Hello,
I wrote many posts about my disapointment on the Kaiser performances, but this one will surely be the last one, I'm gonna sell my Kaiser.
At first, I thought I had to just get used to it, but after about 20 days of use, I definitly just CANNOT get use to it !
It may be a good device for phone, email, GPS, all kind of serious work; but about the entertainment, it is a bad device from my point of view :
- it can't play VGA videos with a good frame rate : we all know the driver "not existing" problem. But when you pay the high price for this device, you also pay for the Qualcomm processor, wich in the case of the Kaiser does not give you all it should !!!
Also I noticed that displaying streaming videos from the web was slower than on my old HTC Universal (wich is one of the slower HTC machine about displaying videos because it is a VGA device with no hardware accelerator).
- games and emulators run slower than on my HTC Prophet device (wich is overclocked at 240 Mhz where my Kaiser runs at 380 Mhz !) : it's for real, I just tested again many games and emulators and the frame rate is better on the HTC Prophet.
- the pad isn't good for gaming (because of its shape) : the horizontal size of it is too big compared to the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't leave your finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ... Also, in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard.
The buttons around the pad are too small. Many times, when playing, I press two buttons at the same time instead of just one.
From my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
To try to improve the performances, I tried many tweaks given by you guys on this forum (thanks for that), it worked for some things but only partially, unfortunatly not enough to make me think that my Kaiser has a decent speed.
I know the Kaiser is not a gaming machine, but it is hard to accept these performances problems when you know that most of the other HTC machines, with lower prices, run faster !!! It is really a shame that HTC didn't make any driver to just use the power of the Qualcomm processor, but they let us pay for it !!!
Along with these performances problems, I'm also disapointed about the overall finish quality of this device :
- the d-pad looseness : I hate to feel the buttons and the pad moving under my fingers.
- it's made of plastic, compared to my Prophet wich is made of metal, I feel the need to protect my Kaiser with a good cover, wich increase the size it takes in my pocket (where my Prophet just had no protection).
- the power on button is not in a good position : too close from the screen and not enough sticking, so many times I push the screen while pressing it, and I also need to always look at my Kaiser and search for the button to power it on or off. Someone in this forum gave a solution for that, where we put 3D paint on the button, but seriously, doing that on a device of this price, it's a shame again !
- the weight : the Kaiser is about twice heavier than my Prophet (well, it is my feeling). But it is hard to blame HTC on this because the Kaiser has so many things inside, could they do better ? I'm not sure.
- the micro-sd door make me feel like it could break very easily.
- the keyboard : all keys does not give the same feeling when pressing them, so I always have to look at the screen while typing to be sure the key I pressed is really pressed or is not pressed twice. I thought I could get use to it, but after 20 days of use, I just say "no !". I tried the keyboard of the TYTN (the old one, the TYTN 1) of one of my friend, and it is really better ! Also the space bar gives two clicks when you press it (strange feeling) where the TYTN space bar gives only one (wich is better).
- the camera : I took a few pictures, and as on many pocketpc/phone, from my point of view the quality just make me think it's a gadget again, but about that I don't really care because I just don't need it (but again, I paid for it).
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
The only good part I like on the Kaiser is the GPS, it's working very well.
It may also be good as a phone, but I didn't use it yet so let's say it's good (everyone say so).
So I took the decision to sell it, and maybe wait for the "TYTN III"
But for the next one, I guess I'll wait more before buying it for other people to give a lot more opinions. Now I also have a 6GB micro-sd to sell (one week old !), I will lose money but that will make me feel happier !
How much do you want for thsi pile of trash?
dizzy33 said:
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
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Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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how much for the card!
I posted something similar yesterday and I have moved it here:
I went from the i-mate JASJAM (TyTN) to the TyTN II, and below are part of something I posted on another site:
New annoyances with TyTN II, issues I didn't have with the JASJAM:
1. Playing MP4 videos in PMP10; sound and video out of sync.
2. Occasional sluggishness (CPU not enough?).
3. Screen sometimes doesn't react to tapping if screen tapping sounds are enabled or if using other apps which gives sound feedback, like Bubble Breaker.
4. Poor quality Bluetooth audio for handsfree phone calls, similar to what you get with two tin cans and a string.
5. If you're right-handed and slide out the keyboard, then need to use the stylus, you have to perform some minor acrobatics to get it out from the left side. Be careful not to drop the phone!!!
6. A GPS device with a transmissive screen? HTC hopes that everyone will be using the GPS indoors? JASJAM's screen was transflective but probably because of the lack of GPS
7. Night mode in the camera can not be switched on or off manually. The camera will decide when night mode is required, and this is the case even when strong fluorescent light is available, making it impossible to use the camera hand-held indoors.
8. The camera takes all photos in portrait mode. You have to hack the registry to make it switch to landscape mode.
Of the above points, I hope the first four could be solved if HTC would ever release ROM updates.
