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I wondered if anyone else has noticed the sheer amount of soft dependencies that the S-apps have on each other, especially S-Voice. For example S-voice can't make a memo without S-notes and can't retrieve news without Flipboard.
Many other examples exist. S-Notes has options in the settings to sync with Samsung cloud, even if the Samsung cloud syncing apps/services are removed, even the cloud services seem to have some soft dependencies with Dropbox.
All the S-apps will of course function for the most part on their own, but might have such issues or orphan settings, something I just don't like.
A lot of TW ROMS are debloating by removing some of these apps, but I don't know if everyone realizes what I just mentioned.
Personally I would prefer just the Samsung camera, but I have heard (though not tried without) that even it is dependent on S-Voice. If this is so and if it is possible I would hope at some point to see a modded version of the Camera that makes it fully independent.
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Personally I would prefer just the Samsung camera, but I have heard (though not tried without) that even it is dependent on S-Voice. If this is so and if it is possible I would hope at some point to see a modded version of the Camera that makes it fully independent.
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No, that is not so. I have nearly every Samsung component disabled, including S Voice, and I use the Samsung camera with no problem... maybe there's some feature in there that doesn't work that I've just never hit, but generally, the camera works fine on its own.
Voice Control of Camera, Incoming Calls, Camera and Music are all Dependant on SVoice
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No, that is not so. I have nearly every Samsung component disabled, including S Voice, and I use the Samsung camera with no problem... maybe there's some feature in there that doesn't work that I've just never hit, but generally, the camera works fine on its own.
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I tried a few hours ago, the camera freezes and crashes if you try to turn on voice commands in the camera settings. As long as this is not hit it works, but I hate that they would make the option to say "Shoot" to take a picture dependent on another app.
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I tried a few hours ago, the camera freezes and crashes if you try to turn on voice commands in the camera settings. As long as this is not hit it works, but I hate that they would make the option to say "Shoot" to take a picture dependent on another app.
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If they didn't do that than every app you mention would be twice the size because they would have to include the code for those options in each of the individual app.
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If they didn't do that than every app you mention would be twice the size because they would have to include the code for those options in each of the individual app.
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Exactly, the S4 wasnt made for removing system apps or modifying the system. It was meant to be used the way it is out of the box which is why voice commands for music, camera, alarm and answering calls is dependant on S-Voice... easier to integrate dependancy unto another app versus integrating a sepaeare feature into every one of those lol
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Ok, well, we have an interesting discrepancy here them... I just confirmed I have S Voice disabled... I then went into Camera, turned voice control on (it was off to start) and was able to take a picture by saying "Cheese"... no crash or anything, it worked as expected.
I also confirmed I can also still receive incoming calls... I don't use the music app and have it disabled so I didn't check that... so something doesn't jive with what you guys are apparently seeing. Maybe there's something else the camera specifically is dependent on and not S Voice *directly*?
For reference, here's what I currently have disabled... I think 2 or 3 of them I did through Titanium, the rest are just standard "system" disabled... I also have a few other things Greenified, but this is just what's outright disabled...
Active Apps Manager
Alarm
BlurbCheckout
Briefing
Bubbles
Clock (digital) - both of them
com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks
Dropbox
DropboxOOBE
Dual Clock (digital)
EpsonPrintService
Favorite Contacts
Gmail
Google Play Books
Google Play Magazines
Google Play Movies & TV
Google Play Music
Google+
HP Print Service
Lumen Toolbar
Messaging
Mobile print
MobilePrintSvc_CUPS
MobilePrintSvc_CUPS_Backend
My Files
Phase beam
Photo Screensavers
Picasa Uploader
POLARIS Office 5
S Voice
Samsung Apps Widget
Samsung Backup
Samsung Backup Provider
Samsung Books
Samsung Calendar SyncAdapter
Samsung Cloud Data Relay
Samsung Cloud Quota
Samsung Contact SyncAdapter
Samsung Games
Samsung Music
Samsung Print Service
Samsung SBrowser Bookmark SyncAdapter
Samsung SBrowser Tab SyncAdapter
Samsung SNote SyncAdapter
Samsung Syndadapters
SNS
Sprint Worldwide
Story Album
Story Album Widget
Swype
TouchWiz home
Unified Daemon(EUR)
Weather Widget
Yahoo! Finance
Yahoo! News
fzammetti said:
Ok, well, we have an interesting discrepancy here them... I just confirmed I have S Voice disabled... I then went into Camera, turned voice control on (it was off to start) and was able to take a picture by saying "Cheese"... no crash or anything, it worked as expected.
