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Is Oneplus3 worth over Xiaomi mi5?

Hi guys,sorry for this lame question.I got Xiaomi mi5 64gb version.I'm thinking to sell it and buy Oneplus 3.My point is op3 worth buying if I already got Xiaomi mi5? I didn't have any problem with Xiaomi untill now.Will op3 give me better expirience?

Kambz1994 said:
Hi guys,sorry for this lame question.I got Xiaomi mi5 64gb version.I'm thinking to sell it and buy Oneplus 3.My point is op3 worth buying if I already got Xiaomi mi5? I didn't have any problem with Xiaomi untill now.Will op3 give me better expirience?
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"Better experience" is a broad and subjective term, there would never be any definitive answer for that. However, you should normally get 'yes' in OP3 forum and 'no' here (some abnormal people say 'yes' here, wonder why they keep reading mi5 forum if they don't like it).

Im deciding too but prefer the size of the Mi5 and the fact its £100 cheaper than the OP3 if you get a 32GB version.

If you already have Mi 5, I don't think it's worth buying OP3 since the hardware is mostly the same.
Things that differentiate OP3 from Mi 5:
- Oxygen OS: If you love stock Android, this is a big plus since Oxygen OS is basically stock Android with some new features. You also get ambient display and gestures while display is off.
- 5.5'' AMOLED Screen: Bigger display (bigger phone size). Better contrast. Saves battery when displaying dark colors. More saturated but you can use SRGB mode.
- Metal unibody: If you prefer metal unibodies, OP3 is a plus. Mi 5 I believe is using glass/ceramic with a metal frame.
- RAM: OP3 comes with 6GB but it's overkill. Mi 5 is perfectly fine with 3/4 GB of RAM. Heck even my gaming PC has "only" 8 GB of RAM.
- Storage: OP3 comes only with 64 GB while Mi 5 has 32/64/128 GB options. Mi 5's 64 GB option is also cheaper than OP3 64 GB.
Camera is basically the same on both phones. They have the same sensor (IMX298), OIS, 16 MP and f/2.0 lenses.
Both have 3000 mAh batteries. OP3 is Li-Ion and Mi 5 is Li-Po.
If you are an audiophile though, I've read that Mi 5 uses Qualcomm's Aqstic (DAC, amp + codec) which is the same setup as HTC 10 and will give you much better sound quality than OP3, since OP3 doesn't have that (I can't find any reference that it has Aqstic) although it's rocking the same SoC (Snapdragon 820).

ChillyChan said:
If you already have Mi 5, I don't think it's worth buying OP3 since the hardware is mostly the same.
Things that differentiate OP3 from Mi 5:
- Oxygen OS: If you love stock Android, this is a big plus since Oxygen OS is basically stock Android with some new features. You also get ambient display and gestures while display is off.
- 5.5'' AMOLED Screen: Bigger display (bigger phone size). Better contrast. Saves battery when displaying dark colors. More saturated but you can use SRGB mode.
- Metal unibody: If you prefer metal unibodies, OP3 is a plus. Mi 5 I believe is using glass/ceramic with a metal frame.
- RAM: OP3 comes with 6GB but it's overkill. Mi 5 is perfectly fine with 3/4 GB of RAM. Heck even my gaming PC has "only" 8 GB of RAM.
- Storage: OP3 comes only with 64 GB while Mi 5 has 32/64/128 GB options. Mi 5's 64 GB option is also cheaper than OP3 64 GB.
Camera is basically the same on both phones. They have the same sensor (IMX298), OIS, 16 MP and f/2.0 lenses.
Both have 3000 mAh batteries. OP3 is Li-Ion and Mi 5 is Li-Po.
If you are an audiophile though, I've read that Mi 5 uses Qualcomm's Aqstic (DAC, amp + codec) which is the same setup as HTC 10 and will give you much better sound quality than OP3, since OP3 doesn't have that (I can't find any reference that it has Aqstic) although it's rocking the same SoC (Snapdragon 820).
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Mi5 is Best Quality Phone

yes it is worth it. go for 1+3.

