General 200MP scaled down looks way better than 50MP - Motorola Edge 30 Ultra / Motorola Moto X30 Pro

A scaled down 200MP image (to 50MP) looks way better than a 50MP from the Smart Hires Mode
So there is a lot of room for improvement of the Smart Hires mode (not so aggressive noise reduction and edge "enhancement").
An alternative would be that Motorola exposes the 50MP RAW surface (the 2x2 binning) instead of only the 12.5MP (4x4 binning) and allowing us to develop the images ourself.
Xiaomi showed us (in the e.g. Mi Note 10) how a 108MP sensor can produce superbe 27MP RAW images with way more details than from the competition.
Original 50MP
Downscaled 200MP

The full size Canon sensor in their top line pro shooter is less than 23 mp. It will out shoot any smart phone image quality wise. That actually a very large full frame and densely packed sensor with tremendous light gathering ability.
At some point the mp count becomes hype rather than an useful feature. 12 mp is a much more reasonable size for this sensor's form factor. The ability to form precision micro lens drops with size. They've already exceeded this critical factor. That's one reason a pro shooter can grab a better high resolution image.
Bottom line is you buy a smartphone for it's overall performance not just it's cam specs. With no expandable storage a smartphone that produces huge jpeg and raw files you will quickly eat up the internal storage capacity even with 500gb. A quality 12mp sensor can produce excellent images and is likely still the optimum size for the sensor form factor found in smartphones. When you see that being exceeded by a factor of 2, 5, 10x you have to wonder wtf is the designer's goal really was. Was it just mp bragging rights?

based on sample pics that ive seen in gsmarena heavy processing regarding noise reduction and sharpening, is ruining the quality, especially in telephoto samples.

@blackhawk Well you have to put this into perspective.
Can a small device like a smartphone hold up against a full frame sensor paired with good quality glass then the answer is now.
But if you comare a moder flagship samrphone with a high end SoC with a midrange device from a few years ago costing less than half the price than you can draw a baseline.
This baseline for me is the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 with its 108MP sensor producing very detailed 27MP RAW images with more than enough dynamic range. Especially when originated from GCam as stacked DNGs.
Why not give the users the opportunity to use the 4x4 binning as well as the 2x2?
You are right megapixel are not everything but details in an image is one of the main criterias besides color. 12.5MP are not enough im my opinion. Not if you want to crop now and then. Smartphone manufacturer have not been able to figure out the sweet spot yet and that is between 24 and 50MP. Modern hardware can easily handle that. MotionCam showed that a 4K DNG stream of 30-60fps in form of MotionDNG is possible so why not 50MP RAW images? This does not have to be the every day cost but at least there should be the opportunity.

More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).

AJ732101 said:
More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).
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In what program do ypu donwnscaled it ? I seams that gcam can make even better pics

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Problem with GCam is that even if you get RAW your details with a 12.5 RAW image are also very limited. Not like the 27MP from my Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
As long as the Edge 30 Ultra does not grants access to the 2x2 binned 50MP RAW images GCam or ProShot can not create what is not there and this are details from existing pixels.
So the 50MP downscaled 200MP images are superior to the developed 12.5MP RAW is respect to details.

Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image

AJ732101 said:
Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image
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Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?

Wolf.88 said:
Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?
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More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
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Sample 4
Sample 5

AJ732101 said:
More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
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Thank you for your work man. When i look your scaled down photos of 36 mpx its sweet spot , to me it looks better than any phone in terms of detail, and color im blow away by results.

AJ732101 said:
More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
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Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock

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Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock
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Thank you very much for the tip.
But in my opinion the output looks really awful: sample
In terms of color an detail rendering. Looks more than an upscale than a real 50MP image and the RAW files are still 12.5MP. So I doubt that this GCam version has access to the 50MP image surface.
A look into the settings shows that upscaling with a factor 2.0x is active. So no real pixel.
The developer of the great photo app ProShot is in touch with Motorola to get access to the 50MP image plane in RAW so that 3rd party creators like him can get much more out of the hardware that Motorola is capable of.
I am corious if Xiaomi with their 12T Pro that uses the same 200MP sesor is able to do better.

A few days ago I received the version 1.21.2 of the Camera Tuner 4 via Google Play Store.
The update notes stated some image and video improvements.
Until now for the Edge 30 Ultra not to many seem to have received this update.
Still a 200MP downscale looks way better than the 12.5MP right out of the phone.
Look at the grass in this sample
This also applies for the 50MP images.
They do not look bad at all until you see the 200MP downscale as a comparison.
Here some other stuff after the update:
Collection of 200 to 50 megapixel downscales
Collection of 50MP right out of the phone (same motives)

Also in low light the 200MP downscale outperforms the 12.5 content frm the phone by far
The sample

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About camera?