I also confirmed I can also still receive incoming calls... I don't use the music app and have it disabled so I didn't check that... so something doesn't jive with what you guys are apparently seeing. Maybe there's something else the camera specifically is dependent on and not S Voice *directly*?
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I moved the S-Voice apk out of the system folder when I tried it, I wouldn't think that it would make a difference versus freezing it though, but maybe that is possible? I didn't do a reboot when I tried, but I would think that if it had no relation to it, it shouldn't matter?
If I disable Svoice and try and take a pic with voice it force closes.
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With Tablet Talk working for full blown sms on the gear, the need to be able to reply to texts on the gear becomes more important. For those of us that can't use s-voice, google voice recognition works amazingly well but requires battery hogging bluetooth tethering.
Has anyone been able to get offline google voice recognition working?
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With Tablet Talk working for full blown sms on the gear, the need to be able to reply to texts on the gear becomes more important. For those of us that can't use s-voice, google voice recognition works amazingly well but requires battery hogging bluetooth tethering.
Has anyone been able to get offline google voice recognition working?
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Yeah, there is a thread here on that. Pretty sure it involves copying downloaded offline phone off phone to watch
Holy Shaving Cream!! This works...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2549644
I now have a complete sms solution on the gear! I can easily receive texts and reply via voice commands without bluetooth tethering!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2559197
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2559197
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I'm also working on a round inflatable tube that a carriage can be placed upon to better move people about!
I really did search before posting...lol..
OK, I'll go one better....When added to the Google Now Launcher, we can now have totally hands free phone use. Simply getsure to look at your watch and say "OK Google....Call MOM" ...and your watch will call your mother! :laugh:
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OK, I'll go one better....When added to the Google Now Launcher, we can now have totally hands free phone use. Simply getsure to look at your watch and say "OK Google....Call MOM" ...and your watch will call your mother! :laugh:
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Curious what's your battery life like with that setup
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Curious what's your battery life like with that setup
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Just set it up an hour ago... I have a full day at work tomorrow so I'll test it then and post results...
Everyday since I've had the watch I have added some new functionality. I've been amazed at how little battery life has been impacted since I started toggling bluetooth tethering which seems to be the largest drainer of battery on my setup.
I'm on the latest Null ROM. So far I have my gear connected via bluetooth to the original galxy note. I have the wake gesture set to on so that the Gear actually functions as watch. I have bluetooth tethering toggled on/off via a widget. I have Tablet Talk setup so that I can send and receive texts. I have offline voice recognition setup so that I can use voice typing even when not connected to the internet ( so that I can actually reply to texts without having to use the tiny keyboard ).
With this setup, I still have about 50% battery life after an 18 hour day. I've now added the Google Now Launcher in order to use the "OK GOOGLE" voice commands..We'll see tomorrow how much of an effect this has on battery. :laugh:
@crultzulee I'm glad to see you got the gear up and running on the og note!
How did you guys get Voice Search installed into your Gear in the first place?
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How did you guys get Voice Search installed into your Gear in the first place?
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First, make a distinction between S-voice and Google Now/Search Voice recognition. S-voice is a Samsung proprietary solution that requires a touchwiz framework. I believe that this requires S-voice (and thus touchwiz) to be enabled on both devices (phone and Gear).
What I have running is the Google Now/Search voice regonition. The option for Google Now is provided in the Aroma installer for Null Rom. That gets you basic functionality.
I have chosen to sideload the most recent apk for Google Search and the Google Now Launcher for greater functionality. You should also download the offline language pack as per the link provided above. This allows you to use voice search and voice dictation in any app that uses the google keyboard (like Tablet Talk).
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@crultzulee I'm glad to see you got the gear up and running on the og note!
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With the information provided here, I have turned this impulse buy "toy" into something that is becoming more and more integrated into my daily life.
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First, make a distinction between S-voice and Google Now/Search Voice recognition. S-voice is a Samsung proprietary solution that requires a touchwiz framework. I believe that this requires S-voice (and thus touchwiz) to be enabled on both devices (phone and Gear).
What I have running is the Google Now/Search voice regonition. The option for Google Now is provided in the Aroma installer for Null Rom. That gets you basic functionality.
I have chosen to sideload the most recent apk for Google Search and the Google Now Launcher for greater functionality. You should also download the offline language pack as per the link provided above. This allows you to use voice search and voice dictation in any app that uses the google keyboard (like Tablet Talk).
