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Will Oneplus 3T be also pissed off in 6 months by Oneplus 4 !

As oneplus 3T is a controversial launch for all op3 owners and its dev community, this question came in my mind. We all know how oneplus is treating op2 after release of op3, I am just worried they are gonna do the same with Op3 by discontinuing it. And will the same happen with op3T also when again after few months they will come with another new flagship Op4...

As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.

I don't think they'll be on a 6 month release schedule.
Finally, OnePlus told us this is not indicative of a new line-up and that users should not infer that there will be two separate SKUs (one being superior) in 2017 and beyond — they claim that the OnePlus 3T is a situational phenomenon . . .
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I expect they'll release the OP4 around this time next year or a bit earlier. This device mainly seems to be a challenge to the Pixel (and it serves to better position their releases for Christmas sales?)

Sell the 3T for $350 and get the 4, $100 every 6 months or $200 per year for a flagship product is one hell of a deal...

Hopefully there won't be an OP 4T, there will just be an OP 4 this time next year.

Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.

white43 said:
Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.
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I think its great that they are constantly updating and keeping the devices current...dont have to Wait so long in between devices.
I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
I wish sammy and google would folllow suit honestly...a couple notes per year would be amazing. (As long as they dont spontaneously combust lol)
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force70 said:
I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
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I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?

thats the cell game bro.....look at samsung..

enapah said:
I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?
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It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T

crysen said:
As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.
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This is silly. I still have an awesome phone, better software, greater development than virtually any phone, and have gotten great customer service from OnePlus. Every time I have had to deal with Customer Service/ Tech Support, they have been very helpful and answered all my questions, plus have been extremely efficient when handling various situations and when I had to RMA my device they emailedme almost daily to keep me abreast of what was happening with my device. They have already provided several updates and Nougat is in beta testing, but if you don't want to wait, there are plenty of third party Nougat roms already available. The reason they are available, they released all sources and posted stock roms. So I am not sure why you are so butt hurt and say they are proven to be mistrusted just because they released a new device?

Do you guys think it's better to wait for 1+4 or go with 1+3t?
I can resist... but i don't know if my Nexus5 can do it too.
I've read some of the rumors (2k, 4000mah), but i don't know if they can be trusted.
Sorry if i've made any mistakes, but i'm new :>

IMHO, wait if you can. If any of the rumoured specs are right, this should be a really good device! If you can't wait, check out the 3 on eBay. Now that the 3T is out, 3's are showing up for discounts. Seen them as cheap as $310.

Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!

AnotherM1m said:
Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!
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Don't wait.. If you really wanna buy a new phone, do it now. New devices will always come and manufactures themselves will always make them outdated in few months. So don't wait, buy Op3/Op3t whichever is available in your country and enjoy.
That's how it works.
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Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.

Rossyyy said:
It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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In what way they lied? Did they say that they won't release new phone before next year or what? Why they have to keep 1 year cycle? Because you want them to? What does it change for OP3 user? Their phone specs will get lower somehow? You are getting what you paid for but you expect to be the best for one whole year? Everyone will wait?
I am very happy that they improve, because why not? And it is actually not that they released new phone, they had to produce them more and it was probably just easier to put 821 and battery is just using different voltage.
A lot of butt-hurt here...

Rossyyy said:
It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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I get what you are saying, but that's just how customer point of view, not necessary what explicitly stated by the manufacturer. But, even if what you said is true about standard phones then exactly what exactly is standard? I mean Samsung have tons of phone out each year, and you could also say both the Galaxy S and Note series are just half a year apart, yes they are not exactly the same series of phone, but in many PoV, they are close enough. As far as the manufacturer PoV is concern, OP is considered relatively small company, making two similar phones simultaneously would cost more for them, and thus it make economic sense. But seriously, why would it bother you or anyone? I mean, it is stupid to think that they can't get better android phone half a year from now. Seriously, every month, there is at least a new android phone and most customers would look at the phone that suit them best, or whatever that have the latest and greatest features.

You mention the Samsung phones and yes they are similar but it isn't the exact same model.
Also the note and S series are aimed at different people. I wouldn't want a mobile any bigger than 5.5 and before the op3 I wasn't even sure i wanted to more up to 5.5
If they told customers they were releasing a 3T more people would have waited .
Also I can tell support for the OP3 is going to slowly fade away and be in the same position as the OP2

AnotherM1m said:
Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.
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2K screen, or you mean UHD screen? I have a note 4 right now, and even Notebook w/ UHD, but seriously even after a year and looking at the current situation, i think it's a bit overrated. There still isn't a lot of app or software that take full advantage of that high res. Yes, the screen look nice but only to a certain point. In most cases, it won't be distinguishable from 1080p screen. What suck about it is that your graphic gaming performance will suffer because it's now 4 times the pixels it have to render, and also battery life. Hence I'm leaving the Note 4 to the OP3T.

Where and safest to buy DeepSeaBlue Exynos Note 8, live in Canada.

