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Buy now or wait???

My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?

if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year

well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.

Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.

My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.

andrewluecke said:
My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?

jebise101 said:
thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.

In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.

andrewluecke said:
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.

I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.

Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?

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Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!

I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).

azgull said:
I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.

What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january

Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while

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Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.

Toss3 said:
StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored

Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven

[Q] Opinions on lack of updates so far?

I just read a thread on Tmonews that got me thinking, it has been 3 months since WP7 launched and there have been no updates. Microsoft was discussing updates even before launch with regards to copy and paste.
What are your opinions on the lack of updates? Is 3 months too long for the first update?
I think Microsoft is taking too long getting the first update out, since they are trying to rebuild their reputation in the mobile OS field. Also they are missing out on sales from customers waiting for features to be added that have been promised in updates (copy/ paste and multiple calendar syncing).

Could be worse. Lol. Just saying. Other than updates is it a decent phone?
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It's been way too long. At first it was January, then early next year and now the latest rumours are Q1.
I'm hoping something comes before MWC otherwsie all those new phone for the platform will not have too much of a chance.
Microsoft really needs to improve this. Rather release small bug fixes then wait months to apply a 'service pack'.

I have yet to come across an instance where I needed copy/paste or missed it.
So, I don't care. They could never release an update and I'll still think this OS rocks.

Extremely disappointed in the fact we haven't had no updates from microsoft after 3 months and not even a confirmed date or month for the first so called update I'm so fed up with having to reboot my phone because marketplace is not working they should think more about us early adopters and release bug fixes on a more regular basis.

Does it really effect what you do/need or is it important to you because you feel inadequate in the ongoing mobile device internet d!ck measuring contests?
In other words, quit crying.

I don't see why Microsoft is not pushing smaller updates more frequently, especially since they made such a big deal out of the fact that update would come straight from Microsoft and not the manufacturers.
I was just curious to see what you guys who are using WP7 on a daily basis thought.

I don't get it I remember back in the days of the Windows Vista release everyone *****ed and complained "Microsoft released it to soon because it had a lot of bugs". Same thing here, then if all you whiners would get your update now I most definitely put my money on seeing those posts *****ing about that their update was to soon because it still has a lot of bugs". Your dammed if you do huh! LOL.

Updates can be a real pain for application developers and in this case they will be trying to implement the cut and paste options, I think Microsoft are doing it right, make sure what they do update works and is correct before releasing to the world, the worst thing they can do is release an update that needs patching, we don't want to see WP7 following the route of iOS, anyway the first update is coming on the 7th Feb not far to wait.

Are you sure about 7th Feb?
Honestly, I can't wait to see how the system will evolve and I really miss some of the things I had on the WinMo 6.5

THUDUK said:
Updates can be a real pain for application developers and in this case they will be trying to implement the cut and paste options, I think Microsoft are doing it right, make sure what they do update works and is correct before releasing to the world, the worst thing they can do is release an update that needs patching, we don't want to see WP7 following the route of iOS, anyway the first update is coming on the 7th Feb not far to wait.
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Where have you heard Febuary 7?
I have not heard anything officially or unofficially since the original rumor of January, which did not materialize.

I'm not so much concerned about the timing of this update as the lack of information on future updates.
We've been told about Mango but that's scheduled for way later in the year (plus the timing will slip).
The first update is pretty minor considering the number of things that need fixing, features that need adding and API's that need opening up.
MS will screw this up if they can't pump out some significant improvements and fast.

I'm kind of bothered by the lack of updates here's why:
They made such a big deal pre-launch about the updates and kind of used it as selling poing in most interviews I've seen
There are some well documented bugs some of which seem really important
It's the least they could do, "Harvest" was a launch title that MS used to really push the platform, and everyone knows that the game crashes (beyond resolution some times) forcing you to start all over. I'm not a big gamer, and I eventually beat the game but c'mon!
I think WP7 users have been really patient they should show us some love, if not by releasing the update in a timely manner, then at least by keeping us informed on the progress, and not keeping us in the dark
My phone evolution = WM<Android<WP7 but I'm growing really concerned. Especially when I have to keep my Nexus1 bedside because my phone gets frozen when my alarm tries to go off, or the sound stops working and requires a reboot (well documented issues).
I'm not really complaining because I can always put my SIM card in my Nexus1, HD1, HD2, or some other phones I have, but I really love WP7 and have hope for the OS.