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Tried this before with the en-US bit and permissions and it didn't work. When pressing Google to enter Google Now and hitting voice Icon, it says something about no network available. Do I need this newer Google Search app you said you sideloaded? If so where/how to obtain it? I'm not worried about the Launcher at this moment, just want the Google Now Voice to work without being tethered to the internet. :angel:
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Tried this before with the en-US bit and permissions and it didn't work. When pressing Google to enter Google Now and hitting voice Icon, it says something about no network available. Do I need this newer Google Search app you said you sideloaded? If so where/how to obtain it? I'm not worried about the Launcher at this moment, just want the Google Now Voice to work without being tethered to the internet. :angel:
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Google now and Google Dictation are 2 different things.
You can use google dictation if you get the language offline.
Eg you can use the voice key on the keyboard offline to work for apps to handle dictation.
The fancier stuff needs Google Now to be connected to the internet. If you want to use "Ok Google, call mom" that requires Google Now to connect to the net for the contextual recognition.
I have the older setup so I have to press a button for google Now to work but it works to take notes, create reminders and phone calling.
You can use Wondershare to side load the Google Now launcher and the new Voice search and anything else you want.
lazer9 said:
Tried this before with the en-US bit and permissions and it didn't work. When pressing Google to enter Google Now and hitting voice Icon, it says something about no network available. Do I need this newer Google Search app you said you sideloaded? If so where/how to obtain it? I'm not worried about the Launcher at this moment, just want the Google Now Voice to work without being tethered to the internet. :angel:
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Not sure about the en-US folder that is linked to in Brendo link, but if you follow the thread in my link, I was able to get that version working after setting the permissions wit es-file explorer..
tebore said:
Google now and Google Dictation are 2 different things.
You can use google dictation if you get the language offline.
Eg you can use the voice key on the keyboard offline to work for apps to handle dictation.
The fancier stuff needs Google Now to be connected to the internet. If you want to use "Ok Google, call mom" that requires Google Now to connect to the net for the contextual recognition.
I have the older setup so I have to press a button for google Now to work but it works to take notes, create reminders and phone calling.
You can use Wondershare to side load the Google Now launcher and the new Voice search and anything else you want.
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Most of the Google Now functions require internet connection. One notable exception is the one you mentioned. With the offline voice recognition enabled, you can actually say " OK Google...call mom" and the gear will call your mother through your phone WITHOUT bluetooth tehering to the internet enabled...We can't yet get google now to send texts because we are relyin on a third party app (tablet talk) to do this.
Ok, I'm beginning to half understand this. Pardon me because I have a bad fault of overthinking things.
The bit about using the voice button on the keyboard has me stumped. I don't have this as I use Flesky as I hear many others use on the gear or am I missing a setting within it somewhere?
And I must have misunderstood one of @crutzulee 's posts somewhere, but I swore he said he can simply use dictation - as in voice talk to Google Now Search OFFLINE (non-tethered) within it's app and say "Call Mom", ect...
OK, just as there needs to be a distinction between S-voice and Google Voice recognition there needs to be a distinction between bluetooth connection and bluetooth internet tethering. The former just means that the Gear is connected to the phone and can have access to its basic telephone functions. The latter refers to sharing your phones full blown internet connection so that apps on the gear can use the internet as they would on any android device.
Google search is an app/widget that allows one to search the internet and ALSO has some local functionality built in. It's widget has a microphone option that allows the Gear to "listen" to your query. It can then send the captured voice to googles servers over the internet for recognition and processing of your request. If you have the language pack downloaded locally, then it can do the recognition part on the device without uploading to google's servers. If your request is something that the device can do locally , it will. If it can't do that function locally, you will get a message saying that it cannot reach google's servers or something to that effect.
In the instance where you say "OK Google...Call mom" , google search will process your input locally (provided you have the offline language pack installed) . As this function does not require an internet connection and can be processed locally (provided you have the gear connected via bluetooth), the gear will open it's phone app and place your call (provided that you have a contact called "mom" with an associated phone number).
I should clarify, that if you only install the google search app/widget with the offline language pack, you will have to manually press on the microphone on the widget to get it to listen to you.
The advantage of having the Google Now Launcher, is that the mic is always listening for the words "OK Google" when you are on any of the launcher's home page. Thus you can place a phone call with a simple flick of your wrist, and utterance of the "OK Google...call Mom" command. All this WITHOUT be tethered to the internet.