Hi to all
I have several questions about P20 Pro camera:
1. Did x3 optical zoom and x5 hybrid zoo. Have OIS? (Are they stable like optical zoom on S9+?)
2. Did it recording in 1080p 60fps?
3. Can "light fusion technology " be use for 40mp or just dor 10mp?
4. They didn't tell us so much about video recording. Is video recording better then S9+ or not? (I don't believe to DXO mark, but theysey that P20 Pro have better video recording)
5. Did P20 Pro have better HDR like Pixel Xl 2 and S9?
6. Can I use panorama on RGB sensors (40mp)?
7. I see on Youtube that in Pro mode they have just 3200 ISO, but they show us a 102400 ISO. So the camera is not with last software update?
8. Main camera (40mp) dont have OIS? And is AIS like EIS?
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
gavinfabl said:
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Yes and yes.
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Yes and yes.
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Thx and thx thx a lot
Camera samples from the devices at the launch.
All the 10MP samples I've seen look excellent. Certainly better than anything currently on the market.
Even in good light, the 40MP shots appear to be poorly lit and also lacking contrast .. I suspect due to both the huge amount of data being read by the camera software, and the very large resulting image, both metering and post processing are highly suspect. I'm sure it will improve with time, but I suspect that it would benefit from Huawei's next-gen SoC.
Zoom lens / sensor photos are surprisingly decent, as is the hybrid zoom.
What I'm most interested in seeing is image stacking / HDR on the main sensor's 10MP output, if it can do that. Huawei's image stacking / HDR has been a lot weaker than Samsung / Google / Open Camera etc previously.
P.S. For anyone wondering, from what I've been told the main 1/1.7" sensor is a Panasonic one.
I have S8 and S9 os not big difference in camera. SO I would like to buy P20 Pro, BUT it really need to be very good camera much better then S8. But what I see from Forbes I was very sad... The P20 Pro is not big improvement from s8, S9 and Iphon x...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...tout-huawei-p20-pro-vs-iphone-x/#bfc5e745d33b
And if the 40mp camera dark in good light, and you can use it for good photo, why then buy this phone? Why did they put 40mp if they dont have "Renesansa" pgoro and video?
P.S. lets meka a Group in telegram about P20 Pro...
The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
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But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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Thx for you a answer
So they are not possibility to make with update 40mp much better, or good like 10 mp?
I think if they put better pixel, better sensors like they put and 40mp camera then we can take big photo with very good details when zoom in photo, and very good quality photo. I aspect to see much much much better photo then S9+, pixel xl 2, iphon x... with so much better shadows, lights, and etc...
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
What do you want 40MP output for? It's highly unlikely you need 10MP.
You realise 4K is 8MP? Assuming you don't have an 8K TV or monitor yet (33MP)?
How many people do large, super high DPI prints of mobile phone photos ... not many I'd wager.
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
gavinfabl said:
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
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Waooo you got very good photo. Did you make all in RAW rhen edit or?
The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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I’m expecting the P20 Pro to be a lot better. And the creative options are huge.
does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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Someone earlier mentioned it is a Panasonic sensor
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So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
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Think back to the PureView tech. On that I believe the camera produced a 5 or 8MP image. In most cases that's the mode you used, even though you could go for the full-sized image. That often had a lot more noise, as the whole point of the 40MP is to use the data from 4 pixels to produce a cleaner 10MP image.
I took a few 40MP images but Google scales it down to 16MP on high-resolution mode (the mode I've chosen as otherwise I'd quickly use up all my storage) so at some point, I'll take a few more and host them elsewhere to share.
Frankly, we've moved on from playing the numbers game where more pixels is anything people cared about. 40MP here is purely to allow Huawei to do its clever stuff (especially the AI assisted night mode) and not just to sound better than the competition, even though I'm sure that's a rather good side-effect for the marketing department!
There are a lot more photos added to the gallery today, including some more from other people who attended the launch.
I am yet to experiment with RAW and the pro mode, and I do wonder if I'll need to as it is such a good phone for just picking up and shooting, letting the phone do its work. The scene detection works very well, although occasionally it may pick a mode you think isn't what you wanted to capture (e.g. a building where it goes for 'blue sky mode' to boost the colour of the sky) although it doesn't ruin the photo. Plus you can turn it off if you prefer. I don't see any need to yet.
hey @jonmorris,
How's the dynamic range compared with the pixel 2/galaxy s9? Maybe, if you own one of them you could post some comparison pictures .

Camera incapable of 16:9 images at high resolution?