I have never bought an unlocked phone before, but then again I had never anticipated phones prices becoming so expensive, so I prefer to get the best bang-for-my-buck. Is there a significant performance difference between SnapDragon and Exynos? From some quick research I did, it seems that SnapDragon is slightly better than Exynos in gaming due to its GPU, and Exynos gets better battery performance and a slightly smoother experience all while being an unlocked phone? If it is too much of a hassle to get the Deep sea Blue Exynos Note 8 imported and if there isn't much of a difference I can settle for the SnapDragon one.
I have looked online but find can't any places besides Amazon where I feel safe dishing out $1300 CAD and know its going to be just as good as if I bought it from Samsung (unfortunately amazon doesn't seem to have the blue colour). I get that technically they are a 3rd party seller but their customer service and return policy is so good that it's fine; especially because internationally imported phones seem to have no warranty. I thought about eBay at first, but honestly that's a crap-shoot. Only other possibility was NCIX but I despise them.
would subscribing to a VPN and then loading up the Samsung website in region that has Exynos work?

What makes you think that eBay is a "crap shoot"? Many of us got ours that way.

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What makes you think that eBay is a "crap shoot"? Many of us got ours that way.
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Because I have gotten scammed before and getting your money back is a hassle. Not worth the trouble. Anyway you think it's worth to get the Exynos ?

GreenBirdo said:
Because I have gotten scammed before and getting your money back is a hassle. Not worth the trouble. Anyway you think it's worth to get the Exynos ?
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I think the 256gb and Exynos are worth it. If it was only the cpu I might need to think twice.

I bought mine about 3 weeks ago on ebay.It took 2 weeks to get here from the seller.Despite the seller being a U.S. seller. But in all its glory and beauty I got my 256gb deep blue sea brand new in box I was very happy.
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I found one one and I'm tempted to pull the trigger but the more I think on the the more I'm hesitant. Not having warranty on a $1300CAD device is a little disappointing. You guys thinks it's worth?

Got mine on eBay worth it 100%

Yep do it !! Just get a nice case and your golden.
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Alright, you guys talked me into it. Just three quick questions. Are these two websites reputable? https://www.clove.co.uk/ https://www.omegacell.com/ and are the phones new? As in they won't send me old one someone sent back and call it "new" when shipping it to me.
Also it will work on Freedom Mobile, right? I did my research and it seems to work, but just wanted to double check with you more knowledgeable folks here.
Edit: would Bixby also work?

GreenBirdo said:
I found one one and I'm tempted to pull the trigger but the more I think on the the more I'm hesitant. Not having warranty on a $1300CAD device is a little disappointing. You guys thinks it's worth?
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This is definitely a valid concern. My N950N had the lower usb/mic/speaker/antenna circuit board stop working properly after about a week and apparently quite a few of us have run into issues with that same component. The rest of the phone works perfectly, and the boards are $5 to $10 US once they're available so I'm not very concerned but it is a bit frustrating to pay over $1300 and have something break in the first week, when all the US model phones I've had never had a single issue that wasn't entirely my fault.

i can't find any deepbluesea one's on ebay

Kalm_Traveler said:
This is definitely a valid concern. My N950N had the lower usb/mic/speaker/antenna circuit board stop working properly after about a week and apparently quite a few of us have run into issues with that same component. The rest of the phone works perfectly, and the boards are $5 to $10 US once they're available so I'm not very concerned but it is a bit frustrating to pay over $1300 and have something break in the first week, when all the US model phones I've had never had a single issue that wasn't entirely my fault.
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Damn that sucks. There is no way to ship it back to the seller and have them send it in for a fix, no? You just kind of burst my bubble. But I think I'm still going to pull the trigger. I'll wait 1-2 more days before I drop that much money. But if all I'm losing is WiFi-calling and VoLTE, It's a go from me. If I lose Bixby too, then I guess SD it is.

GreenBirdo said:
Damn that sucks. There is no way to ship it back to the seller and have them send it in for a fix, no? You just kind of burst my bubble. But I think I'm still going to pull the trigger. I'll wait 1-2 more days before I drop that much money. But if all I'm losing is WiFi-calling and VoLTE, It's a go from me. If I lose Bixby too, then I guess SD it is.
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I might have been able to ship it over there but TWRP + root = Knox 0x1 so they wouldn't warranty repair it anyway, nevermind the down time of being without it for who knows how long with shipping both ways and repair time.
You'll lose wifi calling and VoLTE unless you flash your carrier's CSC and make sure they have those features enabled for the new phone. Bixby still works.

Kalm_Traveler said:
I might have been able to ship it over there but TWRP + root = Knox 0x1 so they wouldn't warranty repair it anyway, nevermind the down time of being without it for who knows how long with shipping both ways and repair time.
You'll lose wifi calling and VoLTE unless you flash your carrier's CSC and make sure they have those features enabled for the new phone. Bixby still works.
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I see, I see. Guess the warranty part wouldn't apply to you regardless since you instantly rooted it, lol. VoLTE is okay, but doesn't impact me in anyway. Just seems like better connection/quality. WiFi-calling just seems like more of the same and kind of useless to me personally. Unless I don't understand what it does. But in this day and age we have good enough call quality and pretty much unlimited calling that I don't get the big deal. But to each their own.

GreenBirdo said:
I see, I see. Guess the warranty part wouldn't apply to you regardless since you instantly rooted it, lol. VoLTE is okay, but doesn't impact me in anyway. Just seems like better connection/quality. WiFi-calling just seems like more of the same and kind of useless to me personally. Unless I don't understand what it does. But in this day and age we have good enough call quality and pretty much unlimited calling that I don't get the big deal. But to each their own.
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VoLTE and Wifi calling are basically the same thing, just that one runs on your LTE connection and one runs over your wifi-to-internet connection. They should in theory provide better voice calls than standard 3g can handle. Wifi calling is also great if you can use it overseas - every time I go to Asia I keep my T-Mobile SIM card around and make calls to home people for free because it's going over the internet instead of through the phone system.