If you like larger displays, or oversaturated AMOLEDs, yeah sure the OnePlus 3 will improve your experience. Otherwise you could just unlock and flash your Mi 5.
The difference I reckon would be that unlocking OnePlus phones is a very easy process and do not void any warranties.

yes I think it's worth it. Go for it

I think in my opinion,MI5 have better battery life. If you want more ram,one plus three.

leledumbo said:
... some abnormal people say 'yes' here, wonder why they keep reading mi5 forum if they don't like it...
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That's what is called having a perspective from all POV.
Xiaomi is notorious in releasing bug-free kernel sources. MIUI was the best in its fifth version (my opinion) and then onward, every iterations has been a crappy ride. And without a proper source code release - the custom ROMs have tough time to work flawlessly. Xiaomi has always been non-cooperative with the Dev community. And have you ever visited Xiaomi forum? I mean... come on!! Whose fertile idea was it to force you to post a "comment" before you can download something (almost all of the time) !!!
OnePlus 3 is a Dev friendly device. Can you give instance of one more company, who releases the source code even before the official release of the device itself?? (Before someone pounds in - yes, I know it was all a part of the large publicity stunts - then again we the users are benefited at the end). I only wish OnePlus 3 came out with a QuadHD IPS-LCD. Personally, I despise Amoled panels.

SogaBan said:
That's what is called having a perspective from all POV.
And have you ever visited Xiaomi forum? I mean... come on!! Whose fertile idea was it to force you to post a "comment" before you can download something (almost all of the time) !!!
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I'm a diamond member there. That "feature" is poster intention, normal ROM and important tools downloads don't need it. Posters hide download links in their post to gain reputation, to become higher level members as well. It's a system that makes MIUI forum looks active, despite most comments are only "thanks" or "great".

The MI 5 is better than the OP3 only in one aspect : its smaller size. Otherwise, the OP3 is better about :
- sturdiness (remember the iPhone 6 bendgate ? the MI 5 is much worse)
- android development (just compare their xda forums)
- LTE frequencies
Since you are from Croatia, MI 5 does not support LTE band 20 (800MHz), I think that would be the deal breaker.

leledumbo said:
... Posters hide download links in their post to gain reputation, to become higher level members as well. It's a system that makes MIUI forum looks active...
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You see - that was my point precisely! Why would you even 'allow' to encourage the poster(s) to demonstrate a 'reputation-gaining-mechanism' ?!?
And no, that never makes any forum active - all it makes is to create a lot of 'off-the-track' distracting post(s) in the middle of the main discussion thread.
And I am a diamond member too there (with the same name and icon).
Returning back to the main question - OP3 is an unparalleled bargain in the same price segment - grab it with all your might. By the way, I am also keeping an eye on the newly released Mi5S Plus which comes with quite attractive attributes. I doubt what will its price be?

mi5 is lighter, fits well to normal user pockets

oneplus3 is well developed contract to mi5, because xiaomi did not release the kernel source completely.

soushi0825 said:
oneplus3 is well developed contract to mi5, because xiaomi did not release the kernel source completely.
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Wrong. They did. It's even posted here on xda...

i have oneplus3 but i ordered mi5 because its smaller, and have same camera sensor..

Vihru said:
i have oneplus3 but i ordered mi5 because its smaller, and have same camera sensor..
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Why didn't you get the 5s? Has better camera

ermacwins said:
Why didn't you get the 5s? Has better camera
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its not that small as mi5..

Guys should i buy mi5 or spend £100 more and get oneplus 3? how much different is the android developing between the two? What I mean is, if oneplus has a score of 10/10 for android developing then what will the mi5 get?

What's your opinion: Mi 8 vs Mi 9 Lite?

