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Hi folks, I'm new MIUI8 SE user.
I've been using android for 6 years and I'm here - XDA - for 6 years
Since I got my first android phone which was Motorola XT910, I came here xda devs forum and search what can I do. I realized to install roms on android, custom roms. And after a few months I saw MIUI 4 is available for my Motorola XT910. I installed it and it looks great. I can costumize wahtever I want with MIUI4, and later it upgraded MIUI5 bla bla..
After a few years later I bought Xiaomi phone to use stock rom as MIUI. I bought Mi5 and later Mi6. Now I'm with Mi8SE (will continue )
So, I've been almost use all MIUı since 4th generation.
Now I just saw MIUI 11 China Beta released for our and mosth xiaomi phone. I wanted you to see, install this great rom to your phone too.
Here download link page.
How to install?
Just go to TWRP and wipe cache/data,
Format Factory Rest,
Install ROM,
And That's It...
Keep in mind that this is Chinese build and thus do not come with Google Play Services or any Google apps pre-installed, though they are easy to sideload. The features may also be slightly different from what you expect from global builds as well, given that they’re focused towards the Chinese market. Lastly, the language options are likely limited to English and Chinese.
We hope EU rom will be available this week. And global beta will come soon.
Changelog List
Attention – Empowering the productive
Comprehensive design optimized for fullscreen display devices
Removing visual clutter, improving touch controls, and refining the use of color allowed us to create the system where nothing stands between you and the content.
Beauty starts with text. Our fonts matured.
Now text looks gorgeous in all languages.
Now, font weight can be adjusted automatically depending on the text.
Ambient display
Ambient display now comes with gorgeous dynamic themes.
Essential information is displayed on your screen 24/7.
Personalize your device with a unique signature.
Keep your screen alive with our amazing special effects.
Sounds of nature
Wake up to the gentle sounds of nature with our new alarm ringtones.
Notification sounds won’t make you tired. Now, they keep changing dynamically, just like nature does.
Mi Share
Transfer files from phone to phone at breakneck speeds.
Mi Share works both on phones and computers.
Documents
Preview your documents before you open them.
Stay productive and efficient with our all-new Mi Doc Viewer.
Casting
MIUI allows you to cast videos, games, documents, and apps to more than 300 TV models directly from your phone.
MIUI’s casting functionality allows you to hide personal items to keep all sensitive things private.
Printing
Print photos and files directly from your phone without installing any additional apps
Trips
Plan your trips with MIUI: add your flight or train tickets, learn about the weather at your destination, get local mobile data, view the currency exchange rates, or contact your consulate abroad.
Ultra battery saver
Use this feature to challenge your device to a whole day on just 5% of the battery.
More features
Tasks. Manage and edit your tasks in the Notes app. Receive timely notifications and mark things done.
Kid space. Create a safe digital environment for your kids.
Family guard. Control connected devices to help your friends and family.
Screen time. View stats and manage your time more efficiently.
Emergency SOS. Rapidly press the Power button 5 times to send an SOS message to your emergency contacts.
Earthquake warnings. Stay safe and informed in case of an earthquake.
Quick replies. Reply to messages from any app.
Themes. Lots of free resources to make your device truly unique.
Mi Community. Get the latest news from Xiaomi, test new features, and participate in our events.
Autofill passwords. Store passwords on your device and use them whenever you need them.
Calendar. All your events in one place.
Mi AI 3.0. All-new. Much more powerful.
Security. Safeguard and optimize your device.
Game Turbo. Turn your device into an ultimate gaming console.
Screenshoots
Reserved for future important things...
Do you think the open beta will be released this week?
Is there any screenshot?
"http://bigota.d.miui.com/9.9.24/miui_MI6_9.9.24_1311e25b28_9.0.zip
redirecting to your own site is ridiculous.
Does there exist an app locker that fully works with Android 11? By "app locker" I mean an app that presents a lock screen on a per-app basis. (Fingerprint support is also good!)
Every one I've tried in Play Store fails to lock the settings, which means it's trivial to bypass by simply uninstalling (and deactivating admin for those that go at least that extra step). Note: I'm not asking for a hacker-proof locker app, just one that is not trivial to bypass for the average or moderately above average user. I do also have a proper lock screen and remote wipe enabled for deeper protection. My use case is just more of a extra bit of protection for if somebody picks up my phone while it is unlocked unattended - just the extra protection so it's not so easy to see email or messages, etc.