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VoLTE and Wifi calling are basically the same thing, just that one runs on your LTE connection and one runs over your wifi-to-internet connection. They should in theory provide better voice calls than standard 3g can handle. Wifi calling is also great if you can use it overseas - every time I go to Asia I keep my T-Mobile SIM card around and make calls to home people for free because it's going over the internet instead of through the phone system.
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Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it. You have been amazing! After much deliberation with myself, I went ahead and bought the SD version. Due to the fact that I'm an extremely picky person when I am spending this much money on a product. I need to be 100% sure the product I received had in no way been opened and used, and I'm fairly certain that they power-up the product to see if it's DOA; this irks me. Also the fact that I don't have warranty was too much of a loss for me. If I get the phone and if it ends up breaking or having screen bleeding I can exchange it no problem. I would rather sacrifice a little bit of performance and [email protected] video over peace of mind in the product i'm getting. Plus I managed to get $700 off the phone due to calling my carrier and complaining about the troubles I have with my current phone.
Also thank you for the information about the differences betwen VoLTE and WiFi-calling
Wish you the best. Cheers mate.

New Sprint Update Today?

Received a notification of a fw update today on my Sprint Note 8. Anyone else get it and maybe know what all it contains?

Camera app improvements, and a KRACK fix. That's why it's small.

I got it today as well. Didn't take it yet. I hate this phone. My service was crappy before, now it's at an all-time high with this piece of garbage. Sprint said I can return it but my rear camera glass is broke. Will they still take it back?

hebejebe said:
I got it today as well. Didn't take it yet. I hate this phone. My service was crappy before, now it's at an all-time high with this piece of garbage. Sprint said I can return it but my rear camera glass is broke. Will they still take it back?
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Really? I love my Note8. By far the best phone I've ever had. Sprint cell signal has always been good where I am, and I'm almost always on WiFi anyway.

Got the Sprint OTA update N950USQU2BQJB a few days ago here in California which carried a security patch and Google Play Services update version 11.7.46 which has been terrible on my battery and particularly Pixel XL & OnePlus users as well as other devices according to online reports.
Have you updated to these versions and seen a dip In your battery life like many others have? And If so, have you seen a any difference in performance after updating your device with this last security patch update 'N950USQS2BQK3' rolled out by Sprint today (12/04/17) ?
Will this update 'N950USQS2BQK3' fix the issue of battery drain Sprint users have been experiencing in the past several weeks?
Thanks everyone.

DaggettBeaver said:
Really? I love my Note8. By far the best phone I've ever had. Sprint cell signal has always been good where I am, and I'm almost always on WiFi anyway.
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I'm between Baltimore and Washington DC. You would think an area so densely populated would have better service to accommodate the demand. We use a family locator app which was very good on our old phones (Note5 and S6). Now, I get an alert 20 minutes after someone arrives or leaves home.
Fortunately my employer supplies my with an iPad with date service thru Verizon

hebejebe said:
I got it today as well. Didn't take it yet. I hate this phone. My service was crappy before, now it's at an all-time high with this piece of garbage. Sprint said I can return it but my rear camera glass is broke. Will they still take it back?
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SAME!!!! Im SO mad at myself for breaking down and getting this horrible phone because of the 50% off promotion and not getting the LG V30 which I originally wanted but had a hard time justifying $38 a month for it being a single mother of two kids on a very tight budget. This phone is CRAP. I talked to sprint last week, talked to 3 different agents and basically was told since I was out of my 14 day window to deal with it. I HATE Sprint just as much as I hate the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 on the Sprint Network. Apps constantly go into a locked spinning like Facebook and I have to force stop apps atleast 20 times a day. Calls dont come through. I constantly keep receiving a text stating "Messenger's enhanced features have been enabled" (Confirmation ID: different evertime) ....I get this text msg anwhere from 5-10 times a day. Ive had done everything the forums have suggested to fix my problems and NOTHING has worked. I have reprogrammed and factory reset and just doesnt get any better! Im beyond frustrated with paying for basically a brick with crappy service!!!

You folks have gotten some pretty nasty lemons. My Note8 has been 100% problem-free. And it's one of the first off the line, since I pre-ordered.
FWIW, I have had problems with calls and messages on Sprint in the past with other phones, and it was a problem at Sprint. I called customer service/technical support, they fixed something at their end, and everything worked after that. I don't know if that's what you're experiencing, but that's just a FWIW.

Mine has been problem free as well aside from one hiccup after a BD update. Other than that it has been flawless.