Hi all,
Asking for my dad who is looking at the P20 Pro as a replacement for his Lumia 1020. He's extremely picky & wants an amazing camera, and the P20 Pro fits all his expectations.
The only thing we've noticed when looking at demo devices is that the camera only supports 4:3 images at 40MP. He specifically wants 16:9 or even 18:9 images at high resolution - I'm unable to install 3rd party camera apps on the demo phone we've looked at however.
Can anyone here that owns the phone confirm it does or doesn't support this camera mode?
Thanks in advance ?
ImpulseGX said:
Hi all,
Asking for my dad who is looking at the P20 Pro as a replacement for his Lumia 1020. He's extremely picky & wants an amazing camera, and the P20 Pro fits all his expectations.
The only thing we've noticed when looking at demo devices is that the camera only supports 4:3 images at 40MP. He specifically wants 16:9 or even 18:9 images at high resolution - I'm unable to install 3rd party camera apps on the demo phone we've looked at however.
Can anyone here that owns the phone confirm it does or doesn't support this camera mode?
Thanks in advance
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Yep sadly that's correct
Screen captures of Stock Camera and FV-5
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For now, tell him to keep that 1020, wish I had never sold mine, had the camera grip for it and the photos it took where something else!
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Yep sadly that's correct
Screen captures of Stock Camera and FV-5
For now, tell him to keep that 1020, wish I had never sold mine, had the camera grip for it and the photos it took where something else!
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Thanks for the reply! Have you tried with any other 3rd party camera apps? Think we're both hoping it's gonna happen eventually as I'm tempted by the Pro myself haha.
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Thanks for the reply! Have you tried with any other 3rd party camera apps? Think we're both hoping it's gonna happen eventually as I'm tempted by the Pro myself haha.
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Okay so Open Camera gives same options as FV-5 BUT Camera MX offers 7296x4104 so 30mp
ImpulseGX said:
Hi all,
Asking for my dad who is looking at the P20 Pro as a replacement for his Lumia 1020. He's extremely picky & wants an amazing camera, and the P20 Pro fits all his expectations.
The only thing we've noticed when looking at demo devices is that the camera only supports 4:3 images at 40MP. He specifically wants 16:9 or even 18:9 images at high resolution - I'm unable to install 3rd party camera apps on the demo phone we've looked at however.
Can anyone here that owns the phone confirm it does or doesn't support this camera mode?
Thanks in advance
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Real photos are 4:3 not 16:9. As photographer I hate 16:9 photos
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Real photos are 4:3 not 16:9. As photographer I hate 16:9 photos
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While that may be how the cameras are designed, most screens are 16:9 ratio. Phone cameras aren't designed for award winning photos just point & shoot. Looking at 4:3 images on a 16:9 screen just wastes display real estate...
This has been the case on every phone I've had. 4:3 will always be the highest resolution.
This is on my nexus 6p.
I'm the dad l lol
I simply want high res photos in widescreen.
Personally I can't see the issue.
My 6-7yr old. Lumia 1020 with 41 megapixel sensor, takes 38mp 4:3 pics or 34mp. 16:9 ones.
My Z5 premium takes 23mp 4:3 or 20mp 16:9 pics.
I don't want to get a phone with 40mp sensor and only be able to have 7mp images at a widescreen ratio, kinda defeats the point imo.
I also don't want to end up having to edit every photo to widescreen ratio, not the hundreds of photos I take ?
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While that may be how the cameras are designed, most screens are 16:9 ratio. Phone cameras aren't designed for award winning photos just point & shoot. Looking at 4:3 images on a 16:9 screen just wastes display real estate...
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Any photographer will understand that shooting in 16:9 is wasting pixels. And wasting sensor real estate
It decreased quality doesnt matter how you look at it.
If i need 16:9, i'll just go crop it myself.
I rather have a full quality image to be cropped later, instead of a "pseudo wide" image which cant be reverted back to full size (uncropped) in case i need it.
Ziddy7 said:
I'm the dad l lol
I simply want high res photos in widescreen.
Personally I can't see the issue.
My 6-7yr old. Lumia 1020 with 41 megapixel sensor, takes 38mp 4:3 pics or 34mp. 16:9 ones.
My Z5 premium takes 23mp 4:3 or 20mp 16:9 pics.
I don't want to get a phone with 40mp sensor and only be able to have 7mp images at a widescreen ratio, kinda defeats the point imo.
I also don't want to end up having to edit every photo to widescreen ratio, not the hundreds of photos I take
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Okay so Open Camera gives same options as FV-5 BUT Camera MX offers 7296x4104 so 30mp
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As mentioned, the Camera MX does offer a 30mp image at 16:9 but it seems to be the only one I've found so far.
even on my sony cameras, the 16:9 is lower resolution than 4:3
16:9 is only really good for monitors, otherwise standard 4:3 is the normal output
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Any photographer will understand that shooting in 16:9 is wasting pixels. And wasting sensor real estate
It decreased quality doesnt matter how you look at it.
If i need 16:9, i'll just go crop it myself.
I rather have a full quality image to be cropped later, instead of a "pseudo wide" image which cant be reverted back to full size (uncropped) in case i need it.
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Agree totally
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As mentioned, the Camera MX does offer a 30mp image at 16:9 but it seems to be the only one I've found so far.
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Is there a way to set that app as the default so when you swipe, it starts that instead of the onboard camera app?
Thanks for the reply ?
I tried that app on my Z5 premium (23mp sensor) and it only offered 10mp 16:9 images!
Strange as the standard one does 20mp 16:9
thank you for sorting out the Camera MX app, I have (or had) the same issue with the low res 16:9 settings on the p20 pro.
And i'm also not a photographer, but the only screens i'l use to look at my photo's will be 16:9 led-screens not 3:4 paper...
We've left the the 4:3 ratio on our TV's didn't we?
Shoot in 40mp then crop.
The 7mp wide is nearly 4k resolution anyway. But if you must go higher that is how.
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The dad is right. Cameras support 4:3 because that is closer to 1:1 which is the optimal sensor space behind a lens. However we left 4:3 tv's and monitors a long time ago. Even phones are not 4:3.
Shooting in 4:3 wastes screen space. It looks amateurish on every device but print. Yes you can crop later but thats a drag and its cumbersome to take the crop into account when shooting.
People just show pictures on their phone or screen share on tv. Or upload to a laptop or desktop. Neither device is 4:3. If you like to watch black bars or cutting your images, sure shoot 4:3. If you shoot to display them on a digital device then the first thing you do is shoot 16:9 exclusively.
Did anyone solved this 16:9 issue?
you have to finally decide if you are thinking about photography (then it will be 4:3) or if you want be just a casual picture shooter with the phone (16:9).
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While that may be how the cameras are designed, most screens are 16:9 ratio. Phone cameras aren't designed for award winning photos just point & shoot. Looking at 4:3 images on a 16:9 screen just wastes display real estate...
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Then just crop the image, with the frame you want, 9/10 you won't be shooting an exact image of what would be deemed a final product you would edit and change to the exact image to some degree.
If it's just for scrolling through on a phone? Then it's up to yourself, you'll find that 4:3 is the preferred method 16:9 is for video predominantly.

