USB charger. Assuming the fast charger is functioning correctly, it should not over-charge an older phone or tablet that doesn't support fast charging; it will simply take as long as the original "dumb" USB charger did.
I've just come over from a Samsung s8 plus that was unfortunately stolen without insurance and couldn't quite bring myself to fork out another insane price for another one. Purchased this OP5 carrier free @ my local o2 here in England (as i had a £150 voucher).
As a consequence, I have accumulated a large amount of both Quick Charge and Samsung adaptive fast chargers.
It seems that the OP5 charges very quickly on these which relieved me, I would say def on a similar level to QC 2.0 and the Samsung.
of course the Dash charge is just ridiculously quick.
i was reading that the OP5 does not support quick charge and only dash charge.
I beg to differ?
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I've just come over from a Samsung s8 plus that was unfortunately stolen without insurance and couldn't quite bring myself to fork out another insane price for another one. Purchased this OP5 carrier free @ my local o2 here in England (as i had a £150 voucher and .
As a consequence, I have accumulated a large amount of both Quick Charge and Samsung adaptive fast chargers.
It seems that the OP5 seems to charge very quickly on these which relieved me, I would say def on a similar level to QC 2.0 and the Samsung.
of course the Dash charge is just ridiculously quick.
i was reading that the OP5 does not support quick charge and only dash charge.
I beg to differ?
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I'd be hesitant to use a QC adapter with the OP5. You're taking a risk of damaging the battery, or worse, the phone. There are most likely slight difference in the charging logic between the two adapters. I'd email OP support to get more info.
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seems to work just fine, i doubt an adaptive fast charger will cause damage as it will act like a regular usb charger. will ask- cheers
Different charger wont damage anything people.
Lithium based charging system is more complicated as acid or Ni based battery, but simple.
1 rule for the power supply, it need to keep the power output the more stable as possible. So use high qality charger, samsumg are just fine. I'm using a HTC.
You can take any charger you want @ 5v. from 0A to 4A. You can use a 100A, but the phone will draw only waht it need, and the wire gauge will limit the power draw.
Let say the wire is too small, the voltage will drop, the chip will detect it and reduce the demand.
dash charging or fast charging are just brand name, the physics is the same. The power supply has a higher wattage, because the device can take it.
And the USB wire has a higher gauge compared at standard.
Use dash chager on a old phone, and you wont have any benefit if the phone draw only 700mA.
Or simply take a desk adjustable power supply, set it @ 5v4A, plug OP usb cable or any big gauge USB, and OP5 will show ''dash charging''.
Conclusion.
Depends of the voltage/amp/gauge, not the branding.
** BTW , even with cheap power bank, power supply or any supply, I really doubt it will damage anything. On my wife op3, we use any bank ( even the budwizer one), we plug it with iphone supply, 120voutlet with the usb option, dash, kindle supple, etc. annnnddd it still working juste fine. She has, ebay cable also.
Well all the stuff is in the charging brick on the dash charger. All the heat it's dealt with in the brick. That means the brick from Sammy doesn't and more heat then the phone could safely handle may do damage over time? IDK but the we all know heat kills electronics.
I use a quick charge (the one of got for my Nexus 6P) on my op5 but only at my couch so I pull it off the charger when full, don't let it sit on charge when 100%
You can let it sit on charge at 100%. Phone will disable charging anyway.
i actually think OP have stealthily allowed the qualcomm quick charge to work as it charges almost exactly as the s8 did on the sammy brick. i used a non quick charge old LG brick and that charged waaay more slowly.
honestly someone charge using a quick charge or sammy adaptive fast charge brick and tell me if im right or wrong ...
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i actually think OP have stealthily allowed the qualcomm quick charge to work as it charges almost exactly as the s8 did on the sammy brick. i used a non quick charge old LG brick and that charged waaay more slowly.
honestly someone charge using a quick charge or sammy adaptive fast charge brick and tell me if im right or wrong ...