I had a OnePlus before getting my Pixel 5A and OxygenOS has such an app lock feature. Again, it wasn't hacker-proof, but it was also not trivial to bypass.
Root/Magisk/XPosed module suggestions are okay for me.
I really am looking into this right now, I need it too!
I found a good one. I tried a lot of different ways to bypass it, but it consistently works. Now, of course, as anybody will tell you, since it runs as a user app, there are ways to kill it (via ADB etc) so it's important to still have device-level security. This is just a defense-in-depth measure, such as when somebody is borrowing your phone or you left it unlocked unattended and want to slow down an adversary.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free
Recent reviews of Android 12 have been enticing me to check back to current changes. Personally, I enjoy Androids (nearly) full customizable & unlockable ecosystem, but the thought of being invasive by customized setups has always haunted me.
I wouldn’t describe myself as paranoid, but with interest in personal privacy protection, especially when it comes to the use of files and location sharing. As a full time Google Suite user, I’m strongly relying on Googles’ Apps and suitable solutions, across private and work.
As we see with the new Android 12 a high priority is placed on Privacy. A brand new Privacy Dashboard app, which is similar to iOS 15, reports which apps are utilizing personal information through sensors on the device. Based on these new (or partly new) implementations, I came across OPPO’s new ColorOS 12 based on Android 12, which seems to be the fastest OEM to catch up on this.
What do we know already? ColorOS 12 comes with a 100% Android Privacy Feature integration, to manage private data and features, including
Privacy Dashboard
Users can now see the type of data that is being accessed by different apps at a glance in one dashboard. OPPO, too, will be hosting this feature, with clear charts showing data and feature permissions, allowing you to see and control which apps have been extracting your data.
Microphone and Camera Indicators
With apps becoming incessantly intrusive, ColorOS 12 will rectify the situation by giving indicators if any app is using the phone’s camera or mic. A flashing icon will be displayed on the status bar to tell you which permission is being accessed by the app.
Microphone and Camera toggles
You can also instantly turn off apps permission to camera and microphone with a single tap, barricading your hardware against any future forced entry attempt via Quick Settings option.
Approximate Location
Next to the previous options of location settings by choosing between “While using the app”, “Only this time” and “Deny” you can provide apps now also an approximate location to hide your exact whereabouts.
Anti-Peeping Notification
A so far ColorOS only feature, previously named Smart Spying Prevention, should help to prevent privacy, or in this case notification content. An AI-enhanced Smart Sensor, recognizes if there’s another person watching your screen and hides content of pop up messages, probably pretty cool in public places.
All in all Android 12 sounds very promising to me. Next to all these features I am hoping that continuous software- and security upgrades will be dropped to ensure ongoing security. I’m keeping my fingers crossed, hoping that Android will do the trick and will keep you updated about my experience with OPPO and ColorOS 12.
What are your thoughts on this?
As far as I'm concerned Android 11 and 12 are dead meat. A bad Apple...
If you're careful with your configuration, load only trusted apps, run a firewall and don't to stupid things Android 9 is pretty secure and far more usable.
Android 10 is somewhat less usable, but runs well.
Android 11 is a bloody nightmare. Uses excessive resources and cpu cycles. Constant redundant access popups.
A creepy big sister of a hog. Android is in a high G flat spin, as their altitude sink rate approaches a blur all they do is firewall the throttle indents to the full afterburner position
The impending crash is inevitable☠☠☠
The irony being that Google is the biggest data miner and manipulator on the planet.
With Google you're not the customer... you are the product.
Hello,
I'm looking for a new android smartphone.
I'm hesitating between Google Pixel 6 Pro and Vivo X70 Pro+ ...
- What about the phone stability ?
- What about OriginOS, I've seen that a new version OriginOS Ocean) is coming soon ... ?
- What is your overall opinion on the phone ?
Thanks
Also I'm coming from Google Pixel 3, does the migration path is simple ? What about backup restoration (call/message history, contadts, calandars ...) ?
DomZ said:
Also I'm coming from Google Pixel 3, does the migration path is simple ? What about backup restoration (call/message history, contadts, calandars ...) ?
