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Kaiser too bad for my usage of it ...

Hello,
I wrote many posts about my disapointment on the Kaiser performances, but this one will surely be the last one, I'm gonna sell my Kaiser.
At first, I thought I had to just get used to it, but after about 20 days of use, I definitly just CANNOT get use to it !
It may be a good device for phone, email, GPS, all kind of serious work; but about the entertainment, it is a bad device from my point of view :
- it can't play VGA videos with a good frame rate : we all know the driver "not existing" problem. But when you pay the high price for this device, you also pay for the Qualcomm processor, wich in the case of the Kaiser does not give you all it should !!!
Also I noticed that displaying streaming videos from the web was slower than on my old HTC Universal (wich is one of the slower HTC machine about displaying videos because it is a VGA device with no hardware accelerator).
- games and emulators run slower than on my HTC Prophet device (wich is overclocked at 240 Mhz where my Kaiser runs at 380 Mhz !) : it's for real, I just tested again many games and emulators and the frame rate is better on the HTC Prophet.
- the pad isn't good for gaming (because of its shape) : the horizontal size of it is too big compared to the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't leave your finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ... Also, in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard.
The buttons around the pad are too small. Many times, when playing, I press two buttons at the same time instead of just one.
From my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
To try to improve the performances, I tried many tweaks given by you guys on this forum (thanks for that), it worked for some things but only partially, unfortunatly not enough to make me think that my Kaiser has a decent speed.
I know the Kaiser is not a gaming machine, but it is hard to accept these performances problems when you know that most of the other HTC machines, with lower prices, run faster !!! It is really a shame that HTC didn't make any driver to just use the power of the Qualcomm processor, but they let us pay for it !!!
Along with these performances problems, I'm also disapointed about the overall finish quality of this device :
- the d-pad looseness : I hate to feel the buttons and the pad moving under my fingers.
- it's made of plastic, compared to my Prophet wich is made of metal, I feel the need to protect my Kaiser with a good cover, wich increase the size it takes in my pocket (where my Prophet just had no protection).
- the power on button is not in a good position : too close from the screen and not enough sticking, so many times I push the screen while pressing it, and I also need to always look at my Kaiser and search for the button to power it on or off. Someone in this forum gave a solution for that, where we put 3D paint on the button, but seriously, doing that on a device of this price, it's a shame again !
- the weight : the Kaiser is about twice heavier than my Prophet (well, it is my feeling). But it is hard to blame HTC on this because the Kaiser has so many things inside, could they do better ? I'm not sure.
- the micro-sd door make me feel like it could break very easily.
- the keyboard : all keys does not give the same feeling when pressing them, so I always have to look at the screen while typing to be sure the key I pressed is really pressed or is not pressed twice. I thought I could get use to it, but after 20 days of use, I just say "no !". I tried the keyboard of the TYTN (the old one, the TYTN 1) of one of my friend, and it is really better ! Also the space bar gives two clicks when you press it (strange feeling) where the TYTN space bar gives only one (wich is better).
- the camera : I took a few pictures, and as on many pocketpc/phone, from my point of view the quality just make me think it's a gadget again, but about that I don't really care because I just don't need it (but again, I paid for it).
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
The only good part I like on the Kaiser is the GPS, it's working very well.
It may also be good as a phone, but I didn't use it yet so let's say it's good (everyone say so).
So I took the decision to sell it, and maybe wait for the "TYTN III"
But for the next one, I guess I'll wait more before buying it for other people to give a lot more opinions. Now I also have a 6GB micro-sd to sell (one week old !), I will lose money but that will make me feel happier !

How much do you want for thsi pile of trash?

dizzy33 said:
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
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Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.

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how much for the card!