And HTC: WTF is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"??!?! You're trying to deceive customers? Full speed (12Mbps) is USB 1.1!!! USB 2.0 gives High Speed, which is 480Mbps, which of course the TyTN II doesn't support.
To add something positive about the TyTN II:
- Keyboard is much nicer. It gives more feeling of quality than the cheap metal dome calculator keys the JASJAM had. The TyTN II's keyboard is probably the same, but they have managed to improve the "feel".
- A2DP! Using my SE DS970 headset, sound quality is very good. Not with PMP10 though. I'm using PocketMusic which gives something similar to SE's MegaBass.
- I love the case! Mocha leather feel and that ultra-soft velcro flap gives an almost naughty feeling to it
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- The 3MP camera is very good, although the 2MP in the JASJAM was also very good (with the right settings) and the increase in megapixels doesn't give the corresponding increase in photo quality. TyTN II photos are just a little better.
I could perhaps recommend the TyTN II to new users. But I would definitely not recommend upgrading from TyTN (JASJAM). Better buy a Bluetooth GPS, if this functionality is what you miss on the TyTN. If you need faster than 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, then choose another phone. Maybe the E90?
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
Deathace said:
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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About the DivX file reading, yes you can read them if you encoded it with pocketdivx, you're right. Actually, you can do that with any pocketpc on the market, even with the cheapest one. But my problem is that when you look at the Qualcomm capabilities, you see that it should read VGA videos, without the need to convert them (my good old Axim X50V could do that, and it is now about 4 years old !). It would be, from my point of view, a lot more interesting if we could directly put the divx file into the Kaiser without having to convert it to some format each time. As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
Like you said, maybe I should give more time to my Kaiser, maybe someone (of course not an HTC people) will program the drivers for us, but it's all "maybe", and if I don't want to lose much money on my Kaiser, the sooner I sell it, the better it is.
I would really like to ear someone saying "hey, a driver to use the Qualcomm capabilities will be out soon", I would then really give more time to my Kaiser, but for now the only thing we have is the petition, and I guess HTC will not listen to us. Why would they ? So many people are using it only for its professionnal use (phone/GPS/emails etc...), I think they will not listen to 2000 people (if we are !), when the device is sold to something like dozens of thousand people, and I may be far from the real count.
I would definitly prefere to keep it, but it does not fit all my needs unfortunatly.
I would like to advise future buyers of this device that it is not as perfect as we can read in the reviews. If it's for a strictly professional use, it may be OK, but for entertainment, my advise would be "buy something else !".
dizzy33 said:
As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
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This is the main reason that my next phone will not be a HTC phone. The obviously poor quality of the Video in a "premium" product means that when I am "able" to upgrade my handset, it wont be HTC.
Phones like the LG Viewty and even the iPhone put this pile-of-crap to shame not obly for video and audio, but in the case of the Viewty for Camera quality.
I gave up on using the camera on my Kaiser/VarioIII within a week. The usability of the camera is poor (to juddery)
Menneisyys said:
Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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Thanks a lot !
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
I will also sell Kaiser ... once I got a similiar replacement (probably Imate Ultimate 9502?).
I agree, for entertainment, Kaiser is the worst HTC product!
I for one like this better than the TYTN. For one thing, spring-loaded keyboard sold me to it. I hated how the TYTN keyboard gets loose after several uses. I must've replaced it 3-4 times under warranty. All of them turned out the same and when i finally dropped the phone due to mishandling caused by the looseness of the keyboard, that was it.... My only main gripe is the power button that i wished they somewhat elevated and what everyone is complaining about and that is the video driver support. But i'll give it time since it just came out less than a month or 2 ago. Then the GPS, 3mp camera are just little extras that made me want it some more.
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
the-uki said:
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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Agreed. But Kaiser has so more untaped potential it's really frustrating HTC/Qualcomm gimped their hardware support.
It's also very shortsighted as HTC will be using the qualcomm platform for many products to come, and the kaiser "botch", when it will reach enough exposure, will certainly dent their sales.
coincoinlapin said:
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
it plays games?
the-uki said:
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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I'm sorry but I don't care about the fact that some other devices are worst. This does not make me like more my own device. The Kaiser problems are still there.
The main gripe with the Kaiser is speed. I hope that some day soon a clever bunny writes an Omap type app that'll overclock the Qualcomm. This, I'm sure, will make the device very usable.
If only I was the clever bunny.
sounds like you want a PSP rather than a phone
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
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Do you already have specs for the first htc gphone??
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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
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maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
Hello again, I am curently owner of the QTEK 9000 wich is a VGA device.
I am thinking about buying a KAISER but I am afraid of going back to QVGA ... I don't want to be disapointed !
Does someone did that ? I mean going from a VGA device to a QVGA one ?
How do you deal with it ?
Thanks a lot !
You will be not disappointed.
I still have the QTEK 9000 but never use this device as phone.
only application where i miss the VGA is the RDP
I did also use the G900 for view days. (800x480)
RDP was great..other application did not use the wide screen.
