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TomTom are looking into the TT5 and GPRS Freeze!

Below I have copied all the emails sent and recieved regarding this problem with my XDA2i and TT5 Freezing when I try to use GPRS to Downlaod Traffic. See responses and be assured Tomtom seem to be looking into it!
Cheers
Lee
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Dear Tomtom,
I have a major problem with my XDA2i and the TT5 Traffic updates. When ever I try to use my GPRS connection on the move to download your Traffic Updates that I have subscribed to, TomTom 5 Freezes. The PDA still works when TT5 freezes, I know this because I can use one of the hardware buttons to exit TT5 and open the Calendar. If I do this TT5 remains running in the background and cannot be stopped until I reset the XDA2i. At all times the GPS Bluelight is lit up as if it is connected.
I have paid for a 1 year subscription for the Traffic Updates and kindly ask you to either fix the problem or refund my traffic subscription money.
The Traffic Updates cannot be downloaded therefore it is very unfair that I have to pay for a service I can not use as intended.
I am pleased to see that you now support the XDA2i and look forward to hearing from you very soon.
http://www.tomtom.com/products/compatibility.php?ID=109&Language=1
By the way, I have installed the latest TT5 5.10 update and the new O2 ROM v1.11.162 update for the XDA2i, it still doesn't work properly. My SD Card is a Corsair 1GB SD1GBA0506H3S37WN and I have tried it using a 512mb SD card. I have even tried the Corporte install on the XDA2i and that doesn't work either.
Tomtom 5 is a very worthy upgrade over the TT3 version and I thankyou for providing a product that is Far better than ever before, I just wish you could sort this Freeze problem out.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks
Lee
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Just thought i'd tell you that when the XDA2i TT5 Freezes if I removed the SD card it imiediatley starts working again! Then what I do is reinsert the SD card, the only probelm is, the Map is on the SD card and by removing it makes it lose the map on screen and cannot be recoverd unless I exit TT5 and Restart again.
It looks like it may be a SD card issue, the problem is I have tried many different SD cards, 512mb, 1gb 60x speed and now ive got a new SD card 1gb Sandisk Ultra III 133x speed and that still freezes.
Any ideas to which will work?
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Dear Mr Donnellan,
We are looking into this issue. Could you please write us the ROM version you have installed on your XDA2i?
We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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Hi,
In response to your answer to my question please find the Detaisl you have requested below:-
ROM Version: 1.11.00 WWE
ROM Date: 01/27/05
Radio Version 1.00.00
Protocol Version: 1337.39
ExtROM Version: 1.11.162 WWE
I updated to this rom to try and fix the issue as the original ROM from O2 didn't work as far as TT5 is concerned. I could run the TT5 program but was slightly more unstable than it is now.
Thanks
Lee

The same happens with mine too (Or used to) i havnt had chance to check if it still freezes as often after i updated to the new ROM version but the one that includes the newer Radio ROM version.
I found that if you take out the sd card then re-insert it quickly, it continues on fine, no Map loss.
The freeze problem is almost certainly to do with the Radio locking up the SD somehow, which should be up to O2 (or HTC) to sort out.
I find my phone freezes sometimes when i recieve a call, but removing the SD card sorts the problem.
As i said ... i've not ad the chance to test TomTom since i updated but, i havnt had ANY lockups or freezes with calls since.

I feel like crying
At last someone else with the same problem. I can add a little though: -
I have a panasonic 128MB card which works with traffic perfectly, I have 2 x 1GB SD cards, 1 PNY and 1 Viking both of which fail to update the traffic information - exactly the same, remove the card and everything seems to clear up. What I can't understand is that if I use my Panasonic card it works perfectly even if just before the reboot it would not work with one of the 1GB cards no reinstallation of TOMTOM or changing of any of the settings. Not sure if it is size or quality related ? The cards all work as "simple satnav cards" perfectly.
The other point is that if I am not connected to the BT reciever (I plan a route and then run a demo as an example) all of the cards work perfectly.
They only fail when the GPS information is availible.
Kind Regards
Dave Cook