I posted something similar yesterday and I have moved it here:
I went from the i-mate JASJAM (TyTN) to the TyTN II, and below are part of something I posted on another site:
New annoyances with TyTN II, issues I didn't have with the JASJAM:
1. Playing MP4 videos in PMP10; sound and video out of sync.
2. Occasional sluggishness (CPU not enough?).
3. Screen sometimes doesn't react to tapping if screen tapping sounds are enabled or if using other apps which gives sound feedback, like Bubble Breaker.
4. Poor quality Bluetooth audio for handsfree phone calls, similar to what you get with two tin cans and a string.
5. If you're right-handed and slide out the keyboard, then need to use the stylus, you have to perform some minor acrobatics to get it out from the left side. Be careful not to drop the phone!!!
6. A GPS device with a transmissive screen? HTC hopes that everyone will be using the GPS indoors? JASJAM's screen was transflective but probably because of the lack of GPS
7. Night mode in the camera can not be switched on or off manually. The camera will decide when night mode is required, and this is the case even when strong fluorescent light is available, making it impossible to use the camera hand-held indoors.
8. The camera takes all photos in portrait mode. You have to hack the registry to make it switch to landscape mode.
Of the above points, I hope the first four could be solved if HTC would ever release ROM updates.
And HTC: WTF is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"??!?! You're trying to deceive customers? Full speed (12Mbps) is USB 1.1!!! USB 2.0 gives High Speed, which is 480Mbps, which of course the TyTN II doesn't support.
To add something positive about the TyTN II:
- Keyboard is much nicer. It gives more feeling of quality than the cheap metal dome calculator keys the JASJAM had. The TyTN II's keyboard is probably the same, but they have managed to improve the "feel".
- A2DP! Using my SE DS970 headset, sound quality is very good. Not with PMP10 though. I'm using PocketMusic which gives something similar to SE's MegaBass.
- I love the case! Mocha leather feel and that ultra-soft velcro flap gives an almost naughty feeling to it
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- The 3MP camera is very good, although the 2MP in the JASJAM was also very good (with the right settings) and the increase in megapixels doesn't give the corresponding increase in photo quality. TyTN II photos are just a little better.
I could perhaps recommend the TyTN II to new users. But I would definitely not recommend upgrading from TyTN (JASJAM). Better buy a Bluetooth GPS, if this functionality is what you miss on the TyTN. If you need faster than 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, then choose another phone. Maybe the E90?

Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ

Deathace said:
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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About the DivX file reading, yes you can read them if you encoded it with pocketdivx, you're right. Actually, you can do that with any pocketpc on the market, even with the cheapest one. But my problem is that when you look at the Qualcomm capabilities, you see that it should read VGA videos, without the need to convert them (my good old Axim X50V could do that, and it is now about 4 years old !). It would be, from my point of view, a lot more interesting if we could directly put the divx file into the Kaiser without having to convert it to some format each time. As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
Like you said, maybe I should give more time to my Kaiser, maybe someone (of course not an HTC people) will program the drivers for us, but it's all "maybe", and if I don't want to lose much money on my Kaiser, the sooner I sell it, the better it is.
I would really like to ear someone saying "hey, a driver to use the Qualcomm capabilities will be out soon", I would then really give more time to my Kaiser, but for now the only thing we have is the petition, and I guess HTC will not listen to us. Why would they ? So many people are using it only for its professionnal use (phone/GPS/emails etc...), I think they will not listen to 2000 people (if we are !), when the device is sold to something like dozens of thousand people, and I may be far from the real count.
I would definitly prefere to keep it, but it does not fit all my needs unfortunatly.
I would like to advise future buyers of this device that it is not as perfect as we can read in the reviews. If it's for a strictly professional use, it may be OK, but for entertainment, my advise would be "buy something else !".

dizzy33 said:
As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
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This is the main reason that my next phone will not be a HTC phone. The obviously poor quality of the Video in a "premium" product means that when I am "able" to upgrade my handset, it wont be HTC.
Phones like the LG Viewty and even the iPhone put this pile-of-crap to shame not obly for video and audio, but in the case of the Viewty for Camera quality.
I gave up on using the camera on my Kaiser/VarioIII within a week. The usability of the camera is poor (to juddery)

Menneisyys said:
Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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Thanks a lot !

Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?

I will also sell Kaiser ... once I got a similiar replacement (probably Imate Ultimate 9502?).
I agree, for entertainment, Kaiser is the worst HTC product!

I for one like this better than the TYTN. For one thing, spring-loaded keyboard sold me to it. I hated how the TYTN keyboard gets loose after several uses. I must've replaced it 3-4 times under warranty. All of them turned out the same and when i finally dropped the phone due to mishandling caused by the looseness of the keyboard, that was it.... My only main gripe is the power button that i wished they somewhat elevated and what everyone is complaining about and that is the video driver support. But i'll give it time since it just came out less than a month or 2 ago. Then the GPS, 3mp camera are just little extras that made me want it some more.

Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas

the-uki said:
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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Agreed. But Kaiser has so more untaped potential it's really frustrating HTC/Qualcomm gimped their hardware support.
It's also very shortsighted as HTC will be using the qualcomm platform for many products to come, and the kaiser "botch", when it will reach enough exposure, will certainly dent their sales.

coincoinlapin said:
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it

it plays games?

the-uki said:
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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I'm sorry but I don't care about the fact that some other devices are worst. This does not make me like more my own device. The Kaiser problems are still there.

The main gripe with the Kaiser is speed. I hope that some day soon a clever bunny writes an Omap type app that'll overclock the Qualcomm. This, I'm sure, will make the device very usable.
If only I was the clever bunny.

sounds like you want a PSP rather than a phone

RPG0 said:
Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
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Do you already have specs for the first htc gphone??

Palm Treo Pro v.s. Kaiser

I have both of them here until I am able to sell the Tilt.
I am willing to take requests on features anyone wants to compare between the two and do some controlled tests.

1What are you wanting for the tilt?
2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????
I really like the flush screen.

That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..
Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey
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oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.

mrphatpat said:
1What are you wanting for the tilt?
2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????
I really like the flush screen.
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1. $300
2. It is fast and clean. The **** just works!
3. The flush screen is a little strange at first but I like it.

ChumleyEX said:
That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
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Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro
ChumleyEX said:
either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..
Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey
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Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"
I can do more specific tests if requested.
ChumleyEX said:
oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.
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Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.

I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..
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slovoflud said:
I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..
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Dirty!
The whole point for me IS windows mobile. Since I have the Tilt laying around though, I may give android a roll.

lewcamino said:
Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro
Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"
I can do more specific tests if requested.
Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.
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The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.

ChumleyEX said:
The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.
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Keep telling yourself that.
Maybe it works for you because you DON'T use;
1. Camera
2. Video
3. Keyboard
4. Internet
I suppose if I didn't use that stuff I too could just keep the Tilt
That said. I don't want to turn this into a Kaiser bashing thread (there are enough already)
I want real comparisons that people are interested in when shopping for a device to replace their current device.

To be honest you had no reason to start this thread...
I use the keyboard, internet and camera all the time, (well camera sometimes).. The kayboard is way better than the one from the treo I have before, the intenet works swimmingly on the tilt, and the camera is on a cell phone.
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stupid treo pro
Platform Microsoft® Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional Edition
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201 400MHz
Display 320x320 transflective color TFT flush touchscreen
Radio HSDPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM radio
Tri-band UMTS – 850MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz
Quad-band GSM – 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g with WPA, WPA2, and 801.1x authentication
GPS Built-in GPS
Wireless Technology Bluetooth® 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate; Infrared (IR)
Memory 256MB (100MB user available), 128MB RAM
Camera 2.0 megapixels with up to 8x digital zoom and video capture
Dimensions Length: 4.49", Width: 2.36", Depth: 0.53", Weight: 4.69 oz (omg 2.36" wide??? Finger cramp anyone)
THE TYTN 2/ Tilt
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200TM, 400MHz (we all know it has the 7201 also)
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6 Professional
Memory ROM: 256MB
RAM: 128MB SDRAM
Dimension 112 mm (L) X 59 mm (W) X 19 mm (T) (holy crap that means the keyboard is like 4 inches wide, not a crapy 2.36)
Weight 190g with battery
Display 2.8 inch, 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight
Network HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
Device Control Finger scrolling and panning
5-Way navigation control
Keyboard Slide-out QWERTY keyboard
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.0
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB and audio jack in one)
GPS antenna connector
Camera Main camera: 3 megapixel CMOS color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
If you take the back cover off, the camera is actually very nice, oh wait, is that 1 more megapixel then the treo.. aaaahh
So we are really looking at the treo having a square screen, a smaller keyboard, lower quality camera (spec wise) and everything else is the same.. I really don't know what your singing about buster..

Thats enough Chumley. Now leave this thread for people who are considering switching from the Tilt to the Treo Pro.

Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?

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Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?
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No. This is the appropriate forum as the thread is directed toward current Kaiser owners.
Please stay on topic. Anything you would like to see tested between the two Chumley?

ChumleyEX said:
That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
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Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.
Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.
The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.
Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).

NuShrike said:
Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.
Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.
The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.
Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).
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Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.