G900 was just to slow for daily usage
I was happy of VGA resolution for excel sheets using, I do it a lot. It is cool to be able to display a wide sheet.
Also for internet browsing ... I think I will miss VGA for that.
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I was happy of VGA resolution for excel sheets using, I do it a lot. It is cool to be able to display a wide sheet.
Also for internet browsing ... I think I will miss VGA for that.
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I dont like the QVGA. The font is very blurry. Everything is not clear. Even the games do not function well. Like SPB AirIslands lags. I suggest you stick to HTC Universal and wait till HTC Omni hits.
Or else I suggest the O2 XDA Flame. Which is much much better. ^^
Yes, O2 XDA Flame seems to be a great pocket pc ! Everything I need, except one very important thing for me : the hardware keyboard !!! The same device with a hardware keyboard and the same size as the Kaiser, I buy it what ever its price !
I really don't miss going back, the TyTn screen is pretty good, I still keep my HP 4" VGA hx4700 PPC at home for WiFi Slingboxing. The smaller Kaiser screen is just fine for me, given all the features that the phone has.
No question, I'd buy a TyTn III tomorrow IF it had a good VGA Transreflective display. Don't think any mobile device should be sold without a transreflective display.
dizzy33 said:
Yes, O2 XDA Flame seems to be a great pocket pc ! Everything I need, except one very important thing for me : the hardware keyboard !!! The same device with a hardware keyboard and the same size as the Kaiser, I buy it what ever its price !
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There is actually an Infrared Keyboard that O2 makes. Its called the O2 XM-02. It is sold as an accessory pack. Many retailers in Australia sell it. O2 Infrared Keyboard. The same size as the Kaiser. Its a QWERTY keyboard. Very sleek.
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i have jasjar, tytn and now touch.
after some time of using tytn and touch, i still prefer jasjar so much. that's why i can't dspose it.
planning to buy kaiser (tytn ii) also but it's very hard to throw away jasjar, so that's keeping me away from getting kaiser. at least for now.
might still get the kaiser and retain the universal.
nuclear said:
There is actually an Infrared Keyboard that O2 makes. Its called the O2 XM-02. It is sold as an accessory pack. Many retailers in Australia sell it. O2 Infrared Keyboard. The same size as the Kaiser. Its a QWERTY keyboard. Very sleek.
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Thanks but I'm not a fan of external keyboard : one more thing to charge (one more power supply to bring with you, plus it increases the size of your pocketpc).
I have been in a shop today to see the TYTN II (in France), all sold, even the demo one ! So I couldn't see it ... Frustrating !
About the VGA affair, in fact I saw that the screen is the same size as the HTC 3600, wich is pretty small. So I think that VGA on a 2.8 inches screen would be pretty unusable with small fonts. So to keep this PDA at a small size, maybe it's better to keep QVGA wich is less cpu power consuming.
Hard to make a choice !
I can give you some reasons why going back to QVGA isnt bad.
first of all, since it's a lower resolution, it takes less CPU power, and less battery power. that means things will be faster, such as games. (i mean think about it, when you play a game on a computer and lower the resolution, it gets faster).
second, there are 2 programs out there that allow you to change the resolution of a QVGA screen using zooming, you can zoom to a certain extentent without it looking bad, or you can change the resolution and just navigate around the screen:
Nydot virtual display: http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp
DotPocket: http://www.dotpocket.com/
you can use these apps for internet browsing
I think gaming is better using QVGA, since a 2.8" is already a pretty good size.
These softwares sound very interesting ... !!! it seems they can apply a high resolution where all fit on the screen (up to 800x600) ??? How can they do that ? Did you try it ? Does it really look like a real 640 x 480 for exemple ? I have read some reviews, they say that small fonts are unreadable (wich seems normal to me, the number of pixels in the screen stay the same 320x240, there is nothing magic !), we need a soft reset each time we want to change the resolution, and it is CPU power consuming ...
In that case, wich one is the less CPU power consuming : the software or the real VGA hardware ???
So I am only partially conviced ...
Dont' miss VGA at all!!!
I'm coming from the ETEN X500+ which is a VGA device.
I simply LOVED the Today Screen on the X500+ for its crispness and brightness. The icons looked great too. It was simply beautiful...BUT THAT WAS IT!!
The price I paid for having VGA on that device was RAM ALWAYS being LOW. With only a handful of apps loaded in memory, RAM would drop to 5MB!! After a RESET, RAM was only 20MB free!! Out the box, RAM was only 40MB available with 25MB free (it was supposed to be a 64MB RAM device)!! ETEN said it was due to the overhead of the VGA. I couldn't run Call of Duty since it requires at least 11-16MB of RAM free.
I use EXCEL spreadsheets, PDF and IE a lot. But even with the ability to jump to high rez in these apps, the text was way too small to read on the screen for long periods of time.
Mapopolis and Google Maps did look and work GREAT in high rez too; but I'll take the lower rez devices any day at this point.