If i didnt love the UI i would have never bought it. But it seems i keep getting more disappointed every day. Just waiting for that update to fix all the issues. Wrecks my head sometimes

Can they give us a date or what fixes will go to the first update ?
I don't think we are asking much.
I love my HD7 and WM7 that's why I'm excited about the new update.

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Far too much of this. Or too many of you got "lemons".
Just sayin'.

I know its fustrating now :S even had thoughs of selling the HD7 and get DHD. Though i will wait out till the update and see how things are then. It better be a damn good update!!
I see alot of software related bugs.
Marketplace freezes, Some sort of software bug makes screen go weird. The video cam settings wont stay at 720p. Just if they could increase the performance of pivot and panorama apps i would be happy. My most fav social feeds and facebook and twitter app lag like **** and make me use the browser version to go look at my feeds. Really MS needs to hire either more people or give the existing people a kick up their hole to speed up. The whole world watching and the longer they delay this the worse its gonna get for the users who gave them their money.

What do you think will happen to nokia?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/...oops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/#disqus_thread
With the monsoon tidal wave ultra onslaught of that which is android, and in addition to all the other OS's (be it iOS, WP7, or WebOS) they've got some stiff competition from all sides. And it's only going to get...stiffer.
So.
What do you guys think? I really don't know what to expect. On one hand...it's freaking Nokia! They can't be defeated with their vast numbers!! On the other hand.... every time I open Tech Blog____ and read about the monstrous market share eating monster that is android... well they could soon have the vast numbers.
Then there's Apple. I'm sure Nokia is aware of their existence. WP7 has MS backing of course, and WebOS has HP.
Nokia! Sink or swim?
I also humbly request a genuine discussion... /no hardcore platform bashing

they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa

I have never bought or used a Nokia.
It's mainly for politically reasons, Nokia have profilated it self as a Pro EU company from a pro EU country. I simply don't like the EU and hence Nokia.
What will happen to Nokia perhaps going the same way as Siemens.
Wasn't that german company bought by the Benq?
What happened to the Benq-siemens, I just know that I never would buy anything from nor Siemens or Benq nor from Benq-Siemens.
Maybe the last thing Nokia will do is bringing a upcoming (and greedy) Asian company down the drain with them.
Anything thats bad for EU-economics means a hope for freedom from the "EU ist freiheit macht centralizing, sieg hail EU"

basically ur saying their a globalists and thats why u dont buy , thats fine
but u would be very hardly pressed to find a company that isnt affiliated with globalism in any way
Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks
i dont even have to start about apple

Move to android , symbian is dead
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they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa
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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...

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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...
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We can't help it, it's just sooooo tasty
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I'm praying for a Nokia/Android combo. It's gonna give HTC/Android a run for its money.

Mobile world is changing, the big companies will have to adapt to the "new way"
I can see it out of the 1st place easily

Nokia and android
Nokia has exceptional hardware.. even n series can run android. if they can come into android..no body can beat them. its an unbeatable combo..

Some special must happen...and then may be they will be well

Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.

DirkGently1 said:
Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.
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Rumour puts it at WinPhone 7, but I'm still hoping that Nokia understands that Android is the way to go

I'm glad to see this thread, I actually started a similar one on another forum a while back.
http://androidforums.com/lounge/184006-where-hell-nokia-smartphone-craze.html
I just don't understand why America hasn't seen any smartphone action from Nokia. When I got my myTouch 3G I remember thinking, "Hey! Where the hell did Nokia go, anwyay?"

I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too

avgjoegeek said:
I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too
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If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.