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I'm answering to both questions regarding my user experience.
1) The phone is totally stable. Google apps work without problem except those which required to be installed as system (Android Auto, Hotword...)
2) Origin OS Ocean is coming before new year. Its functionality is basically advanced configuration known from IOS. We'll see its advantages and also whether it will spoil current performance. I use actual system with custom launcher and removed Chinese bloatware and my phone currently looks and acts as a pure Android.
3) My overall opinion is so far in favor of the phone. I like the system, camera, screen, stability and reliability together with some solutions limited to Chinese phones. Together with the constant improvements and pledge for 3 years system upgrade, I still believe that I get the best bang for the buck.
4) Migration is straight forward with the dedicated app either from Android or IOS.
5) You can have contacts, history and messages backed on Vivo account.
Hope I helped.
piskr said:
I'm answering to both questions regarding my user experience.
1) The phone is totally stable. Google apps work without problem except those which required to be installed as system (Android Auto, Hotword...)
2) Origin OS Ocean is coming before new year. Its functionality is basically advanced configuration known from IOS. We'll see its advantages and also whether it will spoil current performance. I use actual system with custom launcher and removed Chinese bloatware and my phone currently looks and acts as a pure Android.
3) My overall opinion is so far in favor of the phone. I like the system, camera, screen, stability and reliability together with some solutions limited to Chinese phones. Together with the constant improvements and pledge for 3 years system upgrade, I still believe that I get the best bang for the buck.
4) Migration is straight forward with the dedicated app either from Android or IOS.
5) You can have contacts, history and messages backed on Vivo account.
Hope I helped.
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So i assume you have the Chinese Variant right? So it's easy to change the default launcher to something like Nova? Do gestures work with custom launcher as well?
varun.gid said:
So i assume you have the Chinese Variant right? So it's easy to change the default launcher to something like Nova? Do gestures work with custom launcher as well?
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Exactly, I have the Chinese one. But I don't use Nova, I used to, but it doesn't suit my needs any more. It is full of options I don't need and lacks the ones I want. Now I use Star launcher Prime and yes, it supports gestures.
piskr said:
Exactly, I have the Chinese one. But I don't use Nova, I used to, but it doesn't suit my needs any more. It is full of options I don't need and lacks the ones I want. Now I use Star launcher Prime and yes, it supports gestures.
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Thank you for your reply. Are you getting delayed notifications for apps? Is there a workaround?
Sorry, can't help you much with that. I don't use popular apps like Facebook, Instagram etc. Notifications for phone and messages I receive just in time as always on screen information. Same with signal but not as aos.
I use native mail app and it has minimum lag of 5 minutes by default. And I have to many mails to have notifications active for them.
Actually I hate notifications. They drain my battery and my time. Hence I use them as little as possible.
I just installed the OceanOS beta. I'm not a die-hard Android user, but I notice some nice improvements like a bigger box for grouped apps. There are a gazillion more improvements which I need to discover though, but yes, I am happy.
rquick said:
I just installed the OceanOS beta. I'm not a die-hard Android user, but I notice some nice improvements like a bigger box for grouped apps. There are a gazillion more improvements which I need to discover though, but yes, I am happy.
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I'm happy with the Ocean too. Vivo never disappoints. I will publish a quick review later
piskr said:
I'm answering to both questions regarding my user experience.
1) The phone is totally stable. Google apps work without problem except those which required to be installed as system (Android Auto, Hotword...)
2) Origin OS Ocean is coming before new year. Its functionality is basically advanced configuration known from IOS. We'll see its advantages and also whether it will spoil current performance. I use actual system with custom launcher and removed Chinese bloatware and my phone currently looks and acts as a pure Android.
3) My overall opinion is so far in favor of the phone. I like the system, camera, screen, stability and reliability together with some solutions limited to Chinese phones. Together with the constant improvements and pledge for 3 years system upgrade, I still believe that I get the best bang for the buck.
4) Migration is straight forward with the dedicated app either from Android or IOS.
5) You can have contacts, history and messages backed on Vivo account.
Hope I helped.
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Hey can you tell me what apps you uninstalled? Also how did you set another launcher as your default? I made a vivo account and everything but it won't let me set any third party launcher as the default.