These just weren't selling points for me to be convinced that WM6 devices is ready for VGA. IMO, you'll need screens the size of most UMPCs to really enjoy it.
TEC
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These softwares sound very interesting ... !!! it seems they can apply a high resolution where all fit on the screen (up to 800x600) ??? How can they do that ? Did you try it ? Does it really look like a real 640 x 480 for exemple ? I have read some reviews, they say that small fonts are unreadable (wich seems normal to me, the number of pixels in the screen stay the same 320x240, there is nothing magic !), we need a soft reset each time we want to change the resolution, and it is CPU power consuming ...
In that case, wich one is the less CPU power consuming : the software or the real VGA hardware ???
So I am only partially conviced ...
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up to 5000x5000 actually lol, any size you want. but your right, the more you increase teh resolution the harder it will be to read. there is no point for VGA if it doesnt have the big enough sized screen. the athena screen shows true VGA, but anything smaller would look too small and hard to read. i have not tried myself, i dont have a pocket pc, only a smartphone. on the website it says to read the directions carefully or you may have to hard reset your phone
Finally I bought a htc prophet (Qtek S200) for only 50€ ... As the screen is the same as the Kaiser, I'll see if I can deal with it.
Then I'll sell it, the only way to be sure that the Kaiser won't disapoint me !
qoing from vga (universal) to tytn II too.
i am little bit worry about screen, but as i had mda compact before - screen was ok and maybe little bit better then vga in some cases. now i am open to change big screen for more powerful device, even with qvga
looking forward for it!
I've just moved over from the Universal to the Kaiser, and yes in some ways I miss the VGA (RDP/Opera), but there the only misses, I can make do with Opera and RDP on the QVGA.... I've just kept the Universal and pop my sim in it when I know I'm going to need the VGA...
Love the Kaiser though, much easier on the pocket.....
I switched from a combo of V3XX RAZR with my Palm TX for the TyTN2 to have 3G and PIM, Multimedia, etc. all in one device. The Palm had a Half VGA (HVGA ?) res of 480x360 and I'm still getting used to less screen real estate.
It's most noticeable for me in web browsing and excel docs as mentioned above, but other than that I'm not missing much else.
So here is my feeling of going back to a QVGA device :
in fact, I am not very disapointed. The fact that the screen is only a 2.8 inches model (compared to the 3.7 inches for the Universal) makes the pixels smaller so it still does look good. But reading excel files with small textes becomes too difficult. So I will definitly have to scroll more reading the files.
But this is not a big deal, compared to the fact that the S200 is so small that I can really use it as a phone, and I don't feel it in my pocket !
Even using it as a GPS was good.
So I think I will finally buy a Kaiser when the prices will drop a little.
I'm having the same issue....hard to let go of my Universal, but I am just tired of the size of it, and having to lug it around. Thinking to make the change to the TyTnII
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I'm having the same issue....hard to let go of my Universal, but I am just tired of the size of it, and having to lug it around. Thinking to make the change to the TyTnII
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The Universal size is my problem too ... I am just using the prophet for only 3 days, but I love it cause I can bring it really everywhere with me, it is in my pocket all day long and I don't feel it. Also it is so small that I can really use it as a phone, so my original phone stays home ! I am sure now that I have to sell my Universal, the prophet/kaiser size is really what I need, even if I loose VGA (since I am using the prophet, I really don't miss VGA !).
OK, rather than hijack a thread, this is what I posted last night in the class action thread:
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What he said...but I am a little under the influence right now. To be honest, my phone works for GPS, works for email, works for web browsing, sync's via activesync, plays movies just fine (no slider issues when adjusting sound), allows me to read ebooks, works with office mobile (though I would like to be able to save Word documents as .DOC files, not .DOCX). Guess I'm with the 99% because I really don't see any issues with the phone that cause me to get on a soapbox. I really don't care if this makes me unpopular, but I'm so sick of people coming on this forum and moaning about video driver issues. Show me one other device that does all the things that a Kaiser can do? iPhone, no GPS and limited open source unless you want to run the risk of bricking the device, Nokia? Please, I had the 9xxx series of communicators for years. I had the choice between the latest comunicator series or the Kaiser, I went with the Kaiser as Symbian sucked. The N95, QWERTY keyboard???
This phone is not designed as a graphics device, its a business tool. If you want DVD quality movies, buy a portable DVD player, graphic intensive games, get a PSP. I have a Nokia 2110 mobile from 10 years ago that can't handle MID files, a Garmin Sat-Nav the size of a house brick and a digital camera that uses 3.5" floppy discs cause memory cards hadn't been invented when it was launched. HTC have packed an MP3 player, sat-nav, laptop computer, digital camera, mobile phone (...the list goes on) inside a device the size of a packet of cigarettes. Personally I think this is amazing, lets give them a bit of credit for doing this!
[/drunk rant off...]
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So, are you saying that just because it's business-oriented, its camera should continue to suffer from video driver issues? That it should be slower to process anything with some graphics in it, business-related, entertainment or otherwise?