Hey guys!
I hope I'm in the right place to post/ask this. But I honestly don't know any better place to go to.
At the moment I am to decide between the Mi 8 (6/64GB) for 170 € and the Mi 9 Lite (6/128 GB) for 200 €.
I already ordered, received and set up the Mi8 and the good price for the Mi 9 Lite just appeared recently.
The Mi 8 definitely has a better performance due to the SD845 (vs SD710) and has WiFi MiMO, an OIS, as well as apt-X and costs 30 € less (at least for me). Likely due to its release date there also are way more ROMs and Mods available for the Mi8 already.
Mi 9 Lite on the other hand supports LTE Band28 (which will become more and more important in Germany), has better camera sensors, a bigger battery, an infrared blaster, SD card support, a drop notch, an audio jack and, well, in-screen fingerprint (which I guess is nice but not that important) and it was released about 1 year later which could lead to longer software support.
So there's very much points arguing for the Mi 9 Lite. But:
Does the premium SoC of the Mi 8 guarantee more updates over time then the Mi 9 lite?
Is the camera of the Mi 9 Lite really better than on the Mi 8 as OIS is missing?
Is the in-screen fingerprint more imprecise than fingerprint on the back?
Could apt-X also be applied to the Mi 9 Lite? (one day I read about it being implemented in LOS by default)
Thanks in advance for your help and opinions on this question.
Kind Regards,
Seyron

Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)

k3lcior said:
Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)
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Thank you very much for your fast answer!
Referring to this post the Mi8 also comes with an Samsung AMOLED, though I can't find much other reliable information elsewhere that would support this statement. Phonearena seems to be the only specs listing website that states it, too, as being produced by Samsung. However it's my first AMOLED device and I therefore can't compare to others. I've declared to myself that my next phone definitely would be one for under 200 € and would have to come with an AMOLED screen, which now, thanks to the special offer for the Mi 9 Lite, is met by both devices.
Yeah the battery point is a powerful one. I get 1.5 days of battery lifetime at most with low usage while I got almost 3 days out of my Redmi Note 4 when I didn't use it much.
Also B-S-G - afaik the most popular developer for GCam ports - is developing the GCam specifically for the Mi8 (among other devices) which almost guarantees a most recent and working GCam version for it. But I only can tell that the image quality is way better than it was on my Redmi Note 4, which on the other side just would be very devastating if it wasn't.
It'd also be worth mentioning that due to the different vendors I'd have 2 years warranty for the Mi 8 (Amazon) but none to a maximum of one year for the Mi 9 Lite (Banggood).

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9065&idPhone2=9862

mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.

what I can tell you about Mi 9 lite is : the screen is top , fingerprint on screen ( no need to turn your phone when on desk ) battery is xxl , microSD port , Irda port ( tv remote ) I use Nova rather than miui launcher and this phone is nearly perfect for what I do.

hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
Hope this helps

I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.

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https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9065&idPhone2=9862
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As I pointed out I already compared both phones myself using gsmarena and just summarized the main differences upon which I wasn't able to make a decision.

kesc said:
mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.
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Thanks for your input! I have to say that just recently a colleague ordered and received his Mi 9 Lite and the In-Screen-Fingerprint seems to be quite fast and accurate at first glance.
Camera on the Mi 8 using GCam is amazing. Especially when compared to my old Redmi Note 4.
And as this is my first Amoled it also looks amazing, but I have no comparison.
I also face sudden SystemUI reboots on HavocOS on my Mi8 about once every two to three days.

seities said:
hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
Hope this helps
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Wow! Thank you so much for your efforts taking time to write such an detailed and honest opinion.
Talking about the Pixel Experience ROM I took a look into that and counting from release date of the Mi 8 it took about 6 months for a stable and official build to be released (May 2018 -> 25th Nov 2018).
Depending on the Mi 9 lite being released in Sep 2019 one could give it 2-3 months from now on compared to the time it took the Mi 8 to get some Official ROM support. As far as I can see the first unofficial custom ROMS for the Mi8 dropped in Oct 2018 which is 5 months after release whereas the first unofficial LOS build appeared just recently for the Mi 9 Lite. Therefore it only took the Mi 9 Lite 4 months to receive its first unofficial LOS build. So it looks like the support and development isn't that bad.
But yet it's still hard to tell how much (xda community) popularity the phone could get in the near future.
For me the battery life is one of the most convincing reason to buy. It was so satisfying to reach up to 3 days with my Redmi Note 4 without having to charge it once. I know this depends on usage but I always got at least 2 days if I wasn't at home gaming on the phone all the day.
Oh and yeah - you name it - the feeling of the vibration motor is so smooth and from the first moment on gives a so much more premium feeling than I experienced with the one in my Redmi Note 4. And yes the fingerprint scanner on the mi 8 is very fast and accurate.