Tyrone_585 said:
Hey can you tell me what apps you uninstalled? Also how did you set another launcher as your default? I made a vivo account and everything but it won't let me set any third party launcher as the default.
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Bro I'm traveling right now and I gonna be back on Monday. I'll provide you with the desired information then.
Okay cool thanks a lot, don't forget me I'll be here waiting okay bro!
DomZ said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a new android smartphone.
I'm hesitating between Google Pixel 6 Pro and Vivo X70 Pro+ ...
- What about the phone stability ?
- What about OriginOS, I've seen that a new version OriginOS Ocean) is coming soon ... ?
- What is your overall opinion on the phone ?
Thanks
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Hi..
I hope that am not to late for anyone want to pay vivo garbage smartphone.. i own the vivo x70 pro plus OriginOS (chainese version).. and i advise everyone want to purchase this garbage to wait and look for another device.. i will explain my 4 months experience with that garbage..
i will answer this questions first..
-What about the phone stability ?
The phone is awesome stable but vivo os will spoil your experience with the phone if you live outside the supported regions for the vivo x70pro+ whatever if its OriginOS or FunTouchOS..
- What about OriginOS, I've seen that a new version OriginOS Ocean is coming soon ... ?
I am on OriginOS ocean and it is worst than normal OriginOS in term of experience.. and full with Chinese letters and words even when you change the OS UI to English.. !! They can fix it as easy and translate it fully to English like in FunTouchOS but they didn't..
- What is your overall opinion on the phone ?
Everything is awesome except the OS experience its very bad compared to other brands i have used in the past like samsung and lg and pixel and OnePlus and oppo OSs.. if you are in outside supported regions you will not be able to register an vivo account with your phone number which will let you set some accessbelity needed permission to the installed apps or to install apps from third party apps to your phone.. without the vivo account you will not be able to do that.. and if you make vivo account just without phone number activation you will not be able to use some features and functions and you wil not be able to change your account name from Chinese to any other languages.. i can confirm setting up an vivo account is simply a nightmare..
When its come to notifications (Whatsapp Facebook Instagram snapchat telegram etc) is the worst smartphone ever and you will never get notifications in time or never. just for wechat its work perfectly..even when you remove or disabled the .pem app to fix notifications issues receiving notifications will be better a little bit just little bit but when you restart your phone google play store and YouTube will not work any more because you removed the stupid .pem app..
This phone had awesome hardware with a garbage software..
I have removed my SIM card from this phone and put it back in my older lg v50 since I can't use the x70pro+ as my daily driver.. i offered my vivo x70pro+ for sell tow weeks back and i didn't get any offers on it till today.. now i mainly use the lg v50 for social media and phone calls and the x70pro+ just for camera & gaming and watching YouTube.. if i sold the x70pro+ i will pay the pixel 7 pro for sure..
This x70pro+ garbage is not friendly user experience at all..
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Thank you for your reply. Are you getting delayed notifications for apps? Is there a workaround?
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Yes there is by removing .pem app but when you remove it and restart your phone the play store and YouTube will not work anymore.. i tried many times by removing or disableing and even reset my phone many time and the same issues happened every time i remove or disable .pem garbage..
Even if you removed or disabled the pem it not a total fix for the notifications issues..
varun.gid said:
So i assume you have the Chinese Variant right? So it's easy to change the default launcher to something like Nova? Do gestures work with custom launcher as well?
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You can change the garbage vivo home launcher but is not easy as other brands OS.. and you will not be able to use the slide gesture in the navigation bar to jumb to the previous used apps in recent apps if u change the vivo launcher!!
Also you will get a stupid message everytime you restart or turn on the phone warning you the third party launcher is harmful!!
What a garbage..
DomZ said:
Also I'm coming from Google Pixel 3, does the migration path is simple ? What about backup restoration (call/message history, contadts, calandars ...) ?
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It is possible but not simple at all..
Tend to disagree with the notifications. It takes some diving into the settings, but mine work fine for the apps I'm interested in. Whatsapp notifications even show earlier on my OriginOS Vivo than an Android One Motorola.
I bought mine simply for the camera which is awesome. The rest is of less importance. So take in mind what your main functionality is with the device and use that in making your decisions.
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Okay cool thanks a lot, don't forget me I'll be here waiting okay bro!