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GPS, email, office - fine.
Web browsing - not at all - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbaDLzOU_Y
Syncing - fine, except mine disconnects randomly when connected via bluetooth
Movies - I haven't seen a single movie playing fluently on TyTN II
Is this really acceptable for you? Especially for such expensive device? I paid nearly $1000 for device that my 5 (!) year old iPaq h2210 can easily outperform at ANYTHING?
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I've never understood the driver issues, as I haven't witnessed them. Looking at the YouTube video posted, that is very worrying, but I would like to know how were such poor results achieved?
This is my Kaiser (running the stock o2 ROM). Firstly it shows a video being played on my laptop, second the same section of the same video on my Kaiser. Then a web page in PIE, followed by a bit of surfing on Opera. From my video, it seems to perform just fine. So am I just really lucky, or am I missing something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrHwG6xpc-E
Nope I get the same results.
Well, i dont have big issues with movies.
However, i notice a lot of "lag" effects sometimes when scrolling. Of course installed the scrolling fix for IE, which makes it far better, but still, there is interface lag.
This lag is easily noticeable when you try to close an app and need to point your stylus like 3 or 4 times on the top right X before anything appears.
Also noticeable when you scroll in the "programs" window , interface lag, the scrolling is bad, really... The icons in the programs windows look like they disappear (this part of the screen becomes totally blank/white) then half-reappear then disappear etc... It is UGLY. When scrolling in program window, what should be SEEN would be real scrolling icons, fluid and all ! It should be nice, fluid, and shouldnt look like the screen refresh is 1 frame / second.
With such a processor and the included ATI thingy i would have thought of a faster interface avoiding such lag tbh.
The Stargate video that you're showing on your tilt in your video, did you conver that first?
If not, I'd like to know the stats on the video. Whats the resolution, file size, etc.
I've copied music videos to my phone and they play like crap. I had to spend $30 on conversion software and wait for the media to be converted down before I was able to watch anything.
Stargate Atlantis episodes that are 350mb take a long time to convert. To me it's a waste of time. I'd rather have a fully functional device with proper video support. Software rendering makes the screen draw slow and makes the device lag.
So, have you copied any video files at all to your phone and had them not play correctly? Or are you saying that every video you've tried has worked fine?
That has NOT been my experience. I have to convert everything to 320x240 at 640 bitrate before my phone will play video smoothly.
There is no need to argue, the phone is capable of doing more, why not just face the fact.. If it can do more, what's the use on arguing "its already good enough??" No its not, the camera is the worse thing ive ever seen.
Dont get me wrong, the phone is great. I love it. The reception is the best ive ever seen.. But we just want them to correct the video driver issue, that is all. Its not harming you... is it? No need to drunk rant ..
Oh and by the way, technology is supposed to improve, the phone is an upgrade. Did it upgrade? No. I see no improvements..
Oh wait!, we got GPS .. I'll give you that.. Even then the GPS takes like 20 minutes to find a satallite. but it is great once its up and running.
I WOULD like to be able to turn on the eye candy and not destroy the usability of my device... even for business purposes
As the video seems to be really low res (QVGA at most) it should work, (we don't know about the bitrate but I'm assuming it's fairly low too).
Most of us who are complaining want a seamless experience. Ie we want to watch the regular videos we want on our computers on our mobile device.
IE scrolling seems nice enough, that seems to differ a bit between ROMs.
I can just share my experience from strart to "finish":
I read up on what device to get. Kaiser was very much hyped at the time. I took the time to read their webpage where they claim that the phone is "more powerful than any other mobile communicator". The same text says that the device is equally good for business and pleasure. It also reccomends using it for gaming:
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm
"More powerful than any mobile communications device you've seen before"
"perfectly for reading and creating e-mails, using applications, or even just playing games."
"Always ready for business - and pleasure"
I also took the time to check out the MSM7200 processor and what that was all about.
Now my primary focus is business. I wanted Office Mobile and a nice contact manager etc. I have no gripes there.
The problem started showing up when I came to the gaming/pleaasure part.
I tried dragging and dropping some TV shows (700kbps 512x384 res) and the playback is prety lousy.
So I went out and bought CorePlayer for 25 bucks. First result was even worse. So then I figured out that I actually had to turn off the standard Windows Mobile rendering interface called DirectDraw. Seemed strange enough as this is THE standard interface for drawing video on a windows mobile device. With a lot of tweaking I got semi acceptable playback in the end.
A day later I started playing around with the camera. It took me about five seconds to realize that it was utterly flawed. Shutter speed (or rather the processing speed) makes the delay from the point where you click the button to where the picture is taken was so slow that none of my pictures came out right.
It's also exceedingly difficult to use the viewfinder seeing as it runs at less than 5 fps and with extreme blur.
Capturing video was also a downer. Instead of the 30 fps @ VGA resolution that the chipset touts I'm getting 10-15 fps and I might add that to me it looks like it's even less than that. Utterly unwatchable.