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I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.
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Interesting point. But isn't this just depending on the ROM/software or is this a hardware issue?
I already somehow adapted to the forehead notch. I found it quite ugly the first to days. And it still is. The teardrop notch definitely is way more attractive. I guess it's missing the IR front camera, though (not that it would be that important/useful). And are the speaker, proximity sensor as well as light sensor positioned under the Amoled somewhere?

Question Should I buy the redmi note 10 pro?

In my country it has a great price and is one of my top options. But I hear that miui has a lot of problems. Should I look for another phone from another phone brand instead or do i buy the redmi note 10 pro?
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Edit: Im going to go with it and buy the redmi note 10 pro. People who have had it said that they didnt have any problems. I feel it in my guts that i will be happy if i buy this phone. Plus it has good specs, a big battery, a simple elegant design and miui has notification/quick toggle separation

I'd say no.
I went from a poco f1 to a redmi note 10 pro and apart from the charging speed and speakers it's a huge downgrade.
especially the camera and the sound through the 3.5mm port.

Look, MIUI is absolutely garbage. I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're 100% sure you want to install a custom rom at which point the phone is great. If you don't want to fiddle with that go for a samsung or something.

jklica said:
Look, MIUI is absolutely garbage. I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're 100% sure you want to install a custom rom at which point the phone is great. If you don't want to fiddle with that go for a samsung or something.
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Why is it garbage. I went form slow and laggy S21 with OneUI to Mi 11, then to Note 10 Pro because of 3.5mm and cheaper price.
This is overall the best device i ever had, even better than Mi 11 while cheaper.
Miui has more features and it's much faster than OneUI, no lag and battery is incredible.
I also tried few custom roms, features are limited, no face unlock, app lock, etc...
However i use EU model that doesn't have all the tracking and ads like global models do.
I would 100% recommend this phone.

I just received mine today as a cheap run-around but I have so far no issues what so ever with MIUI. Despite having quite a bit less powerful than my Tab S7+ it feels almost as smooth and snappy. The only issue I had with this device was with the IR blaster but that was purely inadequate software. Uninstalled the stock app and one free app from the Play Store later and the IR blaster functions as expected and I can operate every TV in the house with it. I also found the colours to be a little bit blander than my S7+ but there's an option in the settings for colour schemes to always enhance the colours which makes the world of difference and now I'd say it's comparable with the colours on my Tab S4 which still has a beautiful screen even by today's standards.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Why is it garbage. I went form slow and laggy S21 with OneUI to Mi 11, then to Note 10 Pro because of 3.5mm and cheaper price.
This is overall the best device i ever had, even better than Mi 11 while cheaper.
Miui has more features and it's much faster than OneUI, no lag and battery is incredible.
I also tried few custom roms, features are limited, no face unlock, app lock, etc...
However i use EU model that doesn't have all the tracking and ads like global models do.
I would 100% recommend this phone.
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An S21 should not have been slow and laggy AT ALL. Perhaps there was something wrong?