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I only have my dash and 1 Sam qc brick rest are cheap but with dash block it obviously says dash charging, with the qc it just says charging, and with the 3rd party bricks it says charging slowly. So hope that helps
Just download an app like ampere and monitor the current using the different chargers, then you will see if it's more efficient or not.
It might charge quickly using those other chargers but the heat won't be transferred to the charger like it is with Dash charge
Likely it is QC2.. only with dash charger it will go further and faster
any 3rd party cables that are dash charge compatible?, read somewhere its based on the thickness of the wire ...
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Different charger wont damage anything people.
Lithium based charging system is more complicated as acid or Ni based battery, but simple.
1 rule for the power supply, it need to keep the power output the more stable as possible. So use high qality charger, samsumg are just fine. I'm using a HTC.
You can take any charger you want @ 5v. from 0A to 4A. You can use a 100A, but the phone will draw only waht it need, and the wire gauge will limit the power draw.
Let say the wire is too small, the voltage will drop, the chip will detect it and reduce the demand.
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I agree a 100 percent with the above, you're right, people need to stop thinking high amperage kills a phone, just like all electronics: They only draw the amperage they need.
oVeRdOsE. said:
dash charging or fast charging are just brand name, the physics is the same. The power supply has a higher wattage, because the device can take it.
And the USB wire has a higher gauge compared at standard.
Use dash chager on a old phone, and you wont have any benefit if the phone draw only 700mA.
Or simply take a desk adjustable power supply, set it @ 5v4A, plug OP usb cable or any big gauge USB, and OP5 will show ''dash charging''.
Conclusion.
Depends of the voltage/amp/gauge, not the branding.
** BTW , even with cheap power bank, power supply or any supply, I really doubt it will damage anything. On my wife op3, we use any bank ( even the budwizer one), we plug it with iphone supply, 120voutlet with the usb option, dash, kindle supple, etc. annnnddd it still working juste fine. She has, ebay cable also.
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But this is just plain wrong, dash charging has nothing to do with QC quick charge. It's as different as it can be!
QC quick charge:
The brick highers the voltage to more than 10v. This way, less amps go through the cable, the the wires can remain thin.
(P=U*I) --- e.g. --- Power = Volts * Amps --- example: 5v * 2a = 10w / 10v * 2a = 20w
This way, you can have a greater power while the amps remain the same, while using a normal, thin cable.
The voltage regulator/BCM in the phone takes the voltage down to safe levels for the battery. This creates alot of heat inside the phone, which is bad for the battery.
Dash charge:
Dash charging transfers the BCM to the charger, little to no heat is generated inside the phone!
The BCM controls the flow to the battery by altering the voltage.
U = I*R --- e.g. --- I = U/R --- e.g. --- Charging amperage = Voltage / Internal resistance of battery --- e.g. --- When the voltage is pushed up, the flow into the battery gets higher.
Remember, this is all done in the power brick, so the voltage of the electricity going through the cable is lower (3-6v I would say).
This translates to a higher current (amps), So the cables have to be thicker! That's why dash charging only works with official oneplus cables (and some OPPO cables, but those are all Micro usb).
In other words, there is no way dash charging works with other powerbricks!
I hope this clears up all the misunderstanding surrounding quick charging techniques.
Cheers!
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I agree a 100 percent with the above, you're right, people need to stop thinking high amperage kills a phone, just like all electronics: They only draw the amperage they need.
But this is just plain wrong, dash charging has nothing to do with QC quick charge. It's as different as it can be!
QC quick charge:
The brick highers the voltage to more than 10v. This way, less amps go through the cable, the the wires can remain thin.
(P=U*I) --- e.g. --- Power = Volts * Amps --- example: 5v * 2a = 10w / 10v * 2a = 20w
This way, you can have a greater power while the amps remain the same, while using a normal, thin cable.
The voltage regulator/BCM in the phone takes the voltage down to safe levels for the battery. This creates alot of heat inside the phone, which is bad for the battery.