I am running my Gear this way today to test for battery drain. I have sent and received a few phone calls and have noticed only a slight increase in battery drain over my use yesterday which was setup in a similiar way with the exception of the Google Now Launcher installed and always listening..
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With Tablet Talk working for full blown sms on the gear, the need to be able to reply to texts on the gear becomes more important. For those of us that can't use s-voice, google voice recognition works amazingly well but requires battery hogging bluetooth tethering.
Has anyone been able to get offline google voice recognition working?
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I just recieved my gear and installed the newest null rom and would love to set it up like you have sounds pretty cool!
Hi everyone,
Now that the Lg Urbane 2nd can have standalone applications using data connection with AW 2.0 Dev preview 3, I think it is time to have a thread to list the apps that can either be sideloaded and work standalone in the watch, or wear apps that actually have standalone capabilities.
I'll start with a apk I found to stream some music right from the watch: PCRadio2016 ( https://apkpure.com/radio-online-pcradio-2016/ru.zfour.pcradio )
I sideloaded the full app with adb, and of course the interface is quirky, but you now have access to 10.000 radio station divided by genre right from your watch..
I haven't tried flashing the preview yet, but since you have I was wondering if OK Google commands now work as standalone. I'd go ahead and flash the developer preview if I was certain that the restore image was identical to the factory ROM on my Verizon watch. Thanks
ED2O9 said:
I haven't tried flashing the preview yet, but since you have I was wondering if OK Google commands now work as standalone. I'd go ahead and flash the developer preview if I was certain that the restore image was identical to the factory ROM on my Verizon watch. Thanks
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Yes, Google voice works as standalone. All Google stuff is actually working very well (notifications for example), and i've been using the Preview 3 as a daily driver for more than a week now. Battery life is good, and the Whole experience is miles ahead in term of fluidity and ease of use. Only bad thing is that, because of the new playstore, you need to sideload all your apps manually until they arrive in the playstore.
Well, I took the plunge and so far I'm pretty impressed. I've side-loaded the GhostRacer wear app, and it appears to be running fine. Any chance you might have seen a way to get Play Music running?
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Well, I took the plunge and so far I'm pretty impressed. I've side-loaded the GhostRacer wear app, and it appears to be running fine. Any chance you might have seen a way to get Play Music running?
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The only music app I managed to have working is the one I posted. No chance with anything else. The problem with Google play music seems to be that there is already a music play service installed that blocks the installation of any Gplay apk.
Thanks for the info. I recently discovered that the factory image linked on the developer preview site isn't really stock (at least for the Verizon version). After flashing it, I can set up calling on the watch. It keeps telling me to run a system update. Any suggestions?
Hey there,
Is there a location sharing app (Glympse or smth) that works on standalone mode?
Thanks a lot
Hi again,
Is there Google maps available on AW 2.0?
Thanks
gidi said:
Hi again,
Is there Google maps available on AW 2.0?
Thanks
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Yes, you need to sideload the wear version of gmaps and everything works
Where can I download it from?
Hi there,
I`m using my watch since some weeks with preview 3 daily and it's pretty much better as v1.5 before.
These are the apps were I sideloaded the micro APK:
- Citymapper
- Fit (seems to work now from the Play Store as well)
- Keep
- MacroDroid
- Messenger
- Calculator
- SafeInCloud
- Watchmaker Premium
These apps I have installed directly from the embedded Play Store:
- Browser
- PaperCraft
Cheers
Axel
Hi, I need these standalone apps:
- task manager to view cpu/ram and for kills apps/services
- file manager to upload media files or apk file and view them
More or less the same daily use of the watch but very different battery drain, I suppose bad management services/apps
Sorry for my english
GiuloMaster said:
Hi, I need these standalone apps:
- task manager to view cpu/ram and for kills apps/services
- file manager to upload media files or apk file and view them
More or less the same daily use of the watch but very different battery drain, I suppose bad management services/apps
Sorry for my english
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There is no such real working apps for AW 2.0.
GiuloMaster said:
Hi, I need these standalone apps:
- task manager to view cpu/ram and for kills apps/services
- file manager to upload media files or apk file and view them
More or less the same daily use of the watch but very different battery drain, I suppose bad management services/apps
Sorry for my english
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Code:
adb install OSmonitor.apk
adb shell wm density 200
works for me on AW1.5
ESfileExplorer can also be sideloaded.