Can the Sony IMX586 produce true 48MP Images?

Hi All
I've been reading around this for a while and can't quite decide what this sensor can do. I appreciate it's a Quad Bayer arrangement which is very effective for grouping pixels together which allows for good performance in low light and produces 12MP images.
I notice the spec sheet says "48 effective pixels" but I understand this means there are a few extra pixels round the edge used to discover brightness etc, or does effective mean not really?
This could be a dense question, but can this sensor produce true 48MP images? I notice the RAW output on the Mi9 is only 12MP so is probably 48MP pixel binned.
What I'm really looking for 48MP RAW. I'm guessing the output would be very soft and unsharp, but then I can do my own post processing to suit my taste.
Edit: The issues seems to be an incorrect implementation of Camera2 Api which reports max resolution of 3000x4000 for the 48MP camera. It's been reported below so if you'd like to see 48MP jpegs and RAW for 3rd party apps, please visit the link and confirm the issue in a post below.
http://en.miui.com/thread-6249265-1-1.html
Thanks for reading.....
Steve
picitup said:
Hi All
I've been reading around this for a while and can't quite decide what this sensor can do. I appreciate it's a Quad Bayer arrangement which is very effective for grouping pixels together which allows for good performance in low light and produces 12MP images.
I notice the spec sheet says "48 effective pixels" but I understand this means there are a few extra pixels round the edge used to discover brightness etc, or does effective mean not really?
This could be a dense question, but can this sensor produce true 48MP images? I notice the RAW output on the Mi9 is only 12MP so is probably 48MP pixel binned.
What I'm really looking for 48MP RAW. I'm guessing the output would be very soft and unsharp, but then I can do my own post processing to suit my taste.
Thanks for reading.....
Steve
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my mi9 hasnt arrived yet, but from what I read, it CAN output 48mp in an manual mode (not auto). Regarding RAW instead of Jpeg: i don't know if stock app can do it at 48mp, but gcam most probably will (at least when the port is finalized). But using 48mp will disable HDR because its somehow Chipset limited.
Hi Mine has arrived and can confirm the stock camera will take 48MP jpegs. Th RAW output is only 12MP.
But I wonder is it really 48MP? If the sensor is quad bayer, meaning that 4 green pixels are grouped together, then 4 red etc. how can you possibly get full res out of that arrangement?
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Well I think I've answered my own question and it seems to be yes; it can output true 48MP images;
If you slip one pixel right and down, you can group pixels into a traditional RGGB Bayer arrangement. Now that's clever!
If you look at the attached image, I've drawn white boxes around each group of 4 pixels, ignoring the 1st row and column. You can see in each box, there is an RGGB combination, so it's job done!
My brain hurts.....
Steve
picitup said:
Well I think I've answered my own question and it seems to be yes; it can output true 48MP images;
If you slip one pixel right and down, you can group pixels into a traditional RGGB Bayer arrangement. Now that's clever!
If you look at the attached image, I've drawn white boxes around each group of 4 pixels, ignoring the 1st row and column. You can see in each box, there is an RGGB combination, so it's job done!
My brain hurts.....
Steve
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It's like a Pentile Amoled so? It's not a real 48mp like a RGB Amoled would be.
Well I think it's similar as there are twice as many green pixels as red or blue (the same as all Bayer sensors), but I think you can get real 48MP out of it by slipping the matrix by 1 pixel as shown above.
Is that that what you were asking?
Cheers
Steve
Just a quick update on this.
The Camera2 API is Level 3, but the max photo resolutions of the front and rear cameras are misreported for 3rd party apps. Using Camera2 API Probe from here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.airbeat.device.inspector
Shows that the rear camera is 4000x3000 (12MP) and should be 8000x6000 (48MP). The front camera is reported as 2592x1940 (5MP) and should be 5184x3880 (20MP).
The upshot of this is that 3rd party apps produce 12MP images from the rear camera and 5MP images from the front camera.
I've just unlocked my phone and installed xiaomi.eu rom 9.3.28 from here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xi.../files/xiaomi.eu/MIUI-WEEKLY-RELEASES/9.3.28/
But no improvement, it's just the same.
I'll report this as a bug and report back. What I'm really looking for is 48MP RAW for 3rd parties.
Wish me luck....
Steve
picitup said:
Just a quick update on this.
The Camera2 API is Level 3, but the max photo resolutions of the front and rear cameras are misreported for 3rd party apps. Using Camera2 API Probe from here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.airbeat.device.inspector