I downloaded the 5.10 upgrade in the hope it would solve my xdaii freezing up every time i got a phone call, but it is still the same . In tt5 when the upgrade is installed is the Version (5.00 - 5.10) supposed to change ?? as mine stay's the same (v5.00) . i expect you're all as fustrated as i am at not being able to use both the phone and tt.
Steve
ROM VER:1.72
ROM DATE: 03/15/04
RADIO VER:1.17.00
PROTOCOL VER 1337.28
EXT ROM VER: 1.72.181

RE: TT5 to TT5.i version display.
I have TTN5.1 on my XDAIIi and it displays version 5.1. At a guess I would say your upgrade did not install correctly. After upgrade it displays on your PDA to re-install certain TTN apps, did you say yes to this, if so I can't see why your upgrade did not work. :twisted:

It will be interesting to see if TomTom do find a solution, but based on my experiences I don't think it is TomTom that is the problem.
I have a SanDisk 512MB SD card that runs just fine with Navigator 5.1 and the phone switched on. I also have a SanDisk 2GB SD card which exhibits the classic TomTom freeze.
The key fact is that Media Player also freezes with the 2GB card when the phone is on and it seems to happen when the phone switches to a new transmitter cell. The 2GB card works fine with Media Player when I switch to flight mode.
The fact that Media Player exhibits freezing in the same way as TomTom due to the radio having some unfortunate interaction with larger SD cards leads me to believe the fault is more fundamental to the device/operating system rather than a fault within TomTom.
I think therefore it needs a fix from Microsoft/HTC but I won't hold my breath as they already probably consider XDAIIi's running WM2003SE as a legacy platform, now that the Universal/WM2005 combination is imminent.
Anyone else had similar problems with Media Player freezing or any other application accessing a large SD card with the phone active?
Device: XDAIIi
ROM version: 1.11.00 WWE
Radio version: 1.03.00
ExtROM version: 1.11.162 WWE

Yeah same for me mate, i posted a a reply with similar findings a couple of posts up ^
I think i'll be going for an upgrade when my contract runs out (6 months )
Radio ROM version 1.03 is better it seems to make the freezes less regular.

I agree, I think the same as you guys. It probably is O2's responsibility and will need a fix on their part to resolve it. However using TomTom Support who state they now support the XDA2i, Tomtom have more clout when it comes to persuading O2 to sort it out rather than little old me and will hopefully get a fix in the near future. The response I recieved has been far better than any previous responses from Tomtom and does encourage me knowing they are at least researching the problem which is now shown in the My Questions of Tomtom website. (Unanswered has now changed to Researching)
Fingers crossed hopefully Tomtom are talking to O2 to work it out.
Watch this space.
Cheers
Lee

Referring to this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26986&highlight=
and this
http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=58132
it might be the similar problem of formatting your SDcard in FAT 16 instead of FAT 32
Apparently these programs use the SD card to store information and they can only read FAT 16
Give it a try.

d.zee, thanks for the idea but no joy I'm afraid.
My SD Card was already formatted with FAT16. So I tried a re-formatting to FAT32 but Media Player froze again. I haven't tried TomTom but doubt it would perform any better.