So ok, video playback and the camera was pretty awful. But as I said I mainly intended to use this for business so I didn't think much more of it.
So I tried surfing a bit on the web. I run a website and I wanted to check my bak account.
What I noticed was that as soon as I visited a "non-Mobile" website everything slowed down. Scrolling takes forever, and also simply rendering the page takes "too" long.
The mobile pages of my service provider works like a charm, but that's a no brainer seeing as they are meant to work on everything from the cheapest 50 dollar phones and up.
Then came the weekend. I was off to some friends that live out in the country. I had to go there by train.
So "hey, great time to load it up with some games".
Some of the games I've heard of was legend of steel and call of duty 2.
Well call of duty 2 was just as mess, with no open gl support.
legend works pretty well unless you actually try to play the game. As soon as the stylus hits that screen everything start going in slow motion.
I resorted to playing bubble breaker and tetris for the trip.
By this time I was pretty annoyed since my 3 year old Sony Ericsson el cheapo 3G-phone gave me a much better gaming experience than this.
So then I resorted to emulators. I really wanted to try out some nice emulating but again, performance was too low.
I didn't expect the TyTN II to be a Playstation Portable challenger but I didn't expect it to be just a typing machine with a calendar attached to it either.
I found this forum and surely enough I found out about the lack of drivers and everything suddenly made sense.
And the thing that bugs me the most about this is that the drivers are readily available to HTC, they just choose not to provide them to us.
So personally I'm a bit pissed off and I surely won't consider HTC a first hand alternative the next time I go shopping for a new PDA phone.
/Scincerele signed "Business users who expected more"
there you go (actually a true story even though a made it cheesy on purpose. )
oh yeah, PS I'm also pretty irritated by the lag that you get when you put the phone in landscape mode or vice versa. And the slight lag that happens when you start programs (you can actually see how the device renders in approx 10-20 lines at a time) it's not a deal breaker but I certainly expected more, especially since I've used similar phones using both pal, symbian and windows mobile and other OSes (even really cheap ones) that don't exhibit the same symptoms.
Still it's only a minor gripe...
The page you shown doesn't prove anything, it is contains for too less content. Try open forum.xda-developers.com you'll see the huge lag...
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As the video seems to be really low res (QVGA at most) it should work, (we don't know about the bitrate but I'm assuming it's fairly low too).
Most of us who are complaining want a seamless experience. Ie we want to watch the regular videos we want on our computers on our mobile device.
IE scrolling seems nice enough, that seems to differ a bit between ROMs.
I can just share my experience from strart to "finish":
I read up on what device to get. Kaiser was very much hyped at the time. I took the time to read their webpage where they claim that the phone is "more powerful than any other mobile communicator". The same text says that the device is equally good for business and pleasure. It also reccomends using it for gaming:
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm
"More powerful than any mobile communications device you've seen before"
"perfectly for reading and creating e-mails, using applications, or even just playing games."
"Always ready for business - and pleasure"
I also took the time to check out the MSM7200 processor and what that was all about.
Now my primary focus is business. I wanted Office Mobile and a nice contact manager etc. I have no gripes there.
The problem started showing up when I came to the gaming/pleaasure part.
I tried dragging and dropping some TV shows (700kbps 512x384 res) and the playback is prety lousy.
So I went out and bought CorePlayer for 25 bucks. First result was even worse. So then I figured out that I actually had to turn off the standard Windows Mobile rendering interface called DirectDraw. Seemed strange enough as this is THE standard interface for drawing video on a windows mobile device. With a lot of tweaking I got semi acceptable playback in the end.
A day later I started playing around with the camera. It took me about five seconds to realize that it was utterly flawed. Shutter speed (or rather the processing speed) makes the delay from the point where you click the button to where the picture is taken was so slow that none of my pictures came out right.
It's also exceedingly difficult to use the viewfinder seeing as it runs at less than 5 fps and with extreme blur.
Capturing video was also a downer. Instead of the 30 fps @ VGA resolution that the chipset touts I'm getting 10-15 fps and I might add that to me it looks like it's even less than that. Utterly unwatchable.
So ok, video playback and the camera was pretty awful. But as I said I mainly intended to use this for business so I didn't think much more of it.
Then came the weekend. I was off to some friends that live out in the country. I had to go there by train.
So "hey, great time to load it up with some games".
Some of the games I've heard of was legend of steel and call of duty 2.
Well call of duty 2 was just as mess, with no open gl support.
legend works pretty well unless you actually try to play the game. As soon as the stylus hits that screen everything start going in slow motion.
I resorted to playing bubble breaker and tetris for the trip.
By this time I was pretty annoyed since my 3 year old Sony Ericsson el cheapo 3G-phone gave me a much better gaming experience than this.
So then I resorted to emulators. I really wanted to try out some nice emulating but again, performance was too low.
I didn't expect the TyTN II to be a Playstation Portable challenger but I didn't expect it to be just a typing machine with a calendar attached to it either.