Phateless said:
If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.
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So... you like... wanna meet up or something so I can charge you up?
LOL!
And yeah, I really wish that Nokia would take the HTC route and pimp themselves out for the OSes.

Android is about to flourish exponentially due to Nokia killing off symbian and preparing for massive layoffs.
I expect a huge percentage to move to Google and the Android team.

News flash: Nokia went over to Windows. Guess now they are jumping into an ocean filled with sharks

i never liked nokia nor their smartphones.
nokia is the leading phone company in the middle east, if i write nokia on my phone i can sell it for $300
they never made a "perfect phone" they always tend to remove something and add something else instead.
and now that they chose windows phone the whole arabian commutnity will have a wp7 device and i wont be special anymore
and the last thing i would like to see is nokia on xda, f*** man!

Petition: Give Android 11 for Note9!

Samsung said that all flagships after and including the S10 will get 3 years of Android OS updates. It's a bit unfair for us Note9 and S9 users so I created a petition to Samsung asking them to reconsider adding the S9, S9+ and Note9 to the 3 year major updates support program as well. Here's the link: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-give-android-11-oneui-3-0-to-galaxy-note9-s9-phones
The more people that sign it the better chance we have of Samsung acknowledging it!

koragg97 said:
Samsung said that all flagships after and including the S10 will get 3 years of Android OS updates. It's a bit unfair for us Note9 and S9 users so I created a petition to Samsung asking them to reconsider adding the S9, S9+ and Note9 to the 3 year major updates support program as well. Here's the link: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-give-android-11-oneui-3-0-to-galaxy-note9-s9-phones
The more people that sign it the better chance we have of Samsung acknowledging it!
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The petition won't do anything. I truly hate being that person but there's no way in this world or the next that a petition on xda will make Samsung ad an older device to their new statement. It's not smart for their business, gives them no real benefits or anything. You gotta realize they aren't thinking of the handful of us who still hold onto the 9 series of phones whether it be S or Note... Their business is to sell new electronics not to keep old ones on life support that they keep recharging every so often.

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The petition won't do anything. I truly hate being that person but there's no way in this world or the next that a petition on xda will make Samsung ad an older device to their new statement. It's not smart for their business, gives them no real benefits or anything. You gotta realize they aren't thinking of the handful of us who still hold onto the 9 series of phones whether it be S or Note... Their business is to sell new electronics not to keep old ones on life support that they keep recharging every so often.
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Don't worry, I know we 99.9% won't get it. Just decided to explore how this works and made it as another xda user requested it. I'm ok with 2.5 as I just want wireless DeX - other stuff is a bonus that's in 2.5.

Please stop. Please.

I feel like a petition might work for an iPhone, because, well, you either have an iPhone or a thousand variants of an Android phone. Having one of two out of those thousand variants doesn't amass to a whole lot of people, certainly not enough for Samsung to actually do something about it. Good luck, though. I did sign it. But again, it's more than likely a lost cause. The three year deal didn't start until AFTER the Note9.

Feels like we need to have this same conversation once every smartphone generation. Recap:
Breathing life into old electronics is not good business. Samsung is a business, they're in it for the money. Introducing new features for old phones will not sell new hardware; if anything, it will cause Samsung to sell less new hardware. Less sales means less revenue. That's why it's bad for business.
Developing software for additional platforms consumes more resources; resources which could be used for advancing development of newer hardware, and better software for said newer hardware. Again, why waste resources into something that will cause you to sell fewer next-gen phones?
Let me reiterate. Samsung is a business. They will not make poor business decisions to benefit users who hang on to old hardware instead of buying new hardware. End of story.

@oddbehreif As I said before I don't have much hope but seeing how the S10s got 3 years support and the Note10 Lite is THE SAME PHONE as the Note9 and will get Android 11 I decided to make this. I'll be perfectly happy with OneUI 2.5 as I'll get wireless DeX then but it's fun to see how change.org works and to spam the link on every Samsung or smartphone tech video and watch the numbers rise.