Dash charge:
Dash charging transfers the BCM to the charger, little to no heat is generated inside the phone!
The BCM controls the flow to the battery by altering the voltage.
U = I*R --- e.g. --- I = U/R --- e.g. --- Charging amperage = Voltage / Internal resistance of battery --- e.g. --- When the voltage is pushed up, the flow into the battery gets higher.
Remember, this is all done in the power brick, so the voltage of the electricity going through the cable is lower (3-6v I would say).
This translates to a higher current (amps), So the cables have to be thicker! That's why dash charging only works with official oneplus cables (and some OPPO cables, but those are all Micro usb).
In other words, there is no way dash charging works with other powerbricks!
I hope this clears up all the misunderstanding surrounding quick charging techniques.
Cheers!
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yes i agree but it seems like the OP5 allows qualcomm quick charge (or some form of it) to work as ive checked and a quick charge brick charges much quicker than a regular non quick charge brick.
this seems like great news as the phone has a versatility between both techs. makes commercial sense for OP to allow QC (albeit at the same level as a S8 from my experience) to work as their dash tech limits brick and cable usage.
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yes i agree but it seems like the OP5 allows qualcomm quick charge (or some form of it) to work as ive checked and a quick charge brick charges much quicker than a regular non quick charge brick.
this seems like great news as the phone has a versatility between both techs. makes commercial sense for OP to allow QC (albeit at the same level as a S8 from my experience) to work as their dash tech limits brick and cable usage.
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Yes, you are right, it could be possible (although unlikely) that oneplus has adopted 2 fast charging protocols in the oneplus 5.
I was just saying it can't dash charge using a samsung adaptor/cable.
I you want, I can try to hijack some cable to read out the voltage when the oneplus5 is being charged with a samsung adaptor.
That would be very interesting to see !!
Can't seem to get it to charge as fast as the OP5 charger, will post ampere reading here in a bit.
prozo said:
Can't seem to get it to charge as fast as the OP5 charger, will post ampere reading here in a bit.
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That's impossible, read my post above to see why
I checked the voltage while charging the OP5 with a QC charger It stays at about 5 volts, so there seems to be no QC capability in the OP5.
There is no QC functionality for the OP5. Regular charging, just draws power like a phone with neither QC or Dash. You can still get a relative fast charge from a higher output brick. (output 5v 1.2a-2a) Higher the amps, the faster the charge. Of course this is dependent upon cable quality and charge logic.
I have the Samsung 25w charger, and when using it it appears the phone will only either cable charge or superfast charge. It wont also fast charge. I want to maximize the battery life span of the phone, and cable charging is inconveniently slow, and I figured that fast charging would be a happy medium between that and maxing it out. I was under the impression that it's the phone that dictates the rate of charge it will accept from the brick, and the brick only determines the maximum deliverable current. If I understand correctly, we can use samsung's 45w charger, but the phone will obviously only allow 25w from it. I'm puzzled why when using the 25w charger the phone can't just accept 15w when set to only fast charge. Is this a bug?
Hi,
You might plug in your phone, Go to Parameters, Section Battery, Advanced Battery, and activate Super charge and superfast charge in order using fast and supercharge with your 45W charger !
Yes, I've done that. The 25w charger will only super fast charge, but won't just fast charge. I would have thought it could either one, whichever I have it set to do.
if you want fast charge ..... deactivate superfast charge should be the solution ! Isn't it ?
Probably a firmware/software glitch.
Fast charging will not enable if battery temp is too low.
To avoid Li plating the battery temp should be a minimum of 72°F or higher, the preferred minimum is 80°F.
Using the 45 watt brick may shorten battery life.
Fast charging with the 25 watt brick appears to do little damage.
Li's prefer brief, frequent midrange charges ie 40-65%. Avoid discharging below 30% and charging beyond 90% although 80% is a better top limit.
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if you want fast charge ..... deactivate superfast charge should be the solution ! Isn't it ?
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No, if you only activate fast charge (with superfast deactivated) and use the 25w brick, the notification in the shade says cable charging, and that takes like 2hrs to charge the phone.