Hi,
very cool sideloading app: Flightradar24
Almost everything works like on the phone. Have a look on the screen shots.
Axel
If someone can try to sideload https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bsoule.tagtime&hl=en and let me know if it'd works, it'd be awesome. I'm insta-buying an Urbane if it does! =)
I use (all sideloaded full apps):
Line Messenger
Facebook Lite
Facebook Messenger Lite
Greenify
For everything else bought the package from appfour, includes:
launcher (overlay)
email (sending+receiving standalone)
weaher app (not using actually)
nice keyboard
youtube player (standalone)
and a few other things (just look for the comapny)
to use the apps standalone, you have to choose this in the app at the beginning, if not you will always rely on phone connection (working as slave app, like normal aw wares)
what i've tried:
e-robot (works but on the small screen its a pain, the area where you choose events and actions is extremely thin)
kernel audiutor (some beta here on the forum)
clean my android (works, but i saw no imrpvements by using it)
I know i wish there were more fully functional apps for the watch..
I use NINE email on my phone.. and it has an app for the watch.. but it only allows me to do a voice memo? confused..
I would LOVE to find a better functioning SMS app..
I tried PULSE - worked great.. but missed a few group messages so not sure its reliable.
EVOLVE - looks like it has potential.. but only would let me respond to the last message in the conversation list.. even though it would show all of them.
Texpert - does show MMS Messages on watch.
Wear Messenger - confusing interface and doesn't show MMS Messages.
Messages for Android - doesn't show MMS messages
Google Messenger - MMS Image compression is horrible so didn't want to use as main SMS app on phone.
so if anyone else knows of an app that allows all messages to be viewed on the watch, let me know !
nice post, . . .
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I was hesitant to buy P40 Pro (I had P30 pro) because of a lack of GMS. But I am spontaneous and had a birthday... and both one
My first observations:
+Great camera - especially zoom one!
+video is better
+Has double tap to wake up, boy how I missed this I disabled it - too many self unlocks
+Fast!
+UFS 3 is a lot faster internal storage than 2 on P30 - downloading pictures is 2x faster over WiFi
-the screen is a bit darker than P30's?
-this huge cutout on a screen for useless (for me!) 3D camera
-has pre-applied screen protector I removed it and now is fine
-The wide camera is 18mm instead of 16mm in P30 Pro
- battery last shorter time
more + and - will come as I use it from 5 h
Now about missing services - phone clone app is by far the best cloning solution I ever used - in 5 minutes I had an almost exact copy of my P30!!! Minus Google Chrome and something else, I can't remember I miss Chrome but for now, with some minor hiccups, FireFox is filling the gap! Chrome is the best I installed it
All apps I use are up and running for the moment - future updates I need to figure it out how to backup calendar? - The internal backup app is doing the job remain to be seen restore if needed
In General, I am happy with it, only time can prove me wrong
Thanks for sharing your experiences! Still doubting to buy this phone. Chromecast and lack of Strava are the only things really holding me back at the moment.
Chrome I never use anyway (Firefox preview is nice!), I suppose Brave Browder doesn't work either? Or does it?
MajestyZ said:
Thanks for sharing your experiences! Still doubting to buy this phone. Chromecast and lack of Strava are the only things really holding me back at the moment.
Chrome I never use anyway (Firefox preview is nice!), I suppose Brave Browder doesn't work either? Or does it?
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Today using apkmirror I instaled chrome and google gallery - they work thou cant make chrome sign in with my account
Aha alright. Have you tried APKPure already? This app keeps your apps up to date as well. Or AuroraStore, it's kind of similar I believe. Same goes for the Amazon AppStore, or AppGallery of course. I just hope developers will make apps for AppGallery as well, so we can enjoy Netflix in HD instead of SD, hehe.
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Aha alright. Have you tried APKPure already? This app keeps your apps up to date as well. Or AuroraStore, it's kind of similar I believe. Same goes for the Amazon AppStore, or AppGallery of course. I just hope developers will make apps for AppGallery as well, so we can enjoy Netflix in HD instead of SD, hehe.
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I tried APKPure installing google Duo but Duo can't connect for some reason (GMS? )
pesho00 said:
I was hesitant to buy P40 Pro (I had P30 pro) because of a lack of GMS. But I am spontaneous and had a birthday... and both one
My first observations:
+Great camera - especially zoom one!
+Has double tap to wake up, boy how I missed this
+Fast!
-the screen is a bit darker than P30's?