I found this forum and surely enough I found out about the lack of drivers and everything suddenly made sense.
And the thing that bugs me the most about this is that the drivers are readily available to HTC, they just choose not to provide them to us.
So personally I'm a bit pissed off and I surely won't consider HTC a first hand alternative the next time I go shopping for a new PDA phone.
/Scincerele signed "Business users who expected more"
there you go (actually a true story even though a made it cheesy on purpose. )
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What he said!!! This is why I left sprint. I got the Mogul, was advertised GPS when it came out. Well to this date, they are waiting for a "rom update".
woo, we really don't need to go into this because by token of that same logic:
Your computer is a business tool, not an entertainment device.
Your car is a business tool and necessity. You don't need a cd player or radio.
etc. etc.
Now why is this a big issue? Because it was false advertising. Because what we bought wasn't just a big mac and some fries. And because what we bought wasn't worth $15. What we bought was worth more than $500 US. What we bought was a device that could do everything and more. Like a car, you didn't just buy it for business, but for pleasure. And to falsely advertise and prey on the good faith of us consumers isn't just bad. It's criminal.
The point is, even if you consider that the TyTN II a business phone and don't care about it preforming way below it's possibilities, the other HTC devices based on the MSM7200 and MSM7500 chipsets, like the Touch Dual and Touch Cruise, which suffer from the same problems, are certainly meant for 'fun user', not 'business user'. And their PREDECESSORS did all of this fine.
So everything you said is still BS.
The youtube Video demonstrates the Kaiser PIE Scroll bug issue, not the Video driver issue btw. That bug was fixed here. Most cooked ROMs now incorporate the fix.
Yes this will be corrected on the site (the GDI video is way better for demonstration anyway, too bad it's not a comparison).. and the new support reports will be added. But if you ask me this is just a distraction. They know full well what the problem is, this is just to give the illusion they really didn't know, and are trying to figure it out, so they can say it really wasn't their fault. They're just acting out a play.
Really, the responce changing not 24 hours after the sites were launched (and they were informed of this, after all) and only 2 or 3 hours after a fairly large tech site frontpaged it? That is not a coincidence.
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
Scott_F said:
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
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You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
Scott_F said:
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
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I have a Kaiser which has the power to do both. Too bad it doesn't. By the way, since you seem to be such a huge fan of having multiple devices for doing multiple things, you should probably sell that Kaiser to get a flip phone, buy a PDA, get yourself a dedicated GPS receiver, and a Walkman radio, since having an all-in-one would be far too much integration for you.
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You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
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Awesome.
I bout my Tilt for 588 USD, totally ignoring my upgrade date, with the hopes that i would no longer need two devices. Until they fix the issue, making the device into what I thought I was buying, I will continue to be pissed about this.
this phone is not a graphics device? have you ever seen the datasheet of the MSM2700? THAT WAS THE REASON FOR I GOT MY KAISER!! (and the keyboard)
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You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
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Just because he has something made by Apple, doesn't mean it's time to talk ****. I personally don't like apple, but they have created some innovative features for the smart phone world.
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You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
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You dont need to insult people because they have different opinion on something.
Hi,
At work, we have about 15 Hermes (or SPV M3100) devices.
they are great and especially when we think about flashing them and working with application on it.
I was thinking to buy a TyTN II for my personal use, however as i do not know it so well (except was is on HTC web page), i would like to hear your experiences ?
if someone had also Hermes model before, it could be great to know comparison.
thx.
A.
If you are looking for a business device and don't want a PSP or DVD player in a phone...
Then this is the one...
ok, i've read those articles...
seems to be bad for HTC.
ok anyway i will not watch a movie on this PDA.
max, i will only read/write emails, use it as GPS tool, develop some applications, and for sure reflash ROM...
to take pictures or to use it for video conference is not the purpose...
but is it so bad for picture ?
i mean comparing to Hermes pda ?
thx.
the Camera is brilliant outdoors and in bright light. But low level lighting causes horribly low FPS, although saying that, if you take pictures in low level lighting, they are still quite clear, it's just difficult to take them becuase of the crap FPS on the viewfinder.
and what about the new WM7 ?
will it support it ?
I would imagine at some point one of the ROM chefs will bring out a WM7 ROM. They did with WM6 for the WM5 devices, but I have no idea how long that would be, or even if it would be possible.
From the write-ups I've seen, yes people go off about the video drivers, but those that use it for the purposes you (and I) want it for and have upgraded from the Hermes like the device. It has more memory and built in GPS. I came from the HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Orange never released a version I don't think) which is from the same era as the Hermes and the Tytn II is as good or better. I don't think you will regret the upgrade, but it's your money. PS it will play video's if you re-encode them to a smaller size / lower bitrate.
Ok, I just wanted to ask you: which one is a better upgrade TouchPro1 to TouchPro2 or X1 to X2? In my opinion, these two are not worhy to be called "major upgrades" but what do you think? You all know the specs I suppose.