Hpresley80 said:
SAME!!!! Im SO mad at myself for breaking down and getting this horrible phone because of the 50% off promotion and not getting the LG V30 which I originally wanted but had a hard time justifying $38 a month for it being a single mother of two kids on a very tight budget. This phone is CRAP. I talked to sprint last week, talked to 3 different agents and basically was told since I was out of my 14 day window to deal with it. I HATE Sprint just as much as I hate the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 on the Sprint Network. Apps constantly go into a locked spinning like Facebook and I have to force stop apps atleast 20 times a day. Calls dont come through. I constantly keep receiving a text stating "Messenger's enhanced features have been enabled" (Confirmation ID: different evertime) ....I get this text msg anwhere from 5-10 times a day. Ive had done everything the forums have suggested to fix my problems and NOTHING has worked. I have reprogrammed and factory reset and just doesnt get any better! Im beyond frustrated with paying for basically a brick with crappy service!!!
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Well that sucks . I've had it since a week before launch and the N8 is amazing. No lag problems, no service problems. First phone with android in 7 yrs I haven't rooted .

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Any thoughts on when the Oreo update is to drop?

should I return my new brand new Mate 10 pro?

Should I return my new Mate 10 pro?
very new here. Bought mate 10 pro from amazon recently. Absolutely love the phone. it's so snappy and has fantastic camera and battery life. infact got one for my wife who loves the phone too. But, there are news/rumours circulating that Huawei plans to completely abandon mate 10 pro in north America and last update was in sometime in march.
While rest of the world with same model gets updates it looks like Huawei has turned a blind eye to customers who purchased in the US.
I'm not on of those guys who is willing to root or change device version to get updates. it is one of the reasons to buy a premium device. I'm wondering if I should carry a premium device with no updates in the horizon. I mean I'm not really sure if there is any point in doing so.
Still have about 10 days left. Should I return it or just hope Huawei will update this device and hold on?
are there other easy options to get timely updates?your thoughts pls....
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-gpu-turbo-update-phone-list-886196/

Masterguy said:
Should I return my new Mate 10 pro?
very new here. Bought mate 10 pro from amazon recently. Absolutely love the phone. it's so snappy and has fantastic camera and battery life. infact got one for my wife who loves the phone too. But, there are news/rumours circulating that Huawei plans to completely abandon mate 10 pro in north America and last update was in sometime in march.
While rest of the world with same model gets updates it looks like Huawei has turned a blind eye to customers who purchased in the US.
I'm not on of those guys who is willing to root or change device version to get updates. it is one of the reasons to buy a premium device. I'm wondering if I should carry a premium device with no updates in the horizon. I mean I'm not really sure if there is any point in doing so.
Still have about 10 days left. Should I return it or just hope Huawei will update this device and hold on?
are there other easy options to get timely updates?your thoughts pls....
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-gpu-turbo-update-phone-list-886196/
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Actually, I think that the US made it extremely difficult for Huawei to sell their product.
So they might have reason to hold back on US handsets.... I just remember that Huawei were almost blacklisted in the USA for a while.....
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pablo11 said:
Actually, I think that the US made it extremely difficult for Huawei to sell their product.
So they might have reason to hold back on US handsets.... I just remember that Huawei were almost blacklisted in the USA for a while.....
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They are infact updating other models. Not sure why they are holding this back.
Decisions! Decisions!!
So love this phone. Hunt for another crappy samsung phone will leave me high and dry.

Masterguy said:
They are infact updating other models. Not sure why they are holding this back.
Decisions! Decisions!!
So love this phone. Hunt for another crappy samsung phone will leave me high and dry.
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Hard question, huawei support will probably give you a bs answer so thzat you keep the phone.
I havent heard that they are abandoning the US handsets from what I heard they just late on updates but so are the UK and Australia. For all i know you should not keep the phone if timely updates are important to you.
If you love the phone exept for that one fact i think it is worth keeping it. there is no perfect phone and if updates are not your biggest concern then be it. LG and samsung lack behind on updates even more. so in this regard you are still alright (my friend once did not receive one update in 6 months on his s8 last year) LG v30 (flagship of last year) just got the oreo update.
If you ask me your phone wont be hacked and destroyed if you dont have the latest android security patches (many oems got caught faking the newest versions anyway). and for the safety of your data: lol you give them away for free to all those tech companies anyway so why bother, the intelligence services already have access.
and especially all this huawei is a bad chinese spying company stories are completely made up and not backed by any evidence. this is coming from the only country that actually got caught (snowden leaks) so i would highly doubt everything these "intelligence" services say without providing solid evidence.