-this huge cutout on a screen for useless (for me!) 3D camera
-has preaplied screen protector
-Wide camera is 18mm instead of 16mm in P30 Pro
more + and - will come as I use it from 5 h
Now about missing services - phone clone app is by far the best cloning solution I ever used - in 5 minutes I had almost exact copy of my P30!!! Minus Google Chrome and something else, I can't remember I miss Chrome but for now, with some minor hiccups FireFox is filling the gap!
All apps I use are up and running for the moment - future updates I need to figure it out how to backup calendar?
In General I am happy with it, only time can prove me wrong
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check this guide https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...s-live-gms-t4081351/post82258015#post82258015
you may be suprised how much more alternatives you can get and sometimes even much better
MajestyZ said:
Aha alright. Have you tried APKPure already? This app keeps your apps up to date as well. Or AuroraStore, it's kind of similar I believe. Same goes for the Amazon AppStore, or AppGallery of course. I just hope developers will make apps for AppGallery as well, so we can enjoy Netflix in HD instead of SD, hehe.
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As I know from my friend, Netflix can stream HD on P40 Pro. Check again please
Huaweifans said:
As I know from my friend, Netflix can stream HD on P40 Pro. Check again please
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Where did he get the APK for Netflix? I can't find one on APK pure that works.
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Where did he get the APK for Netflix? I can't find one on APK pure that works.
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Latest Apk on Apkmirror
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Latest Apk on Apkmirror
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Says not compatible with my device. I assume you need play services installed?
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Says not compatible with my device. I assume you need play services installed?
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Show me the DRM Info on your P40 Pro please
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Show me the DRM Info on your P40 Pro please
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Of about 120 apps there's only 1 that i really need which I can't get to run (parklio, they rely on google for the login it seems).
I can easily replace the weather apps that won't work without google, a couple of apps like Banking keep complaining about missing google play services but still work.
Somehow it feels really good to be able to get rid of google in one way or another.
After some time of usage - updating apps seems to be an issue - I played Clash of clans for some years (nursing children accounts too ) and when moved to P40 everything seems to be ok BUT new version seems to be a problem - found the game in Amazon store - when tried to install it sais uninstall first - I'll lose all accounts after new version arrived tried again this time Amazon Instaled the game as e second version without accounts ....
I have all my apps and games without GMS. Just Sparkasse Bank in Germany haven't but in the future I believe that it will be solved.
And I'm happy without GMS. And my Handy is also happy without Googles devil in my phone.
Is there a chance to run the store and other applications without pop-up notifications? I have tried several articles but none of them remove notifications about the lack of certificates. After 30 minutes of attempts, google frimework id returns, I delete the old gsm application and install v2 but notifications like that are still there. Anyone have any idea or know the solution?
The P40 Pro has been a blessing in disguise. Challenging at first, it has been a great exercise to eliminate my reliance on Google services. The only Google app that I have installed (other than Android lol) is YouTube Vanced. I just wanted the player instead of the website, and I'm not even logging into it.
I'm also using Waze which apparently is owned by Google, but it does not rely on GMS at all. I do miss Google Maps a little, especially my custom maps and pins everywhere. Time will tell if I really need to come up with a workaround, but I'd rather not pollute my phone
Using mainly APKPure and APKMirror, I got all my apps back. Some apps throw Play Services error when trying to access some features, but overall they've retained all the functionality that I care about. I was never much of a "digitally connected/synced" person to begin with. I don't like logging into apps left and right or having them store my activity online, so maybe this switch is easier for me than others. I also never really used GMail for anything but Android related stuff, and I stopped using Microsoft/Outlook accounts in favor of Protonmail, once again trying to reduce my reliance on the tech giants.
Can we live without Google if they do not want us?
We can use the best phone without Google
My advise:
install Microsoft New Edge browser to notebook and sign in with your microsoft account. Do the same on P40 Pro. For Install, I use AppGallery, when app is not there I use APKPure. Some apps did not work if I used some other Store.
Install:
OneDrive - not only one of the best cloud drive, with this app you can upload photos to notebook and then forward to google photos from notebook.
Outlook - it can superb handle gmail AND google calendar. I have shared google calendars with my wife and kids. Outlook can do this. I do not know any other app that can do that.
Here we go - Excellent navigation. I have allways used Google Maps. It is the best. Period. But, as I daily drive 300+km, Maps often do not find the address. I then used app Here, wich did the job. We still can use Google Maps App, you only can not sign in to the app. In that case i have browser bookmark at home screen. So, with maps we are good covered. (there are more apps that are great, but this is enough)
Problem is with our Bank Apps.