Tomtom have replied, see below :-
Cheers
Lee
Dear Tomtom, I have a major problem with my XDA2i and the TT5 Traffic updates...
Discussion Thread
Customer 31/08/2005 08.10 AM
Dear Tomtom,
When enabling flight mode, both the Bluetooth and Phone are turned off. Turning on the flight mode will stop me from connecting my GPS receiver via Bluetooth and stop me from making a GPRS data connection via the Phone to download Traffic Updates.
Just to clarify the situation here, Tomtom 5 works brilliantly with my current configuration apart from the Tomtom Traffic Updates. If I have my Phone switched on or off Tomtom 5 will navigate me to where ever I need to go without many glitches, however I have subscribed to your Tomtom Traffic and find I can not use Traffic at all because when I try to download Traffic Updates via the GPRS connection (using the Phone which your asking me to turn off in flight mode)Tomtom will freeze.
I can remove and reinsert the SD card to get Tomtom to start working again but the map is no longer available as Tomtom thinks the SD card and maps are no longer present. The only other way to get Tomtom to work again is to reset my device. The PDA at all times remains useable just Tomtom that freezes.
In answer to your question, turning flightmode on stops me from using Tomtom 5 altogether, so that isn't the answer to the problem. If I was to turn the phone off but keep flightmode off allowing Bluetooth to continue to work, that still doesn't fix the GPRS connection as the phone is off so a GPRS connection cannot be made.
As you know I have paid a lot of money for the Tomtom Traffic subscription and cannot use it, therefore can I remind you that if you can't fix this problem, I would be grateful if you can refund my money for the Traffic subscription.
(I would rather you fix the problem!, a lot of other people are having exactly the same problem and is driving down the resale value of the XDA2i)
Can I take this opertunity to thankyou for your interest in this issue and thankyou for looking into the problem, I look forward to hearing from you again.
Flightmode off = Phone On, Bluetooth On (Yes GPRS and Yes GPS)
Flightmode on = Phone off, Bluetooth off (No GPRS, No GPS)
I can do this via a sim password
Flightmode off = Phone off, Bluetooth on (No GPRS, Yes GPS)
Lee
Response 29/08/2005 04.24 PM
Dear Mr Donnellan,
Could you please try to enable flight mode and write us if that works?
We are trying to find out which is the problem.
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team

Response 29/08/2005 04.24 PM
Dear Mr Donnellan,
Could you please try to enable flight mode and write us if that works?
We are trying to find out which is the problem.
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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OMG i cant believe the reply ! I can safely say .. they never read the email properly lol
The problem lies with the OS/Radio ROM not TomTom as the freezing happens with other applications too not just TomTom, so its a job for the Mobile operators and/or device makers.
If they upgraded us to WM2005 then i think all the problems would disapear, sign my petition link in my signture.

Danny,
I couldn't believe it either, how can they fix the problem if they don't even know what the problem is!! lol
Anyway, at least they are still looking into it, in hope that they can speak to O2 to get it sorted or at least give me my Traffic money back.
I have tried to sign your petition and I managed to get it to load up the form but when I submitted it it fails.
Let me know if it works or not at your end and i'll try again when it does.
Good idea by the way keep it up and lets hope alot of people sign it.
All the best
Lee

Hi mate, your name is entered in the petition, the last name on the list atm
It would be nice if TomTom contacted O2 to complain about their incompatibilitys, although judging by the response you got from them, i think that extracting blood from a stone may be easier !

Things are moving Fast! Tomtom have replied already, here it is:-
Response 01/09/2005 12.24 PM
Dear Mr Donnellan,
We thank you for your feedback. We were thinking that you were experiencing freezing issues also when navigating.
We have run a test here with an XDA2i and ROM version 1.10 and it worked fine when updating traffic information. We will try with version 1.11.
Which GPS receiver are you using?
If you do not use the GPS and you only try to update traffic, is it working?
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Dear Tomtom, I have a major problem with my XDA2i and the TT5 Traffic updates...
Discussion Thread
Customer 01/09/2005 05.20 PM
Dear Tomtom,
Thankyou again for looking into this problem. You are correct in saying the Freeze problem is only when I try to download Traffic Updates. Using Tomtom on a day to day basis works fine using my Tomtom GPS Bluetooth Receiver.
The freeze problem only occurs when downloading Traffic Updates or even Weather. However; I have managed to get it to work now and then! 97% on the time it freezes.
I have tried to download traffic with the following setups:-
1) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Connected to Tomtom with a satelite fix with a stationary vehicle.
2) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Connected to Tomtom without a satelite fix.
3) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Not Connected to Tomtom without a satelite fix.
4) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Connected to Tomtom with a satelite fix whilst driving.
5) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Connected to Tomtom with a satelite fix with a stationary vehicle and demonstration mode running.
All cause it to freeze! sometimes it will work but 97% time doesn't.
When it Freezes this is what happens, The Symbol for Downloading the Updates shows an arrow and flickers whilst the downloading is being carried out, when it freezes the arrow stops moving, I think it stops at the point it tries to use the data. It seems to download the data but can't finalize the data to be used.
However please note the following setups:-
1) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Connected to Tomtom with a satelite fix with a stationary vehicle and wireless WiFi connected to the internet.
2) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Not Connected to Tomtom without a satelite fix with a stationary vehicle and wireless WiFi connected to the internet.
3) GPS Bluetooth Receiver Not Connected to Tomtom without a satelite fix docked to activesync on my PC connected to the internet.
All work every time! The problem here is I don't drive with a PC or Wireless connection to Wifi so Traffic Updates cannot be updated on route when I need them.
The GPS Reciever I have is:-
Tomtom Bluetooth GPS Receiver (Mark 1, a little silver rectangle shaped box)
Hope that answers your question and helps you resolve this problem.
Please let me know which SD card you have tested this out on, you say yours works, I am interested in your setup. Why would yours work yet many many other XDA2i 's don't? Maybe we could compare XDA2i 's. Compare the following:-
SD card
ROM Version with Radio version etc.
Where you installed your Tomtom Program, all on the SD card or only maps on the SD card?
Corporate Install or Personal install?
Kind Regards
Lee