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No, if you only activate fast charge (with superfast deactivated) and use the 25w brick, the notification in the shade says cable charging, and that takes like 2hrs to charge the phone.
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That doesn't sound like fast charging is active. It should gain about 2%@minute through most of its range except the top end where it goes to about 1%@minute.
When this doesn't work correctly it's a true pain to troubleshoot. My 10+ started dropping out of fast charging prematurely. A new 25 watt brick/cable and trying a lot of other remedies still hasn't fully restored it.
I'm curious if anyone here has a 25w brick that could confirm if this behavior is present globally, or if this is something just on my device? Only activate fast charging in the battery settings, plug the phone in with the 25w charger, and look in the notification shade and see what the charge rate is tagged as. I'd be grateful if someone would confirm this.
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Probably a firmware/software glitch.
Fast charging will not enable if battery temp is too low.
To avoid Li plating the battery temp should be a minimum of 72°F or higher, the preferred minimum is 80°F.
Using the 45 watt brick may shorten battery life.
Fast charging with the 25 watt brick appears to do little damage.
Li's prefer brief, frequent midrange charges ie 40-65%. Avoid discharging below 30% and charging beyond 90% although 80% is a better top limit.
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I have noted that you practise the same charging procedures as I have done for several years (and you obviously have done as well). With my Note9 and S8 + I used to not let it drop below 40% if I can avoid it and also not go above 80%. All this is fine and most of this we all probably learned from Battery University and Isadore Buchmann. That all said, and I am really not sure if I am keeping this phone - Decision today or tomorrow - my question comes to the matter of calibration. When I received this phone some 14 days ago I charged it to 100% but thereafter did not run it down to zero but kept it above 40% the whole time. The question I put to you (and others can learn from your response) is there a need to "calibrate" the device initially (ie run down to say 10% for example once a month) as was suggested by Buchmann probably a few years ago?
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That doesn't sound like fast charging is active. It should gain about 2%@minute through most of its range except the top end where it goes to about 1%@minute.
When this doesn't work correctly it's a true pain to troubleshoot. My 10+ started dropping out of fast charging prematurely. A new 25 watt brick/cable and trying a lot of other remedies still hasn't fully restored it.
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You and I discussed this earlier. Do you think it is the port that has become damaged? Part of the reason for my getting the wireless charger is my Note 9 is very erratic when it comes to fast charging. Cleaning out the port with a toothbrush/compressed air. rebooting...wiping cache partition, new cable etc never truly fixed it for me. I do feel that when first plugging in the S21 ultra (before going wireless) the connection seemed a lot firmer.
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I'm curious if anyone here has a 25w brick that could confirm if this behavior is present globally, or if this is something just on my device?
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It does appear to be related to the Samsung 25w brick. I have the one that came with my S20U. It will "Super fast charge" my S21U no problem. If I turn off super fast charging in the phone, it only says "charging" when plugged in, and with my phone @ 65%, it said it would take well over an hour to charge (forgot the exact time). Then I took my phone w/o changing any settings to a generic 18w QC3 brick, and it said "fast charging", and said it would take 44 mins to complete.
Ive seen this same type of issue as well with 2 different chargers. One charger (45w pd) will fast charge with super turned on but not fast, notification only says fast charge. The second (39w qc3) will fast charge with regular fast charging turned on, but turning on super does nothing. Charge times are the same with both chargers on regular charging and fast, with 0 differemce between fast charging and super.
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You and I discussed this earlier. Do you think it is the port that has become damaged? Part of the reason for my getting the wireless charger is my Note 9 is very erratic when it comes to fast charging. Cleaning out the port with a toothbrush/compressed air. rebooting...wiping cache partition, new cable etc never truly fixed it for me. I do feel that when first plugging in the S21 ultra (before going wireless) the connection seemed a lot firmer.
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I'm as clueless as you at this point unfortunately.