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An S21 should not have been slow and laggy AT ALL. Perhaps there was something wrong?
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Every samsung is laggy as soon as you install couple of apps and fill half of the storage. MIUI is faster, also battery is non comparable, both charging speeds and drain.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Every samsung is laggy as soon as you install couple of apps and fill half of the storage. MIUI is faster, also battery is non comparable, both charging speeds and drain.
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With the shear amount of Samsung devices I have I can tell you with absolute certainty that that statement is not true at all. I have over 70 GB worth of apps on my Tab S7+ right now and it isn't phased at all. Even my old Tab S4 has managed a good 40 GB of apps with no slow down what so ever.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Why is it garbage. I went form slow and laggy S21 with OneUI to Mi 11, then to Note 10 Pro because of 3.5mm and cheaper price.
This is overall the best device i ever had, even better than Mi 11 while cheaper.
Miui has more features and it's much faster than OneUI, no lag and battery is incredible.
I also tried few custom roms, features are limited, no face unlock, app lock, etc...
However i use EU model that doesn't have all the tracking and ads like global models do.
I would 100% recommend this phone.
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Its simply impossible to have more lag in S21 than in Note 10 Pro no matter how many apps you install, I mean look at the specs. One of them is factually the best Android phone and top tier flagship, competing with the likes of Pixel 6 and iPhone 13, and the other is a low-midrange tier phone.
And who said OneUI has no app lock or face unlock?
Did you use the budget One UI lite for low range Samsung phones? Low end samsung phones are terrible. Please stop spreading false information, or even if its true someone 100% conned you into buying a faulty or fake S21.
The statement "S21 is better than Note 10 Pro" makes zero sense. Its like saying iPhone 4 is better than iPhone 13

Done't buy any Xiaomi phones unless you are a Chinese citizen or use Chinese apps (MIUI is very optimised for the Chinese ecosystem), or you want to flash a custom ROM.
If you are okay with flashing custom ROMs and have tight budget limits then go for it

nasseef said:
Its simply impossible to have more lag in S21 than in Note 10 Pro no matter how many apps you install, I mean look at the specs. One of them is factually the best Android phone and top tier flagship, competing with the likes of Pixel 6 and iPhone 13, and the other is a low-midrange tier phone.
And who said OneUI has no app lock or face unlock?
Did you use the budget One UI lite for low range Samsung phones? Low end samsung phones are terrible. Please stop spreading false information, or even if its true someone 100% conned you into buying a faulty or fake S21.
The statement "S21 is better than Note 10 Pro" makes zero sense. Its like saying iPhone 4 is better than iPhone 13
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Note 10 Pro is faster than S21 "original obviously". You Samsung fanboys are in denial Samsung has terrible ram management, bad multitasking and is laggyer than Miui.
As far as App Lock or Face unlock i was talking about custom roms for Note 10 Pro based on Android 12.
With both Mi 11 and 10 Pro i had much better experience, multitasking is super fast when switching opened apps. For me it has to be instant, maybe you guys have higher tolerance on samsung phones.
However i will check out S22 ultra with that SD 8 Gen1 and hope for the best.

reylie99 said:
In my country it has a great price and is one of my top options. But I hear that miui has a lot of problems. Should I look for another phone from another phone brand instead or do i buy the redmi note 10 pro?
Edit: Im going to go with it and buy the redmi note 10 pro. People who have had it said that they didnt have any problems. I feel it in my guts that i will be happy if i buy this phone. Plus it has good specs, a big battery, a simple elegant design and miui has notification/quick toggle separation
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RN10 Pro is best phone you can get *for the money*. Pointless to be comparing it to higher models which are higher price then saying its not as good.
So far stellar experience for me and MIUI 12.5 (esp EU) is superior to other custom ROMs. Native based MIUI ROMs ensure you get the best camera performance as non-native ROMs degrade cam performance in one way or another. MIUI 12 is a vast improvement over past MIUI versions, and I presume those who dont like MIUI are speaking with these past versions in mind.
No.1 criterial I went for RN10 Pro is 5000MaH battery. Higher up phones have smaller batteries and with their more powerful chips drain battery quicker. I use my phone as a PHONE, not as a gaming device. So its from that perspective I speak. Gamers will speak in other terms and with other criteria in mind.