ChumleyEX said:
Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.
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That assumsion is incorrect (in context and spelling.) That is the old definition. Clearly you don't like change because your stuck on your Kaiser as the best device ever.
However, if you were paying any attention to the windows mobile world you would have noticed that with the introduction of windows mobile 6.1 the definition of touch/non touch was denoted by 6.1 professional/6.1 standard.
Now please stop getting off topic. If you can't help it then do not post in this thread again.

Just passing through gentlemen...I just wanna ask lewcamino a few comparison questions....
1. How is the overall responsiveness on the touchscreen of the treo pro?
2. If you have TCPMP (latest build), how does the treo pro score on it's benchmark?
Thanks!!!

I was also thinking of switching my tilt for a treo pro too. That said,
1. Does browsing on a smaller screen bother you, I'd think on a screen substantially smaller it would get annoying?
2. I actually like the keyboard on the tilt, but I want a keyboard I could comfortably type using one hand, is this possible on the treo pro?
3. Responsiveness of touch screen, I hate the touchscreen on my tilt.
4. Have you tried the gps? I feel like its the strongest point of my tilt.
5. Would love to see a camera comparison.
I know some of these concerns are primarily objective, but i'd still like to get your opinion.

why compare the two, other than both being touchscreens with WM 6.x and querty pads, they are not in the same league... why downgrade your screensize, keyboard size and camera?

The phone I have is an HTC Kaiser.
I think the Treo Pro has two main advantages:
1) Transreflective display. I think HTC really screwed up putting a normal TFT in most of the Kaisers, display performance is poor outdoors.
2) More resolution - the square display is pretty nice.
3) More stylish & less bulky. I think Palm know about good aesthetics.
It's not enough for me to switch from the Kaiser I have now, but I think I'd probably have gone for the Treo Pro just for the outdoor-suited transreflective display (not bothered about the camera, I have a proper one! )

Touch HD vs. Diamond 2

I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.

Bellers said:
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
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You are asking the impossible. Nobody from here can pick a device for you...
Try here ...
K

If you want an official upgrade to Winmo 6.5, and potentially Winmo 7, go for the TD2. Microsoft are christening 6.5 and beyond as "windows phone" rather than "windows mobile" and have specified that windows phones must have a flag button (and presumably other hardware stuff). Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee, but it's looking like the Touch HD will not get any official upgrades. There's always the unofficial ROMs on here, of course, but personally I like to keep to official ROMs for the phone I use for running my business.
Just a thought.

Jim Coleman said:
Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee.
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Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.

andyturner said:
Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.

Jim Coleman said:
It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Man I feel sucky already.....

Haha! Fair enough, I stand corrected, looks like a good excuse for a new phone an a year or so then :O)

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Did you even read the whole blog post? Here are a few snippets you forgot to mention.
Blog title
Could this be the hardware spec for Microsoft's Pink phone?
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First up: A list of what may or may not be the final specs for the Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1. Chassis 1 seems to be the the heart of the rumored “Pink” Microsoft phone and possibly other Windows Mobile 7 phones made by Microsoft partners.
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Some caveats about this list: Microsoft officials won’t talk publicly about Pink or Windows Mobile 7 (and only selectively about Windows Mobile 6.5) at this point. This information also is at least a few months old and may have changed a bit.
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And then the information you posted. So number 1 its not official, and number 2 it may not even be talking about minimum specs for WM7 but new hardware from Microsoft themselves. In saying all that its extremely unlikely that an official upgrade to WM7 will ever appear for Current phones, or even upcoming ones like the Touch Pro 2, purely because by the time WM7 launches they will be too old.

Haha again! Rumour quoted as truth eh!
Truth is, I'd love a Microsoft phone, at least if there were any probs it'd be all Microsoft's fault - none of this manufacturer-blames-os-maker-and-vice-versa crap!

All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review

I had a HD and lost it two weeks ago. I had it for 6 month and just watched one houre movie at that time. When I bought a new phone I had both of them in my hands and played around to see the difference. First the d2 is quicker and runs smoother. Not even that, the upgrade had added some good functionality in the contacts tab. I really like that you can see all emails and sms you sent or received from a contact. On my HD I used iContact, but dont need that anymore.
The size is also positive. It feels more like a phone than the HD. Feels right in the hand.
The bad part is the loss of the 3,5mm. I had to buy a usb->3.5mm converter and that is big and clumsy. Not good at al. My other concern is that I cant reach thumbcal from a appointment on the today tab.
If I lose my phon again I go for the d2 again. I am very very happy with it, and I was very happy with my old HD.