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Hi, sorry it took me so long, I had some urgent matters to fix after arriving home. Now, let's deal with your request:
About adb removed apps, my list is as follows:
Baidu Keyboard -> com.baidu.input_vivo
Browser -> com.vivo.browser
Calendar -> com.bbk.calendar
Calendar Widget -> com.vivo.widget.calendar
Car Launcher -> com.vivo.carlauncher
CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo
Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed
Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local
Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare
Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball
Email -> com.vivo.email
Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite
Find Phone -> com.vivo.findphone
Fuel Summary -> com.vivo.fuelsummary
Game Center -> com.vivo.game
GameWatch -> com.vivo.gamewatch
Global Search -> com.vivo.globalsearch
iMusic -> com.android.bbkmusic
iVideo -> com.android.VideoPlayer
Jovi -> com.vivo.assistant
Jovi InLife Service -> com.vivo.smartLife
Jovi Vision -> com.vivo.vtouch
Jovi Voice -> com.vivo.agent
Kids Mode -> com.vivo.childrenmode
Mobile KTV -> com.vivo.vivokaraoke
Network Location -> com.baidu.map.location
Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine
Power Guardian -> com.vivo.pem
QuickPay -> com.vivo.quickpay
Reader -> com.chaozh.iReader
SpeechSuite -> com.iflytek.speechsuite
Tips -> com.vivo.Tips
Ultra Game Mode -> com.vivo.gamecube
VHome -> com.vivo.vhomeguide
Vivo.com -> com.vivo.space
Vivo Cloud -> com.bbk.cloud
Voice Wakeup -> com.vivo.voicewakeup
Vivo Wallet -> com.vivo.wallet
Weather -> com.vivo.weather
Weather -> com.vivo.dream.weather
Weather Widget -> com.vivo.widgetweather
Weather Storage -> com.vivo.weather.provider
Warranty - com.vivo.warranty
Sim - com.vivo.simcontacts
Music - com.vivo.musicwidgetmix
Game - com.vivo.gametrain
I didn't uninstall some Vivo apps that are usually removed, becauseI found them useful (mail, sms, docs...)
I don't have any issues after uninstalling com.vivo.pem as you may see in some others reports. I assume that they might remove something else important (part of the system architecture - launcher base?).
And I can confirm again that the phone is totally stable without issues at all.
Finally, I bought the right dongle to bypass the lack of Android Auto and there are no more shortcomings left for my mode of phone use. Yes, on AOS there are notifications only for phone and messages, others appears only on the home screen. But I don't feel deprived because of that. And Vivo is delaying with the Android 12, which is not a pattern but rather a consequence of the engagement with the Ocean. I believe that after 12 (Ocean 3) the upgrades will be more fluent and Vivo promised 3 full Android upgrades.
About the launcher: you have to enable "replace system launcher" in "more security settings" and set your custom launcher as default (in default apps). You may still see warning: use system launcher after resetting the phone now and then, but you simply cancel it.
I don't use Nova launcher, even I bought the prime license once. I use Star launcher prime which is lightweight and far more versatile. It suits my needs perfectly, and I can do everything I want in form of adaptations. And no issues, no china at all. Attached is my new home screen.
Okay thanks a lot my friend. I went thru the forums and found out how to delete the apps blocking my notifications and how to use the third party launcher lol. But still thanks for getting back to me cause I wanted to see the apps you uninstalled because I tried removing some apps and they won't leave. Like the imusic and the wallet app won't uninstall idk why.
As for the other guys having problems with his phone after removing the com.vivo.pem I don't have that issue at all I can restart my phone just fine and google play services work and everything so it unfortunate he's having such issues but my phone works great I love it and have no problems. Just waiting for Android 12 and I'll be fine thanks again buddy!
I've tried everything possible to stop vivos spyware, namely cim.vivo.pushservice and com.vivo.abe (plus maybe some others but the main one clearly is push service - whatever you do interacting with your phone shortly after push service tries (because I blocked it's internet access with Adguard) to contact some Chinese servers.
Edit: For app ops to work reliably you need to debloat com.vivo.devicereg first. Also remove com.vivo.abe and other apps for best results first - see here for list: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...al-battery-drain.4544851/page-5#post-88459025
You cannot debloat it, you cannot freeze it, there is no normal way to remove it from starting as you cannot simply restrict it from running as it runs on user 1000.