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So far stellar experience for me and MIUI 12.5 (esp EU) is superior to other custom ROMs.
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Trying to automatically unlock the phone when connecting Bluetooth to the car, I had to learn that MIUI is crippled against standard Android. Its Smart Unlock only unlocks against Xiaomi devices! But
1. Xiaomi does not manufacture any car
2. I moved away from Apple because they tried to lock me in their product portfolio.
By having a Samsung Galaxy S3 I learned that Samsung modifications of Android are not good. But Xiaomi seems to be not better.
The Note 10 Pro is a good device, but MIUI is a disadvantage. Like TouchWiz is a disadvantage for Samsung which lets me ignore any Samsung device before having seen any test and never recommend a Samsung device. By disabling standard Android functionality for marketing reasons Xiaomi is on the way to the same personal mental trashcan.

nasseef said:
Done't buy any Xiaomi phones unless you are a Chinese citizen or use Chinese apps (MIUI is very optimised for the Chinese ecosystem), or you want to flash a custom ROM.
If you are okay with flashing custom ROMs and have tight budget limits then go for it
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No, I've had no trouble at all with MIUI. The only things I'm not bothered about are the occasional ads in system apps and Mi Music but that's personal preference. The ads can be freely turned off in the settings in Mi Music btw. I'm using a port of Samsung Music on it which works amazingly and Oto is excellent as well.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Note 10 Pro is faster than S21 "original obviously". You Samsung fanboys are in denial Samsung has terrible ram management, bad multitasking and is laggyer than Miui.
As far as App Lock or Face unlock i was talking about custom roms for Note 10 Pro based on Android 12.
With both Mi 11 and 10 Pro i had much better experience, multitasking is super fast when switching opened apps. For me it has to be instant, maybe you guys have higher tolerance on samsung phones.
However i will check out S22 ultra with that SD 8 Gen1 and hope for the best.
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I get it. You're a troll. Move along. I have the hardware and it says otherwise.

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I get it. You're a troll. Move along. I have the hardware and it says otherwise.
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OneUI isn't faster than MIUI. That's a fact.
I wish it was, i wouldn't have to use this Chinese spyware.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
OneUI isn't faster than MIUI. That's a fact.
I wish it was, i wouldn't have to use this Chinese spyware.
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I have both MIUI 13.0.3 and OneUI 4.0 to hand right in front of me and I'll argue every day that that simply isn't true. Search Google for OneUI vs MIUI and see what comes up.

simonjonnemeth said:
I have both MIUI 13.0.3 and OneUI 4.0 to hand right in front of me and I'll argue every day that that simply isn't true. Search Google for OneUI vs MIUI and see what comes up.
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Had both, don't need to search. On S21 i had lag/stuttering issues while multitasking and switching apps, i have no such problems on MIUI.
However this was late last summer, and OneUI 4 was just released, so it's probably fixed. I also had A71 and recently A52s, and since those are mid range they are also not faster in regular use than mid range Note 10 Pro.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Had both, don't need to search. On S21 i had lag/stuttering issues while multitasking and switching apps, i have no such problems on MIUI.
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As above, you shouldn't have had at all and I don't so there must have been something wrong.

Question Vivo X Fold S is launching in September

Heard the news regarding Vivo launching a new model for X fold "S" this September
Source 1- https://www.gsmarena.com/new_vivo_f...ptember_with_the_name_x_fold_s-news-55448.php
Source 2 - https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/08/17/vivo-x-fold-s-foldable-smartphone-could-launch-september/
Share more info if you have regarding the OS, target market etc.

Vivo X Fold S promises speedy response to Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4
Vivo will be launching a swift response to the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4 in the Vivo X Fold S, with three stand-out improvements
www.trustedreviews.com

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Vivo X Fold S passes by 3C with Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1
Vivo's upcoming foldable smartphone refresh - the Vivo X Fold S passed by 3C certification with 80W fast charging.
www.gizchina.com

So far the X Fold is the best hardware foldable phone now and I will not upgrade until someone come out with better hardware but I do hope Vivo will release it global.

Candy_girl2008 said:
So far the X Fold is the best hardware foldable phone now and I will not upgrade until someone come out with better hardware but I do hope Vivo will release it global.
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Best Hardware for sure! Unfortunately, the software part needs a lot of polish...

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vivo X Fold+ photos published by MIIT, still no word on an official unveiling
The phone will bring upgraded hardware - Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 and 80W fast charging - but not much is going on with the exterior.
www.gsmarena.com

Looks like its going to be released on 26th September in China.