All evidence is now pointing towards it being an issue with certain types of SD card.
Has your device ever stuck on say the start menu, you pop out the SD card and all is fine......

No but it has been slugish with the SD card in and when taken out it becomes ok. That was with the slower SD cards I have used in the past, that problem has been fixed with a faster SD card.
Cheers
Lee

bluebotle said:
No but it has been slugish with the SD card in and when taken out it becomes ok. That was with the slower SD cards I have used in the past, that problem has been fixed with a faster SD card.
Cheers
Lee
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Perhaps not for you, but for others it has.
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=26506

Well my Transcend card arrived yesterday, but I had no real opportunity to test it until today.
So I sit here now, over 300 miles and 10 hours later and not a single freeze. Phone calls, GPRS file transfers, downloading mail, SMSs, MMSs and Traffic Information, both on TomTom and Traffic-I, the XDA IIi performed flawlessly, something that it has NEVER done since I got it, and i do not just mean with TomTom running.
So the answer is a Transcend 80x SD card, I don't think it is as much to do with the speed though, most likely power consumption/voltage issues as Pocket Mechanic shows the speed of the card being as quick as one of the ones that it replaced.

MaskedMarauder said:
Well my Transcend card arrived yesterday, but I had no real opportunity to test it until today.
So I sit here now, over 300 miles and 10 hours later and not a single freeze. Phone calls, GPRS file transfers, downloading mail, SMSs, MMSs and Traffic Information, both on TomTom and Traffic-I, the XDA IIi performed flawlessly, something that it has NEVER done since I got it, and i do not just mean with TomTom running.
So the answer is a Transcend 80x SD card, I don't think it is as much to do with the speed though, most likely power consumption/voltage issues as Pocket Mechanic shows the speed of the card being as quick as one of the ones that it replaced.
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and i can say the same, been using it a little more than MaskedMarauder and have not had a single lockup due to traffic or phone being on
in fact i have just found out if you press the hang up button it minimizes tt and when you press tt again it starts instantly

tomtom 5 stuck

Hallo,
I recently bought TomTom navigator 5. apart of the fact that v5 didn't install in WM5 and I had to wait for release 5.2, now I have this big problem: the program gets stuck trying to load the maps.
I tried copying the maps manually to the SD card. if I unplug the SD, tomtom complains that there are no maps and closes. if I plug again the SD, the program gets stuck and I can't do anything else (it freezes the whole device)
any clue?
thanks

you need 5.21 update (wm5 most compliant).
you can download it from tomtom.com
BR

I already have 5.21, it was a typo...
the problem is that it gets stuck when loading maps from the SD card...
it otherwise loads doesn't find the maps, and closes. but the program IS correctly installed...
thanks

m8...its happened to my sometimes on my exec that I had to uninstall via activ sync and reinstall again to correct...make sure you also have an empty folder named tomtom on the root of the sd and another on the root of the poquet pc and be sure that the map you have is correct for tomtom 5 .
BR