Shows that the rear camera is 4000x3000 (12MP) and should be 8000x6000 (48MP). The front camera is reported as 2592x1940 (5MP) and should be 5184x3880 (20MP).
The upshot of this is that 3rd party apps produce 12MP images from the rear camera and 5MP images from the front camera.
I've just unlocked my phone and installed xiaomi.eu rom 9.3.28 from here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xi.../files/xiaomi.eu/MIUI-WEEKLY-RELEASES/9.3.28/
But no improvement, it's just the same.
I'll report this as a bug and report back. What I'm really looking for is 48MP RAW for 3rd parties.
Wish me luck....
Steve
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The Sony sensor is not a real 48mp sensor. That's only marketing.
It's a 12mp sensor with real-time HDR
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Hi thanks for your reply. Do you have the data sheet for the sensor? I've scoured the Internet but only found a news release.
I'd really like to understand this if I can. So the 48MP photos in the stock cam are just upscaled 12MP?
Cheers
Steve
I've reported this as a bug to Xiaomi here:
http://en.miui.com/thread-6249265-1-1.html
So if you want 48MP for 3rd party apps, please verify it on the link above and maybe we can get it!
Cheers
Steve
Check datasheet, it's 48Mpix sensor, but won't produce 48Mpix images without array conversion.
Pretty nice article about it:
https://www.androidpit.com/48-mp-or-not-look-at-sony-new-camera-sensor
Hi
Thanks yes I did read that article, but think in my 4th post I explained how to get true 48MP from it. I'm at the limits of my knowledge here, so could be very wrong
The Sony news release says:
When shooting bright scenes such as daytime outdoors, the built-in, original signal processing function performs array conversion, making it possible to obtain high-definition 48 effective megapixel images in real time
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201807/18-060E/index.html
what do you think?
This article:
https://www.quora.com/Why-aren-t-all-48MP-sensors-born-equal
Compares the IMX586 and the Samsung GM1, both 48MP sensors. It says the difference is that the IMX586 has integrated array conversion and can produce true 48MP images, whereas the GM1 does not and can offer only 12MP pixel binned images.
When shooting bright scenes, such as an outdoor environment during daytime, the built-in, original signal processing function performs array conversion (see diagram below), making it possible to obtain high-definition 48 effective megapixel images in real time. Thus, the Sony IMX586 can produce true 48MP photos.
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Sounds promising....
I can only imagine how amazing photos it will be possible to output with Lightroom using 48mpx raws. From what I can read here, it really sounds it will be possible to achieve as hardware-wise everything on paper says it is producing real 48mpx. I just wonder if it's possible to "unlock" this with gcam. Probably I can feel that root will be needed ...
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I can only imagine how amazing photos it will be possible to output with Lightroom using 48mpx raws. From what I can read here, it really sounds it will be possible to achieve as hardware-wise everything on paper says it is producing real 48mpx. I just wonder if it's possible to "unlock" this with gcam. Probably I can feel that root will be needed ...
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Yes I think the potential is there. I've reported it as a bug to Xiaomi higher up, so please click the link and comment and maybe Xiaomi will fix it!
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Yes I think the potential is there. I've reported it as a bug to Xiaomi higher up, so please click the link and comment and maybe Xiaomi will fix it!
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What we need from xiaomi is RAW 48 mp, higher bitrate of the mic, maybe a few other little things and we have the perfect phone. How can we SPAM xioami to do that ?!!
Well 48MP RAW is reported, if you follow the link I reported above, you enter your own bug and hopefully they will fix it. I'm new to Xiaomi so I don't know how much notice they take of bug reports, but they say the more users that confirm the bug, the more likely they will fix it.
Just a quick bump.
If you want to see 48MP RAW on the Mi9, please follow the link on the first post and confirm the issue then hopefully Xiaomi will take note.
Cheers
Please ignore the link on the first post as it keeps getting changed. Here's the link:
http://en.miui.com/thread-6249265-1-1.html
Cheers
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Please ignore the link on the first post as it keeps getting changed. Here's the link:
http://en.miui.com/thread-6249265-1-1.html
Cheers
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Your screenshoot shows 8000*6000 on the last row for photo size, so not a good proof.