However what you can do, though only with app ops is to simply remove it access to any system content by providing fake zero content (ignore). Actual denying is also not possible.
I'm attaching a screenshot on how to set it up and I don't know which actual setting works, but something does work because for the first time I'm using this device it's not trying to connect to the internet anymore. This should also substantially improve battery life.
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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You need to activate system and system framework apps to show it. By default they are hidden.
It's quite crazy how many times different vivo apps access location and contacts. Well enough other apps are pretty annoying in accessing fine location so app ops is a great tool to cut down on requests by apps (yes usually a power manager would restrict the apps a bit, but as we have to remove vivo.pem to receive notifications app ops is the answer)
If you setup an island with islands app, it's pretty crazy how fast the vivo system starts requesting access to loads of stuff. Maybe because I forbid internet access to the vivo spyware it kept on going crazy? Well clearly by default this system send everything, and yeah really everything straight to Chinese servers when it comes to location, contacts, messages, phone log, system settings and so on. You cannot even deny this but it's great that android now provides the ignore function which will return empty information instead.
This one is especially terrifying. I guess the service gathers all the data it gives to push service to send to China... Put it on ignore straight away.
App ops is available on Google play, installation needs shizuku too which is a bit complicated and needs restarting after reboot of system. However most settings should survive a reboot (I have to try and monitor this), best make a backup and yeah totally worth it to buy the full version. There is no single other app that I tried which worked and the auto restore feature is only available in full version. Also some more other stuff.
I'm thinking if I should remove all accounts and try the device owner mode. Clearly this will be the first thing I will do on any new phone or hard reset. Put shizuku as owner so it can autostart
App Ops - Permission manager - Apps on Google Play
Manage app permission with App Ops (require root or adb)
play.google.com
Edit/Update.
Vivo using system user 1000 is problematic because somehow you cannot set some/many permissions per app but only per user. It's hard to see when this applies and when not.
So both of this apps which are core parts of the spyware armada will share/influence the android system permission on location. Clearly debloat would be better but impossible without root.
You cannot directly set it here - and that's the problem. It's even not possible in the log to tell which user 1000 app requested location as somehow it will always show android system...
Some things I do not know yet - because I didn't use it long enough.
Does Vivo rotten oranges tries to overwrite the settings? MIUI seemingly does and there is a restore mode especially for it.
Some reviews mention that the backup/import option does not work for System apps. I don't know if this was fixed or not (seems to have been okay 2-3 years ago - maybe downgrade if that is so).
Do you need the app? No you could do this manually or even write a batch as its all app ops set commands. But that would be way way more complicated than using the app (and the free version does most things already).
I hope by seeing the body sensors log I managed to eliminate the offending apps like Phone that accessed them and cause the phone to lose battery while on the go like crazy.
Which apps should you set to ignore everything?
Well foremost those that we would all like to uninstall and remove but cannot.
com.vivo.abe, push notifications service, com.android.phone (and use a different dialler app instead - the default phone must be spyware infused to the top as it becomes active all of the time without being in use and replaced in my case with google phone already), the numbermark stuff, vivo locationservices,
Youtube Revanced - Fine Location - should you use it. I don't know why it keeps on requesting this all the time. Put it on ignore or Deny to save battery (seems to be a bit badly programmed)
Multi Device Connectivity (don't know what this thing does, but it requests loads of data/wakeups and so on - maybe part of the spyware suite? For Sure remove it from Fine Location)
AiEnginge,Aiservices.
Controversial: Should you remove location access to Android System? I think it can save battery but not sure if some apps break some functionality?
com.vivo.devicereg (this one is quite active too - I'm not sure if we should put everything on ignore here too).
And yeah - I'm 99.99% positive the China Spyware is tracking your location 100% of the time. So it's not only some metadata, contacts, call data, messages, clipboard content and app filtering - but also your location. Now is this collected by Vivo for its own good, or for the Chinese government? I don't care I don't want either and I pretty much thing the way it works is several services gathering all that data - and most like vivo push notifications (haha fitting name) pushing this info to Chinese servers.
And yeah - seeing how many access rights are given to various system apps is not normal! I compared this to my Huawei P30 Pro and Galaxy S7 and both have much much less permissions given (a bit problematic as earlier Android versions aren't so detailled). Plus without app ops you don't even know about this! The stock permission management just hides all the system framework apps so you never know!