It makes me wonder if it is china exclusive and also how is vivo going to support their older models? Checking the x70 pro + forums it isn't pretty.

I have my vivo x fold plus with me now. Delivered today. Testing.
Incredible looking, especially the red version I got.

Please tell us if there is any difference in software or significant improvements from the original x fold

Any Vivo X Fold + owners, how long does the battery last one charge?

Can't answer the question about differences from first one as never had it. Software wise they're all the same it seems, had the x 80 pro and x note before selling them.
This has better battery life than the x note did and that had a 5000mah battery! Really good wifi battery life and good cellular battery but not great. Like most phones I guess.
If you have the first I wouldn't bother get this one. Pointless. It's best fold phone for me though and I've had honor magic v, z fold 3 and 4, huawei fold, and xiaomi first folding phone

Can you please confirm if the VoLTE and Android Auto are working?
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Can't answer the question about differences from first one as never had it. Software wise they're all the same it seems, had the x 80 pro and x note before selling them.
This has better battery life than the x note did and that had a 5000mah battery! Really good wifi battery life and good cellular battery but not great. Like most phones I guess.
If you have the first I wouldn't bother get this one. Pointless. It's best fold phone for me though and I've had honor magic v, z fold 3 and 4, huawei fold, and xiaomi first folding phone
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Can you please confirm if the VoLTE and Android Auto are working?
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VoLTE works for my EE uk sim but I've never used android auto

Google voice match not work

Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+?
I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the market and seems it's down to this and the S23U.
Samsung seems to have taken a different route to reducing noise in low light with that crazy 200mpx/pixel binning but got a feeling the bigger sensor will win. It seems to be a big improvement over the S22U though, and the highlight retainment/hdr in low light seems improved too. Question is how much better the Vivo is and whether it's worth the hassle of getting origin and the issues that come with it.
Has anyone of you had first hand experience with these 2 phones or seen reviews comparing the two? Perhaps it's too early days

Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.

If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.
It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.
Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).
Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.
It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.
Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)
Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.
Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)
Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)
The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)
Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)
Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).
I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.
Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).
Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...
Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)
S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)
Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.
I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).
The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)
The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.
Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.

Oh yeah - when it comes to Camera2 API (according to Proshoot Evaluator) - Vivos advantage is HEIC, Samsungs advantage is vendor extensions of bokeeh, HDR, beauty mode and night mode vs none on the x90 pro+.
And sadly on camera2 api 1440P video isn't offered so it's only 1080P30 vs 4k24/30 on the Samsung....
Vivo has 4k video on the 3.5x via camera2while Samsung only has 1080P30 on both zoom lenses.
Both don't have 4k60P on camera2 !
Both only offer pixel binned resolutions via camera2api so are both quite restricted.

Kenshin1870 said:
Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.
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Have you had any autofocus issues as pointed out in the response above?

vendetta17 said:
Every single member of vivo x90 pro plus xda knows you are trolling . You are stating ' issues' that all the phone holders told you they dont exist . Starting with battery , going to camera , than from internal modems to OS related issues that ONLY you reported out of at least 10 holders here . Those are the real facts . You would normally be banned right now from other forums . Respect to the xda admins for being that patient with you .
And by the way , if you write extremely long texts speaking nonsense ... You dont bring any value at all . At first every single point you got about this phone its negative . Criticism would not be a problem as long as its constructive and positive but the main problem its lying . And you did this several times here .
Who's old here knows you are trolling . Who's new here definately notices immediately that you live on a different planet than earth .
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So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?