7200A to rule them all )))
PS: A good upgrade will be for them to change the platform for lets say Snapdragon or at least Cortex A8, if we are about to throw like $600 for new SmartPhone.
Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Yes?? In WHAT way?
Interesting.
lol TP2 is a joke compared to the x1 farther more the x2....only feature that is dominant is the speakerphone thingy, to me its like the compass on the iphone 3gs, partially useless
have you guys seen the silver x2 in full bloom on phonearena.com?
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im starting to like it but i still wont buy unless my x1 passes away(which i hope it doesn't)
Looks quite awesome.
No matter if somebody likes X2 or not,
I think TP2 was a minor upgrade compared to X2 which,
offers some more things than it's predecessor.
the tp2 could barely stand up to the x1 (having a bigger screen that was better than the x1). the x2 is the best of the 4 phones but maybe (in my opinion) not enough to warrant a buy (at £500+ in the uk for a sim free handset) if u already own a x1. true a tp2 is better than a tp but if u are going to buy a phone from the 4, the x2 is the best of the bunch by some distance.
I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
The only true reasons X1 is better:
3.5 mm Headphone Jack
LED Camera Flash
LED Notification
Frontal D-Pad
Looks Way Better than TP2
Optical Joystick that makes scrolling so much easier than with the stylus
The other "subjective" reasons:
Panels are better than Touch Flo 3D
Touch Flo 3D is better than Panels
Similar Traits:
CPU and RAM and ROM
Internal Battery
On the other hand TP2 has:
Bigger Screen
Louder Speakers
Better Speakers
Call Muting
Tilting Screen
Accelerometer
Keyboard and Number Row with Arrow Keys and Ctrl Functionality
FN and CAP Indicators
Zooming Bar
Anyway, if HTC combines both of the Pro's from both devices and atleast a 800 MHz CPU, I would buy it for sure.
Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
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I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
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its not that i dislike the tp2 but that its almost the same phone as the x1 and was released 6 months after with very few extras and it does not look as good and has some things missing that the x1 has (3.5mm jack etc). i also dont like touchflo but thats only my opinion.
but compared to the x2, the tp2 has nothing that the x2 does not have and the x2 has lots of stuff better (3.5mm jack, 8.1mp camera).
so if you were to buy one of the 4 handsets (and did not own and of the above, maybe if u owned tp1) the x2 would be the best handset by some distance.
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Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
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im not saying the samsung omnia pro will be bad but i have never had a good samsung phone (tested about 4 different ones including the tocco ultra).
TP2 was a downgrade, so X2 is more of an upgrade to the X1, compared to TP2 and TP.
Now to the OT stuff lol:
- yeah, if someone combined the X1 and the TP2, it would the greatest phone ever.
- lol @ Omnia Pro. It is good, but not good enough to be mentioned in the same thread as these devices. Plus, I have had only bad experiences with Samsung devices previously.
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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Well, I can add more cons, byt let me tackle those pros lol.
1 - Anything more than 5mpx is for pro photographers only. You will not notice the difference between 5 or 8mpx. It comes down to the hardware. A good 3mpx camera can shoot better pics than a crappy 8mpx.
2 - Good. I would prefer more, but that's not the point.
3 - Gimmick. I always keep it off on every phone that I had. No use at all for it. Rotates the screen when you DON'T want it too lol. The games are a pathetic notion, because when you turn or swivel, you loose eyesight of the screen, or are forced to tilt your head haha.
4 - We will get that for the X1.
5 - Yup.
6 - I'll reserve judgement for now.
To sum it up. We get the same device with a makeover (looks uglier lmao), they take stuff out (radio) and give us two minor upgrades - 2 inches of screen (who will notice this?) and TV-out (1 out of 20 people uses it twice per year).
I'm on the verge of calling this a downgrade rofl...
Ganondolf said:
1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
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1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
hyellow said:
SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
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I wish you staying happy TP2 user!
No problem. My Xperia basically is great and I read many contrary opinions.
orelsi said:
1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
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1. may be a gimmick but its still there and works (the guy said that it was disabled, but its not).
2. most people think the x1 is not accelerated but it is and the x2 more so.
3. i prefer the x1 too but like anything in life people have there opinions (like yours with iphones)
4 it may be a cheaper design but i would rather it be make from plastic if i have good constant signal (at the mo my x1 looses signal every time u go to text what is a piss take).
5. i suppose it depends if u really want a radio or not.
also your point about the 8mp camera is true but i have heard the sensor on the x2 is like the one on the top cybershot phone (C05 i think its called), they did not put there 12mp sensor in what is probably because its not as good as the 8mp sensor. i dont think anyone could complain about having a better camera even if u dont need it.
hyellow said:
But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did
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did they??????
x1 - x2 = same cpu, same ram, better camera.
3g - 3gs = doubled ram, new cortex A-8 cpu (not only running 200mhz faster but the cpu itself is in a different league) better camera.
if u dont know these simple facts its hard to take your opinion seriously.
Well I'll happy of having 8mpx camera on my device.