Masterguy said:
Should I return my new Mate 10 pro?
very new here. Bought mate 10 pro from amazon recently. Absolutely love the phone. it's so snappy and has fantastic camera and battery life. infact got one for my wife who loves the phone too. But, there are news/rumours circulating that Huawei plans to completely abandon mate 10 pro in north America and last update was in sometime in march.
While rest of the world with same model gets updates it looks like Huawei has turned a blind eye to customers who purchased in the US.
I'm not on of those guys who is willing to root or change device version to get updates. it is one of the reasons to buy a premium device. I'm wondering if I should carry a premium device with no updates in the horizon. I mean I'm not really sure if there is any point in doing so.
Still have about 10 days left. Should I return it or just hope Huawei will update this device and hold on?
are there other easy options to get timely updates?your thoughts pls....
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-gpu-turbo-update-phone-list-886196/
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I called support yesterday after seeing that article. They told me the US Mate 10 Pro is definitely getting face unlock, camera enhancements and EMUI 8.1 but no guarantee on GPU Turbo... It sucks. I am disappointed. You are better off returning the Mate 10 Pro and getting a P20 Pro. The P20 Pro allows for VoLTE on US carriers including T-Mobile and AT&T out of the box and then you'll get the updates we all want. The international version of the Mate 10 Pro, the BLA-L29, does not support VoLTE out of the box. You have to unlock bootloader and root the phone to make that work and then you'll get the updates you want but I believe every time you update your phone from that point on, you have to set it up from scratch...
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I contacted Huawei service as well and they did mention that US version will get an update. I guess US model will be among the last to receive updates as Huawei really doesn't have much market here so they would focus more on other regions. If slow software updates bugs you, yes return the phone. I have been using this phone for 6 months now and i like it except for few s/w bugs which are annoying but not deal breaker for me. Hopefully 8.1 will fix most of those.
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shreyashmalani said:
I contacted Huawei service as well and they did mention that US version will get an update. I guess US model will be among the last to receive updates as Huawei really doesn't have much market here so they would focus more on other regions. If slow software updates bugs you, yes return the phone. I have been using this phone for 6 months now and i like it except for few s/w bugs which are annoying but not deal breaker for me. Hopefully 8.1 will fix most of those.
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US is not getting GPU update. But seemingly everything else but last in line
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spoke with CSR. He didn't give out too much information. He said that this is a new device and chances for not having updates is highly unlikely given huawei is selling these phones as unlocked in US with warranty.
He said it may get delayed depending on when the software is tested and ready for release. But again no commits since he didn't have any dates. The only thing he told was he cannot comment on news from third party sites.

KevinAce said:
I called support yesterday after seeing that article. They told me the US Mate 10 Pro is definitely getting face unlock, camera enhancements and EMUI 8.1 but no guarantee on GPU Turbo... It sucks. I am disappointed. You are better off returning the Mate 10 Pro and getting a P20 Pro. The P20 Pro allows for VoLTE on US carriers including T-Mobile and AT&T out of the box and then you'll get the updates we all want. The international version of the Mate 10 Pro, the BLA-L29, does not support VoLTE out of the box. You have to unlock bootloader and root the phone to make that work and then you'll get the updates you want but I believe every time you update your phone from that point on, you have to set it up from scratch...
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Don't get hung up on GPU turbo update. I work for the world's best GPU company (NVIDIA) . The numbers they quote are usually fudged. Yes you can have 10-15% perf enhancement with improved power efficiency, But don't read too much into it.
Now coming back to my usage, I rarely game. My usage is usually email, browser, messages, maps. I have moved away from all this phone gaming 3-4 years back. So your news that all updates except GPU turbo update sounds encouraging to me. But then again I'm not sure if I want to buy a sales tech support specialist. Still dilly dallying on my decision to keep the phone or not.
Phone is too good. Just worried about not even getting security updates let alone major updates.

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Don't get hung up on GPU turbo update. I work for the world's best GPU company (NVIDIA) . The numbers they quote are usually fudged. Yes you can have 10-15% perf enhancement with improved power efficiency, But don't read too much into it.
Now coming back to my usage, I rarely game. My usage is usually email, browser, messages, maps. I have moved away from all this phone gaming 3-4 years back. So your news that all updates except GPU turbo update sounds encouraging to me. But then again I'm not sure if I want to buy a sales tech support specialist. Still dilly dallying on my decision to keep the phone or not.
Phone is too good. Just worried about not even getting security updates let alone major updates.
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You make excellent points. I don't game on my phone either. They are making the USA wait the longest just with general updates which I'm unhappy with on my BLA-A09. And on my home rig I have a GTX 1080. I'm very happy with Nvidia.
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You make excellent points. I don't game on my phone either. They are making the USA wait the longest just with general updates which I'm unhappy with on my BLA-A09. And on my home rig I have a GTX 1080. I'm very happy with Nvidia.
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You are worried about long wait. I'm worried about never ending wait . Phone is just sooo fluid. it just flies.

KevinAce said:
The P20 Pro allows for VoLTE on US carriers including T-Mobile and AT&T out of the box and then you'll get the updates we all want. The international version of the Mate 10 Pro, the BLA-L29, does not support VoLTE out of the box. You have to unlock bootloader and root the phone to make that work and then you'll get the updates you want but I believe every time you update your phone from that point on, you have to set it up from scratch...
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Not true I have bla-l29 c432 and volte works just fine since I bought it in January. Just not all carriers support it.

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Not true I have bla-l29 c432 and volte works just fine since I bought it in January. Just not all carriers support it.
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The BLA-L29 works in the USA with VoLTE with which carriers? Maybe you misunderstand me? I said the BLA-L29 does not work with any US carriers with VoLTE. Huawei locked it down since they have a US version of the phone, the BLA-A09.
I'm sincerely curious because I've tried many and have not had success. Definitely did not work with T-Mobile...
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The BLA-L29 works in the USA with VoLTE with which carriers? Maybe you misunderstand me? I said the BLA-L29 does not work with any US carriers with VoLTE. Huawei locked it down since they have a US version of the phone, the BLA-A09.
I'm sincerely curious because I've tried many and have not had success. Definitely did not work with T-Mobile...
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lol sorry i just read the part with the mate 10 pro, skipped details on the p20 sentence. sorry

Just picked one up as well on Amazon prime day and also felt a little weary because of lack of updates and also spoke to tech support and reassured me that updates will still come, but not in the manner the rest of the world is receiving. They still intend to be a player in the states in the future so it makes sense for them to continue to support their small fanbase currently in the states. And it seems they have a location in Texas dedicated for phone repairs, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but hopefully it means they're investing/gambling on a future here in the states.