Bl unlock doesn't mean anything about update frequency. But with official unlock (not unlock via Potential security bug) most popular phones will have a custom ROM community providing updates for a long time, while with without you are at mercy of the manufacturer. Just look up the update threads about older flagships like 50pro+ or 70pro+ to see how likely updates are on 90pro+. Does not look good to me.. . Vivo's update policy is only for international market. Right now X90 even with trial version is stuck on December security patches. S23U will receive February patches on 17 February (it's not officially available until then - strange release by Samsung this time)
I proved all my facts somewhere here before with screenshots or sources (or Link to fast connect 7800 at Qualcomm which states WiFi 7 compatibility which isn't advertised for X90 pro+. Not even WiFi 6e (though it could be possible it's supported but just not advertised in specs).
I reported vendetta17 now for breaking points 2.3 and 2.4 of the forum rules. He accuses me of lying without being able to prove a single lie.
And I posted positive points, quite a lot. This is one of the best cameras on a smartphone. I think even better than place 10 as dxomark indicates as their protocol doesn't value secondary lenses much. I see it as top 6 or 7 right now even for point and shoot. If you shoot RAW only and need huge prints then it's even the best (but I feel apple workflow with RAW is much easier, also s23U has better workflow with RAW as Lightroom comes already pre-installed but quality wise X90 Pro+ is better). Seeing basically very little mention of RAW and super RAW in relation to the X90 pro+ makes me feel professional photographers avoid Vivo phones no matter how much Vivo touts professional photography at it's press releases. Samsung or apple or google forums on the contrary are full with questions or remarks on RAW and comparisons to the jpg output.
If the X90 pro+ would be half price of s23U, iphone 14 pro max then I would praise it too. If it was even just the price of Pixel 7 pro and would have the same update policy I would recommend it all out. At current prices without any update policy and seeing that x50 Pro+ basically stopped getting updates after 2.5 years, and other Vivo x series being neglected after only a year I don't see it recommendable. It was the first phone with 8gen2 and vivo paid for that exclusive right to Qualcomm. It's not comparable to mate 20 pro or p30 Pro which were albeit slower updates great phones and aged well at cheaper price than other flagships back then. Yes right on hardware it looks great, just like s23U too, but not software.....

Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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You cant unlock bootloader yet .
Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .

vendetta17 said:
You cant unlock bootloader yet .
No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .
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What version are you on then ? I know only of 3 updates... (not counting the last trial version)...

13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.

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13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.
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Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...

Vinzie said:
Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...
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I got it earlier today in official update channel. Not trial.

BTW - eSim is also missing from the X90 Pro+, S23U has dual physical SIM plus 1 Esim support. Dual Active, Tripple Standby. There is no dual e-sim on the S23U however so far (unlike Pixel 7 which now has dual e-sim plus 1 physical SIM. Not sure if tripple standby is supported by Pixel however).
Only Xiaomi 13 Pro so far has Wifi-7 (though not yet enabled because it's draft). X70 modem phones maybe in the future could get wifi 7 enabled - but if the X90 Pro+ has no Wifi-6e - then it's very unlikely it has X70 modem after all.

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If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root
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Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.

Iluminatus23 said:
Extremecaver has to much time....
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Please explain how a person can "much" time...
if you believe Extremecaver has to do that.
It's TOO much time!

Well it's assumed to be the same process as on any other Samsung phone. Root is not the same as unlock! On my S7 and S8+ this was very easy. Root can be trouble with banking apps and so on. Bootloader unlock was super easy (yeah you void warranty on Samsung by rooting because of the e-fuse it will be forever but unlike Vivo no need for all that to get google apps fully working)

djshotty said:
Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.
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Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system

P6P said:
Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system
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Well it's much better than outright not offering bootloader unlock. I find it's a great system - brick your phone by software - Samsung isn't responsible anymore. I'm pretty sure if the phone still boots but doesn't charge anymore or camera dropout Knox will not be important - but I do not know for sure.
The other way but that is more complicated to remove warranty for rooted devices would be to simply hand out unlock codes in your device account and giving you a warning about losing warranty that way.
I find it's understandable manufacturers do not like to warranty rooted/unlocked devices due to the high chance of someone bricking their device in the process. It's giving the user a choice (and after 1 or 2 years depending on the manufacturer it's end of warranty anyhow).

Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
If you want to judge vivo's dedication to the western market you just need to follow a phones announcement.
Website with a countdown that ran until 0:00:00, then nothing happened. Website still displays NaN-Timer and there has been absolute silence from vivo on when the global version is available and how much it will cost.

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Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
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Didn't know about vivo has a efuse or check system. But when it's really there its also crap.