BTW - If you identify any app that requests a lot of stuff like location or contacts and you do not know why it should - try to debloat it because that's always the better solution. com.vivo.multinlp - Vivo Location Services can be debloated.
Same for Multi Device Connectivity: com.vivo.connbase
The rest of the apps above (except phone which breaks functionality if debloated) - cannot be debloated. So that's when you use App Ops instead. It's always safer using app ops vs fully uninstalling/disabling an app from a standpoint about breaking something. However for battery use most likely uninstalling via adb is the better solution. I decided to remove those two apps, but a more conservative approach is to simply remove their access to sensitive data.
Someone knows why google play services needs access to body sensors?
I'm attaching my current profile - not sure if you can import it without having the same debloat level as on my phone (which is pretty extensive - I have 77 apps uninstalled and 11 disabled. Yeah and most of that are services/system apps (very few a pre installed user apps).
Need to remove the txt ending on the backup to import.
Oh I think the reviews are right, the backup doesn't include settings for system apps. That a bummer. Kinda makes the backup/import function useless.
Now it clearly would make more sense if one could create a huge bash/batch file to do all of these app ops commands. I clearly don't know how to do that simply? Yeah finding out what changed is possible with dumpsys....
Battery life improved loads on first try, but then somehow I managed to destroy the Bluetooth connection by removing permissions somewhere too much. Also I had the phone in vibration mode overnight which kills all notifications and is like airplane mode light.
It's really horrible software design by vivo that vibration mode kills all notifications with screen off.
The only thing to achieve actual vibration mode is turning volume down to 0. I really cannot get who can program such a lousy thing.
I don't know why but location is constantly requested by something and I highly doubt it's actually android system!
Sadly Vivo system like MIUI seems to reset the restrictions all the time. So you need shizuku running all the time to restore the settings..
Especially com.vivo.abe restores it's permissions several times daily and as soon as that happens battery life goes **** again in idle and spyware starts working again...
It's super frustrating but essentially this phone had rubbish software that isn't fixable. It can be improved as many settings aren't reset but the spyware tries everything it can to restore itself overwriting system settings all the time.
Oh and push notifications also sends out data to fixed IP addresses in China that cannot be prevented.
Location is accessed like crazy by all the spyware.
Thats the main killer because it's permanently checking location if you don't disable location system wide.
At least down from 15.000 requests to 9000 thanks to app ops.
Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
The problem I'm facing right now is, the idle drain is too much for me. With plane mode on during 6 hour night, it lost 3%. With normal 3g-4g signal (no data), it drains about 1% per hour, sometimes 2%. That means if I go to work and let my phone sit there for a whole day without touching anything, then it will lose 8%-16%. That's crazy numbers.
I also found that, googlemap (with gps+4g) can kill battery very quickly. Usually, I drive to work in 30 mins and it drops 6%, i.e, 1% per 5 mins. With the same use, the s22 ultra drops just under 3%.
And if I use the phone normally such as web browsing, facebook, instagram, tiktok, even taking photos then it drains very very normally as other phones do.
I have the s22 ultra and I can say that the battery on s22 ultra is much better than vivo. It's understandable because it has been optimized for a year now. With the s22 ultra and with the same using pattern, I can easily get 8 hours SoT, while the vivo can barely get it to 5-6 hours.
Pretty sad because this x90 pro+ camera is better than the s22 ultra in many aspects, easier to hold in hand (s22 ultra is too hard to reach the edge of the phone and too heavy) although I don't like both curve screens. I don't have many problems with the notifications because I mainly use messenger and gmail and that's all.
So hopefully, someone can find out the way to fix those excessive battery drain or Vivo can release some updates to solve this problem in the future.
Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
it's very quick and easy to activate, just enable dns privato in network settings and write your dns resolver url.
i hope it could be helpful.
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Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
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Yes by removing virtually any rights on any app/service that I don't think needs it - I could solve the battery drain.
However now I cannot use the telephone to make calls (passive receving calls still works), and I seem not to be able to update to the new trial software because it isn't found.
Now the problem with App Ops is - I cannot quickly return all rights to update the software - as the backup/import function does not work with system apps.
This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.