I have accounts at 2 Banks, I am forced to have two, not big deal. My point here: One Bank work great over my browser. Confirmation number I get to SMS. It is not ideal, but it works.
Another bank use app that produce onetime code. There is not workaround with the browser.
I have solved that another way: my another Huawei (P smart Z). This phone can use GMS. I installed AirDroid to PsmartZ and all APPS that do not work on P40 Pro. Then, I installed AirMirror to P40 Pro. When needed, I can connect to P smart Z from anywhere, use that app and then close the connection.
Apps that do not work:
-Google apps where you have to sign in
-Microsoft Authenticator, Google Authenticator
-SmartRemote Bosch (unbelivable)
-Lidl, Lidl Plus (unbelivable)
-ChargeMap, ABRP
-DEŽ - simple but great rain radar picture here in Slovenia
What we need fast is ability to pay wih phone. Huawei must do more here.
But my bank have send me email, they are working on their banking app to work with new Huawei Phones, YESSSS!!
I will write more, I have run out of tint
I still do not understand, why google do not sell GMS online?
Google can not work with Huawei, but can sell software to me, or not?
Outook is really great app. It can sync google contacts!!!!!!
Good to know, If anybody need this.... I DO!!!!!
I posted some of this elsewhere but this feels like a good thread to put useful non GPS info into. I got my P40 Pro yesterday and am hoping to avoid GPS as it seems to be quite a complicated process that does not always stick and needs repeating regularly. Also the opportunity to de-google is actually quite tempting. Here is what I have found so far:
- My Lastpass, PayPal and banking apps work totally fine as before. What is interesting though is I saw some info that said that these work ok if you transfer using Phone Clone but may stop working if you then update them using other sources. I have another droid so will likely manage updates for these by Phone Clone
- Outlook seems to work ok for notifications but I am not sure they come through as regular as they should. I think it would be good to start a list of apps that do not rely on GPS to push notifications. Sadly Newton mail does
- Google photos is the hardest to replace seamlessly, Amazon photos should be a good alternative (if you have prime) but just seems to crash constantly. I have OneDrive but am still considering if I want to carry on using Google photos as my main photo repo, such a shame that DropBox stopped carousel as that was great!
- Chrome actually seems to work, you just cannot login.
If there are any fellow non-GPS people out there shared experiences appreciated!
As per the title, I tried to live with this phone, (3 months) but alas without Google it's dead in the water. It's hardware is fantastic.
But the lack of GMS kills it.
I will be trading it in shortly.
What do you need to do with it and it doesn't work?
Except for some banking applications, for payments via NFC (for this you can use Curve or iCard), and Android Auto, what do you want to use and can't?
WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, Google photos, Signal, Telegram, Maps, Waze, YahooMail (own application, E-mail, work fine too, with Gmail or Yahoo mail account), YouTube Vanced, all work fine ...
I get what you mean but it's just not that great a mobile without GMS.
At least not for me.
The Huawei store is just not that good an alternative. If it were as good as the hardware I would agree but sadly I cannot.
Such a shame, another great mobile crippled by politics.
I still don't understand what you want to use on it and you can't ...
As alternative store you can use APKMirror, APKPure, Aptoide and many other app stores.
If you constantly use payments by phone (NFC) or Android Auto, yes, then I understand the dissatisfaction of not being able to use them.
Otherwise ...
LE: For the NFC payments, I installed Curve, probably tomorrow I will make the first payment, for the test. There are already mates who said that it works without problems (Curve or iCard).
Shymmy said:
I still don't understand what you want to use on it and you can't ...
As alternative store you can use APKMirror, APKPure, Aptoide and many other app stores.
If you constantly use payments by phone (NFC) or Android Auto, yes, then I understand the dissatisfaction of not being able to use them.
Otherwise ...
LE: For the NFC payments, I installed Curve, probably tomorrow I will make the first payment, for the test. There are already mates who said that it works without problems (Curve or iCard).
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Totally agree, life without Google is sweet, and if... If really can't find what you looking for there's Aurora Store and Gspace, love my mate 40 Pro!
Right, I forgot to mention Aurora, this is the main store that I use.
Instead of Gspace I use Ourplay, it's more functional.
I keep Google play Services disabled most of the time. I use it for gmail and Gmaps.
Keeping it disabled saves me 2%@hour SOT!