I have the mate 10 pro usa version ...If I had the option to get it today I would not get it, not because it's not a fantastic phone but because after speaking to their customer service today, the details which I posted in another thread, they have obviously relegated the usa models to unwanted cousin status. It's possible it may get future updates but it is not in their priorities.
I would either get a different make like the oneplus with usa support or get an international version of the P20 or the upcoming mate 20, definitely not a usa model, unless you get it at a bargain price.

Hmm, still interested in buying, but maybe its better to spend the extra $30 on Amazon to get the international version (BLA-L29) and avoid the US model.

Amazon Germany now sells it for 450€ compared to the starting price of 800€ (with tax). I think roughly 40% discount on whatever it started at in the US is a good deal. If you'd only save like 25% for a 'previous-year-flagship' i think its too expensive. Here in Germany/Europe prices of Android phones drop very fast. Especially LG and samsung. The G7 hit us with the ridiculous price of 850€ in Mai and dropped down to 575€ (30%) already, in just 2 months. Samsung S9 dropped from 850€ to 590€ (30%) in 4 months. Thats why the oneplus 6 isnt really the "cheap alternative" here, all the other phones, released before one plus, dropped to 500-600 already.
Then again I dont know how prices develop in the US in general. I would not suggest buying it for more than 65% of its starting price. Thats still too expensive for a phone that wont see much support and with last year's soc. (On the contrary, an extra good deal should be what justifies the bad update policy.)
If I had to choose today, I would opt for a OnePlus 6. It has an attractive price and software support, decent battery life and a faster (future proof) soc. I really think that all the downsides of the OnePlus (mono speaker, camera just under the top 5 and missing ip67) don't overshadow the overall package you get. Especially since there are the exact same waterproofing rubber bands used to seal up the phone than with all the ip67/8 phones.

Same boat, I bought one on Prime Day. Fantastic phone, super fluid, quick, fastest camera I've ever used. The news since on the GPU update, which isn't the be-all as it only works with a limited number of titles at present, is worrisome. While I don't need constant android patches, once every month or two would be nice. - For some reason, I'm not a Samsung fan, can't explain it, just not. Came off a ZTE Axon 7, which was a great phone for 2 years, but the Mate 10 Pro just flies.
What are the options to rebrand to another country on the BLA-L09? - Worth doing, do we loose anything, does anything stop working, and can it still be done?

I just saw that this phone is back down to $499 on Amazon. Then I remembered that the Huawei unlock program ends tomorrow...

Backup Software for Note 9

I've read about SmartSwitch and Kies 3. I currently use Kies 3. I don't care how user-friendly, clever, or fast it is. Anything better than Kies 3 to be able to restore single apps and pull out previous APKs? We learned the hard way that we need to turn off Google automatic updates from the play store. They arbitrarily roll out new policies that cripple businesses and cost them many thousands of dollars.
Thanks!

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79320380&postcount=14

TWiiTCH said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79320380&postcount=14Do not downgrade if a current bootloader is newer than old one. You can't revert bootloaders but you can up or downgrade if same version or new one that's higher.
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I have never been so frustrated with a phone purchase. I probably have 40 hours in this and it looks like it isn't over yet. First people say once it's upgraded to Pie there is no going back. Next they say it's no problem. Next they say you cannot go back to Oreo and I have a phone on order that is about to get re-listed if I cannot revert it. Now I'm rooting for Hawwaie, a new operating system, and for them to be a US carrier. These guys are criminal.