I tried, and it doesn't work (sigh sigh)
Also, I tried changing the SD card (you never know) but nothing changed.
all folders are present, though I had to create the one in the SD card.
still freezes *sigh*
also, tomtom help doesn't help at all, and I hate spending money for a non working software :evil:

m8...what version windows are you running....wm5 or 2003?
another thing ...I got stuck like that once after already having installed twice on two other xda2s's running the exact latest rom from 02... that time i shortcuted it by not installing any voices insted i put the voices folder on the card and put voices in there....that gave me this problem also.....installed a couple of voices from the disc on to the xda memory and voila its working like a charm.
BR

I'm running wm5, standard (no tuma-ivan-etc)
I'll try as you suggested this evening, I hope to solve it
thanks for your help!!

TomTom is one of the crappiest, buggiest piece of commercial software I've seen in a long time. Once you get it up and running it's usually OK for a month or two, but it generally soils its underwear after a short time and needs a reinstall.
I mean, 5.21, how long as 5 been out? 21 minor revs since then? Do they actually test their software, or just ship it and wait for the users to do it for them? I work in the industry and I am far from impressed with them. Especially given what it costs.
Any how, as I said, periodically you need to completely clean it out. Remove all folders. Delete your map directory on the SD card and copy over the original copy of the map you purchased. Delete all of the program directories it makes. I found as many as 6 or 7 directories on my storage card where it's scatterbrain configuration liked to hide data. Once I had to completely cull it from the registry to get it going, all keys with "navigator" and "tomtom" were suspect. Beware tho, "navigator" might be in there through other applications.
Oh, another thing to check...sometimes it gets sadomasicistic and decides to set a config file or two as read only. One day it's working, the next it fails to remember settings changes. You can fix that one without a reinstall if you can figure out which file it is (generally the map config file).
However, despite all this, sometimes you need to hard-reset to get it going again.

thanks to all, but I think I found a good solution.
I brought back the software to the vendor and changed it with navigator pn. it works perfectly
it's more of a workaround than a solution, but hey - at least I gave my money to a company that deserves it.
thanks destinator!

TomTom 6 and Xda IIi hangs all the time!

About 2 weeks of testing and still frustrated. I dont get TomTom 6 and Xda IIi to work fine. Everything works fine, installation, gps connection, poi an so on. The BIG problem is while i´m driving. Suddenly after for ex 3 min, 10 min, 28 min or 55 min the TomTom hangs. Then it works again after a soft reset and then it hangs and so on...
I´ve tried change ROM on the XdaIIi, tried TomTom 5 but the problem is still there.
I Use GPS Globalsat BT-338, Xda IIi ROM ver 1.11.00 WWE, SD card 1GB Kingston x50 and TomTom 6 (ver 6.030).
Any proposal? I´ve read some suggest faster SD card?

Works fine on mine, my SD card is a 4Gb 150x one. It may be another piece of software you have installed that is causing the issue. If you can back it all up I would test it on a clean install without the o2 front end ie corporate install but it may be your card.

i´ll try a faster XD.

I had troubles till I gained a disk by a Gentleman called Plasma from another place I cleared out the previous incantations and installed his works like a dream no problems even picks up my shortcut knowledge very quickly (I used to be a Transport Manager and am one of those horrible people with a map in my head for major routes) I use it mainly for the last couple of miles or the one or two places I don't know but mainly for the POI i.e. the speed camera's(I may be an old git but I like to travel reasonably fast)

3 possibilities I can think of:
1.) If this is a fairly recent install of TomTom 6 it might just not happen to like the particular SDcard you are using for the maps - I've heard some people find much faster cards give fewer/no crashes.
2.) Having too many POI files selected to display. Mine goes all unstable if I have more than about 25 different ones ticked to display on the map.
3.) sometimes the TomTom cfg gets corrupted, 'losing' my home locations and I am unable to set it...it gets tetchy & sometimes crashes out. The answer is to delete TomTom Navigator.cfg in the Navigator folder in Programs - TomTom will re-create a fresh one when you start and you go through the setups again, but hopefully without it crashing.
hope these are of some help
Joe

I had the same problem.
Changed the SD card to: "Transcend 2GB" and TomTom6 works perfectly on 2020i

Seems like Xda IIi freeze no matter how fast the SD is (with all tomtom version) if using SD and SIM card plugged in.
Change to MMC or take off SIM card then no more system hang.