Lol, Playstore been offline for over a month and it's being hard to fix so I ignore it.
Really Gmaps is the only thing I really need of all the Gookill junk to run, Gmail can be accessed online. I rarely use gmaps.
Google is junkware.
You can use another phone to download Playwhore apps then use ApkExport to make installable copies for the Google free phone.
Be glad you're Gookill free
Find workarounds and be happy!
For Gmail and Yahoo accounts, I use Yahoo mail (without notifications) and Huawei own app, Email app (here I can receive notifications).
Maps works fine too, without login option if I' m talking about normal instalation, and with login option if I'm talking about app installed on Ourplay.
I have had p40 pro since launch and been using the google apps a lot. today they stopped working. I am not happy about it. yes there are alternatives, but i truly dont want them. I dont want to use Waze for public transport or for walking from A to B. At least i have vance but that takes forever to load sometimes. I am just fed up of this
What doesn't work anymore, exactly?
No Google apps?
I understand you have GMS installed on your phone ... or not?
Maps should work ok; on phones without GMS you do not have the possibility to log in, if you want this facility you can use it in Ourplay, it works very well there.
Have you done any upgrades recently (sistem or apps) and since then the respective applications no longer work?
Give more details ... possibly also the version number of the respective application.
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What do you need to do with it and it doesn't work?
Except for some banking applications, for payments via NFC (for this you can use Curve or iCard), and Android Auto, what do you want to use and can't?
WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, Google photos, Signal, Telegram, Maps, Waze, YahooMail (own application, E-mail, work fine too, with Gmail or Yahoo mail account), YouTube Vanced, all work fine ...
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I don't use Android auto and payment apps but over these I have multiple problems without GMS:
- company tools: teams, mobileiron doesn't work
- play store paid app missing full functionality: onvier, aodnotify pro, VPN client pro (for TAP VPN connection), etc
- most of apps (even those that available in appgallery too) using google apis. so they works but you cannot get notifications, or facing other functional deficiency (typically banking apps, but almost every app)
- I'm local guide on google maps, but cannot login.
I don't trust unknown chinese apps like Gspace and Ourplay furthermore the notifications doesn't work properly.
In this year I used Samsung Galaxy S21+, Xiaomi Mi11 ultra and Huawei Mate 40 pro. the mate 40 Pro would be far best from this trio if it would have GMS.
For me it's a nonsense here.
I buy and I use a chinese phone, but I don't have trust on chineze apps ...
If we remember well, even Play Store (by Google) had problems with some apps (with viruses and other things).
Everyone talks about Google and / or Samsung and how much they spy, but we are only bothered by Huawei or some applications, just because they are Chinese.
I'm not Chinese, I don't raise statues for them, but I think the situation is crazy.
I am in the same boat here with a Mate 40 Pro. How is everyone getting around using banking apps on your Mate 40 Pro? Is sideloading or use them in ourplay considered safe? That is probably the only thing I am missing on Mate.
There are banking applications that work normally and applications that do not work at all.
Usually they don't work through Ourplay either ...
Payment can only be made via NFC through certain applications, such as Curve or iCard.
Well gentlemen,
I have traded mine in for a Xiaomi.
The mate is a fantastic phone with a tragic software problem, (at least for me) I do so hope this situation is resolved.......
Same here. The problem is that government APP and bank APP need GMS, otherwise they just refuse to run.
Czytam te skargi i nie odchodzę od nich. Mam Mate 40 Pro i wszystko, czego potrzebuję, mam na telefonie. Mam 2 aplikacje bankowe i płatności telefonicznie 2 polskie banki (mBank i PKO BP). Android auto nie działa, ale jestem bardzo zadowolony z Petal Maps i od dawna nie myślałem o korzystaniu z Google Map. Trochę i wymiana AA również będzie.
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What do you need to do with it and it doesn't work?
Except for some banking applications, for payments via NFC (for this you can use Curve or iCard), and Android Auto, what do you want to use and can't?
WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, Google photos, Signal, Telegram, Maps, Waze, YahooMail (own application, E-mail, work fine too, with Gmail or Yahoo mail account), YouTube Vanced, all work fine ...
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Hi I have issue can't login to my local banking apps because keyboard cover login button , is there any idea how to hide keyboard so that I can login..Many Thanks
I have very very very rarely encountered this problem. It always gets fixed by hiding and re opening the keyboard. Otherwise check if you have changed any parameters in the keyboard app, like size and behaviour.