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I have never been so frustrated with a phone purchase. I probably have 40 hours in this and it looks like it isn't over yet. First people say once it's upgraded to Pie there is no going back. Next they say it's no problem. Next they say you cannot go back to Oreo and I have a phone on order that is about to get re-listed if I cannot revert it. Now I'm rooting for Hawwaie, a new operating system, and for them to be a US carrier. These guys are criminal.
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I feel your frustration. I bought this phone because I wanted a hi end hi performance phone & I thought I'd stay on Oreo until there was a root method for my Snapdragon model only to find out that after hitting no to the update request about 20 times it still forced me to upgrade. Why the heck do they ask if you want to upgrade or not if they're just going to force you to upgrade anyway. As for the bootloader thing if you are on version 1 it doesn't matter what release firmware you put on it just as long as it is bootloader version 1 or higher. Once you go to a firmware that has bootloader version 2 or higher you are unable to go back 2 a firmware that is lower then the one you're currently on. It is stupid but I don't know what to say because I am in your position, stuck with a phone I cannot root and paid big money for. If you have any questions on how to do things just PM me and we can chat I am fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Samsung devices and the note 9 as I've had mine since it was released. Do you have the exynos or snapdragon model? Mine is snapdragon so that is the one I am most familiar with. If I don't know something that you ask me I will not lie and pretend like I do know and feed you information that could lead you down a bad Road. I will give you answers if I do have the correct ones and I am sure of that.
What is it you wish to do or have done with your phone? If it is rooting/jailbreak and you have the exynos model you have an 80% chance that you can succeed in doing so. If you have the Snapdragon model like me we probably will not see a jailbreak or root anytime soon, if at all. There are ways and tricks to get around a lot of problems but they involve work and knowledge and time and usually they are a lengthy process to complete a simple task if it doesn't come out of the box already doing what you wish.
I'd love to trade mine if I could find somebody with a phone that is rootable and it's in the same quality and performs close to the way this one does. I'm going to hold off though because I have downgraded to Oreo and everything I need is functioning at the moment. My only wish 4 root is because I'd like to run Viper4android to be able to get the best sound quality out of the phone possible. For me there is not enough Bass and the volume level is too low, and when you turn the bass or treble up using the EQ provided by Samsung the music goes quieter just so the bass and treble sound louder by comparison. This phone has a very low end audio quality in my opinion. I hate the earbud headphones they come with, AKG I believe. They keep falling out of my oddly shaped ear canal and don't provide me with anything I'd consider special sounding. They rate the headphones as high end $100 value but to me I've bought better for $29.99. Some may disagree but with hiphop/rap I need, well like heavy bass & sharp snappy treble without loss of mid range vocals. I'm getting married in 3/4 of a year, maybe I'll ask for a wedding gift (doing a money tree) and get me some $400 beats over ear headphones by Dr Dre. This phone without viper4android may not push them tho so I'll get a Bluetooth model which provides its own amp power supply.
Like I said if you have questions I'll tell you what I know, what I've actually done myself, and what I'm unsure of. I feel for you so least I can do is offer. Don't give up just yet. Day 2 on Oreo 8.1.0 and still nothing about updates has come up. It's two simple adb commands that stops the forced updates and it affects nothing on the phone. No prompts or error messages & EVERYTHING else works fine. It's easy to undo also and does not void warranty.
Cheers mate, take a deep breath & we can look at each issue 1 by 1. Hopefully their easy to correct.
I'm Ryan by the way. Ttyl ?.

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I'd love to trade mine if I could find somebody with a phone that is rootable and it's in the same quality and performs close to the way this one does.
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There is, the Pixel 2XL. The Pixel 3XL came with Pie. There isn't much difference between the two. The reason I didn't is I will be living in a South America most of the time and I want Samsung Pay otherwise the Pixel 2XL almost had
me giving up the stylus.
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Like I said if you have questions I'll tell you what I know, what I've actually done myself, and what I'm unsure of. I feel for you so least I can do is offer. Don't give up just yet.
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If it doesn't come with the right boot loader I'll list it back on eBay and get one that does.
I don't buy phones often because it takes me 80 hours to get one the way I need it. Once I was able to get a phone with a stylus, and I could run line-of-business software, the Touch Pro2, it would be hard for me to give up the stylus. The Touch Pro2 was simply a Pocket PC and you could wipe it and install any operating that had drivers on it, including Android. It could emulate anything, including an iPhone. I'd still have a Windows phone if they made one but Balmer trashed it and started putting Zune on phones with Windows Phone and then it lost it's entire software base, including the Word, Excel, and Outlook that was baked in, and took Nokia down with it. That is what brought Android out of obscurity. I didn't move to Android until the Note 3 because it was the first point in time that Android had enough competent software for line-of-business apps, and the reason I didn't go IOS is because the same apps in the iPhone didn't work right, and I couldn't get where I needed to go, with call recording being one. It was also the latest I could get root. With root we can do site surveys, see what the bands are in a certain area, troubleshoot networks, etc., so we will keep the Verizon Note 3s for that purpose as they have no resale since they cannot be added to the Verizon network after the first of the year because they don't have LTE-A like the Note 4. The Note 8 and the Note 9 are the only ones with the bands needed to be able to work on a variety of networks around the world, that has a stylus, can still record calls if running Oreo, and has Samsung Pay. There is no advantage for me to buy a Samsung without a stylus. The problem with the Note 8 is battery life and it would probably come with an older battery. For those reasons the Note 9 is the only duck in my pond. I couldn't use a Note 10 if someone gave it to me.
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Day 2 on Oreo 8.1.0 and still nothing about updates has come up. It's two simple adb commands that stops the forced updates and it affects nothing on the phone. No prompts or error messages & EVERYTHING else works fine. It's easy to undo also and does not void warranty.
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ADB access for most is about over, and Verizon is the name of a new virus that works around your OTA protections. I'm going to go with what Jammol stated on this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus this video for phone settings: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus install Package Disabler Pro+.
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Cheers mate, take a deep breath & we can look at each issue 1 by 1. Hopefully their easy to correct. I'm Ryan by the way. Ttyl .
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I have a Note 9 on the way, setting up my plan, and ordering and downloading. The phone is my mini business laptop. It has my mail, schedule, software to support people remotely, tracks my time, takes notes for my calls, etc. I don't use it for movies, games, or music. What turns my ears red is when they make changes that cost me thousands of dollars in lost history and change things to where I lose business functionality. If I find the guy who did Pie and took away my call recording, I'm going to revoke his social media accounts, take the transmission out of his car to keep him safe and from breaking the law with any inadvertent traffic violations, and board up all of the windows on his house to protect his privacy. I know what's best for his life. BTW, I'm Jack