switched from HD to TD2
Kill_bill said:
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
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Hi,
I had the TouchHD for 5 months until I sold it to get the new TD2.
My actual reason was the size, the TD2 is really more like a phone now, whereas the HD was more like a PDA.
- the hardware is exactly the same (some other processor model I think, but exactly the same speed so no changes here)
- actually I liked the all-black design from the HD better, but the TD2 still looks very nice and high-class. The build quality is pretty much very high on both devices but the metal finish of the TD2 simulates better grade of quality. (I personally think that the TD2 is a little bit better built)
- the shipped software is a major improvment on the TD2. I had to install tons of apps and finally flash some really good ROMs (Dutty's Ship V3.3) to get a decent user interface. on the TD2 it's all here...even without the flashing.
- official winmo 6.5 update was very important to me (of yourse, there are cooked 6.5 roms for the touchHD but most of them are still very buggy and bear in mind that winmo 6.5 isn't officially released yet!)
- I love the new "start" key (which is the reason why the HD won't get an official update to 6.5). It makes it so much easier to operate your phone with one hand.
And the 4 hardware keys are now illuminated, which makes it a lot easier when it's dark. (and it's a cool looking white light!)
- I like the new speaker position (on the side instead of on the back). makes it easer to hear when your phone is on a bed/couch...
- the stylus isn't magnetically put into place any more, but I barely use it, so actually I don't care.
- The TD2 is 1mm thicker (not really noticeable)
- I was thrilled about the 3,5mm jack of the HD but I actually didn't use it at all. (there is nothing like an ipod) so it was no downgrade for me.
- I feared that typing on the slightly smaller screen would be harder on the TD2 but you just have to get used to it! So for me there are no issues with the smaller sized screen...not with browsing (I do a lot), not for videos, not for tomtom nor anything else. (the screen was really huge on the HD, maybe a little bit too big for my taste...like I said...more PDA than phone)
And because of the smaller screen size but the same resolution, the images look a little bit crisper in comparison.
- I think that the background illumination is slightly higher on the TD2. In my opinion it's a little bit better to read from in bright daylight.
- It's a new device: nice to have a change and six more months warranty!
I think, I covered all my impressions after having the TD2 for about 2 weeks now. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be happy to answer.
...also see Brandon's comparison video @pocketnow.com

Why are some Xperia owners so excited about the damn Samsung Omnia Pro?

Samsung Omnia Pro is freaking ugly. The keyboard design is worst than the X1. You don't have the D-Pad on the front-face even though you always praise the usefulness of having a D-Pad. You don't have panels.

Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me

forgot also
4 tv out

informatico said:
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Neither does Samsung make good Multimedia phones. There are no other companies prior to this.
Only Nokia was able to get it right, but now HTC and SE are catching up.
Samsung hasn't catched up get, they are third in line.

hih interesting you and me have different ratings for the phones ... but dont forget that samsung has done some of the best camera phones on the market.
and since samsung produces mp3 players cameras laptops etc they have really the technology to create multimedia phones. also sony ericsson has very good walkmans and camera phones. I didnt like nokia because it had no touchscreen until now ...

informatico said:
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Totally agree with this one. And from what I saw, I suppose the keyboard will be more comfortable than the X1's one(can't say for sure until I test it). The thing is, right now only Omnia Pro can be considered as a nice upgrade from X1, no other phone can come up with that. But X1 is good enough for me and I don't plan to upgrade it soon. But still if I was for an upgrade, the only real upgrade will be the Omnia Pro.

omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
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7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1) with dpad
8-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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No one reported build quality issues when Xperia was covered by the media.
How do you know if the Omnia Pro isn't also underclocked?
How come no one ever told me that the Xperia X1 was underclocked?
How come there are no tweaks/ways to overclock/clock the Xperia X1?
[p.s. i have a larger battery I can withstand the strain of power usage]
Are there anyways? Should I change my clockspeed on the X1 since I got a superb extended 3600 battery?

Hey guys you do realize that the AMOLED screen won't mean crap except for marginally improved battery life because Win-Mo can't display more than 65k colors? And for anybody saying that 65k colors is plenty put the Xperia next to an iPhone. The iPhone doesn't even have an AMOLED but it's colors pop and the screen looks bright and vibrant compared to the washed out colors on the Xperia.
But the other upgrades are enough for an upgrade over the Xperia. The camera on the Samsung is hopefully useful. Shutter lag is awful on the X1 even when I set focus to infinite and had it on the sports setting. I also tried the Touch Pro 2 Camera app and while it did seem to work better my pictures are still less than stellar.
And the bump in processor speed is more than welcome. Hopefully it'll make WM a little less laggy.