Themes / Apps / Mods Samsung Expert Raw app

FYI, just noticed the release of the Expert Raw app by Samsung, supporting all lenses for the S21 Ultra. Editing can be done through Adobe Lighthouse for Samsung.
The app is release in South Korea, but als available through mirror sites.
More info here
thanks.
Manual controls over the telephoto lenses are awesome. However sadly "RAW" here is used loosely since there's built in noise reduction that cannot be adjusted.
Top is "Expert RAW" DNG to JPG with just adjusting brightness. No noise reduction is applied and yet there is very little detail. Bottom picture is just stock camera night mode. More noise, but also more detail.
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I'm testing Expert RAW now and mus confirm, noise reduction exist even on DNG file. You suggest to use other app?
I'll test it tonight
Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen.
2nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
Randi03 said:
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
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Sad but True. Higher ISO level = more agressive processing.
This example with some lightroom touches from x10 tele captured on ISO 50 but on tripod gimbal with 1/15s time.
Glad that they gave us full control at all, that's the most important thing, but they also had to give something back.
More examples with little lightroom postpro. All lenses and this time all captured from hand. Expert RAW creates multiple ammount of photos to some kind of HDR RAW. Anyway theare are much better than photos from standard camera app. Less processing but still exist.
Randi03 said:
Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen. View attachment 54668372nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
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3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
View attachment 5466843
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
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lol that's the thing though, the sensors aren't mediocre. Having a Snapdragon with access to telephoto RAW for a while now, I can definitely say that they're pretty good albeit a little soft and lack contrast. I think it's that Samsung's algorithm is still problematic and they are still catering to the common user who they think is scared of any signs of noise.
Here's a zoomed in picture of a 10x GCam RAW zoomed in with Photoshop Express without noise reduction
And here's the Expert RAW version
Wow, the Gcam looks very nice. That's exactly what I hope to get out of the Exynos someday )
Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more
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Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more
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what GCAM mod are you using btw?
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what GCAM mod are you using btw?
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Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.
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Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.
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if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?
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if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?
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Gcam build number is 8.1.101, might still be available from the links in beserker gcam for snapdragon thread
test
How can I install it? It's a zip file
Hello, i have question - how LOSELESS JPEG function works? Can You share some photos without editing it in external editors like lightroom? I'm interested how jpg from expert camera looks like.
I don't see any different between this camera end the stock camera
Hi, I am not sure what you mean by lossless jpeg. I couldn't find a setting for this. Here you can find 6 JPEG photos. 3 with stock, 3 with expert. All settings (ISO, Exposure, Focus distance, White balance) should be exactly the same as I have manually selected them while keeping the phone on a tripod. Auto HDR was disabled too. https://we.tl/t-WSBZjBGaNB
Also, I am on the Exynos variant.

Question 108MP RAW Pictures possible?