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:laugh:There is, the Pixel 2XL. The Pixel 3XL came with Pie. There isn't much difference between the two. The reason I didn't is I will be living in a South America most of the time and I want Samsung Pay otherwise the Pixel 2XL almost had
me giving up the stylus.
If it doesn't come with the right boot loader I'll list it back on eBay and get one that does.
I don't buy phones often because it takes me 80 hours to get one the way I need it. Once I was able to get a phone with a stylus, and I could run line-of-business software, the Touch Pro2, it would be hard for me to give up the stylus. The Touch Pro2 was simply a Pocket PC and you could wipe it and install any operating that had drivers on it, including Android. It could emulate anything, including an iPhone. I'd still have a Windows phone if they made one but Balmer trashed it and started putting Zune on phones with Windows Phone and then it lost it's entire software base, including the Word, Excel, and Outlook that was baked in, and took Nokia down with it. That is what brought Android out of obscurity. I didn't move to Android until the Note 3 because it was the first point in time that Android had enough competent software for line-of-business apps, and the reason I didn't go IOS is because the same apps in the iPhone didn't work right, and I couldn't get where I needed to go, with call recording being one. It was also the latest I could get root. With root we can do site surveys, see what the bands are in a certain area, troubleshoot networks, etc., so we will keep the Verizon Note 3s for that purpose as they have no resale since they cannot be added to the Verizon network after the first of the year because they don't have LTE-A like the Note 4. The Note 8 and the Note 9 are the only ones with the bands needed to be able to work on a variety of networks around the world, that has a stylus, can still record calls if running Oreo, and has Samsung Pay. There is no advantage for me to buy a Samsung without a stylus. The problem with the Note 8 is battery life and it would probably come with an older battery. For those reasons the Note 9 is the only duck in my pond. I couldn't use a Note 10 if someone gave it to me.
ADB access for most is about over, and Verizon is the name of a new virus that works around your OTA protections. I'm going to go with what Jammol stated on this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus this video for phone settings: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...9-snapdragon-oreo-verizon-wont-t3939073/page2 plus install Package Disabler Pro+.
I have a Note 9 on the way, setting up my plan, and ordering and downloading. The phone is my mini business laptop. It has my mail, schedule, software to support people remotely, tracks my time, takes notes for my calls, etc. I don't use it for movies, games, or music. What turns my ears red is when they make changes that cost me thousands of dollars in lost history and change things to where I lose business functionality. If I find the guy who did Pie and took away my call recording, I'm going to revoke his social media accounts, take the transmission out of his car to keep him safe and from breaking the law with any inadvertent traffic violations, and board up all of the windows on his house to protect his privacy. I know what's best for his life. BTW, I'm Jack
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I looked around and even found a great condition pixel 2 XL that somebody was willing to trade for my Samsung Galaxy S8 but I was nervous about a used phone, and luckily once I called my carrier to check if the pixel would run on their Network they told me it didn't. I am with Eastlink Mobility in Eastern Canada and their firmware customer code or abbreviation is esk. They stated that they sell only the phones that work on their Networks (many) and phones purchased elsewhere would not work on there modem bands and would only be able to purchase second hand phone that they carry in store so that I would be okay and I would be able to connect to their towers. To me this sounds like a bunch of bul****, there are many many bands and Eastlink Mobility doesn't even own any Towers. The service they provide is through rented Towers from Bell Canada and Telus Canada and Rogers Canada. This being the case I would assume any phone that runs on any of these Networks should be able to be hooked up and used with my current provider without me having to purchase a brand new phone. I think it is a money grab and also all the phones that they do sell currently are not able to be rooted. Very small selection. Only newest Note 9+ Galaxy S10, iPhone X, and some cheapos that liik ancient.
FOR $150 a month I get...
Unlimited nationwide long distance calling. Unlimited local calling 24/7. I have insurance that covers everything even if I dropped it on concrete face down and stepped on it getting out of the car to pick it up and shattered the screen rendering the phone useless (whick I did a week after buying the note 9) God that sucked/was dumb. This insurance does not expire ever as long as I keep it on my plan. It doesn't matter the reason the phone is damaged so it's a pretty good insurance plan. I also get 7gb of mobile data each month and unlimited sms/mms but I'm still wondering if WiFi calling will be activated. I see through package Disabler there is a WiFi calling apk. why it'd be there if there was no intention on using it 1 day, but I'm sure Eastlink will be last to get it available. Google pay & Samsung pay are not compatible with my bank/country/provider so their just wasting space. I have bixby turned off atm. Single press - settings, double press - game launcher, & long hold press is screenshot. Quite handy, I used button remapper & setup on pc was a breeze. Wish me luck finding a "looked after" (female owner sosted prob never rooted) pixl 2.
I'm thinking I'll keep this note & use very lightly with my screen cover & Otterbox & sell before I'll lose out on resale when it becomes too low, meaning I'll sell if a good option appears & I can profit off mine still due to keeping EVERYTHING it came with. & in mint shape. Carrier unlocked but I think they have to unlock if requested now due to a law passe. The must provide you with free code. I have my Box, manual/warrenty, no scratches, all oem parts which most are still unopened or have never been used even, and in mint condition. Never been messed with or buggy issues. I'll keep my eyes open for pixel 2 but I'm pretty sure I'll run into the previous issue I mentioned. Denial by carrier.

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If you have any questions on how to do things just PM me and we can chat.
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I took you up on that because I didn't want to reduce the usefulness of this thread to others by thread drift into chat over other topics and strategies, which I started doing already.