1 gig internal storage...
this is a slight plus aswell!
Should be enough for the important programs...
Multimedia is going onto Micro-SD Card.
I'm also looking forward to that phone!

what for compare with 2008 x1 with 2009 omnia pro?
omnia pro is better performance to x1, this is truth...
if not, what for samsung released "pro" which is can't compare with x1?
x1 will out in some other day...or instead by another phone.
not only phone, also notebook and other product...
this called evolution of technologies...

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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Perfectly stated by the Grizz, as always.
Is that a xenon flash?

I hadn't heard of the Omnia pro before this thread.
I can tell you that I really disliked the first Omnia - it's a gimmick girl phone like the iPhone.
This one, however -I really like! The features are looking awesome. It can indeed be seen as an upgraded version of the X1, as it has all the features, but some improved and more.
Ofcourse this is to be expected as it's never - doesn't change the fact that it's better.
I'll sure be looking out for this phone, gathering info. One thing I hate though: No XDA-dev support!

x2 baby
hey crazy k in da house omnia bag of balls x2 bro 8.1 mega pixel beat dat 6.5 windows mobile lads xperia x2 will kick assss on omnia

hi there,till now i didnt see any device that waws me :
but let s get to the facts:
1.i only upgrade to a snapdragon 22M triangle/sec or tegra device( even samsung 800 mhz is sweet with opengl 1.1 and 2 support weak graphic 4 M triangle/sec ).
2.keyboard and dpad its important for me as i dont want all the time to touch the screen.
3.what the hell is wrong with companies ,SE,HTC,Samsung WHERE is the stereo speakers (they call them multimedia device hmmmm).
4.good support (hope xda developers extend to cover more devices other then HTC)

Actually i didnt know how important the Dpad was until i got nokia n97 .... it has no dpad and is a paaaaaain not to talk about prehistorical symbian UI ....
hmmm ... xperia x1 is not that bad at the moment ... any news more about x2 ... except the fotos all the specs are unconfirmed right ???

I am not . Xperia 4 all the way !!!

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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HaHa x1 totaly owned.
the low price will surly help. its even cheaper than the OmniaII (550 euro) that lacks keyboard
lets see how the omnia pro comares to the x2

No D-Pad? Pfff no thank you then. When will those people learn....

Good point about the lack of a d-pad (and the many customizable buttons), but from a specs standpoint, the Omnia Pro is otherwise better. I'd kill for a faster processor. A bigger screen and better camera would also be huge bonuses.

Xperia x2 delay

hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it

turnerhall said:
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
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You can't be serious!
SE delaying a release, shocking!!!
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but SE has NEVER released a device on time, EVER.

who the hell cares
honstly i dont know why sony should bother. i for one dont really care anymore if it ever gets released
they did not bother fixing the the biggest issue with the x1 (the extremely poor performance). they just added more performance sucking features like the winmo 6.5, new applications/customization and 8,1 camera and kept the same slow driverless QC7200 528mhz chipset] just to guarantee that it will lag even more than the X1. after seeing the HD2 performance and comparing it to every "fast" 6.5 rom on the x1. it becomes evident that anything less than snapdragon is just not worth it anymore on highh-end phones
and then there is the problem of ~700euro price. please SE spare us your crap. the omnia pro has been available for several months now and it has better specs (AMOLED 3.5 screen,800MHZ, compass, samsung build quality (not the unproven mobinovva quality) and its less than 400euros
and dont even get me started on the lack of XDA-devs support which is probably probably the reason why i haven't regretted buying the X1
if i were you, id just use the X1 untill a suitable replacement like the tpro3 (i dont think SE will ever release the x3 since i dont expect them to do well with the x2). if you cant wait that long just get the hd2 now. i did not miss the HW keyboard with that 4.3" capacitive screen

yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
I doubt that you will see any significant performance gains with any of the new WM devices from SE or HTC using the same MSM7200 ****. I plan on hanging onto my x1 another 5 months or so (or at least until the housing completely breaks) hoping something better rolls along, or I can get my hands on an X10.