Now I´ve test with SD card Extreme III. The problem i still there.
I know a few places where it hangs every time i drive past. Exactly the same position at the map. Very strange.
I deleted all pois, same **** again.

a lack of GPS signal can cause a map to "Hang" / "lock Up" and favorites for this are the Bluetooth GPS units

iGuidance 3.0.1 and the Tilt

Has anyone got iGuidance 3.0.1 to work on a Tilt. I am getting mine tomorrow and really need this program to work. Thanks.

Sorry, 3.01 won't work on any WM6 device I believe. I found display issues, prog closes if you touch any key while navigating.
The good news is that v4 works great on WM6 and Kaiser for sure and I believe that it will work on Tilt as well. (If it won't work on tilt, I'd flash the tilt to the HTC rom).

V3.01 works GREAT on the Kaiser.
The only issue is that you need to disconnect the data connection or it wont boot up. Other than that, I have seen very few issues.
(If you dont disconnect data, it may take iNav 5 minutes or so to load up. When disconnected, it takes about 3 seconds on mine).

I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken

Data Connection w/ iGuidence
Thanks for the tip about the data connection! That was driving me crazy. How did you figure that out?

kjones2k1 said:
I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken
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V3.01 came with a map-loader which let you select exactly what you wanted.
Look in your program files and see if you can find something like that.

Miclo77 said:
Thanks for the tip about the data connection! That was driving me crazy. How did you figure that out?
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Trolling these boards and emails to iGuidance support. Glad it helped.

yeah i to don't like the map size so i went back to v4 until i get a 6GB card (or 8GB)
there is no map loader with v4 from what I have seen so I believe you are stuck on that point.. hopefully there is a solution to it that i just don't know of

Did you do anything unusual to get iGuidance 3.0.1 working? I keeps crashing on me on a fresh out of the box Tilt. Do you have it installed in main memory or on the storage card? I put it on the card and I'm wondering if that is my problem.
I knew about disconnecting the data, coming form an 8525 and an BT GPS

I'm suprised that 3.0.1 works on WM6, it closed abruptly on my 8525 (running Black Satin WM6) every time I touched any display button while actively navigating. Only the v4 worked solid for me. I personally don't miss the map loader since now the a single file contains the whole country including Hawaii, something you could never load except by itself due to some goofy NavTec contract issue. The v4 map is only 1.3 gig and 4gig micro SD's are now fairly available and reasonably priced.

I tried it and it took like 5 minutes to come up after clicking on the icon. Not good.

w4rmk said:
I tried it and it took like 5 minutes to come up after clicking on the icon. Not good.
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Read previous posts on this thread. Disconnect Data before booting it up and it should be fine.

chop69 said:
Did you do anything unusual to get iGuidance 3.0.1 working? I keeps crashing on me on a fresh out of the box Tilt. Do you have it installed in main memory or on the storage card? I put it on the card and I'm wondering if that is my problem.
I knew about disconnecting the data, coming form an 8525 and an BT GPS
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I didnt do anything special. I just loaded it up on the device (Storage card option) and went to town.

yeah i just loaded it on the device and put the map on the card. true about it only being 1.3gb but while i only have 2gb overall, until i get a new card.

kjones2k1 said:
I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken
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IGuidance v.3 works great (and is, imo, the best gps software available) on AT&T Tilt. Version 4, because it is one continuous map (instead of individual state files) is an all or nothing install. If that is a problem, I have a nice almost-brand new version 3 that I would ever so happy to trade you for so you can load only the states you need. Let me know.

RemE said:
I'm suprised that 3.0.1 works on WM6, it closed abruptly on my 8525 (running Black Satin WM6) every time I touched any display button while actively navigating. Only the v4 worked solid for me. I personally don't miss the map loader since now the a single file contains the whole country including Hawaii, something you could never load except by itself due to some goofy NavTec contract issue. The v4 map is only 1.3 gig and 4gig micro SD's are now fairly available and reasonably priced.
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OK now I see the problems you are talking about. It starts up just fine and if I'm just using it to follow where I am (not navigating) it works fine, but if you tap the menu button to set a destination or try to pan the map, it locks up. This is on a freshly hard reset Tilt with nothing else installed at the moment. Program installed to main memory and the maps on SD.