Hi.
I want to ask, if theres any way, to get the phone to just save the RAW Sensor output with 108MP without compressing or altering
the image in any way?
I also ask myself already all the time, why the 108MP setting is only possible in the stock camera app.
If you use for example open camera, its not possible to set a resolution bigger than 12MP. Is this a error, or why does
this happen?
Regards
The 108 mp is hype. The top Canon pro cam is 24.1 mp on a sensor many times bigger. It delivers much sharper, higher resolution images than any smartphone can. It also uses lens that have exponentially more light gathering ability.
Bigger pixels mean more light gathering ability and a higher signal to noise ratio. The noise floor is constant and you need a strong enough signal to overcome it even in digital data sampling.
The highest reasonable mp size for a phone cam sersor is 20mp but 12mp is probably ideal. Sound familiar?
At 108mp that sensor's light gathering ability is almost nothing especially with a lense that size.
Maybe in bright light stills but even then it may lack the bandwidth and processor power to accommodate that amount of data.
How many raw 108 mp images would you even want to store if it was possible?
ME20001 said:
Hi.
I want to ask, if theres any way, to get the phone to just save the RAW Sensor output with 108MP without compressing or altering
the image in any way?
I also ask myself already all the time, why the 108MP setting is only possible in the stock camera app.
If you use for example open camera, its not possible to set a resolution bigger than 12MP. Is this a error, or why does
this happen?
Regards
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If you are on stock MIUI, there's the possibility to make 108 but if you compare with a gcam app like Shamim V12 you'll see that the 108 of MIUI is not as good as gcam pixel binning, further more more storage is needed
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If you are on stock MIUI, there's the possibility to make 108 but if you compare with a gcam app like Shamim V12 you'll see that the 108 of MIUI is not as good as gcam pixel binning, further more more storage is needed
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They had been far better off using larger pixels with better microlense quality/design than doing the binning garbage. Binning only screws up the signal to noise ratio more by increasing the noise floor. A smartphone is already a warm, electronicly noisy device as it is... the enemies of cmos sensors.
Binning is effective to a point at the cost of resolution for low light performance. 108mp binning on a sensor of the size used on smartphones seems counterproductive. Binning can introduce artifacts to the image.
Yes yes yes, I know about the disadvntages of this high resolution, I am into DSLR photography,
but I want to see how the RAW picture from the sensor at full resolution the sensor can deliver looks.
It seems to be impossible to get on a real RAW photo on Stock MIUI ROM?
(I Want to install another ROM anyways, but still waiting for bootloader unlock permission)
Do you have a rom to suggest, that is able to make real 108MP RAW photos, and probably 8k Video (The sensor A Samsung
Isocell HM2 supports that, the ROM doesnt)
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They had been far better off using larger pixels with better microlense quality/design than doing the binning garbage. Binning only screws up the signal to noise ratio more by increasing the noise floor. A smartphone is already a warm, electronicly noisy device as it is... the enemies of cmos sensors.
Binning is effective to a point at the cost of resolution for low light performance. 108mp binning on a sensor of the size used on smartphones seems counterproductive. Binning can introduce artifacts to the image.
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You're right.
But 108 stock isn't good as 12 in gcam, or what you think?
Which cam and settings you're using?
GCAM Doesnt allow 108MP, the stock camera APP seems to be the only one that allows 108, but only as JPG, not
as RAW10 the sensor can output native.
I want to see, how a photo in 108MP looks straight out of the sensor, but it seems not that easy to get
your hnds on one, without the device modifies it before...
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You're right.
But 108 stock isn't good as 12 in gcam, or what you think?
Which cam and settings you're using?
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Don't have this phone. It's likely optimized at or near the best ratio.
At higher brightness levels and if digitally zoomed in it may deliver higher resolution (for that given area).
It's seems these manufacturers now have a rather pointless pixel race in progress.
So to say it short: No one here knows how to get RAW 108MP Photos out of the sensor?
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So to say it short: No one here knows how to get RAW 108MP Photos out of the sensor?
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No such thing is my guess. The hardware has to support that method of output. The best you can do is whatever the lowest binning rate is. If has provisions to access individual pixels on a hardware level it be possible.
The Hardware (Sensor) can do RAW 10 at full 108MP resolution, see here:
108MP ISOCELL HM2 | Mobile Image Sensor | Samsung Semiconductor Global
Samsung ISOCELL HM2 mobile image sensor brings every detail of your scene to life. It delivers 108MP, 0.7um pixel size and Real-time HDR.
semiconductor.samsung.com
It also can record at 8k 24fps or 4k 120fps, but the device doesnt allow 8k at all, and 4k recording only at 30fps...
It seems that they have locked down the software, for what reason ever, probably because its a mid class phone, to prevent
it come too near to the upper class devices...
Its camera also makes already very good photos, if you know what you have to set in the settings. I really would
like to see how this would look in 10Bits uncompressed RAW at 108MP, I tried to upload here one of the 108MP JPG Photos,
but it broke the forum:
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Heres a Dropbox Link for the Picture:
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Shared with Dropbox
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Best is to download it and then take a look on it, the Previev on Dropbox seems to have some issues to handle that resolution.
affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
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affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
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Welcome to XDA.
Pictures or it never happened.
The individual pixels are so minuscule their sampling capture is pathetic and is further exacerbated by the noise floor/noise cancellation errors. Good pixel lens at this microscopic size... no such thing especially at this price point.
A good 26mp even 20mp sensor can capture a sufficient amount of detail for even poster size blowups. These are full frame sensors with precision pixel lens.
Samsung knows this... you'll get a mushy raw image with a hugh file size. Perfect.
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Welcome to XDA.
Pictures or it never happened.
The individual pixels are so minuscule their sampling capture is pathetic and is further exacerbated by the noise floor/noise cancellation errors. Good pixel lens at this microscopic size... no such thing especially at this price point.