It will not working.

one UI 2.5 will be updated! Android 11 is not possible!

pichai said:
one UI 2.5 will be updated! Android 11 is not possible!
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Android 11 is not possible!

manne48 said:
Android 11 is not possible!
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Android 11 may be unlikely to be provided to Note 9 by Samsung, I am not sure your statement that it's not possible (technically ?) is correct.
I may have misunderstood the context of your post.
My understanding is Samsung have indicated it will be providing Android 11 to all Note 10 / S10 and later, I believe one of these included phones has essentially the same hardware so obviously possible.
Finally I believe Note 9 is project Treble compatible / compliant so this would indicate it's technically possible and not as difficult as pre -Treble phones to be provided future Android updates

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Finally I believe Note 9 is project Treble compatible / compliant so this would indicate it's technically possible and not as difficult as pre -Treble phones to be provided future Android updates
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This is why they should give it to us as well.

paul_59 said:
Android 11 may be unlikely to be provided to Note 9 by Samsung, I am not sure your statement that it's not possible (technically ?) is correct.
I wish that our N9 became the Android11 version;imagine,with a new battery and an aktual system we can use this rely good,amazing phone for more then 2-3 years.I`m using this phone now for 1.5 years;at first with Android 8 than 9 and now 10.It should be possible to get 11!!
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Dude, we already have Treble support on this. When the new GSI drops, just install that.
I've seen many of these petitions and none worked.

We will just hope that some dev will port the SM-N770F update to the SM-N960F/G96xF family
Android 11 update now rolling out to Galaxy Note 10 Lite
The One UI 3.0 update based on Android 11 is now rolling out to select Galaxy Note 10 Lite units. ...
www.sammobile.com

I dont wanna spark any hope in sight, but, either this is typical Samsung negligence from their side, or they mistakenly took this upon.
They have an app called GPU Watch, which is pretty much a FPS Real Time counter for people who game.
If you head in their app's website, there's a table showing support for the app's version and SDK. Weirdly, Note9/S9 are on the Android R list as well.
Here's a screenshot:
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Question Xperia 10 IV, Trust on First Use

Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.

MEGAS XLR said:
Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.
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Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom

DrDrag0n said:
Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom
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Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.

MEGAS XLR said:
Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.
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I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default

DrDrag0n said:
I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default
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I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.

MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Im going to tweet them as well and hope someone sees it. It should be enabled by default so there is potential that for security reasons in A11 and A12 they hard coded TOFU being disabled and forgot to add it back in

MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.

sieghartRM said:
Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.
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I can’t believe I missed the thread for that Lineage OS port. I sure feel like a dope.
I’ll give it a shot when I have some time to mess around, but that’ll probably fix it. I’m running Lineage OS on an old Pixel 3a, and TOFU works perfectly. So this is promising

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This is the reply from Sony. Some corporate copy-and-paste nonsense that isn’t even related to what I asked.

I looked through the unofficial LineageOS thread, and there seems to be some audio and camera bugs. Plus the ROM is distributed in a .bin format; which Windows really doesn’t want to work with and I don’t feel like digging out an old PC with Linux on it at the moment.
I think I actually did see that unofficial build of LineageOS before; but didn’t want to deal with the hassle that comes with an unofficial build for a fairly niche device.
I might just keep my eye on it for now but leave my Xperia as stock. Who knows, maybe we’ll get TOFU in a year when Sony puts out an update to Android 14.
It’s not a huge deal for me; I picked this thing up cheap on a whim. Both to gauge modern Sony phones (I haven’t used an Xperia since I got the very first model in the lineup, the Xperia X1, back in 2008) to see if I’d want to use one full time, and to eventually put Sailfish OS on it if Jolla decides to support it. My primary iPhone connects to improperly secured WPA2 networks, so it’s not the end of the world for me.
I do hope Sony eventually gets it together and fixes this problem. My iPhone is starting to show its age and I really like the design and feature set of the Xperia 1 series; but I can’t reasonably spend that kind of money on a phone that won’t even connect to the WiFi at work.