OK I kind of found a solution (and maybe the reason why some people have it working.) The on screen keys will quit working after it goes into full screen mode. The solution unfortunately is going back to 3.0. That works for me because I don't use the spoken directions. I've seen over on gpspassion.com that 4.0 still has some bugs, so I will wait until they patch it to make the switch.

What did you guys do to get the GPS working? I just got my tilt today and I can't figure out how to get the GPS info working into iGuidance....any help would be awesome.

just make sure the gps settings in i guidance are set to port 4 with the 4800 baudrate. let me know if there are any problems.
p.s. make sure you mention your exchange server on the kaiser forum for those that didn't go from hermes to kaiser.

y2whisper said:
just make sure the gps settings in i guidance are set to port 4 with the 4800 baudrate. let me know if there are any problems.
p.s. make sure you mention your exchange server on the kaiser forum for those that didn't go from hermes to kaiser.
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Ya I finally got it to work. I had it set up like that, but the phone wasn't picking up satelites in my house...but when I went outside it started working.
I'll re-post another forum thread later today for Exchange in the Kaiser forum.

VERY SLOW AT&T Tilt ---- Maybe fixed?

I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom

Sounds like it's time to try a new card. Mine would be slow, sometimes stop responding. A new storage card and all was well. The old card works fine in my card reader on my desktop, just not the tilt.

ragutom said:
I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom
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Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.

In Testing
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom

ChumleyEX said:
Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.
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No Manila..... tho there are alot of MPEG type files on the card.... haha ;-)

So did we conclude that the microsd card was the problem? I got the same issues but I was thinking of reformatting the card instead of replacing it.

ragutom said:
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom
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Hey ragutom,
What is going on?
Please, I'm so eager to hear from you.
n.

i appologize....i have not been able to try it yet....very busy week....As I am sitting here typing this tho....the cursor is barely keeping up.
i will let you all know soon though.
tom

If that didn't fix it, try removing all of the mp3's from it.

I took my card out and its still slow. Will a build up of text messages cause the phone to go slow?

Usually when U dont clear out alot of your sent, text or inbox stuff it build up & slows down the Tilt also. And cleaning up those cookies (if any) might work as well.

I've had these issues before.
It's because there isn't much room n the SD card. I had movies on my card for a while with just a little room left... removed them and wallah!!! fast-o change-o.
8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.

UPDATE!!!!
ok
so its been a while since I posted..... I have been checking the posts as they come in....but havent been replying (sorry! reallly busy)
Everyone seems to have good points and ideas.
Obviously there may be many solutions to this problem..
I did finally get the 8 gig kingston card in.... moved everything off the old card...onto my comp...then back on the new card. everything is faster now.
I dont think it was entirely the card though......
Message management sped up entirely after i deleted the 500+ emails (some with large attachments) that i didnt realize were being saved in the deleted folder! (I usually keep my text folder clean)
Tom Tom sped up after i hid the USA CANADA map from the program and downloaded my "one free local map". Now I use the local map for MOST things....and the VERY SLOW USA CANADA map for trips out of the area (not common) ((((If anyone has any suggestions for this let me know)))) to give an example....I put it on demo mode with the USA CANADA and it took 10 minutes to go 1 mile in 100% mode.....local takes only a minute for the same stretch.
Picture taking still sucks. Although I have WAY more free space....
Typing in messages sped up to..... probably cuz of deleting messages too.....
hopefully this answers some questions......its not the end all solution that I was thinking tho.....
But to answer one question fully...... the Tilt does support 8 gig cards and SDHC compliance
Tom

ahighone said:
8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.
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No, supports up to 32 gb sdhc. I'm using a 16 gb one

I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.

Nele12 said:
I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.
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You just need the Tilt Keyboard Fix to correct the FN keys.

mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.

Nele12 said:
mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.
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Take a read of shifu first page it's in red