A good 26mp even 20mp sensor can capture a sufficient amount of detail for even poster size blowups. These are full frame sensors with precision pixel lens.
Samsung knows this... you'll get a mushy raw image with a hugh file size. Perfect.
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that's a bit of an impolite thing to say although rest assured once it's finished i'll have to find a platform to upload it to so that it can be accessed and viewed without compression, one individual recommended google photos or documents or something like that lol and indeed i usually enjoy the benefits of high resolution capture for forest and nature based photography as of such i usually utilize it during the daytime so the pixel light collection area size isn't a concern for me personally lol also affirmativ the standardized twelve to twenty four megapixel resolution of most modern camera's likely work for the majority of individuals lol.
^_^
nosidamXumres said:
that's a bit of an impolite thing to say although rest assured once it's finished i'll have to find a platform to upload it to so that it can be accessed and viewed without compression, one individual recommended google photos or documents or something like that lol and indeed i usually enjoy the benefits of high resolution capture for forest and nature based photography as of such i usually utilize it during the daytime so the pixel light collection area size isn't a concern for me personally lol also affirmativ the standardized twelve to twenty four megapixel resolution of most modern camera's likely work for the majority of individuals lol.
^_^
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Not impolite, blunt.
I don't think it's capable of much greater resolution than it's getting as is.
Grabbing a good sample per pixel is more important than number of pixels.
16mp is a lot.
As is the file size you're going to get with a raw...
nosidamXumres said:
affirmative it's possible as of today, previously the sensors full potential wasn't accessible due to the extensive os and system feature lock downs but even after the phones themselves were capable of being unlocked the sensor still remained unavailable because it has it's own dedicated chipset that has a dedicated partial operation and algorithm system which meant that it couldn't be modified or accessed unless you had very specialized equipment. there's a lot of technical complexity that i've forgoed elaborating upon to keep this response less lengthy lol, at any rate after roughly a year of effort i've finally found a way to bypass all of the restrictions and i'll be potentially publishing the results of the code named C.I.A.R.A. project once my tests are complete and furthermore i may be able to make such feature functionality commercially available and distributable once the project has been thoroughly and fully completed in all of it's entirely lol.
^_^
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We look forward to your project.
So the code , I take it directly interfaces with the camera or not ?
any elaborations there ?
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We look forward to your project.
So the code , I take it directly interfaces with the camera or not ?
any elaborations there ?
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affirmative that is correct traditionally the only information that comes from specifically the one hundred and eight megapixel sensor with moderate exceptions to the others is the data that has been processed by it's onboard algorithm to compress and save space with and roughly the only information going to that sensors chipset is traditionally update and diagnostic information but now that's been technically bypassed utilizing a code and language that unfortunately can only be emulated which makes it very inefficient because it was designed for completely different custom hardware but nonetheless the project is complete, where can i find a compressionless platform to upload and share my photos? also the image's on average are roughly almost a hundred and fifty megabytes including various metadata lol.
^_^
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affirmative that is correct traditionally the only information that comes from specifically the one hundred and eight megapixel sensor with moderate exceptions to the others is the data that has been processed by it's onboard algorithm to compress and save space with and roughly the only information going to that sensors chipset is traditionally update and diagnostic information but now that's been technically bypassed utilizing a code and language that unfortunately can only be emulated which makes it very inefficient because it was designed for completely different custom hardware but nonetheless the project is complete, where can i find a compressionless platform to upload and share my photos? also the image's on average are roughly almost a hundred and fifty megabytes including various metadata lol.
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Hey there!
i have been waiting for some update on the project.
This might help-
READ THIS FIRST - Development Rules
I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier Only the following topics are allowed in DEVELOPMENT area: [DEV] - Development for any special...
forum.xda-developers.com
You can create a new thread for the development of the project you have made and store the images in a .zip file and share the file with dropbox, gdrive or mega etc.
(Remember to attach the code, and some information about it in the thread you make.)
M0nK_101 said:
Hey there!
i have been waiting for some update on the project.
This might help-
READ THIS FIRST - Development Rules
I know we all have busy lives and don't have time to go through a list of long winded rules, so here's a shortened version to make your life easier Only the following topics are allowed in DEVELOPMENT area: [DEV] - Development for any special...
forum.xda-developers.com
You can create a new thread for the development of the project you have made and store the images in a .zip file and share the file with dropbox, gdrive or mega etc.
(Remember to attach the code, and some information about it in the thread you make.)
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thanks for the suggestions i appreciate it, i created a post attaching images and sharing a google drive link lol.
^_^
Thread 's21 ultra 108mp raw' https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s21-ultra-108mp-raw.4589163/
nosidamXumres said:
thanks for the suggestions i appreciate it, i created a post attaching images and sharing a google drive link lol.
^_^
Thread 's21 ultra 108mp raw' https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s21-ultra-108mp-raw.4589163/
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I read your new post and it's amazing
Hopefully, you'll make the new project available to the public soon.
If you want help, there are many individuals on the internet, you don't need to disclose the language used or anything confidential.
All you need to do, is explain the concept of how you made it possible, and probably there will be someone who'll come for the rescue.
one more suggestion -
you can open a github repo, and add the code which you are trying to make (the latest one), there might be someone who could help....
(ty for mentioning me, it's fine ^_^)
also, both communities of rn10pro and s21_ultra can help you, just gotta mention the working and goal of your idea, and it'll work.

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