1. who care when they can be ported to x1
2. what does this have to do with rom devolopment of xperia. if u wana post it, atleast do it in the right section....either xperia genereal or off-topic
cheers

I say this should be moved to xperia general subforum

Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.

their half hearted [email protected] entering the windows mobile market have failed miserably in my opinion. the X1 and x2 were delayed because of software (that no one really care about). almost all cooked roms have tf3d and most roms dont have any of SE unpracticle crap like the useless panels and the very untouch friendly interface.
i think sony may have a chance of not failing if they change the hardware to snapdragon but thats very unlikely because SE are simply not capable of doing such task at such short notice. i dont see the point of releasing x2 with the slow CPU even if they reduce the cost there is just not enough interest.

ipporek said:
Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
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Played with Satio at the mall today, it was not up to my expectation.

looks like sony ericssons gonna lose a lot
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino_pulled_out_from_uk_stores_just_after_satio-news-1286.php

matthewpapa said:
yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
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I disagree
May I ask: currently, which windows phone has the better camera of all ??
To me, and considering Rhodium's toyish 3.1 MegaPix camera, Diamond2/Topaz's bring-your-flishlite 5 MegaPix camera, and HD2's "viagra effect" 5 MegaPix camera, the X2's 8 megapixels camera alone is reason enough to upgrade from X1 to X2
Just my oppinons after 2 weeks using the X2 camera for a daily basis (my cybrshot is busy accumulating dust in my room)
PS: THIS FORUM NEEDS ACTIVE MODS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL SUB.
HEY WE DESERVE MODS TOO HERE @ HTC'S BASTARD SIBLING (kovsky) FORUMS !!

i will definitely buy the X2 if it is available now in local market ... and for lower price

Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..

sonyxperia2 said:
Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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i agree
for me as X1 user the X2 is an must-have.....
here my points why i want to have it:
1. CPU seems to have full power now and not throttled to 400MHz
2. camera (i would bet its the module from C905 so i expect great quality)
3. 3.2" display is absolute perfect size (big enough to use finger and not too big so i can reach the whole screen with one hand and thumb)
4. no dust-collecting edge on display
5. best battery lifetime of all WM devices like X1 before (with TP2 together strongest battery but smaller display)
6. stereo speaker with hopefully great sound quality (some people compared it with W995, Nokia 5800 ams Samsung i8910 (i also own the nokia and the samsung)
7. a much better keyboard than the X1 (but X1 keyboard was already very good for me)
8. Amazing, smooth animated tilewave panel i tested on my X1
9. panels are very useful for me (on the road, tilewave, WM Homescreen, SPB Mobile shell, Facebook i use very often) and damned fast now also on X1
10. the great continous support with 48h repair warranty
that are 10 reasons to by the X2 for me and these reasons are worth the 510€ in switzerland for me........
and to the "slow" CPU:
what do you expect from snapdragon???? only that start menu scrolling is smoother than with MSM7200????? damned guys think about it!!!! the only reason for snapdragon would be to play high res 3D games with iPhone graphics...... but when do you think such games will come????? the game developers have to spend more ressources in game developement like xtract which works perfectly with the 7200 hardware...... or what would you say if you have to buy a PC with a 1000€ CPU to play a game on PC doesn't support hardware accelleration????? and for alle other usages the X1 was already fast enough and if you use the Touch HD video converter from the Blackstone thread you can also watch 800x480 videos smooth on X1!!!!!
and a last thing:
the X2 is the inly actual device with this complete hardware bundle and qwerty keyboard and with SE quality on the market....... and these Omnia Pro ****???? i have the first omnia and its slower and more laggy than my 5800 nokia crap and the omnia 2????? i read some test reports and it is the same **** like the one before...... Samsung is too silly to make good wirking and useful software for its devices and SE does this much better almost on the 2nd run!!!!!
EDIT: ah sry for my bad english i'm from germany ;-)

I agree completely with Jerpelea and others who like the X2. I was thinking of going in for an HTC HD2 but am now not so sure. I need a keyboard and a good camera and enough real estate to read ebooks and browse the web comfortably. It seems the X2 will be able to do all these things well. As for Snapdragon, many reviews of the HTC HD2 have complained about the "lagging" and the terrible battery life. I guess it all boils down to what you want a device for.

in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december

sonyxperia2 said:
in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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hmm i talked to SE X2 support one our ago and they said the X2 is shipped to german sellers since middle of last week......
expansys switzerland and germany sais the date is today...... hmm pressing both thumbs.....