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Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
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No it doesn't - it can only block apps, not even some system services - and only if they connect to a website, not if they connect to an IP address!
I have written about stopping spyware with DNS services already - this stops some sending of data - but doesn't help at all when it comes to battery drain. There will still be 20.000 events or so per day (which is a crazy amount) of the china spyware logging your location (and yeah mostly high accuracy, not low accuracy), trying to connect to chinese servers and other problems that you can only discover via Shizuku.
And NextDNS is not the right solution at all. I think even Adguard is a bit more efficient for this. The best one is Rething DNS+ - it's the only app that can block all system services (but then you cannot use another app for ad filtering like Adaware/Adguard).
This menu is not accessible via settings... But it exists
Needs to be accesses via activity launcher.
Actually private DNS exists too but is hidden by Vivo like so many other privacy related settings.. this OS is so rotten they try to hide everything that improves privacy...
Likely everything you write with Vivo secure keyboard has preferential upload to China servers
(This last one is sarcasm without proof, but don't believe anything this OS tells you about privacy because logs tell you it's lying)
Some more stuff of which a lot is hidden and not accessible
Go f**k standard vivo settings menu. The only problem is the real android settings menu is missing the search function. But it's feature complete (except the stuff Vivo really removed from Android which isn't too much.. mostly they just removed it from the settings menu)
This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)
'This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.'
Patiently waiting
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This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
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Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)
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Thank you Vivo, keep doing it to his phone
Any updates on this @extremecarver?
I'm using this and what I see so far is the battery drain cut down to around 5% overnight (6 hours). With plane mode ON, it lost about 3% in 6 hours, not too bad for me. However, when put it there on my desk when I'm working (with 4g signal covered, no data), for 8 hours it sucked around 10%, and with wifi on that number is around 20%. My old Huawei Mate 20 and S22U can do even better than this (just around 5% without wifi, and 10-15% with wifi).
In addition, I also found that the battery drain when using GPS on this phone is too much for me. Just 1 hour and it sucked about 12% with 4G data ON.
Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the "keep awake" and "run in background" and put ignore on everything you think that is not absolutely needed. Android 12 and above should not use this keep awake but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.
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Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the wake something section and remove everything you think that is not needed. Android 12 and above should not use this - but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.
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The phone is good overall, camera, design, performance, but the battery drain is destroying those good points. Not sure if vivo will fix this in the future or not, but my S22U did take more than 6 months to get some first stable updates, and it's super stable right now at 1 year.
Well I cannot call any phone good if it's basic functions like notifications and spyware are rubbish like hell - causing battery drain without end. And yeah - without root you can make it a bit better but cannot fix it. With root if would be quite doable (as long as Vivo doesn't introduce any killswitch like disabling stuff once vivo.abe or push notification service is uninstalled). Root for running adb commands would be enough. But vivo actively disabled this by making many apps removable only for user 1000.
ok so it seems no way to fix the rubbish battery life.
this thread convinced me to sell the phone for a s23 ultra, the battery life differences are huge given only the 300mah battery.
Very good phone ruined by battery life, I don't even care at this point about camera and other specs, I expected good battery life from a sd gen 2 with 4700 mah but i was clearly wrong.
My 1st and last vivo phone, too bad i'll lose tons of money now because is vivo is a no name here.
You lose tons of money everywhere as soon as you cannot return a Vivo phone anymore...
Btw, can someone show what permissions are on Android system by default?
I wonder if I'm missing some (screenshot from device info):
I never directly removed a permission from Android system, but I removed permissions from apps running as well on system.uid user, and sometimes they interact, sometimes they don't. Vivo really messed up the permissions because it's not possible to cleanly change permissions.
If you see the permissions given to push notifications it's anyhow clear than restricting any permissions to vivo apps to stop them to spy on you is like fighting windmills, because push notifications just about has any permission imaginable even after removing some with app ops. Here are the permissions left over from push notifications after removing any possible with app ops app.
Found the error why I couldn't access adb anymore. Shell system app somehow had all rights removed. Fixed it by exporting the apk and reinstalling it. Not locked out anymore and can use app ops again...
Strange thing though - on reboot shell went missing again. Not sure what the crap deletes shell on reboot. I'm pretty sure that's some kind of vivo killswitch if you remove rights via app ops commands from it's spyware.