My port is good, cable/charger, tried hard reset, cleared system/akp caches, did the recall thing and so on.
I'm wondering if it's a battery fault. Do older batteries go into fast charging the same as newer ones? It's almost as if it's throttling the fast charging, sometimes it's full bore then it drops out to 1%@45 seconds then to 1%@minute.
Or is it a calibration ie it thinks it's at 90% when it's only at 70%?
The only I haven't done is a factory reset, lol.
All this started one night when it was slow charged to 100%. WTF?
TFF the curse of technological Beast!
Guess I'll try recall again.
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It does appear to be related to the Samsung 25w brick. I have the one that came with my S20U. It will "Super fast charge" my S21U no problem. If I turn off super fast charging in the phone, it only says "charging" when plugged in, and with my phone @ 65%, it said it would take well over an hour to charge (forgot the exact time). Then I took my phone w/o changing any settings to a generic 18w QC3 brick, and it said "fast charging", and said it would take 44 mins to complete.
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Right on. Sounds like it's not just my phone. That's a relief. It's puzzling why the phone can't also fast charge with that brick. Perhaps it's simply a bug that Samsung either never noticed, or it isn't a priority to them. It would be nice if we could take advantage of the different settings without having to have two different bricks sitting around.
I think I figured it out. The fast charging setting is for the old classic fast charger. If you connect your phone to that one, you'll see it says it's fast charging. If you don't have fast charging turned on, it'll prompt you to turn it on to use that charger at it's maximum capability. If you use one of the newer Samsung C to C bricks, it's going to do the super fast charging.
I am currently using this Baseus charging plug and get full range of charging options - fast / super fast.
Thought I would try some I have hanging around before buying a Samsung one.
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a.gordon1989 said:
Ive seen this same type of issue as well with 2 different chargers. One charger (45w pd) will fast charge with super turned on but not fast, notification only says fast charge. The second (39w qc3) will fast charge with regular fast charging turned on, but turning on super does nothing. Charge times are the same with both chargers on regular charging and fast, with 0 differemce between fast charging and super.
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XDA just covered this in their article:
Fast Charging Explained: The slowest to the fastest Fast Charging technologies
Curious about fast charging? Here's everything you need to know about fast wired charging standards and how to pick the best charger!
www.xda-developers.com
Unless a charger has USB-PD PPS they will only FAST Charge @ 18w with fast charge on (super fast on/off wont matter as it will be off). If you are getting super fast charging then you are getting the expected 25w which is totally fine and not bad for battery. You will get super fast with the samsung 25w adapter and maybe the previous series 45w adapter.
I have a 45W USB-C PD port as part of an Anker PowerPort and also the 18W charger that came with my Pixel 5. Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?
Tmel14 said:
I have a 45W USB-C PD port as part of an Anker PowerPort and also the 18W charger that came with my Pixel 5. Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?
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No huge charging improvement. It most likely will degrade the battery faster.
I use only the Samsung 25w bricks because they are known good and relatively cheap.
Just picked up a 25w brick and cable for $20.
The amount of trouble a defective charging hardware can cause means I won't consider using 3rd party chargers/cables for fast charging.
Fast charging is a nightmare to troubleshoot as I'm learning now... will see if a couple full 100-0% charge cycles get it or not.
It's time consuming and irritating.
thegr8anand said:
XDA just covered this in their article:
Fast Charging Explained: The slowest to the fastest Fast Charging technologies
Curious about fast charging? Here's everything you need to know about fast wired charging standards and how to pick the best charger!
www.xda-developers.com
Unless a charger has USB-PD PPS they will only FAST Charge @ 18w with fast charge on (super fast on/off wont matter as it will be off). If you are getting super fast charging then you are getting the expected 25w which is totally fine and not bad for battery. You will get super fast with the samsung 25w adapter and maybe the previous series 45w adapter.
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Thanks for posting the link to that article. It clears some things up. Charging standards have become rather confusing with all the proprietary standards. This makes me feel more comfortable using the 25w super fast setting on the s21 ultra.